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Love Lionel Shriver. Thanks for this Peter.

These interviews are simply brilliant. Thank you Peter.

This channel is a breath of fresh air.

My literary heroine - and now my political heroine! Thank you Lionel.

Wonderful woman. Love her clear, calm describing the meaning of democracy, natural human aspiration and rights.

I haven't heard of Lionel Shriver before. She's a deep thinker. Just lately, watching interviews with intelligent, sensible anti-EU people like her, I've been feeling I am no longer alone. I live in London and no one I know in my circle, apart from me, supports Brexit. I'm looking forward to the next programme with Lionel. I'm still chuckling at two things she said 1) "Populism is democracy when you don't win" 2) "We're used to getting our own way, how dare you!" LOL.

How absolutely refreshing to listen to someone that actually thinks for themselves and how sad for that to now be so unusual....

Listen to this fantastically intelligent woman, you remainers. Oh, I forgot, you can't hear her.

remarkable woman,great interview.

She is spot on about hard and soft brexit, never mentioned once during the campaign

What a fascinating woman.

An entire generation of children and young adults have been utterly betrayed and continue to be lied to to this day.

These discussions are great....totally absent from MSM, please keep up the good work. We will not leave the EU this time, that is increasingly clear - but the important fight will be to keep the pathway to exit opened. I’m certain we will leave because the 17.4m will not go away and the great swindle carried out by the “establishment” will end up in the smashing of our two party political system. Let’s hope so. Buckle up for a long struggle.

Excellent interview. So refreshing.

When the banks were bailed out , that told me everything . I made preparations to avoid austerity outside the EU. My fellow Brexiteers are not so lucky. Educate yourself politically and financially.

Hope this channel gains some traction as it has some very good inciteful guests.

It was one month after the ref. result that the BBC began reporting soft/hard Brexit. Another month later, the BBC was then talking about a second ref. Notice the talk about business ''uncertainty'' has gone away. If we stay another year or two, does this mean ''uncertainty'' will continue and be ongoing?

Another superb video. Absolutely loving these interviews, keep up the good work.

Excellent channel, It's so refreshing to listen to people discuss issues freely without the stifling effect of political correctness. Thank you, more of this please.

I found myself agreeing with every word she said, which is rare for me. Hugely insightful, thanks!

Again very interesting points of view. Thank you.

Lionel really gets what's going on and is able to crystallise it in words. She's spot on. Brendan O'Neill is also able to articulate this establishment revolt against the people.

Excellent interview, Lionel is so interesting.

pleasure to listen to this interview, she speaks with measured insight, and straight forward logic, how refreshing.

Lionel Shriver is one of our adopted national treasures.

And nice that the guests have time to get their point across not being constantly interrupted like they are on BBC etc

I always thought remain was more driven by a desire to hobble any Conservative majority. What is now clear is that the Conservatives never meant to go through with Brexit either, so where do we, the majority, who are politically homeless now go?

If we had a reasonable, intelligent political culture, Lionel could have a great contribution to make in government. She is so clear, honest, realistic, brave.

This was great and she is great. Subscribed.

Remainers will thank us in the end - assuming we force the result of the referendum. We must not give up.

Another superb interview, Peter. What an intelligent, thoughtful lady. Keep up the good work; so pleased I subscribed.

As you introduced, Lionel is seen more and more on panel shows and news comment interviews and its nice to her her speak a whole sentence once asked a question without being interrupted or shouted down. Great interviews!

Practically the entire public sector in a nutshell.... "It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell.

Great interview, best new channel I’ve found in a while 👍

I voted Remain (somewhat reluctantly) and when Leave won I was pretty shell-shocked. But once I got over the shock I realise what a momentous result it really was. We'd been told that leaving was racist, fascist, a little Englander mentality going against the Brave New World of globalised capitalism and open borders, it was going to crush us economically, that it would be apocalyptic. The people voted out anyway. Freedom and self determination is always worth it. But I said then "they won't let it happen". Because to Remain is the choice of the elites, the bankers, the oligarchs and the metropolitan chattering classes, they are so self righteous in their 'wokeness' they can't conceive that ordinary people just want to be British and go their own way. They will not let it happen. Just like they didn't let it happen in France, Holland and Ireland. How dare we mess with their plans for one European government with massive power concentrated in even fewer hands!

Thanks, Lionel is one of my heroines!!

Did you invite Peter Hitchens on? I'd like to see that. Douglas Murray also.

For Mrs. Shriver: With regards to your comments about the NY Times, I think it is accurate to say that most Americans who can think have long since given up subscriptions to the NY Times. In fact, there are many of us who refer to that publication as "a former newspaper". I would suggest that you cease caring about what the NY Times says, or the Washington Post, and just about all US newspapers with the exception of the Wall Street Journal and the Investors' News Daily. They still have a lot of talent which is generally balanced. As for our view of Brexit, I think you would find that we are very sympathetic to the Leavers' points of view, and believe that the UK would do just fine under WTO rules.

The single market and the customs Union have been a disaster for the UK. The law will kick in now, as we legally left the EU 29th March 11.00pm. The next two weeks are just disgraceful theater., it's over.

I am an artist and free thinker so you're not alone ! The reaction of Leavers has much to do with indigence at being told 'no' followed by a massive virtue signaling opportunity and finally a collective refusal to acknowledge that reality is not 'theirs' to define. My work often explores ideas of cultural expression and identity, one project was so loved by the elites and Guardian readers that the Government Art Collection tried to aquire it. When I revealed the work was inspired by popular Patriotism and National Pride they recoiled, then laughed at my 'joke' and continued to extol its progressive virtues. There's no telling them ! Lol

I must get around to reading some of Lionel Shriver's books.....she seems to be a very astute observer of what's happening....

I've known about Lionel Shriver and enjoyed her writing for many years but judging by her name and short hair drawing in the Spectator I always thought 'she' was a 'he'. Oh my God, I really didn't know I was risking a visit from the thought police for misgendering her for so long!

Lionel is utterly brilliant as she reverses the roles and posits the situation if Remain had won. So very true. I love New Culture Forum. 10 out of 10.

For those of us who feel that our fellow countrymen have undergone some sort of mass hypnosis session to which we weren't invited, it is like stumbling upon a cooling oasis in the desert to hear someone like this who still actually thinks for themselves. I like to feel that my views too are my own - so it worries me slightly that I agree with every word she says!

I almost skip this episode. Now I am completely glad I watched it and I'll be sharing it with some friends. Great show!

This is a great channel

Good stuff.

I don't make marmalade, but I am in the mix. How people, like myself, can be spoken down to is unimaginable! I don't like the bourgeois concepts underlying the EU, I am pro-democracy! How can a democratic majority be dismissed as populist? Outrage is what I feel!

I asked a Remainer to admit that his adherence to the EU meant he didn't like democracy because the Eurocrats are not accountable to the public. His answer: I don't care, the EU has done good things. Tell that to the Greeks.

It’s the sheep syndrome, which exists amongst all groups of society. As Dostoevsky pointed out real individuals are extremely rare. Imagine what Orwell, Huxley, Hayek, von Mises, Shakespeare, Wittgenstein, Hesse, Goethe, Voltaire, Socrates, Schopenhauer, Nietsche, Kafka, Camus, and hundreds of others of the greatest individualist thinkers of all time would have thought about Brexit. Then you have your answer.

Great channel, great guests. Keep up the good work.

Membership of the EU is so important to remainers because they see it as a vehicle for their politics: another layer of bureaucracy that enshrines positive rights and the diversity cult. Membership of the EU makes it even harder to maintain the idea of negative liberty and oppose the concept of immigration as a moral good. It allows for the cultural leftism without allowing for the economic leftism that left wing Brexiteers believe in. They see it as a way to ensure we never move towards being a freer country, only a more "diverse and inclusive" one.

Very incisive view of the compliant youth. The two generations who have never been told no (or you lost in the case of Brexit) some from yesteryear still don’t comply, like Roger Daltrey, you see the entitlement shift with Geldof, just a decade or so between them. Gerrymandering works. On tax I have already shrunk my business taking smaller income but at the same time working less for the feckless who squat on my back. You want money you sweat and or take risks. , you don’t get me doing it for you

Lionel Shriver, another brilliant guest, who makes absolute sense. I love her views almost as much as I love her jacket. Both her political opinions and her sartorial elegance are massively impressive.

thank you peter great interviewer great quests .

Brilliant!

Lionel Shriver Is brilliant full stop

Populism is just a word for the rebellion against captured left wing institutions. Free speech is populist. Limited immigration is populist. National identity is populist. Left wing populists have institutional support, so the label seems to be used in a less derogatory manner: "The left wing populist government is enacting popular policies to help the people; the right wing populist government is enacting the worst impulses of the revolting peasants".

just found your channel its brilliant, very good discussion with smart lady

Great guest

This channel is so refreshing. This is what I want to see on a sunday morning on the BBC.

Love this channel

I like very much how well you listen to your guests. Very respectful interviewing is not common enough.

Brilliant interview with Lionel Shriver. I knew there was a reason why I've read and enjoyed all her books.

Lionel Shriver - a breath of fresh air after so much posturing and histrionics from remainers. It has occurred we've had endless dire economic forecasts from the so-called experts if we leave the EU but silence on future economic projections if we stay. Deutsche Bank is heading into free fall but we hear nothing about the dire state of the EU's economy and the fact that if we stay the EU may take us down with them.

I have felt over a number of years my life to be trapped in an amalgamation of films such as, The Body Snatchers, Terminator, Ground Hogg Day and television series such as The Prisoner. Finding this youtube channel made me feel quite emotional in a good way, like the film Random Harvest. Keep up the good work

Simply wonderful interview. I have watched it twice now and can really relate to what she is saying. more people need to watch and think about her views. very smart and thought provoking.

Lionel Shriver, what a fine mind she has, pointing out what should be the obvious to Parliament and the media, but I suppose they don't have the intellect or cognitive ability as Lionel. Enjoy watching her on Question time and my mother has read a number of her books, she has a good and insightful knowledge of the economic and financial world and some of her fictional writings could be end up being prophetic an example "the consequences of the Western fiat currency based financial systems", clever clever woman!

Wonderful interviews, Peter. Actually, they’re conversations, which make these programs as intelligent and entertaining as they are. I’ve seen two of them so far - the Lionel Shriver, of course, and your talk with Rod Liddell.

Strong, brave woman of clear thinking and honesty. Love Lionel’s books - she seems to capture the possible future dystopia if we continue on this course.

Lionel speaks with great clarity and pragmatism. She raises some great points which I had thought, but not yet admitted to myself. Thanks for the insight.

As always, a real encouragement, to hear balanced and intelligent analysis. It is obviously going to get a whole lot worse, before it gets better, but we have to persist with following through on our belief and the result of the referendum and honour what are the people have decided. Incidentally, the choice of colours for your cushions and the background is, slightly, unfortunate!…..

What a wonderful channel! I look forward to more.

"We are used to getting our way .......how dare you !" .......that is exactly what the reaction and the problem is. Well said, Ms Shriver

Gosh, what a bloody good channel! So refreshing for the interviewer to let the interviewee speak.

Only just come across this talk show.Wow absolutely fantastic content .Well done.Please carry on.It is just so refreshing.Thank you so so much.

Goodness me, such an interesting conversation. Loved her 'Brexit reversal' analysis near the beginning, how the Remainers would be feeling and reacting if the vote had gone exactly the other way but a 'Leave' majority MP's in the HoC was trying to ram through leaving the EU, regardless. More of the same or similar conversations, please, with people who can actually think.

She's brilliant! You go girl 💗🇬🇧

Great lady.

PLEASE interview this great articulate and intelligent lady again, an update on the anti democratic MPs behaviour to stop our BREXIT.

Always enjoy listening to Lionel

The more I watch your channel, Peter Whittle, the more highly I think of you. You are, in your role, an excellent interviewer and thinker.

Outstanding!

Love Lionel. Thierry Baudet next please. :)

Tuning in from Ireland. Excellent show. Great host and wonderful interviewees. I'm a fan, keep up the good work.

When something is labeled populist I listen to it with interest as I expect it to express some self evident truth. The TV media deliberate chooses inarticulate people to express ANY contrarian viewpoint.

Lionel is awesome, always!

There's an American saying: don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining! This is what Parliament and the media is doing. Concerning artists, they can hold unrealistic views because they don't suffer the consequences of their ideas: ordinary people actually have to suffer the consequences of crap thinking.

So happy to hear someone finally make this point about populism, i've been saying the same thing for years to friends (often remainers) who then look at me like i'm insane.

You weren't the only person who thought that even if we got a leave result, we would never be allowed to leave. Many people thought that. And we were right. Right and miserable

In all fairness, since the signing of the Lisbon treaty; our government actually signed away the last bastion of power that they had over to the EU. So they've not been governing us for over a decade now! What we're seeing is, in actuality, a reluctance to continue with the facade that they've maintained. From the treaty of Rome onwards, when read in chronological order; each treaty has secretly and incrementally dissolved more and more powers into the EU system, until we have the situation we find ourselves in; where the reality of this is about to come out? In normal circumstances, I feel that a British PM would tell the EU where to go and expose this prolonged act of treason; by our entire establishment! But, in an incredible instance of good fortune for the EU (a little too fortuitous perhaps? But we'll get to that later) we settled on Mrs. May. This was an aggregious and; will soon be seen as, unforgivable mistake by the conservative party; in choice of leadership, but not because she's a remainer? (Of only that was the extent of her unsuitability?) You see Mrs. May has a rather damning skeleton in her closet; that I'm still amazed no one is talking about, or to my knowledge has even stumbled upon? That being her husband Phillip May! Not only have several of the civil servants, Cabinet members and MP's that have quit in the past 2 years; expressed concern over Phillip May's involvement with the brexit process. All of which going as far to say, that Mr. May would scupper any headway made with Brexit they made. But his decision overruled anyone elses in the eyes of the PM. Then we have his involvement with the Miller's (everyone should remember Gina Miller) and their financial consulting firm that Gina and her husband ran (also why I was lead to Phillip May) which raised another red flag! But lastly, we have his involvement with Deutsche Bank, as the chair of their investment advisory committee (fairly innocuous job title you may think? Take it from me, it isn't!) and his sudden resignation a decade ago, right when the German Mortgage crisis came to light the first time; only to be quickly swept under the carpet until last year when it came up again? By now, I'm assuming; you're wondering, what's your point? Well add all these factors together, along with the factor of Phillip May's behaviour and something sinister begins to loom from the fog. (What follows is speculation, based on the facts described above) I feel that Phillip May, very likely could've caused Deutsche Bank's mortgage crisis! Doing a sort of Nick Leason-esque cock up (as it were) on a massive scale. This was covered up by the EU and sat on, until they got all their Christmases at once and Ther-aitor May became PM. Since that time the EU has been able to blackmail her, through her husband; effectively neutering her of any power she may've had? This would explain her completely bizarre decisions, her reluctance to shift on a deal; that she has failed to put through parliament, on 3 occasions now? It also explains her husband's erratic behaviour and her willingness to capitulate to him on every occasion. Like I said this is just a theory, but I really do think someone should be looking into Phillip May; as I feel his presence in cabinet meetings and his influence, should be brought into question?

More great work, Peter Whittle. Keep it up, sir!

I've enjoyed yet another and thanks

In any case the master will never tolerate the servant talking back. Since the time of the pyramids its always been about the management of the MENIAL WORKERS. The square mile of the money printers will decide what will happen to the leavers I don't make the rules it is what it is BE well

a girl after my own heart, love everything about her

The BBC World Service stated last night "UK MPs voted to avoid the chaos of a no-deal Brexit".

Nick Clegg said whilst debating Farage that ' when travelling round Europe you could upload your holiday pictures without incuring roaming mobile charges', something like that anyway. Another which floored me was a young audience member on a panel show leading up to the vote said that she would remain because of that point Clegg made..Laughable ..

Good to revisit this now. It turns out a lot of the "protesters" against Brexit were paid by various interests. After the People's Vote campaign went tits-up it all went incredibly quiet on social media compared to what it had been like.

Pleasing chat, great jacket!