Same

Caley wasn't the champ tho? She became the champion by winning this fight. Was a very close fight but I felt like Tiffany did enough for the win, and if tiff was defending than it should have been on Caley to put more if a fight on her like you said.

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Agreed...

Cause significance is a factor and tiffanys punches were more significant than reeces weak ass knees that did nothing

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Hey were you watching the same fight that i was???? Because I agree with you 100%. So what fight was everyone else watching???

Lorenzo Luilli - van soest had some good combos and attacks but I thought she was largely ineffective. If van soest had fought her more aggressive style like she usually does, she would have won that fight

@Adolph Bidenkopt wow that blonde girl hardly ever makes any contact. The other girl clearly won the fight!

Really? I never heard one connect. Surely you mean Reece.

Solid strikes? LOL! Reece low & body kicks more solid than Tiffany's...

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It's bad to loose

MS MS that’s not Muay Thai

@Brian Landers You are right exactly, Firestream likely thinks the word "Boxing" does not apply to muay thai but many if not most will refer to the stand up fist striking aspect as boxing in its looser form. That's what it is just as much as it is for Mike Tyson as the idea is the same, to knock out the opponent directly or by TKO, but can also include feet and elbows. I don't quite get the judo and throwing aspect. In this fight there is none, no floor work but for example, Rena Kubota fights muay thai which includes floor fighting, throwing or rather take down and that is also in the ring. (Rena prefers stand up fighting but still competes in the floor fighting aspect). Can generally tell at the start by the different gloves worn in both styles. Hard to fight on the floor in boxing gloves. The fact that they wear and refer to them as Boxing gloves proves a point. Since all cage and ring fights other than straight forward boxing is referred to as MMA, Mixed Martial Arts, I don't know why Firestream says it is not muay thai without explanation.

She still got the worst of it and she was the one getting beaten up

I agree. Tiffany was hesitating too much. She does her best when she goes for it without fear. She was too cautious here.

Tiffany was cheated by the organization that sponsored this match up who advised the judges to give the decision to the other fighter. Tiffany completely out classed Caley who is not in the same league as Tiffany.

P LLP

Yea, plus Tiffany has way more sexy feet that that blonde 🚀👣

It wasn't a horrible decision but I also think tiff won that fight. Like you said, all the aussy had going was the clinch work and let's be honest that wasn't doing that much damage.

+Nikee Ttg. But it IS Muay Thai. It is NOT mma!

@@dunruden9720 yea that's exactly what he said *8yearslater*

XaeeD Yes she really is of Dutch ethnicity, that's her heritage.

XaeeD there is a difference between landing actual knee shots and those that she “landed”. Most of them were bouncing off her own arms......maybe you should watch the fight again. Tiffany is clearly the better fighter that’s why the Australian didn’t want to throw hands.

Most of those knees were not landed and those back of leg shots with the heel should not have been scored as knees

That's your opinion bruh I'm a fan of the more traditional style of Muay Thai,more of a Muay khao fighters is what I'm into...I just feel as though she's to "hoppy"

Tee Jay Did you really say that ? Really ??? LMAO tiffany would knock out Caley without thinking about it, but Tiffany always gives her oppoent respect due to their great abilities, but this doesnt mean she wont knock them out just the same. Tee Jay, dont be a hater be a lover.

😂😂😂 I'm lover and a fighter! But seriously Tiffany has a style that works for her and her frame since she's usually the smaller fighter it's a must she uses more footwork HOWEVER ME PERSONALLY don't find that style appealing,never said she wasn't good...and oh yea idk if you watched the fight but caley dominated her bruh -_-

That was a very long time ago. Tiffany was just starting out. Caley is old and now she is out of the game. Tiffany has a belt and is no longer a beginner. If they fought today it would be interesting but wouldn't last long. Caley just to over the hill. I did enjoy your post. Keep living in the past bro and hang on to it, if you really need to. Nuff Said !

+Bobby c just starting off...??? Really...??? This was for a title shot they don't give beginners title shots young man ESPECIALLY in Muay Thai,it's cool to be a fan just know your facts....

Exactly!

zach burridge - I agree. I don't know shit about Muay Thai and I gave Reece 4 rounds in this fight. She deserved that belt and she won.

Where is the traditional Muay Thai music? This is Muay Thai and not kickboxing. I mean they are allowed to clinch for more than just one knee. Look at that stomach at 31:28... she's had a kid! Crazy.

Someone who actually understands scoring right here

zach burridge u no shit by

TheRealSpoony if you think Tiffany won that fight , you obviously don’t know shit about Muay Thai

@@KMAAcademy2020 in Muay Thai if walk forward you eat 5 clean shots and don’t react, the opponent doesn’t get any credit 🤣. Whereas if you land one kick, and the opponent staggers, you’re winning . It’s complete garbage .

Nope.

Pangsta Actually she didn’t really land that many knees at all. Not sure what fight you were watching

@@LB-kr5ku waa waa waa the Aussie was to STRONG

@@LB-kr5ku waa waa waa would u like a tissue 😂

How old are you? You type like a snot nosed 8 year old.

Geoffrey Maloney Too strong! Not to strong. Once again your illiteracy comes shining through.

Doente

Lorena Fernandes Me desculpe, querida, sou mesmo, e prefiro ser um doente que "descasca" olhando duas lutadoras em ação do que ser um retardado que estupra uma criança inocente.

Got your point Winter. It's different than what I'm used to watching. You're correct. Good you pointed that out for others that don't know. I did...but some watching it that did NOT know the difference..they'd disagree strongly with the decision.

I agree, Tiffany won

2020Mastro it’s called real Muay Thai

@@j2dar04 So is the use of boxing. It's totally up to each fighter whether or not they want to get into clinching though it s very likely they will have to so learn the complete range.

Dutch?

Your a Wanker 😂

Dallas DautermanDallas what does being cute have to do with the fight??

That's what I was thinking. Most of those "scoring" knees weren't landing. They were hitting on the thigh not the point of the knee, tiffany was smothering her range very well. She should of won.

Tiffany was way out classed by the stronger Aussie 😁

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I'm a major fan of Tiffany's, and I agree. She lost this fight. When the last round started I was saying If Tiffany doesn't get with it she's going to lose this fight, and well, she didn't get with it. To me, she wasn't the fighter that I'm used to seeing. It was like she was holding back the entire fight.

dumps from the clinch don't "score" as such, they simply show domination in the clinch as part of the more holistic Thai judging system. It doesn't matter if both go down, the dominance is shown by whoever lands on top, even if that isn't the fighter who initiated the dump However, the comment "elbows score highest" almost made me laugh- elbows are same as punches, they only score if they show an effect. kicks and knees to the body score highest. But all techniques are also judged on effectiveness- a punch or elbow that visibly rocks the opponent scores more than a weak bodykickj

were good,,,,,

You look like you're 12 yrs old.

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This was BULLSHIT TIFFANY won I'm pissed

Effective means she's doing damage. I didn't see Caley affected by the strikes, and she was doing more with her kicks, grappling and throws. The crowd was all excited seeing a flurry of punches and jumping knees but they didn't seem to accomplish much. I disagree with you and I think the decision to was the correct one.

@@jacko4483 Really? Who kicked herself in the clench almost as much as she kicked her opponent, and who came out of the fight with a bloody nose? By 'damage', I score the fight 1-0 for van Soest.

@@jacko4483 I hate Thai style scoring. That’s the only reason why Tiffany lost.

Agreed! To be the Champ, you have to BEAT the Champ!

Yes. Challenger was clearly more experienced but the title holder was unflappable and surprisingly composed. Nothing astonishing in the win. Appeared Reece was surprised and the audience was obviously surprised. Kinda uncool to come out of retirement having had your big day and with such an unsure and limited future as champ while knocking about the new talent who was doing so well. Come back, shake things up, and retire again?

Scoring IS beating.

Some love when you cannot even get her name right !

Your right about the knees not landing or for that matter almost all her kicks as well. Do the judges give points if the kicks are deflected, or are the kicks supposed to actually connect with the body or head? Caley through kicks but almost all of them were deflected!

AdlockHungry yes just look it up

maybe your blind

@@jirijiri6355 no i just can see it better than you peri peri

@@markparry1174 if You watch it in same way like my name 😆😂🤣 then I agree with You..

Caley was the taller one right?? You do know that don't you?

Then, you, along with the judges, are smoking crack. No way did Reece win.

@Yooper Author only one way to settle that....fight