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Lionel Sanders Lactate Threshold Test
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Күн бұрынHello, everyone this video has no context or storyline. It's just straight raw footage from Lionel's lactate threshold test that I thought was interesting and wanted to share with you guys. I cut out most of the breaks to shorten the video. Sorry for the bad audio at times. I never expected to make this a video. - Talbot
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@hansfabiankoeger8657 4 жыл бұрын
Respect. Not everyone is willing to openly Show his test results, let alone the whole test uncut.
@JoshNishitani 4 жыл бұрын
there is no benefit to other competitors in seeing someone else's test results. All these numbers are individual and doesn't really mean much so far out
@hansfabiankoeger8657 4 жыл бұрын
@@JoshNishitani So giving competitors detailwd Information on your Level of Fitness doesnt helo them? They can just compare and figure how much slower/faszer theyre gonna ne on a bike. Its still some time to competition but theres a reason no one else does it.
@JoshNishitani 4 жыл бұрын
Hans Fabian Koeger comparing how an individual is able to produce and get rid of lactate is not beneficial. This is only useful for his coach and himself to see what training he can utilise to optimise results. Everyone knows Lionel is killer on the bike leg, what does this tell a competitor? Oh he produces 4.7 mmol at 430 Watts? What are they gonna do? Start training harder all of a sudden? Lactate is not an indicator of fitness on its own, so giving someone their lactate threshold holds no benefit, this isn’t like someone revealing a teams strategy or full training plan.
@rogerc23 4 жыл бұрын
@Hans Fabian Koeger. Can’t thank these guys enough. Great comment. Don’t listen to the bullies of course any information you pass on to your competitors can be used against you. Especially over an 180k ride.
@joaofreitas7612 4 жыл бұрын
The question here is not about lactate. The relevant data he shows is his race pace at 70.3 (around 360 watts according to what he said) and the race pace he used in Dissecting Kona (bike episode) when he reveals he did the IM in Kona last year at around 320 watts for the entire course! If that's not relevant I dont know what is. That and his HR data provides a lot of information for his rivals and anyone interested to analyse
@yannik7371 4 жыл бұрын
His HR while going all out is the same as mine during a warmup
@BakuPL 4 жыл бұрын
the same, hahaha
@rickaguirre8193 4 жыл бұрын
Same! Just insane how low his heart rate is.
@raphaeltiziani7476 4 жыл бұрын
Its my high zone 2 but in the end it says nothing. Just genetics. Important is the power :D
@jobbi925 4 жыл бұрын
heart rate is individual.one person might have 200-210 in max heart rate, others 180. I
@darinsteele7091 4 жыл бұрын
It's a good indication of how inshape his heart is in, how efficient it is at pumping blood. Most elite cyclists have lower heart rates like this at the power he's pushing, and often even lower than his.
@bred2k6 4 жыл бұрын
45:48 "Jesus Lionel" 😂👍
@seanmasseforreal 4 жыл бұрын
That was me! Highlight of my athletic career is now being on a Lionel Sanders video! Even if it is was my avatar.
@trialex6594 4 жыл бұрын
Idk what you mean by "boring video" Talbot, i think it's extremely interesting and once again, it amazes me how much information Lionel wants us to see! Great work Talbot and Lionel ofc ;)
@NovanP 4 жыл бұрын
Completely agree!
@sthi3396 4 жыл бұрын
That was a very interesting video. Much appreciated! Unbelievable numbers. More than 500 Watts with a HRmax of 150 in the end and only 6 mmol/l lactate. Well, I better quit triathlon, I guess.
@chrisodg 4 жыл бұрын
Boring? For athletes that are deep into training this is one of the best videos yet
@jamesbyrne181 4 жыл бұрын
The fact that a superhuman athlete like Lionel had never done a LT test before is mindblowing. #selfmade
@southwestlegends6912 4 жыл бұрын
Mind blowing for sure super raw
@hamzaa.8082 4 жыл бұрын
James Byrne not really.. it just means many of these tests are not the important..
@hannes9221 4 жыл бұрын
"I need you to last longer than 2 minutes 27" My gf every night..
@mochidomo 4 жыл бұрын
You last that long?
@christoph_wattever 4 жыл бұрын
Lionel doing professional work with a coach❤️
@christoph_wattever 4 жыл бұрын
@SEAL CYCLE it's his coach
@fundypaddlesurf 4 жыл бұрын
SEAL CYCLE He also coaches Cody Beals
@ladskius3359 4 жыл бұрын
Lionel is just a beast lol, it's hard to comprehend how easy he makes high wattage cycling look unless you've attempted it yourself.
@topsella83 4 жыл бұрын
LS has been such a great addition to the triathlon world. Thanks from the Cayman Islands.
@thetempoguy4397 4 жыл бұрын
2'30'' to recover from max. effort HR to resting HR IMPRESSIVE
@TheDomLouis 4 жыл бұрын
Not a boring video at all @Talbot . For those of us who love data and numbers, this is YT gold, coupled with out favourite sport. Also is fun to watch others suffer. Having done 2 lactate threshold tests before I sympathise with Lionel's feelings. Keep up the great work all concerned. Onwards and Upwards 💪🏽❗❗❗
@cosmin3565 4 жыл бұрын
I hope all these tests will be reflected in a No. 1 in Kona 2020!!
@jorgemorfin6232 4 жыл бұрын
@SEAL CYCLE how can you be so sure?
@jorgemorfin6232 4 жыл бұрын
@SEAL CYCLE I agree with you. Hopefully this year he'll stick with and listen to his coach. He really needs to learn to hold back and don't be burnt out in the most important day of the season. You too have a great day!
@andrew66769 4 жыл бұрын
Well, this all could've aged better.
@kellythompson3733 4 жыл бұрын
Very, vary far from boring....David is going to release Lionel's beast mode, and its going to be scary!
@-jan-162 4 жыл бұрын
Never changed from Pornhub to KZfaq that fast
@danielricci5059 4 жыл бұрын
probably the best triathlon specific video I've ever watched....probably,
@stu09 4 жыл бұрын
TC: “Lionels café legs are going for a dump in the middle of a session”. LS: “I usually run to the toilet so it’s technically active recovery”. Well played gentlemen, well played.
@ovechkin102 4 жыл бұрын
Wow that power is unreal! Pretty cool to see full effort no editing
@MegaMagicbeans 4 жыл бұрын
This is so interesting, fantastic to see all this theory being talked and talked about and being applied in the living room like normal people. Hats off for showing this, its moving the sport forward for everyone. Thankyou so so much.
@agostonsimon6822 4 жыл бұрын
Lionel is very humbe. He trust in his coach 100% otherwise he wouldn't do all these painful tests. Max HR 148 @ 510 Watt... promising numbers in February. He born for this. He has the best chance to win Hawaii in 2020. Last year break will paid off this year.
@MrOronuts 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it that this is so transparent and also natural to watch of LS. Inspiring!
@TriGator 4 жыл бұрын
Not boring at all, Talbot. This is great stuff. Watched the entire vid.
@quengmingmeow 4 жыл бұрын
Dude.....this is why I keep coming back to watch. There’s such a wide variety of things to digest with all the LS vids. There’s been lots of stuff for the “feelers”, and now a lot of stuff for the “thinkers. It will be interesting to see how many eyeballs this vid attracts. It was all great in my book.
@mickbuston3236 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating insight to the process - thanks for being so willing to share
@kerstentheuma460 4 жыл бұрын
Un human 🤦🏻♂️ that hr with that power is super amazing 🤤❤️
@bonn1771 4 жыл бұрын
this is an awesome video as it is not boring. as I think this will help LS out a lot and I learned a few things from it too!
@holstenedel1957 2 жыл бұрын
Im studying Sportscience so i was exited for this Video! But as i saw the execution of the Test my heart bled. That guy had little to no clue what he was doing, explained very bad, had no confidence and horrible equipment and technique... I really am Shocked. Otherwise a very interesting Video! id love to see more Science form you. If you need a real and good scientist, fly me in from Germany and you will get the best treatment i can give you for free haha
@mateusbittencourtmendes2684 4 жыл бұрын
It's insane how fast his HR drops
@nicholasewing3326 4 жыл бұрын
Without a doubt my favorite triathlon video on KZfaq.
@cristseaton4219 4 жыл бұрын
admittedly i scrolled from the prep and first of 6 mins to the last crushing all out, but this video was AMAZING
@gengar678 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely great video. Love it!!! Thanks Lionel and Talbot for bringing this to the viewers. First time I see a top athlete do that.
@EverythingIsPhotogenic 4 жыл бұрын
Heart rate is insane!!! Lionel is one special kind of athlete. Go Lionel!!!
@ohmy2542 4 жыл бұрын
I think that is what people want to see! I have the feeling that this is the way the pro sport is going to be shown everywhere soon.
@jamesd5241 4 жыл бұрын
The dude has over 13 million sweat points on zwift he hasnt spent! Lionel could be balling out with some new bikes in the virtual garage
@michaelkennedy9031 4 жыл бұрын
In level 1 he gets a canyon speedmax
@joaofreitas7612 4 жыл бұрын
Nice work! Fun to watch. Fell asleep last night watching, but was able to see the entire episode. Very interesting to watch your numbers, especially your incredibly low HR!!!! Your all out max HR is my high Zone 2... Congratulations on the atitude of revealing all this data. Respect!
@megamegamind6793 3 жыл бұрын
My heart rate was higher just watching... Well done Lionel !!
@mateusbittencourtmendes2684 4 жыл бұрын
The vídeos of this camp in kona are so good!! Congrats to everybody working on that!
@Albeerm711 4 жыл бұрын
Not boring! Thanks Lionel and Talbot!
@stevechadburn81 4 жыл бұрын
That is one low max HR... and massive numbers alongside it! Mine is well over 170bpm doing 500+ watts 😳. Massive kudos 👍
@simonsimon8213 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah massive numbers but the heart rate doesnt matter its individual
@stevechadburn81 4 жыл бұрын
Its Simon absolutely!
@williamwheelie4430 4 жыл бұрын
Ok. I watched it all - I found it really fascinating tbh - Great vid.
@RyanClaytonFilms 4 жыл бұрын
This was great!! Thanks for uploading the full video! Loved the feeling that we were there 👍
@trailnerror2887 4 жыл бұрын
I bet the earth moves when he does a effort that gets his HR north of 150.
@wesselengelbrecht7788 4 жыл бұрын
LMFAO
@ironmantooltime 4 жыл бұрын
@SEAL CYCLE paternal attachment issues?
@simonsimon8213 4 жыл бұрын
@@ironmantooltime no he is just speaking facts
@ironmantooltime 4 жыл бұрын
@@simonsimon8213 wanna hug?
@simonsimon8213 4 жыл бұрын
@@ironmantooltime no stop idolising him
@Yamaha_Bolt 4 жыл бұрын
Love the reference to American Flyers. If Lionel hasn’t seen the test he has to watch it.
@ironmantooltime 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos I ever watched Talbot 👍😎 My 30 second power is 550 watts and my hr will spike to 185 😂
@pablocastro1143 4 жыл бұрын
From my point of view as an amateur triathlete, I think we have seen the best form of several triathletes such as Frodeno, Kienle or Lange (there are more of course) who take many more years of training than Lionel. The impressive thing about this is that Lionel, with his training system done all by himself, without anyone's help (which in my opinion is not optimal since it is always good to rely on professionals who know more than us), has given them fight top triathletes. We haven't seen Lionel's true final form yet. I hope that with all this, we will see it.
@adelorme4468 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this way more than I should have! Thanks for sharing; it's motivating me to get going and train hard!
@dorothymankey9238 4 жыл бұрын
That was fascinating to watch! Thanks for sharing. My 5 year old watched the whole thing with me. Really interesting video.
@tctv15 4 жыл бұрын
This is awesome to watch the full experience. Thank you.
@lukecp 4 жыл бұрын
Nothing like slamming out a 7.8 W/kg workout.......absolutely bonkers!
@authorjohnwquinn 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing effort. Amazing heart rate at full power. Incredible to see.
@korg1501 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video!! Please Talbot, bring more of these "boring videos". And FOCUS!! ;-)
@hebrews11vs5 4 жыл бұрын
This was far from boring. Very nice power numbers!
@werk1ng 4 жыл бұрын
THIS IS PURE EPIC!!!!! GOBSMACKED NUMBERS ALL ROUND!!!
@nfkb0 4 жыл бұрын
How man ✊🏻 riding these intervals with you on my turbo was awesome !! Well I am at 140 bpm at 3 w/kg when you are at 140 @ 6 w/kg
@bryguenther 4 жыл бұрын
Well I can attest that LT tests are miserable, I always loved it when they were done... That's a terrific video showing a real LT test.
@sabra31 4 жыл бұрын
Talbot that was awesome. Not boring at all. Quite the opposite. Thank you and Lionel for being so transparent. Helps us AG’ers think about structure and science and progression. Also pls tell Lionel not to blow his nose in his sweat towel.
@MatthewKoorey 4 жыл бұрын
Why is the testing being done riding on the basebar and not in the aero position? This will typically add 20w+/- to the power the athlete can put out, given the more open hip angle. Current fitness level considered, it's likely also a big contributor to why the 2h stints in the aerobars at Ironman/80% watts in Kona testing where of perceived effort that was seemingly more than that. I was in Kona at the time and experiencing the weather, and I know it wasn't that hot or humid, either.
@ryanwilliams2578 4 жыл бұрын
Matt Koorey I agree. Riding the aero position over the base bar, will impact power by 5-8% for the same HR. It makes the values in this test pretty much invalid.
@chrispyy606060606 4 жыл бұрын
Matt Koorey Depends on the athlete, how often they train in aero and their position setup. My current 20min test is higher in aero than the base bar.
@ryanwilliams2578 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Pippy wouldn’t you eliminate that margin of error, and test in the position you race in?
@chrispyy606060606 4 жыл бұрын
Ryan Williams Personally I would test in aero. (Adopt the position you are racing in) I was just saying that it’s not always the case that basebar position results in higher wattage compared to aero. Training full time in aero results in adaptation to that position. (I’m no pro but have done 360 for 20mins in aero at 78kg)
@MatthewKoorey 4 жыл бұрын
@@chrispyy606060606 that's interesting. How aggressive is your position?
@jorgemorfin6232 4 жыл бұрын
He does 240 watts to warm up. I can't hold that for more than 10 minutes hahahaha
@damon123jones 4 жыл бұрын
Sure you could
@damon123jones 4 жыл бұрын
Should be a ramp test ...kind of bizzare
@jorgemorfin6232 4 жыл бұрын
@@damon123jones I know someday I'll be able, I'll keep working on achieving my goals!
@LeGekkonidae 4 жыл бұрын
For the final time!!!! Maximum heart rate isn’t relevant to evaluate your potential/level! A high or low max HR doesn’t mean anything!
@yogipool 4 жыл бұрын
Sweet picture+picture POV vids Lionel 🏄♀️🧘♀️
@ulferiksson6986 4 жыл бұрын
I know it sounds weird but this boring video was hugely interesting and inspiring. Don't know why, but it was ;-) Just seeing the heartrate go down after stopping, wow! I'm heading out to the trainer now...
@VHelander 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!!! Ty team Lionel :D I know he does read, but hope you bring him the message!
@wesselengelbrecht7788 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone else almost start yelling through their screen for his max effort segment!!! LOL
@hananberger4372 4 жыл бұрын
I did, lmao
@EJPalmer1 4 жыл бұрын
There you are on Zwift, riding strong and feeling good about yourself, then here comes L at 400 watts and blows your doors off. FFFUUU.....
@josephfelicejr.2420 3 жыл бұрын
Lots of deep breaths Lionel s
@anthonyjagielo9415 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Loved it Talbot!
@aounjose 4 жыл бұрын
This is super interesting, thanks!
@bobbycameron7400 4 жыл бұрын
He gets more ride ons in 6 minutes than I do in a month!
@greghaycox720 4 жыл бұрын
I liked S.Masse's comment on the final interval after he got passed standing still..."Jesus Lionel"
@johnnyb1897 4 жыл бұрын
I come across LS on Zwift and I completely geek out. ✌️🇨🇦✌️
@markmcfadden7428 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thx for sharing.
@MrChiptrix 4 жыл бұрын
47:39 Feeling after every FTP,, ramp-test or sprint. But those numbers... What a BEAST
@fundypaddlesurf 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Talbot, interesting video. I suffered through til the end.;)
@AdAd-tx6bb 4 жыл бұрын
So interesting ! Thanks you all for this content. Keep push Lionel! « Everything you got » at 42’50 😂
@Yamaha_Bolt 4 жыл бұрын
This is content that you can use for the real IRONMAN movie.
@travishackney709 4 жыл бұрын
I have American Flyers on DVD, love the Hell of the West race
@chrispyy606060606 4 жыл бұрын
This is awesome thanks for sharing this session.
@victorlwd 4 жыл бұрын
why the bloody hell am i screaming @ 47 min mark go lionel go fking gooo like a absolute mad man , my neigbhours must think im cray cray
@benji1681 4 жыл бұрын
Did his heart rate really not even top 150 in the flat out test?
@jobbi925 4 жыл бұрын
if he has a max heart rate of 160-170 thats high for him. would like to belive that he has a higher max heart rate for running
@zwtvchannel 4 жыл бұрын
Older the athlete the lower the number. It also depends on what his max HR is..
@williamwheelie4430 4 жыл бұрын
At 28:27 I wonder why it was significant if he had gatorade in it or not. Seemed interesting to hear what they were talking about.
@TalbotCoxMedia 4 жыл бұрын
William Shelby oh yeah I should of not cut that part. Sorry I was just trying to fast forward and make the video shorter. When doing a lactate test you can only drink water. Any sugar or carbs can alter the results. David was confirming it was water not Gatorade.
@toddmiller2239 4 жыл бұрын
That was very interesting. At 530 watts his bpm was 143. I couldn't even get 500 watts. Ever
@christoflorenz9059 4 жыл бұрын
most transparent dude in the tri circus...keep the shit real!
@neilcavill1884 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant insight... Could you do an update nutrition video please? What is David's position on Lionel's current and future nutrition plans?
@seulebrg 4 жыл бұрын
I love the insight you get, the data transparency (although if there is no medical condition with Lionel, I don't buy the HR data), but I cannot stand the new coach. This pseudo scientific, pseudo precise (how exact do measurements need to be if your environment is inherently variable) approach and his attitude drive me up the wall. "Why do I need to be able to convert lactate efficiently?" "If you are able to do that, its a good thing"....Faaaaaantastic.
@kevinhanover5001 4 жыл бұрын
I'm with you, honestly think his HR monitor is not reading correctly as he's heaving at the end of his last maximal effort. also coach was asked why he gave him a 6 min warmup, such a simple question, and the answer was delayed, with "that's enough". seriously? 6 mins is enough? based on what?
@mini696 4 жыл бұрын
His ear lobe will be looking like a junkies elbow if this keeps up.
@bricembaumgardner 4 жыл бұрын
This is awesome content. This is why I subscribe.
@VanLifeTriathlon 4 жыл бұрын
Talbot bro you got to hit that aero power up when he’s rolling through the sprint on that 3’ effort
@gaiusvelleius 4 жыл бұрын
Somewhere out there Dan Lorang is laughing hard watching this stuff.
@leegmann2282 4 жыл бұрын
Extremely important data. It looks as if Lionel could benefit from interval training that expands the amount of lactate. This might explain why Lionel feels exhausted heading in to T2 and on to the run in Kona.
@MrAdamCoates 4 жыл бұрын
So the question we all want to now know is... Did the bottle have Gatorade in it?!
@junalberca361 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine he gets tapered before this workout.maybe his HR during all out will not exceed 140 at 500 watts. Just amazing LS agreed to share this kind of personal information
@johnvalerian8440 4 жыл бұрын
So his 135-148 hr must be zone 5.
@Bukoe 4 жыл бұрын
So this made me feel like a total noob again.. Hell I need to train more )
@jordanthe3072 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Lionel! Love all your content. What type of Lactate tester do you use?
@mitchellsteindler 4 жыл бұрын
I swear if I hear another Australian say the word "cadance" ever again I will collapse into a black hole
@tilburs 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers LOL I am from London!
@gabrielminville738 4 жыл бұрын
Should do more raw footage like this. No more bullshit
@heikkisanelma6625 4 жыл бұрын
Talbot, this is not boring at all! #DATADRIVEN that man is a beast of an athlete, i wish i had ounce of that ability :D
@piertechinc 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Lionel: You should be able to poke the guy back at least once!!
@TadyZaZ 4 жыл бұрын
How come his HR is 140 when he is doing ALL OUT? That's my easy pace HR, lol.
@ladskius3359 4 жыл бұрын
His stroke volume is extremely high due to having a very powerful heart. Cardiac output = stroke volume * heart rate. Newer endurance athletes do not have the stroke volume to sustain a lower heart rate, and so you will see a higher heart rate. With a very conditioned athlete, they do not need to maintain an extremely high heart (due to having a high stroke volume) rate to maintain adequate cardiac output and therefore have a lower heart rate.
@easyqcpass 4 жыл бұрын
@@ladskius3359 is a lower maximum HR an advantage against other athletes?
@ladskius3359 4 жыл бұрын
@@easyqcpass That's a good question. From my understanding it should theoretically be an advantage since more blood per stroke should result in increased perfusion of the active muscles. Not only does a higher stroke volume increase the amount of oxygen available for uptake, it can shuttle away waste (such as co2 and lactate) which should increase endurance performance. I'll do more research tho. It's been a while since I've done any research on the subject
@alexandergeorgesgretener 4 жыл бұрын
@@ladskius3359 that's only semi true... while he definitely has a VERY efficient heart - MaxHR is very much down to genetics!
@ladskius3359 4 жыл бұрын
@@alexandergeorgesgretener sure, but cardiac adaptations are real and can be observed in all levels of endurance athletes.
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