Shaved Legs vs. Hairy Legs - Wind tunnel reveals all!

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Lionel Sanders

Lionel Sanders

13 күн бұрын

Do shaved legs really make a difference? We did a bunch of aero tests, and the results were pretty mind-blowing!
Here's what we tested:
Hairy Legs 🦵
Shaved Legs ✂️
Shaved Legs with Calf Sleeves 🧦
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@davisbest
@davisbest 11 күн бұрын
Oddly, I've been looking for about 13 watts on my day to day walking efficiency. Shaved immediately and can confirm that I reached my coffee pickup in .02 seconds faster.
@felixberezhnoy
@felixberezhnoy 10 күн бұрын
Rofl
@davidburch3863
@davidburch3863 3 күн бұрын
The practical benefits are infinite.
@888jucu
@888jucu 2 күн бұрын
That could be the difference between getting the last vanilla slice or not☝️
@downivorylane
@downivorylane 2 күн бұрын
You're missing the other half of the equation, you need to walk up to ~40km/h to really feel the gains of shaving. Then, you will experience the true time savings
@Nairezs
@Nairezs 9 күн бұрын
Should've wore the calve sleeves with hairy legs as well
@rememberyourlight816
@rememberyourlight816 5 күн бұрын
This is the test I really need
@wujekg
@wujekg 18 сағат бұрын
my first thought exactly, when he got off the bike for the first time and shave. guy from the wind tunnel should think bout that - shows you level of "scientificness" of this crew...
@dh5686
@dh5686 5 күн бұрын
5!!! More like 2or3 out of 10 on chewbacca scale 😂
@jeinhorn87
@jeinhorn87 4 күн бұрын
Yea totally... I think high level cyclists and swimmers are heavily biased since they're frequently surrounded by shaved legs/bodies
@lekobiashvili945
@lekobiashvili945 2 күн бұрын
Yep! It that was 5, then I should be 12🤣
@edgarbran9822
@edgarbran9822 Күн бұрын
Yeah... That's terrible news for me. If he saved 10 watts @40km/h being a 2 or 3, and I'm twice as hairy, that's an instant 5% gain for me. I guess I'll have to try!
@jackholloway272
@jackholloway272 Күн бұрын
@@edgarbran9822 I know the feeling, i reckon im three times as hairy, if i shaved i might not even need to peddle anymore haha
@oliverleibbrandt8067
@oliverleibbrandt8067 10 күн бұрын
Just Frodo sitting in on a wind tunnel session , just another day in the office
@michaelrogge9934
@michaelrogge9934 10 күн бұрын
Also think about the difference in a non-wetsuit swim. As far as I know, all Olympic male swimmers will be shaved down. My old swim coach used to use the analogy of dragging a branch with leaves thru a stream vs with the leaves removed.
@m4ximusprim3
@m4ximusprim3 2 күн бұрын
this is the funniest part to me. The resistance compounds with the density of the fluid, and to be real he's objectively one of the slowest swimmers amongst the guys he routinely finishes among,.It's framed as a bike decision, but he'll gain so much more in the water than on the bike by shaving for any swims which aren't full suit. It's crazy to me that he wasn't before.
@alexgrenke5513
@alexgrenke5513 11 күн бұрын
Frodo consulting on shave vs keep growing aspect:) hilarious
@kleinbuks
@kleinbuks 4 күн бұрын
The faster you go the greater the effect. I’m never holding 45km/h. Be great to repeat test at 30 and 35km/h
@choanlpoto
@choanlpoto 4 күн бұрын
40kmh with his cda is only 180w. If you can’t hold 180w go train harder before thinking marginal gains.
@kleinbuks
@kleinbuks 4 күн бұрын
Apparently you need 228 W at a CdA of 0.212 to travel 40 km/h. You need 313 W to go at 45km/ h which was the test speed. To reach those numbers I will have to go train harder.
@opliko
@opliko 3 күн бұрын
@@choanlpoto Don't be an elitist jerk. That is a crazy fast speed. I've been cycling going on 4 years minus the winters because of seasonal affective disorder, and my avg speed has never gone over 17mph/27kmh, but normally I'm more around 13mph/21kmh. Breaking 20mph/32kmh is a huge achievement
@theblackfluid
@theblackfluid 3 күн бұрын
Imagine going 30 km/h and getting 15 km/h headwinds. Should have the same effect.
@choanlpoto
@choanlpoto 3 күн бұрын
@@opliko I don't talk about speed but power. 180w is not a high power for any cyclist. And from his chart. With a good bike position you can hold 40kph with 180w
@megmikerodriguez6011
@megmikerodriguez6011 11 күн бұрын
And the apology to Erin....priceless! 🙏💗👊
@leegmann2282
@leegmann2282 11 күн бұрын
I immediately shaved my arms and legs after watching this video! 😆
@L-dw5sx
@L-dw5sx 11 күн бұрын
I’m now hairless from the eyebrows down 👍
@jparticle182
@jparticle182 9 күн бұрын
😂
@jokuheppu3920
@jokuheppu3920 8 күн бұрын
I don't think it matters that much when you're going 20 kmh.
@L-dw5sx
@L-dw5sx 8 күн бұрын
@@jokuheppu3920 no one goes 20kph even age groupers ride at 30-35 on the flats
@seanvonlost
@seanvonlost 8 күн бұрын
But do you even have a race?
@runbikerun8189
@runbikerun8189 10 күн бұрын
I was always under the impression the legs were shaved just in case of a crash, no hair to trap dirt and gravel in an open wound...Regardless, as a man of extremes I "undoubtedly" expect Lionel to shave his head and eye-brows before Mt. Tremblant!
@obsidianclorox
@obsidianclorox Күн бұрын
That is another reason why people shave legs! You're not completely wrong, it's also easier to treat your wounds if there's no hair all over the place
@whirving
@whirving 12 сағат бұрын
For me, a mountain bike racer on the West coast USA it was for wound care and poison oak treatment. Also it was easier to keep cool, I'm half hobbit. Never shaved my arms though.
@user-sh6su9rp4v
@user-sh6su9rp4v 10 күн бұрын
Brilliant Study! Well prepared and thought through with a control and comparison in a stable environment! Weldone Lionel!
@roryschmidt5776
@roryschmidt5776 Күн бұрын
One thing is it's not blind. The subject could definitely be subconsciously in a more aerodynamic position because they shaved. Kinda hard to correct for that sadly
@Hubertus-ko6yl
@Hubertus-ko6yl 5 күн бұрын
superbe vid thx Lionel.The results are impressive! - good luck this season and further.
@rskng
@rskng 10 күн бұрын
I was seriously thinking that Lionel, by now in his career, has already figured out what most amateurs know, but it turns out he still has stuff to discover. My god.
@bobbyiv9335
@bobbyiv9335 7 күн бұрын
Yeah honestly seems so weird that he thought it wouldn’t be faster.
@philipk4475
@philipk4475 4 күн бұрын
Doesn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer, to be honest. The results must be more dramatic for the swim
@benjaminwilson9193
@benjaminwilson9193 Күн бұрын
@@philipk4475 Problem with the swim data is how much a wetsuit or swim skin affects that - similar to the above comment, what is the effect on cycling with unshaved legs but aero socks? For swimming, does being shaved make a difference when wearing a wetsuit or other covering?
@MikeCx2
@MikeCx2 9 күн бұрын
Great vid… thanks for sharing the data!
@1bojanbojan
@1bojanbojan 10 күн бұрын
Great video as usual
@hernanhernandez3861
@hernanhernandez3861 Күн бұрын
I also believe that the shaved surfaces helps in heat dissipation. Also easier to apply sun screen in a more even, thinner application. I've been shaving since my racing days in the 1990s. I can tell the heat difference after only 2 weeks of growth.
@yesitis1395
@yesitis1395 11 күн бұрын
Went ahead and shaved my back and satchel just in case. Scheduled velodrome for Monday.
@billymans2259
@billymans2259 10 күн бұрын
Love that Jan is with you !!! So excited for U LS! PLEASE LISTEN to JAN !!!❤
@messi9991
@messi9991 3 күн бұрын
Great video!
@pjbeattie1
@pjbeattie1 8 күн бұрын
Haha!!!!! Love it!! Go Lionel!!!!
@Raceeverything
@Raceeverything 10 күн бұрын
competing at your level you need to be doing EVERYTHING!
@arthurogervais
@arthurogervais 4 күн бұрын
Haha, ditching the sugary ice-cream may also safe 13 watts.
@bryanlittle494
@bryanlittle494 11 күн бұрын
Jan cameo! See you in Tremblant Lionel!
@utuber221
@utuber221 10 күн бұрын
I thought they removed the full...is he doing the 1/2?
@Anders11J
@Anders11J 11 күн бұрын
Good to see Jan in this :)
@nimbra2
@nimbra2 11 күн бұрын
Wait what? When?
@iamtheonenonly250
@iamtheonenonly250 11 күн бұрын
@@nimbra2all the time, e.g. 0:50
@nimbra2
@nimbra2 8 күн бұрын
@@iamtheonenonly250 he’s every freaking where 🐐
@bobfoster687
@bobfoster687 4 күн бұрын
How does 13 watts feel? Get on the indoor trainer. Set ERG mode to a specific value. Pedal at that effort for a while. Without stopping, add 13 watts to the ERG mode. How’s it feel?
@bratb6191
@bratb6191 4 күн бұрын
Glad you found some more free speed. Quick question. How about changing out the Bonts to the Velovetta's or Giro Empires with laces (but with elastic lace replacements)?
@sambrown1779
@sambrown1779 10 күн бұрын
This search for aero is fantastic...but did you test a rear wheel for Kona??
@log_it8282
@log_it8282 4 күн бұрын
Should've tested the mullet in between!!!
@akdrn3624
@akdrn3624 10 күн бұрын
So funny and entertaining 😂
@joshuafoulds8107
@joshuafoulds8107 11 күн бұрын
I absolutely shaved for my last triathlon because of this wind test video
@2Calam
@2Calam 10 күн бұрын
Must have been a very quick turnaround between video and your event
@joshuafoulds8107
@joshuafoulds8107 10 күн бұрын
@@2Calam haha it was his first aero testing video a few weeks ago
@cyclingcolumbus
@cyclingcolumbus 6 күн бұрын
@@joshuafoulds8107 What do you mean it was uploaded 4 days ago??!! Are you a time traveller? 🤣
@joshuafoulds8107
@joshuafoulds8107 6 күн бұрын
@@cyclingcolumbus no, shaved arms and legs just made me that fast!
@cyclingcolumbus
@cyclingcolumbus 6 күн бұрын
@@joshuafoulds8107 Aha! Had he already mentioned it in one of his vlogs? Congrats for your triathlon!
@RealGood10
@RealGood10 10 күн бұрын
Ill just train more, thank you very much 😀
@JanGoh-jb5ge
@JanGoh-jb5ge 4 күн бұрын
Good to have a follow-up to the old Specialized test. Reproducible results!
@davidhadenham1983
@davidhadenham1983 10 күн бұрын
Shaved being faster has been known for decades! Like actually known not kinda sort of.
@philipk4475
@philipk4475 4 күн бұрын
Yeah it's astonishing a "top pro" such as sanders doesn't do this. It would be like insisting the aero bars do nothing, or refusing to wear a skinsuit or aero helmet because "it looks dorky"
@tasdrouille
@tasdrouille 11 күн бұрын
Welcome to the shaved drone club Lionel -Sam
@DavidFritzIII
@DavidFritzIII 9 күн бұрын
I'm hoping they do zero cause I don't really want to walk around with these on, great quote on calf sleeves!
@rubenvf9772
@rubenvf9772 8 күн бұрын
Welcome to the shaved side of the world Lionel.
@JohnStadnyk
@JohnStadnyk 10 күн бұрын
I would imagine the effects would be even more pronounced on the swim given the density of the medium you're moving through, though the speed is obviously slower.
@szymonmodelski149
@szymonmodelski149 7 күн бұрын
Lionel, do the same test with swimming! I did a test myself recently. On an easy swim (2min/100m) I literally shaved 4 sec per 100m by just shaving legs. Arms could shave another second I think. With your swim speed the effect could be more pronounced. More of a fun staff as you will be shaving from now on anyway😬
@bighammer3464
@bighammer3464 8 күн бұрын
I thought this was universal knowledge 😂 Lionel was behind the ball on this one
@jonathan9506
@jonathan9506 10 күн бұрын
I was with The Aerow yesterday and can highly recommend these guys. What an invest in facilities and technology for bike fitting and wind tunnel. Without a sponsor it can be expensive :-)
@adamgurule1458
@adamgurule1458 3 күн бұрын
I have never shaved my legs, I think it's for Sissy's but now I might try it, instead of pushing 300w, I can ride at 285 making riding fast easier. Only on race days though. Thanks homie!
@socopower
@socopower 2 күн бұрын
Missed the trick of shaving legs then test them shaving arms test again, to see difference between a full shave and just legs :) nicely done anyway
@danielmaclachlan5123
@danielmaclachlan5123 10 күн бұрын
Check out the video on the big shoe test .. the Bonts tested slowest
@carolannlussenden6156
@carolannlussenden6156 5 күн бұрын
Mama’s always right!! 😊
@cwd3bon
@cwd3bon 10 күн бұрын
Any weighting of shaving only legs vs arms & legs?
@sytsedijkstra
@sytsedijkstra 2 күн бұрын
What kind of rear seat single bottle holder is that?! Ps cool video!
@SamuelBlackMetalRider
@SamuelBlackMetalRider 10 күн бұрын
Bro’s toying with us with his Ben & Jerry’s Ice cream pot … like I train so much I can indulge real bad 😂
@DCassidy42
@DCassidy42 4 күн бұрын
What about facial hair?
@SimoneChiaretta
@SimoneChiaretta 4 күн бұрын
Would have the calf sleeves alone on top of unshaven legs bring the same benefit?
@ironman140.6
@ironman140.6 9 күн бұрын
NO LIMITS new title - THE HARD WAY -
@charles-olivierandre4905
@charles-olivierandre4905 7 күн бұрын
Is the graphic at 8:04 with all the modifications or just the shaved legs?
@biobauer8
@biobauer8 8 күн бұрын
is there also the calculation that you gain watts by having hair if youre getting pushed by the wind?
@christiangro8621
@christiangro8621 10 күн бұрын
Cmon cycling industry - give us aero covers for the whoop straps!
@caolanhogeweide6555
@caolanhogeweide6555 9 күн бұрын
I want to know if shaving other body parts makes a difference.
@maxw5229
@maxw5229 4 күн бұрын
But is hair supporting cooling of the body core temp?
@BigBeezyBtown
@BigBeezyBtown 4 күн бұрын
It does make putting sunscreen on easier
@CC-sj8hd
@CC-sj8hd 11 күн бұрын
Can we get a toenail maintenance video??
@bonn1771
@bonn1771 7 күн бұрын
good video
@joemoya9743
@joemoya9743 10 күн бұрын
Some tests have shown that hair stubble and not slick and clean shaven was even more aero.
@abbaethon
@abbaethon 11 күн бұрын
Don't forget the moustache, gentlemen
@h20s8804
@h20s8804 8 күн бұрын
I've never shaved arms... Legs always tho, but not really for aero. I always did it bc it just feels clean, and it is way easier to get clean after mtb rides, or certainly if I (god forbid) crash and have some road rash.
@SofiaPolyakova-pc6co
@SofiaPolyakova-pc6co 10 күн бұрын
Guys, you're rock! Your calf sleeves look so stylish. Recently I got mine too. Absolutely essential for any sportsman I think.
@robertroguszczak6401
@robertroguszczak6401 10 күн бұрын
Was that Jan... there ?
@theincredibledeus
@theincredibledeus 10 күн бұрын
I am so happy for you Lionel to find those gains and make u a faster triathlet!!! However, I am wondering why u didn‘t do such an analytical approach earlier? Don‘t get me wrong….but as a pro athlete u HAVE to do such stuff all the time. I think this approach also made Jan Frodeno the god that he was….he did not left any stone untouched.
@ZenEndurance
@ZenEndurance 10 күн бұрын
This just isn’t some stone. This is a huge factor and been known literally for decades. Just… so… wtf.
@tomkunich9401
@tomkunich9401 2 күн бұрын
I got a severe concussion and it took 2 years before I found a neurologist that understood how to treat this type of concussion. With proper medication it was like waking up. Though I seemed OK most of the time I would get a seizure at inappropriate times (generally when I was alone) and it would wipe my memory. After treatment, I started riding again and soon discovered that I was about a 9 on the Chewbaka scale. When I shaved the hair off of my legs, I was literally amazed at the difference in speed, especially into a headwind. While I don't think that hair on your arms would make much difference, it you're racing you absolutely have to shave your legs.
@user-qx4bp5rf3n
@user-qx4bp5rf3n 13 сағат бұрын
Hair on arms will make a big but reduced difference. The reason it is less is simply because legs are bigger. The arms are further forward, though, so they may have proportionally greater downstream effects with more hair.
@Southerncyclist
@Southerncyclist 9 күн бұрын
Every year about May, i shave my arms and legs. I can tell without a wind tunnel lol. I'm probably level 8 chuboka so its probably worth more than 13 watts for myself.
@musify8267
@musify8267 8 күн бұрын
Should be nice to see a lawn mower 5.0 ad pop up in this video 😂😂
@martintjader6154
@martintjader6154 8 күн бұрын
Took Lionel 2 weeks to finaly decide if it is worth it 🤣
@scottblack8735
@scottblack8735 11 күн бұрын
Jan!
@RandyRules
@RandyRules 4 күн бұрын
Great! Now do a video on which is faster - waxing vs shaving 😂
@liranlahavTRI
@liranlahavTRI 10 күн бұрын
Someone know why Jan be there?
@AaronPortman-vv5mb
@AaronPortman-vv5mb 10 күн бұрын
can someone help me understand the data? If i already race with calf sleeves, does that mean its still worth it because of the arms a little bit of the legs? Unsure if it's worth trying lol
@TyTy22_
@TyTy22_ 3 сағат бұрын
Would have liked to see the difference between just shaving legs and both arms/legs
@batbawls
@batbawls 2 күн бұрын
Can anyone tell me the wheel brand? thanks in advance
@manikantavoruganti5222
@manikantavoruganti5222 6 сағат бұрын
How is the front wheel spinning?
@Robizzle01
@Robizzle01 2 сағат бұрын
What road speed was being simulated? I’d love to hear the watts saved at 15, 30, and 45kph. Also, if slightly hairy arms and legs represent a 13 watt opportunity, what about different jersey materials and fit (skin tight vs relaxed)? Surely my torso contributes far more to wind resistance, right?
@wimvdputte
@wimvdputte 10 күн бұрын
The best part of this video was the last 30 sec. "You were right, D" 🤣🤣🤣. BTW, this year I'm 40 years into triathlon and I shave my legs every... every race, 40y long (and I'm still an average dude) 🤣🤣
@sicknorenson
@sicknorenson 4 күн бұрын
I felt that when he said “I hope this doesn’t make me faster, I don’t want to wear these” all the crazy stuff people wear nowadays even just to a group ride feels like overkill. I heard it’s fastest to have REALLY long leg and arm hair so I’ll keep going for that 😂
@Ivan_Nano
@Ivan_Nano 10 күн бұрын
You could’ve just watched GTN’s video on this!
@MasterAssassin123
@MasterAssassin123 9 күн бұрын
asking the real questions
@FootyMcKurfs
@FootyMcKurfs 4 күн бұрын
I want to see the test for Whoop strap vs no Whoop.
@deltacx1059
@deltacx1059 Күн бұрын
Ever consider a faring and solid front wheel? You guys are already way on the extreme end so you might as well.
@dropatrain
@dropatrain 4 күн бұрын
Why not test calf sleeves on unshaved legs so I don't have to shave them?
@iXurf
@iXurf 6 күн бұрын
This video was brought to you by Gillete
@handleless85
@handleless85 4 күн бұрын
I totally expected a plug for those sleeves. Then they all turn in the same results as just shaving your legs. Thank you for saving me money!
@eitanshushu
@eitanshushu 10 күн бұрын
w are always right, no matter what the issue is 😂
@jconnormcnabb
@jconnormcnabb 5 күн бұрын
But what’s the aero penalty for a mustache???
@williammartin9450
@williammartin9450 3 күн бұрын
Seems obvious if it's a handlebar moustache!?
@timetraveller7294
@timetraveller7294 2 күн бұрын
now its getting interesting
@ericbergstrom1
@ericbergstrom1 7 күн бұрын
That’s crazy. That’s definitely the difference between placing and not
@geoffbadger9597
@geoffbadger9597 10 күн бұрын
The End. Haha. It’s hard for me to believe as well that it makes such a difference, but if it does it’s more than just a marginal gain for you. Great video Lionel and it looks like you have an awesome team around you.
@MsTatakai
@MsTatakai 2 күн бұрын
still not convinced ... will keep them
@scottwhitten2016
@scottwhitten2016 5 күн бұрын
Can you test a Venus vs. a full Brazilian?
@jigglypuff4227
@jigglypuff4227 4 күн бұрын
Okay, I will start and shave my legs and arms too now.
@henrikh484
@henrikh484 Күн бұрын
13watts crazy gain, won’t be that much in a bunch but in a solo break all in, it will matter, as in TT of course 🎉
@BamBamSamification
@BamBamSamification 10 күн бұрын
Shaved Lion…pretty scary menace 😂😂😂😂
@DingleBerryMTB
@DingleBerryMTB Күн бұрын
I thought the whole point of shaving the legs (for cross country) was so when you come off, your skin doesn't rip out as much as there is no hair for it to grab onto.
@matthewjam3s
@matthewjam3s 4 күн бұрын
Can’t put a price on calf aesthetics when shaved. Worth every odd glance from my wife.
@bastianhinrichs4605
@bastianhinrichs4605 8 күн бұрын
Because I'm nowhere near driving 45 kmh, the question is how many watts do you save at 35kmh or 40kmh
@jiaan100
@jiaan100 2 күн бұрын
Drag scales with the square of your speed. (35/45)^2 is 0.6 and 30 makes it 0.44, so I'd guess around 5 to 7 watts. Probably more complex than this but close enough.
@user-we6wj1sc3u
@user-we6wj1sc3u 10 күн бұрын
I'll take the 13 watts, but I don't think that'll help this age grouper come close to you in NZ.
@lisagreenberg5020
@lisagreenberg5020 5 күн бұрын
Shaving also if for if you have a bike accident and easier to treat the skin with shaved legs and arms
@kmac720
@kmac720 7 сағат бұрын
I think Specialized had it at 15 watts for legs at 25mph.
@hagakuru
@hagakuru 9 күн бұрын
ROFL - the dude in the white shirt just standing there with a frozen expression on his face looks so surreal.
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