Liquid Cooling vs. Air Cooling Benchmark In-Depth (NH-D15, NZXT X62, & More)

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We're answering the question of whether "liquid cooling or air cooling is better," ft. the Noctua NH-D15, Deepcool Assassin III, NZXT Kraken X62 / X72 (280mm, 360mm), and more.
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Methodology article available here: www.gamersnexus.net/guides/35...
In this video, testing focuses on big air coolers versus big liquid coolers. We're testing for time-to-max temperature, noise-normalized thermals at 35dBA (and 40dBA), max fan speed thermals, and talking about compatibility, ease-of-installation, reliability and uptime, and liquid cooler failure rate and lifespan.
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Thermal benchmarking for this type of content requires a lot of testing and retesting. Each cooler underwent a minimum of 4 validation passes for its result (averaged, outliers retested if present), with each cooler requiring two tests per CPU, so that's a minimum of 16 test passes per device. This kind of work costs a lot for us to do -- totaling in the days, and thousands of dollars of time -- and watching this content is the best way to support it. Other ways are linked below. For this testing, we wanted to definitively provide the real answer for "should I buy air cooling or liquid cooling?" questions that we so commonly get. The answer, ultimately, is that it depends, but we're going to give you the most detailed "it depends" possible. Our goal is that you can make a properly informed decision now and in the future, as this content won't age much. A lot of people are also curious about if liquid cooler failures really are that common, or what the risks are with a closed-loop liquid cooler. For the most part, they're fine, but the ones that are bad really make the rounds in media. We talk about that in the video. For PC building with AMD Ryzen CPUs, like the AMD R9 3950X or R7 3800X, we tested air coolers and liquid coolers on Ryzen 3000 products to help builders pick the right parts. We also have Intel HEDT system testing for a larger IHS analysis.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Liquid vs Air
03:23 - Time-to-Max
06:00 - AMD R9 3950X Noise-Normalized
10:48 - Intel HEDT
13:18 - Coldplate Design
14:59 - AMD R9 3950X 100% Fan
15:58 - AMD R7 3800X Noise-Normalized
17:46 - AMD R7 3800X 100% Fan
18:55 - Conclusions
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Editorial, Testing: Steve Burke
Video: Josh Svoboda, Andrew Coleman, Keegan Gallick

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@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Watch our CPU test methodology video here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNOEgq2BmbGzqZ8.html Support this kind of work via Patreon or the GN store: www.patreon.com/gamersnexus & store.gamersnexus.net/ We just published our ATX12VO article component for last week's video, if you want to check that out: www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3568-intel-atx-12vo-spec-explained-what-manufacturers-think

@arthurtracy1126 4 жыл бұрын

I was just looking up cooling. N this popped up! Great timing! Was wondering Y or if U guys was/would do the phateks luxe 2/719 cases and thermals!? Doing my first PC! Trying do 2 dual-system should b fun!! Thanks 4 all the videos Steve!!!

@tanmaypanadi1414 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video and part myth buster . This was really easy to follow for some reason I have short attention span but kept pace with your voice which I normally cannot . Any changes in production or just less data and more talking head I assume

@daniel-1976 4 жыл бұрын

I'm so used to just clicking thumbs up I accidentally un-clicked it and had to do it again. Great content as usual.

@TheIleRules 4 жыл бұрын

How did you know I needed to see a comparison like this? :D

@Napster60 4 жыл бұрын

You get what you pay for.. Very expensive 4 degrees though. $90 for the best air cooler and $250 for the X62

@SilveradoNL 4 жыл бұрын

Steve is right, the fight between air/liquid cooling is stupid. Passive cooling is obviously best!

@BrianCroweAcolyte 4 жыл бұрын

No, submerging your PC in mineral oil and needing a bunch of garbage bags and 100 rolls of paper towels when you change a part out is the best lol

@brazeiar9672 4 жыл бұрын

Liquid is good if you want a show piece. If you just want to play games or do work on your pc then I can't see any sense in liquid cooling. Imagine doing some important work and then your cooler starts to leak :s

@nazgu1 4 жыл бұрын

Hang on there, which passive are we talking about? Does a custom loop with large passive rad count? Or are we talking about full commando passive with heatpipes and radiator cases?

@brazeiar9672 4 жыл бұрын

@@nazgu1 Just a big heatsink. The box cooler is the best though.

@timgriffith9149 4 жыл бұрын

And at the end of the day no matter what you are using to expelling the heat from the computer to.... wait for it.---> The Air. It is all just a different way of expelling the heat.

@meejmuas8686 3 жыл бұрын

I love Linus for the entertainment but I tend to make my buying decisions by watching this channel.

@DementiaAcerbus 3 жыл бұрын

I think Linus does the same.

@dariomladenovski7047 3 жыл бұрын

Linus is a shill

@twizz420 3 жыл бұрын

lol of course Linus is better at entertaining because he *IS* actually entertaining. Steve has the personality of a wet towel.

@devinport. 3 жыл бұрын

@@twizz420 uncalled for

@neuro3423 3 жыл бұрын

@@dariomladenovski7047 no

@FritzVanZyl 3 жыл бұрын

I just love the no nonsense approach, the techno talk rap in all monotone, the sensory overload of information and factual instinct, the effort, dedication and time to create these master pieces, .. I just love GN ;)

@hermitjayt 2 жыл бұрын

Each video is a dissertation

@redgt827 Жыл бұрын

meanwhile i dont get sensory overload from GN because they dont go over the top yelling about everything like linus

@fire2day 3 жыл бұрын

"Not included in these tests but it is pink" That's pretty great.

@sebastian-benedictflore 3 жыл бұрын

Glad someone else noticed it

@GabbyGotHart 3 жыл бұрын

I really wanted to know it’s results too😂

@TheGamerUnknown 4 жыл бұрын

0:00 - Introduction 0:51 - Conductonaut sponsor 1:18 - Test methodology and more intro 3:22 - First test ("Time to max", aka time to steady state temperature) 6:00 - Ryzen R9 3950X CPU (16 core) fixed frequency/voltage test 35DBA noise normalized temperatures 10:58 - Intel HEDT Noise Normalized Thermals test (40DBA) 13:19 - Coldplate discussion 14:59 - 100% fan speed test 15:58 - R7 3800X 35 DBA normalized 35DBA noise normalized temperatures 17:45 - R7 3800X 100% fan speed test 18:55 - Liquid Vs. Air discussion 21:52 - Liquid cooler failure discussion 27:25 - Conclusion on Air Vs. Liquid

@DaOmaHD 4 жыл бұрын

Hero

@FearlessP4P1 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, king

@albaraamadeini1197 4 жыл бұрын

@CheifinKeif 4 жыл бұрын

who else just skip to the conclusion??

@Hallo-qp3cw 4 жыл бұрын

You dropped something 👑

@radicalxedward8047 4 жыл бұрын

Wait a minute... you’re saying just setting the RGB to blue _doesn’t_ make my system run super cool? What if I set it to ice white?

@bananya6020 4 жыл бұрын

every rgb light in your system improves fps by 2% but decreases iq by 50%

@shaneeslick 4 жыл бұрын

I pulled my AIO down & went with a bigger RAD so I could have my Fans RGB set to Red without increasing the Steady State Temp 😁

@patricktho6546 4 жыл бұрын

Technically LED's produce a bit of heat on their own, so you will have a higher temperature, if you have any of them on :)

@hampelmann5804 4 жыл бұрын

@@patricktho6546 OH my so now we are gonna extend the discussion on whether the cooler should be RGB or not? Lord please help

@heygek2769 4 жыл бұрын

if you have an amd system you should stick to red RGB for best performance

@BubbaFett3333 3 жыл бұрын

Just say it: "liquid is pretty and cool, but good air coolers get the job done for the life of the PC with zero maintenance."

@PabzRoz 3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention you don't need their trash buggy software to run an air cooler like you do aio's. iCUE bricked my h100i after just 5 months of ownership. Corsair said I have to rma it and this is a common problem. Went out the next day and picked up a Noctua DH-15 from microcenter. I'm done with aio's for good. Ridiculous that they need buggy software to function.

@fusion-ux1zz 3 жыл бұрын

you are right but not zero maintenance

@PJxpanterx 3 жыл бұрын

Maintenance? I have not touched my Corsair H100 since 2012 until now and it's still running perfectly every day. And liquid cooling, according to this very video is "thermally better" (exact quote), so you are wrong.

@PabzRoz 3 жыл бұрын

@@PJxpanterx the comment never said liquid cooling wasn't better...

@leeroyjankins2307 3 жыл бұрын

@@PJxpanterx You're one of the lucky ones. Buying anything that runs through iCUE is like playing Russian roulette. You have a 50/50 chance of the product working fine or just completely bricking on you.

@brianjackson93 3 жыл бұрын

Attention to detail here is impressive. I like the blue bars on the edges of the charts that let us know how long we have to view it.

@bradmonk69 4 жыл бұрын

"Once people install the thing, they expect it to work." Gaming industry, take note

@douglasmarvel4115 4 жыл бұрын

They did. They're called consoles lol. Literally plug and play. We (not-so-)secretly love the nerd points we get from BuILdInG oUr OwN.

@ghoulbuster1 4 жыл бұрын

@@douglasmarvel4115 you missed the point

@pravda9646 4 жыл бұрын

@@ghoulbuster1 he got the point, he just made a joke about PC builders

@pravda9646 4 жыл бұрын

@KorinXploits Not any more, at least not for the average consumer. I'm using an R5 1400 and a 1060, but will be buying a PS5 because assuming a price of $600 I can't beat the frames and consistency unless RDNA2 blows Nvidia out of the water

@DarkLinkAD 3 жыл бұрын

Sony VRR updates pending and nerfed motion handling, Samsung nerfed 40gb 2.1 HDMI and lack of Full Array on entry QLED You guys too.

@dirkstrider8783 4 жыл бұрын

It just dawned on me, GN feels more like a news source than anything I see on TV. every topic they cover is so thorough and whenever disclaimers are needed they cover them completely. Not to mention this man is basically a news anchor, but he is nowhere near as insufferable to listen to as people from "real" media sources. in summary, keep up the good work yo, keep setting a outstanding example for what journalism in general should be.

@JohnDoe-wz6xi 3 жыл бұрын

Now ask yourself why internet censorship is becoming more and more common. Could it be that online content creators are cutting into the bottom line of legacy media companies? Hmmmmmmm 🤔

@neuro3423 3 жыл бұрын

News doesn't even go this in depth. The only way to find anything on the level is the comedy news like John Oliver. It's odd but regular news doesn't do this kind of research but the comedy ones do

@heretustay 3 жыл бұрын

steve is the walter cronkite of our time. yeah i said it

@renevandenbosch9967 3 жыл бұрын

He's an extremely knowledgeable opiniated hardware enthusiast that always fills his videos with actual content instead of the usual filler blabber that the copycat hardware channels have. He definitely can get a bit hung up on being right though, even when the issue at hand may be somewhat trivial. For example, he kept harking on AMD marketing ZEN 1 as a great 4K CPU (gpu limited tests are weird for cpu's but at the same time historically cpu limited tests haven't always correctly predicted how cpu's age) , and he got very hung up on a cooler being marketed as 'twice as cool' calculated in celcius (20 degree instead of 40) instead of kelvin (though it's actually somewhat useful marketing speak and not very misleading).

@neuro3423 3 жыл бұрын

@Hellequin Maskharat we really don't. In America you either have your 24 hr news stations, with their own implicit bias or 60 minutes.

@bardofhighrenown Жыл бұрын

My biggest take away from this is that a premium tower cooler is roughly equivalent to a decent 240mm AIO in terms of thermal performance, which is great because I was trying to figure out if I should get an air cooler or a 240, turns out it's mostly irrelevant and I can get whatever I want.

@Heeroneko 7 ай бұрын

Yeah, I think that's why ppl end up going for either aesthetics or durability in the end, esp w AIO. A custom loop liquid cooler will always have the best performance, but one crack in a pipe will ruin your whole week. An air cooler will always be less performant, but can survive being thrown at a wall. lol

@madk4speed 7 ай бұрын

I started with the intention of water cooling the CPU, and bought a PC case that can take a 420 radiator. Generally 140mm fans are quieter than the 120mm ones, and a 30mm thick 420 radiator should be enough. I have turned of the heating in the computer room, but it can still get quite warm. But I am having second thoughts regarding the necessity of water cooling. I am not convinced that the noise overall would be less compared to air cooling. Plus the risks and the maintenance of water cooling. So I have decided to stay with the OEM CPU cooler and 3d print air ducts. If it proves not to be good enough, will fit a bigger fan on the OEM cooler using a carefully designed 3d printed adapter, and help it again with air ducts. If this proves not to be satisfactory either, will get an NH-D15S and again 3d print air ducts. I suspect that the latter would be good enough. Have no objection for anyone just throwing money at a problem via the water cooling route, but personally I do not see it as best option for all users.

@christianhorn1999 6 ай бұрын

@@madk4speed people are just bad at thermodynamics: coolers dont cool the room. heat emission is not reduced by the cooler. if the room stays cool, its a bad cooler, bc you want to heat the room up by transfering heat from the CPU to the air in your room. heat capacity of the medium does not count in as you dont want the fluid to heat up unlimited. water is just different than air, mostly air coolers have heatpipes, all coolers are air coolers, the real heat transfer performance comes from radiators and fans.

@theHardwareBench 5 ай бұрын

I'm an overclocker and discovered this many years ago, however for daily use now CPU's pump out as much heat as heavily overclocked ones did a few years ago at stock speeds. Also GPU's are a lot hotter especially if they don't run the fans until they hit certain temps, this heat soaks the air coolers where the rad on an AIO will be further away causing less of a problem. I've been running a NH15 for 7 years on an open bench for daily use but I now need a 360mm AIO as I'm having heat issues with my i9 at stock when video editing. Overclocking is off the table with an air cooler now. I am also considering a custom loop but I think a 360mm or bigger AIO should do the trick for a few years.

@iiglo 5 ай бұрын

@@christianhorn1999 its obvious .... but these day .... it had to be said ... ur right my friend

@willhicks8769 2 жыл бұрын

One of the absolute best reviews I’ve seen in youtube. Technical, controlled, unbiased, factual, well articulated and well balanced. Subscribed! My “preference” is Air because I like the low risk (relative) to liquid. That said, if I was building a new system from scratch then I’d go liquid for outright horsepower. Recently put a 212 hyper evo on my 4690k and am so impressed for its price! 81c max on Prime95 blend (no avx) at 4.6ghz and 1.259v after 2 hours stable.

@shootinbruin3614 4 жыл бұрын

"The level of emotion people seem to express in their angry internet comments about why someone else is an idiot for using a cooler that this particular person didn't use . . ." How I wish this kind of insanity was only with CPU coolers and not seemingly EVERY SINGLE THING on the internet

@wattotoydarian9376 4 жыл бұрын

I really don't get why people get so emotionally attached to hardware, games and companies. I could switch back to Intel tomorrow if I saw it was beneficial for my particular needs.

@michaelhughes9278 4 жыл бұрын

i use my cpu cooler to cool my GPU and my GPU cooler to cool my CPU and motherboard/vram/marmosets. then i use my res to cool my m.2 nvme slots! everything else is wrong!

@QuadPowerful 4 жыл бұрын

@@wattotoydarian9376 People get emotionally attached to hardware because they take pride in their choice and want to show it to everyone they see in every opportunity they get.

@shaneeslick 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, you can pick any part of a PC & there are people who call others names because it's different to theirs

@shaneeslick 4 жыл бұрын

G'day @@QuadPowerful, I love my PC I built & have shared pics of it, but I applaud others for 'Doing their own thing' by using their Creativity, So I think it has more to do with the "I'm smarter & know Better than you, which make me right & you wrong" mentality than pride in your system, there are many people in this world who get enjoyment from putting others down to make themselves feel more Intellectual/Important/Special for any reason not just PC Components

@uss_04 4 жыл бұрын

“Some people just want a blood bath between Air and Liquid” I guess you can say, some people just want to see the world Thermal Throttle”

@SICKBOYSALONICA 4 жыл бұрын

sir you are telling a joke ----->> the difference of a good air cooler and a best of the best water cooler is few c like 3-4c !!!!!!!! in the best case scenario !!!!!! sooo what Thermal Throttle you say

@ajchaikovsky8382 4 жыл бұрын

DJ SICK__BOY sounds like an air cooling fanboy

@atavusable 3 жыл бұрын

@thomasstaffer 3 жыл бұрын

@Thomas Borisov Thank you for not trying to link a subreddit on KZfaq 😂

@Owl90 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant

@patoenojado 3 жыл бұрын

"Air coolers have one thing that needs to actively not suck" Or in the case of a pull-push config, it needs to actively suck and blow.

@jdxv134 3 жыл бұрын

The 23 min mark really earned my respect and a like and sub. The discussion of not talking about not reviewing 'good' hardware is so great. Thanks.

@shadowpuppet6707 4 жыл бұрын

I've had my Noctua NH-D14 since 2011& Noctua sends me free mounting hardware if i need it for a new socket....I have NO complaints!

@MarshallSambell 4 жыл бұрын

Shadow Puppet I still have my NH-D14 as well, it keeps my 3930k drawing 330w from the PSU under 90c on a stress test, I’m happy!

@warnacokelat 4 жыл бұрын

do you still keep the receipt back from 2011 as proof of purchase?

@josejuanandrade4439 4 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah? Well, i have my Noctua NH-D14 since 2012... and i haven't need free mounting hardware... but i may do because i been thinking to upgrade soon, not sure if ryzen 9, or wait to see if Intel comes out with something decent (i care a lot about single core performance cuz i play lots of mmo) Or maybe i'll just leave my current system the way it is (i7-6700k) and just get a NH-D15!

@blahman11480 4 жыл бұрын

Has anyone used the NH-D14 with an AM4 socket? I’m running it with a Ryzen 1600x and the t die temps when folding seem to be too high- 60 degrees and higher if my Vega 64 is also folding. I’ve re-seated the heat sink and it’s taken a few degrees off but don’t really know if it’s making proper contact or not? Thermal Paste is thermal grizzly and applied evenly across the chip. It kept an FX8350 at 4.5ghz cool so I know it’s a good cooler and I’m loathe to get rid of it!

@MassimilianoIotti 4 жыл бұрын

Same

@JohnSmith-hf4kh 4 жыл бұрын

This is the video we needed. You and your team are our heros, Steve!

@JankoDeGraaf 2 жыл бұрын

Man, this channel is awesome, the level of detail that you guys go into is incredible

@LogiForce86 3 жыл бұрын

Noctua NH-D14 a decade old now, and it's now going to cool an upcoming 5900X for another decade after cooling the 2600k for almost a decade and a Core 2 Duo E6600 before that for a year or so. The fans still feel like new when spinning them by hand... the bearings are in mint condition if you feel it by rotating the fans by hand with zero play.

@jjuarez83 2 жыл бұрын

I also have the NH-D14 since 2011. I plan on upgrading my MB/CPU and this NH-D14 is one of the components coming over (I hope).

@LogiForce86 2 жыл бұрын

@@jjuarez83 Should work no matter what. Noctua has clear compatibility lists for it. Also don't forget to send in your NH-D14 receipt together with the receipt of your new CPU or motherboard to Noctua for a free bracket if you need it. 👍

@jomanaitor Жыл бұрын

just buyed and nh-d15 few weeks ago for my new server (is cooling a 5950x) and hope will last as yours. I usualy go watercooling and I think all my pc has had a custom loop except one that used an AIO,but this was for a server and for a computer to be running 24h a day for years so realiability is important.

@LogiForce86 Жыл бұрын

@@jomanaitor She'll be fine. Congrats with your purchase. 👍 What did you think about the quality of the fans in hand compared to others you've used?

@T.Lspitz 9 ай бұрын

Just got a NH-d14 for $25 last week along with the rest of the computer lol. Came with a i7 7700k on a asrock z170 extreme7+. Might throw a spare cooler and gtx 1080 in it and sell it for a cheap price once i have it all cleaned up. Definitely keeping the Noctua cooler though lol. Got it all from my local computer recycling center which is my favorite place to come across great finds and deals.

@BeardedHardware 4 жыл бұрын

Now this is not slacking love it!

@SWIRFTV 4 жыл бұрын

dont worry bearded, i love your videos too, also you drink REIGN, so your cool. Slacker for life

@OlettaLiano 4 жыл бұрын

Slacking is not laziness. It's a lifestyle. 😂

@BeardedHardware 4 жыл бұрын

Slackity slack...

@schumbo8324 4 жыл бұрын

Wow look whos here. King of the slacker kingdom.

@noahbirdrevolution 4 жыл бұрын

Waddup slackers

@riot7521 4 жыл бұрын

Those timing bars on the side for the charts are the best! Wish more would do this.

@emotionalcontentmediaunltd2267 3 жыл бұрын

I do not agree. hahahaahahaha i ended up just watching for him to mis or get his cues instead of learning hahahahaaha why does it need two? like the bars werent enough you had to have octogons as well? Just in case you missed it.....

@PyromandanPwnr 2 жыл бұрын

I agree, they let you know how long you have to look/if you really need to pause him

@omnimutant 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video. It's just help me think logically about my choices in my upcoming build. I haven't built a new system for about 6 years and was under the impression that I was going to be forced to run liquid. It's all you see on everything, everywhere, always. Knowing that, especially for my planned system and application, a good air cooler will be totally adequate, puts me at ease.

@princeuy8021 2 жыл бұрын

Same bruh. My previous build lasted me 10 yrs.

@hhectorlector 3 жыл бұрын

first time watching your vids at 4k on a 32" monitor. your vids in general are visually outstanding but the graphs look so good too!

@user-li4kq8zp5h 4 жыл бұрын

As I build systems for living, I do have some caveats to add. AIOs tends to have perform worst when installed in a chassis with somewhat restricted airflow. Added air resistance from radiator is usually not that bad in a well ventilated chassis, but with some chassis with solid panel (ie, corsair 678C etc...) AIOs perform less efficiently. While air coolers of course does add air resistance and they are also affected by case airflow but they are not usually installed flush to the chassis meaning the airflow is not affected by the cooler that much. (Restrictive case + intake/exhaust fans + air tower = bad, but restrictive case + radiator = worse) And while AIOs are usually quieter when the CPU load is high, good air towers tends to be quieter when the system is idle. (AIO has additional pump noise, etc.) Some people don't mind AIO pump noise but some absolutely hate it. Catastrophic failure of an AIO is quite rare indeed, but I've seen quite some variations with pump noise. (Some run quiet at idle, some make subtle noise when idle or some arbitrary middle RPMs.) So I usually end up recommending both the big tower and AIOs to my customers equally. If one has some leftover budget and cares about the looks, I'd recommend AIO. f one uses the PC for some critical work (reliability is *absolutely* paramount.) I'd recommend air tower. (BTW, some customers actually prefer the beefy air towers) -If one has -*-LARGE-*- budget... I try to sell a custom watercooled build.- 🤣

@gameboyclr 4 жыл бұрын

so for a nzxt h200 build, a air cooler is bette?

@witchsorrowful1918 4 жыл бұрын

This. Absolutely true. I think you need to check with the case. Open air doesn't do it justice. And my $20-30 is a huge saving in a gaming budget PC.

@mjc0961 4 жыл бұрын

"If one has some leftover budget and cares about the looks, I'd recommend AIO." Why do you recommend the uglier option if they care about looks?

@user-ir7xq2fe8d 4 жыл бұрын

반갑슴다 머괴수형님

@CAL1MBO 3 жыл бұрын

@@mjc0961 I'm an air cooler guy but I have to be honest AIOs look better most of the time.

@oktc68 3 жыл бұрын

Great video showing the facts. I've used both types of cooler, my last cooler a Corsair H115i 280mm provided me with around 4 years of very good service before my nerves got the better of me and as I was doing a complete new build I decided to go with air cooling this time around. The Corsair was great, my temps were low for the type of CPU I was using (not a particularly "hot" CPU as designs go) but despite what's been said in this video it was loud. I tried replacing the original mag lev fans for some high quality ball bearing type as I could reduce the RPM than the original fans. It was still to noisy for me. The PC sits quite close to me (approx 3ft or 1m) and the top mounted rad was at ear height. I don't know if it was the pitch rather than the decibels that bugged me, but bug me it did. The replacement build (an exclusively for gaming build) featured an 5+ GHz i5 9600k and I'd already decided to go with an air cooler, I tried a Dark Rock 4 to begin with and whilst ridiculously quiet I was getting temps in the mid 80's°C which is higher than I'd like so I decided to go with a Noctua NH-D15 Chromax which reduced temps to mid 60's°C at the cost of added noise. I still had my old PC which I'd used the exact same case in the new build and with the same type of case fans in the same configuration the new air cooled PC was definitely quieter. I was quite surprised by this as it runs contrary to popular theory. Whatever. Does it really matter? If you want the absolute best cooling liquid removes heat more efficiently than air, scientific fact. Sound involves human perception and how something measures doesn't always equate to how it's perceived. Reliability is another factor, with a good quality air cooler being a fit and forget item. You may be able to use it on your next build and replacing the fans every few years it should last indefinitely. If that's important to you an air cooler is a no brained. There's also the aesthetic of it, my build with the AIO always looked empty and a little messy to me, whilst that's a very subjective opinion it is still valid.

@adisolar 2 жыл бұрын

One of the most professionally made videos! Many thanks for the information. One thing to add is that any fan (reasonably strong) placed closer to the middle of the build (the case of air CPU coolers) instead of the edges (the case of CLC radiators and fans on them) will cause significant air flow interference. I advise researching this subject more. Also, unequal performance and air flow direction of intake vs outtake fans will also cause significant issues, something rarely discussed and most of the time not considered in builds.

@CallMeChato 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent and thorough. After using AIOs for many years, I've settled on the Noctua NH U12A for most of my builds mostly the noise, if any, is manageable for music editing purposes. Water coolers do get noisy when pushed with a fan tone that's problematic for audio production, whereas if you hear the U12A it's never offensive. Another accidental reason for me, when during a build the motherboard's fan controllers didn't work and the only thing left to cool the CPU was the Noctua radiator. When I got back to my bench I could smell something was amiss. The radiator was hot to the touch but the CPU was fine, even without the fans. I'm sticking with air from now on.

@Demon09-_- 3 жыл бұрын

I feel you there when air coolers fail and a fan or fans die something maybe overheats or maybe thermal throttles or gets really hot. where on the flip side like kinda mention in the video when liquid cooling fails it can take things with it depending on how it fails. I love my u12a also noctua fans in general are great as im not a crazy rgb guy and they make chromax fans now in black sadly not the nh 12x25 ones yet tho

@SamWestby 4 жыл бұрын

I love this guy and the format of his videos. Fewer edits, notes visible, and more human. Also thanks, I'm building my first computer right now and this was helpful

@lystic9392 3 жыл бұрын

27:00 Thank you! With all the people on YT doing a new build every few months and such I thought I was the only one who just likes to build a PC, have it work well, and leave well enough alone for years.

@1969MARKETING 3 жыл бұрын

i was a hardcore liquid cooling guy until i did my first Noctua air cooling rig. I even changed out the main Noctua brown/tan cpu fans for the gray redux fans and used the black chromax sleeve to hide the heatsinks and it still performed amazingly well. It does just as well as any liquid cooler i've used, so no reason to buy liquid again.

@holleringsmith3837 2 жыл бұрын

Hard hard disagree. I have the same Noctua air cooler in this vid and most modern games make my cpu temps spike up to 100 C. It’s definitely overrated.

@1969MARKETING 2 жыл бұрын

@@holleringsmith3837 you definitely have the fan configuration setup wrong if you're getting temps that high.

@commoncense838 2 жыл бұрын

@@holleringsmith3837 Unless we mention/consider ambient temp, CPU and case, the CPU temps are pointless for judging any fan alone.

@UmbraWeiss Жыл бұрын

@@holleringsmith3837 you have big issues with your case,vents or your thermal paste if you go anywhere near with a noctua like that.... I have a noctua 15 on my 5900x and while gaming it's not even close to 80...and in most games is 66-70.... If i hit it with a stress test i can go up to 80-85.... But that is, prime 95 is the only thing that can hit it so hard it will go to even 90.....

@AC-hj9tv Жыл бұрын

Noctua gang is the chillest

@dobbs024 4 жыл бұрын

Dude, you rock. The way you guys perform testing and dissect it in a really detailed and unbiased fashion is rad! Then you have this way of breaking down all this information in a really practical way, which makes choosing products wildly straight forward. Thank you!

@dododareal1218 3 жыл бұрын

"rad" i get that pun :D

@livelongandprosper70 Жыл бұрын

Not exactly "entertaining " to look at bar graphs tho 🙄 📊

@ideoidiom 4 жыл бұрын

The most significant difference is actually is the pitch of the noise coming from the coolers, the tiny motors of the pump are significantly more noticeable than the large 140mm fans, which blend better into the sound of the case fans and GPU fans. This is especially true for low tdp processors. A massive air cooler like the noctua d15 can effectively passively cool a CPU whereas the motor of an AIO will never go away.

@loudnoises4627 4 жыл бұрын

willham should be top comment

@MarshallSambell 4 жыл бұрын

It’s true, I have a huge dual tower cooler similar to the NH-D15 on an i3 8350k at 5ghz 1.34v and I never see the temps get over 45c for daily desktop use

@TrueThanny 4 жыл бұрын

An actual liquid cooler, using one or two D5 pumps, doesn't have that problem.

@thesmellofbacon7595 4 жыл бұрын

@@TrueThannyThose actually cost at least 2x as much as well. And will need to be replaced eventually. Worst case scenario on air, you have to replace a fan. Worst case on liquid, you have to replace everything.

@jsharp9735 4 жыл бұрын

@@TrueThanny thats not true. all d5 pumps have a high pitched whine in the 14khz range from the capacitor....its the loudest part of my build and went through 3 of them to realize this. If you cant hear in that range, then you wont hear it.

@wally837 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I built my first system in at least two decades last February. I went with the Noctua NH-D14 as I didn't want to mess with water cooling. Clearance was not an issue as i bought a massive full tower (Thor V2) although i did have to adjust the fan up the tower a little to clear the Ram. I am happy with that decision as it looks like if I would have spent almost twice as much I would have only gotten 3-5 degrees better performance from an AIO water cooler.

@majinroot 3 жыл бұрын

Hey man I wanted to say thank you. I spend my day researching..and the way this is put together is outstanding. I'm also building my first computer and the information you give is immeasurable and for that sir I give you great praise indeed!

@fernandomoreira1929 2 жыл бұрын

Did you get an air cooler?

@adrunkzebra6095 4 жыл бұрын

I might be weird, but I really just like the way air coolers look.

@brunos6599 4 жыл бұрын

It's ok to like air coolers.

@DrearierSpider1 4 жыл бұрын

Nice looking all black air coolers like the Dark Rocks or Noctua's Chromax line look much better than any RGB nonsense IMO.

@Naraku150 4 жыл бұрын

I mean I have a NH-D15 and I think it looks badass lol.

@Phambleton 4 жыл бұрын

Thermalright Le Grand Macho. Most badass cooler in my opinon ;)

@chadmckean9026 4 жыл бұрын

@@Naraku150 This is how i feel about my nh-d14 (the D15 did not exist when i got this) Mine is now over 6 years old and has been on 3 different platforms (790X/SB750, Z97, X470) I got the SE 2011 version cause it had pwm fans and noctua has sent me mounting hardware for all 3 platforms free of charge

@sanjivsriramsrinivasan6365 4 жыл бұрын

Finally, someone seriously discussing specific heat capacity. Kudos.

@trogdorstrngbd 3 жыл бұрын

I recently started watching GN videos after being directed here from LTT. It is an absolute _crime_ that GN hasn't reached 1 million subscribers yet. EDIT: Yay, they made it!

@DeadpoolPlayz 3 жыл бұрын

yay

@arthodart4712 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed watching this content piece while I did some chores. You made a lot of solid points about the use cases for both cooler types.

@stephenwakeman3074 4 жыл бұрын

"The fan should actively not suck" - I'm pretty sure the fan should actively suck AND blow 😂

@kennethschultz6465 4 жыл бұрын

Ooh you are in of the funny ones ... What doe's a FAN Do?? If you say suck .. Then yes please blow me!!!

@PurpleKnightmare 4 жыл бұрын

It should move air. :p

@richardsprunger1464 4 жыл бұрын

Good stuff. Thank you! I just got a Kraken x63 for a gaming pc I'm going to build and this makes me feel really confident that I got the right cooler for me for this build. Appreciate all the work you put in.

@Seedyrom247 3 жыл бұрын

These videos trigger my PTSD from university. Steve is like that lecturer who talks at a million miles an hour, and starts rubbing the blackboard off just after he’s finished talking.

@gmualum08 3 жыл бұрын

Ouch I had a physics professor like that for the brief moment I thought I was gonna major in engineering. FML

@Isoquant 3 жыл бұрын

What an excellent video, thanks for the thorough breakdown! Decided to go with air cooling, but I totally get the appeal of liquid cooling for certain builds and use cases.

@madwedge1 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for keeping the videos coming during lockdown. Your dedication is appreciated. Much love from the UK.

@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын

It's crazy how much different the world is now than just a few months ago. I've been consuming more KZfaq content from other creators than before as well, so I can appreciate the need for stuff to watch!

@madwedge1 4 жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus Except for Jays vids yeah? You don't watch those! 😉

@titanhealbarh.1963 4 жыл бұрын

23:15 I have worked at a major PC parts retailer and currently work at a System Integrator (won't say which) and you would not believe how many times I have had to explain this very thing about how you only hear about failures because that's the only thing worth mentioning when you review a product or ask for someone's advice about said product. My best example that I tell customers is that I almost never leave a review on the stuff I buy online unless I was insanely satisfied with it or wanted to provide my two cents to help potential buyers make an informed purchasing decision or if the product seriously sucks. I never leave a review if the product works as intended because why bother? As you put it, it is doing its job and there is no point in praising it for that. I wish more people knew this lol

@Shadow__133 4 жыл бұрын

Titanhealbar H. I agree, but from my perspective it has merit. I have never seen a fan stop working, and I have builds running for 20 years. Liquid depends on a lot more things that can potentially go bad: hoses that crack over time, pump failure, connector leak, radiator corrosion etc. That being said, Im not saying to not buy it. I have built several liquid cooling pcs over the years and Im a fan purely for the esthetics and silence. Im changing my noctua 12 for a h100i this week.

@nuhuh4564 3 жыл бұрын

@@Shadow__133 good choice. I have one that is 7 years old and still running strong with no issues.

@MC-eg5fj Жыл бұрын

I love listening to word I don’t know but still understanding what’s being explained. Good video

@rolandofuentes6444 3 жыл бұрын

Best ever conclusion at the end. Great and reasonable analysis! I'm not a "computer" guy, but I'm an industrial engineer, it's obvious that to the extreme liquid cooling is better cooling because of the heat transfer capabilities. At the end what are you looking for is what matters.. what you need and how you solve it..

@sauyon 4 жыл бұрын

“Our testing here won’t be just one Noctua cooler vs a random liquid cooler” shots fired. That said, that video probably spawned a lot of people who think air is just better than water in all cases, so I can kind of see your point.

@evilbob2200 4 жыл бұрын

curious lol shots at fired at who?

@ZeroGoofs 4 жыл бұрын

Linus I presume

@paranoidpanzerpenguin5262 4 жыл бұрын

@@evilbob2200 Probably Linus, whose test was not only using a tiny sample size, it contradicted literally everyone else who reviews coolers

@djmccullough9233 4 жыл бұрын

People would have to be serious Fanboys to pull the "oh, air is better than water, in all circumstances" statement. I chose air because its a 'fire and forget' solution with the least maintainance and longest life. i got 4.3 on my 3800x, even faster than my old air cooler could manage. Ive had multiple failures OF CLC's but opeted for Air because it is sufficient. I didnt feel the need to go over-kill on cooling when there really isnt a need to push farther to reach my Cpu's max sustainable performance. However those who run Hotter Cpu's than a 3800x (especially intel cpu's) are advised to run water cooling i would think.

@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын

More of just a general comment, not directed at any content creators in particular. We see a ton of reddit posts where that's how people establish X is better than Y.

@dycedargselderbrother5353 4 жыл бұрын

21:45 "You Only Install a Cooler Once" sounds like a boring Bond movie that is completely out of ideas.

@johnblack5616 4 жыл бұрын

Dycedarg's Elder Brother James Bond gets a job at MicroCenter and settles down

@mdo 4 жыл бұрын

Then it's "Tempfall" all the way. See what I did there? Tempfall? cuz the cooler makes the temperature drop? No? Ok, I'll grab my coat now.

@MichaelCoombes776 4 жыл бұрын

@@mdo these puns are looming like a spectre over this comments section

@mjc0961 4 жыл бұрын

I think that one was called Quantum of Solace.

@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking 3 жыл бұрын

James Bond should have been a guest here - has a license to cool.

@thoreberlin 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that video!!! Never thought about the higher thermal capacity advantage. People with intermittent short term high loads might get a quieter system with liquid averaging that out.

@depth386 3 жыл бұрын

I am on a custom loop but air does have advantages in very little maintenance and as stupid block of metal it pretty much lasts forever until motherboard sockets and mounting hardware changes make it obsolete. I would like to see custom loop included in this testing.

@jaredstewmelt 4 жыл бұрын

Hell yes! Been waiting for this one.

@DBT_Rusty 4 жыл бұрын

bump

@jaredstewmelt 4 жыл бұрын

@El-ahrairah For the most part, yes... But I like the GN treatment when it comes to these topics. Data, data, data.

@ryanvertein7020 4 жыл бұрын

That was probably the best test review I've seen you do. I'm saving this for future reference.

@Georgi8812 3 жыл бұрын

I was looking for this video for a week compare the air vs Liquid cooling , thank you!

@TihomirSavic87 2 жыл бұрын

Quality channel. Helped me made some great decisions when building my rig. Keep it going.

@a.e.w.384 4 жыл бұрын

Outstanding assessment of the given tech! Very professional and thorough, well done!

@husseinyacoub7327 4 жыл бұрын

can you include the nh-u12a in the future air coolers review?

@Bound4Earth 3 жыл бұрын

I think Steve hit the nail on the head in the end of the video and it is a point never talked about in most air vs water debates. There is also the issue of user knowledge on PCs beyond not wanted to mess with a system once built. Some people don't know how to open their PC case, or don't want the headache and in those cases Air is vastly superior. I had to walk a friend through fixing a system, step by step over skype remotely, that had a water AIO leak into the system. Luckily it only fried the GPU, but I shifted him to Noctua because he didn't want to mess with this until he replaced old parts with new in another 5 plus years. Fans are running, everything is great.

@ridleykiller1994 3 жыл бұрын

I accept that liquid (AIO or custom) can perform better than air, from slightly better to much better, but I prefer air for most uses thanks to familiarity with the ease of installation and maintenance. As long as I remember the paste and get good pressure, my job is done, probably forever. Might go for liquid if I want my next PC to be prettier, or have some reason to care about thermals more than I do now

@pronewbofficial 4 жыл бұрын

This is the video I needed 4 years ago.

@SirAser.F__k.you.Google 4 жыл бұрын

My pump just died a week ago, on my trusty old AIO-system from coolermaster - but considering the lifespan of 5 years... i think its done a great job! 5 years also a fair amount of time considering the fact that my system is actually 5 years now and ...well matured for an upcoming overall update. Im so satisfied with this product, that i just replaced it with a new one (now when i pass my old rig over to my son). Thx for all the good videos - with great and high quality content! Not even going to add anything to that stupid fight...

@exeonx6561 3 жыл бұрын

I bought the NH-D15 5 years ago, glad it's still the best price/performance cooler out there. High end aircoolers can't beat high end liquid coolers, not 5 years ago, not now. However for the price of the NH-D15 no liquid cooler can beat it. Failure for liquid cooling happens way less then people think, but it does happen, I've seen reputable brands having bad liquid coolers. It doesn't happen often, but if it happens your pc is most likely dead. So the question is: If you have the space for a big aircooler, why would you spend more for marginal increases in performance with a "risk" attached to it? It doesn't matter if 0.0001% of the liquid coolers fail, it's still a risk that you don't have with an aircooler.

@sumitkapur9479 3 жыл бұрын

I like the noctua a lot, but you are wrong, aio and noctua have the same price to perf. Yes you are technically paying more for the cooler, but the aio does the job of two in one, It brings in air for the pc, gpu, and it also cools the gpu. So noctua nhd15 is 90 bucks. But if you buy 3 corsair fans for your intake fans. that 60 bucks plus 90 which is 150. And you can buy a corsair, or evga aio for 150. And the aio does the job of both intake for the pc and cooling the pc. Its really up to you. Noctua puts more stress on motherboard, while aio has risk of leaking or pump dying.

@exeonx6561 3 жыл бұрын

@@sumitkapur9479 Depends on how you look at it, I'm a bigger fan of 140mm fans, more CFM less noise, 2x Artic P14's cost 20€, or you can get 3x artic P12's for 15€ and they will still outperform the corsair fans. And this is entirely dependant if your case comes with fans or not, if they don't you are still comparing 110$ vs 150$ which a couple of degrees don't win you in a value aspect Something that wasn't tested here is the GPU temperatures, which are far better for the Nhd15 vs Aio coolers Never seen a case of a motherboard bending or breaking due to the weight of the cooler, I guess it could be a factor if you move it all the time, but what would the point of a desktop be then?

@dannir7 3 жыл бұрын

@@exeonx6561 not to mention better airflow over the RAM sticks in the case or air cpu coolers

@JohnSmith-bk8yb 3 жыл бұрын

Love the heatsink "shelf" in the back :)

@higgsbosonseeker 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I was hoping someone would do a super detailed study like this one.

@ferndelisle 4 жыл бұрын

Steve! Arctic Liquid Freezer II review when? Arctic said they sent you guys one and I just ordered one but still want the validation from the most thorough reviewer on the internet. Curious if you think the VRM fan is anything more than a gimmick.

@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын

We're working on it right now. We did this video in preparation for that one.

@ph7neutral 4 жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus CANT WAIT! :O

@nthed16 4 жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus Awesome, was wondering he same thing as I saw it in the video but not in any of the charts.

@ikjadoon 4 жыл бұрын

If you watch the video, GN shows their Arctic Liquid Freezer II on a test system at 22:38 . Very curious how this one fares.

@bloodyzbub6213 4 жыл бұрын

I've been using the ALF II 240mm with my 6700k (4.6ghz) and it rocks. The VRM fan definitely moves air in my case and is really quiet...saw a different tuber claim it can drop vrm temps as much as 10 C. Installation was a piece of cake. But personally, I'm looking forward to hearing what the authority has to say.

@Timoch1 3 жыл бұрын

hey Steve, don't know if you read this, but if so: keep doing this. It helps me alot while building my computer and it's actually pretty relaxing to watch in full and also good if you just want to find some good data fast. In fact, I always look for one of your videos if I want to have data for something

@Dobington 3 жыл бұрын

Really nice clear info and a great summary! Thank you.

@kabes7 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome video. I prefer air coolers, only really because of the subjective noise differences. The two coolers may be the same when measured with a sound meter, but some of the buzzing that comes from a pump is more objectionable to my ears than a slightly louder whooshing from a fan. In any AIOs I've tried, adjusting the pump speed allowed me to find a sweet spot where the frequency of noise coming from the pump wasn't as objectionable... but at that point, I wasn't really getting better than air cooler performance by nerfing the pump performance. So I sold my AIOs and threw in the big hunk of metal and will leave it at that for the foreseeable future.

@KiraDenys 4 жыл бұрын

For me, it's always going to come down, to reducing point's of failures, so I'll be sticking with air.

@Sophistry0001 4 жыл бұрын

Not only reducing points of failure, but the failures that can happen are much less catastrophic. Liquid failure best case scenario is buying an all new CLC. Worst case scenario is buying a new component or whole PC. Even though the failure rate is very small the consequences of a failure are very high.

@TheDarSin 4 жыл бұрын

Same. The pump on my AIO failed. Went with air and called it a day.

@Nianfur 4 жыл бұрын

Air failure = noisy and wise thermals = get a new fan. AIO failure = possible water leak and dead motherboard, pump failure, noisy, can't fix = new cooler and maybe a new system...

@Valkirth 4 жыл бұрын

@@Sophistry0001 depends on the company,have a friend who had his motherboard and gpu fully replaced by evga when one of their pumps failed (wasn't even evga's fault,was the fault of the seller handling it badly which caused it to leak)

@VPoje 4 жыл бұрын

Yep, that's the way to go. I had a 240mm AiO from Corsair and when it failed after 2 years, i went back to my old Noctua cooler and i lost zero performance, since my overclocking is conservative. I will never go back to liquid cooling, it's not worth it.

@SEOTOMICS 2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU FOR CHARTS - SIMPLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE FORMAT

@witchylemon 7 ай бұрын

Engineer here building her first gaming PC - really appreciated the methodology and attention to detail. Really helped me make an informed choice for my cooling system!

@aprilmeowmeow 6 ай бұрын

how'd the build go? I built my first PC earlier this year as well. 😊

@witchylemon 6 ай бұрын

Amazing! She’s beautiful. I ended up going with the Thermalright Phantom Spirit and it’s kept things nice and cool, think I was capping just 68 on my CPU playing Squad. 🤌🏽

@LeakyWaders 4 жыл бұрын

I've had a bequiet dark rock 4 for like 5 years and love it. Keeps all the cpus I have put it on plenty cool and I've literally checked it to make sure the fans were still going as they're that quiet in my phantek case. I stopped doing water cooling years ago just because I hated the noise... I'm getting old I think. But either way thanks for always doing amazing work and showing the realistic science.

@twinjuke 4 жыл бұрын

I would have loved to see a price-within-the-same-range LC compared to the D15, like Cooler Master ML240R. Though it's a long awaited review for me! Thank you!

@VM-eo2iw 3 жыл бұрын

I like how out of a few you tubers who provide tech info (pc) you are one of the few who actually knows what they’re talking about. No flashy bullshit. Got yourself a new subscriber.

@bismarcksandiego6539 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, love your vids and content. Question(s). You tested "ramp up" time to max temp for all coolers. I think it's also a fair point to do a "ramp down" to idle temps. Air temp matters to users, especially if computers aren't in an ideally cooled room with AC. You may not think this is a big deal, but the ability to dissipate the heat and return to idle temps would be a good piece of info. Also, acoustic testing is testing across the entire hearing range. Some frequencies are more "annoying" to users than others. Do you feel logging the different frequencies that each device generates would be helpful? I believe it would, as lower frequency is easier on some peoples ears vs high frequency pump noises.

@patrickregis1 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the vidéo. Resumé : Air cooler are as efficient as liquid cooler on the 80~100$ range, but they don't need maintenance and are riskfree for your PC

@sumitkapur9479 3 жыл бұрын

@sloid3067 4 жыл бұрын

Love the content GN! Have you ever considered doing a test on the Scythe Ninja 5? I am intrigued by all the Scythe air coolers, this one in particular and would love to see a video from you guys on it.

@skd 2 жыл бұрын

I installed a liquid cooler on my PC in Dec 2020. It performs just fine, I didn't have any issues. Making a video about the cooler not failing will not give me many views, I guess. But it's a decent cooler anyway. I'm talking about H100x from Corsair.

@AlexsMemeDump 2 жыл бұрын

I've had an h100i running for 6 years now on an overclocked CPU with 0 maintenance or issues. No complaints from me. Still going aircooled for my next build tho, just for piece of mind and longevity

@Thrashman138 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to watch a serial killer documentary about a working-as-intended water cooler.

@nlennon24 2 жыл бұрын

Built my 2600k 11 years ish ago with a h100 and oc to 4.5 daily no maintenance. Still running as we speak.

@nazhif1 2 жыл бұрын

@@nlennon24 Same goes for my 10 y/o H80

@ericdecker7771 3 жыл бұрын

I wasn’t getting the cooling I should’ve from my Corsair H100i and after doing some research I found that there was too big a gap between the mounting plate and where the pump tightens down on the cpu. I installed 1/16” rubber grommets on the backside mount posts that come through the mobo. Problem fixed. I had to do the same thing on my H150i which is insane they haven’t fixed it yet. Keeps my OC’d 10700K nice and cool now. Just thought I would say something for anyone else having the issue. Love your content GN!

@anonymous_coward 4 жыл бұрын

The one thing that feel has been missing is from liquid cooler reviews is pump noise, just on its own. That should be really easy to test since you just need to a 12V current source. I say this because when running the pump on the liquid cooler that I have at full speed as you are supposed to, or so I have been told, the overall system noise at idle is disappointing.

@nathancooper9216 4 жыл бұрын

I think the pump noise is something that's always overplayed. I've never noticed the noise and my GPU drowns out anything else going on in the case while I'm gaming anyway lol

@kidShibuya 4 жыл бұрын

This is obviously taken into account as they cant measure the fan noise separately. Personally I can't hear my d15 pump at 3 and have no reason to turn it to 5. And you are not supposed to run your AIO at full speed, if that were true there would not be an option. Run it at the lowest speed you can with acceptable thermals.

@concinnus 4 жыл бұрын

If the pump is working correctly, air is purged, and speeds are balanced, the fans will drown out the pump. Unless you have a very restrictive loop with tons of fans at 300RPM, or something. My Topsflo at 2500 RPM is drowned out by 4 Noctua 140's at 500RPM.

@dainiusvysniauskas2049 4 жыл бұрын

@@kidShibuya How far away the computer is from you? Back when I was attempting my custom loop, I had 360mm rad with fans in push pull and 240m rad with fans set as exhaust and D15 pump at 3 was definitely noticeable from around 60cm of distance.

@MrDavid8460 4 жыл бұрын

As far as I know you can control pump speeds in most if not all AiO coolers. That should solve the noise problem.

@akyer8085 4 жыл бұрын

Can you do a follow-up video on these series to see if the placement of clc on PC cases affects the overall system? (front intake vs top exhaust, bad airflow vs good airflow cases, cpu/gpu temps, gpu hybrid temp)?

@chrisroberts324 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the informative presentation. I myself have been using AIOs since 2015. I used it in my prior build and had used a Corsair H55 to cool my I5 4690K. I ran it all the time and it never leaked or failed. The only reason I stopped using it was because I had upgraded my computer and found that the H55 could not work with the new LGA 1700 socket. That was when I purchased a Lian Li Gallihad 360 AIo. I mounted it at the top of my case. I am hoping that is a high enough quality AIO that it should not fail at least for a long time. I am still using the Corsair CX750M that I bought 7 years ago. It still seems to be working just fine. I personally think that running a computer under extreme loads constantly can wear the parts out faster. I also think that since most people tend to upgrade their computer every 5 years or so that the lifespan of these components are kind of a moot point because realistically, how long are you really going to be able to use that Cooler since they tend to change out socket technology every 5 years.

@ericromano8078 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I was going to liquid cool my next system, but your point about needing to change them after 6 years is what really sold the air for me, as I want to be able to hand it down to my daughter when she's 10 or 11 and ready for one of her own, and not have to worry about anything special. Assuming I can get a GPU before then anyway.

@chesslover8829 4 ай бұрын

For what it's worth, I've been running my Corsair liquid cooler (two 120mm fans mounted vertically on the radiator) for an AMD six-core CPU for 12 years with no issues whatsoever. The cooler has never leaked.

@bretthopkins1475 4 жыл бұрын

I just have my friend blow into the front vents and spritz the side with water, best of both worlds

@Dpaq13 4 жыл бұрын

your content has been this great since you were at 20k subs -- I knew from my first vid with you that you were hitting 1M

@69stus 2 жыл бұрын

Wow thanks a lot the most comprehensive education on coolers I've ever bothered to look for!

@eastman5181 2 жыл бұрын

The D15's issues with top pcie slot clearance is less of an issue in modern times since the "top slot" is generally an M.2 slot

@yurimodin7333 Жыл бұрын

and d15s is a thing now

@kalhas80 4 жыл бұрын

After using an AIO for four years, I personally 5went to a Noctua D14 and never going back for the following reasons: No one takes into account the pump noise, vibration, I can still do a moderate overclock without any point of failure, the noise of the water-cooler after reaching max temp seemed like it never dropped back.

@malamri424 4 жыл бұрын

i always go with air cooling... slap it on and forget about it

@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын

Definitely a valid argument for air! Liquid can also be easy to forget about, but there's no circumventing the fact that it does have more possible points of failure (even if the failures on good ones are rare).

@MichaelEiler 4 жыл бұрын

Same situation here. Using the Noctua NH-D15. Took it over with a free mounting hardware upgrade from a Skylake based system to an AM4 one. (I upgraded from the i7-6700k to a Ryzen 7 3700x)

@UKYusei 4 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelEiler hows it performing on your 3700x? I got the same setup what's your idle temps like

@colorwithkurt 4 жыл бұрын

Same! I've got a D15 cooling my 3950x, and it's barely cracking 60C under load. Idles in the high 30s.

@UKYusei 4 жыл бұрын

@@colorwithkurt my 3700x idles at high 30s too in my itx case

@The_Wailing_Doom 3 жыл бұрын

Always the most informative PC tech channel on KZfaq.

@anotherrandomcommenter4473 Жыл бұрын

To me, the biggest advantage to water cooling is that you can actually choose where the heat gets exhausted. You Can put the radiator right against a vent and send the heat out immediately as opposed to the heat floating around the case until it gets picked up by an exhaust fan.

@silvershines 11 ай бұрын

Only relevant in SFF builds, where the movement of air is restricted and you need a lot more static pressure to get things flowing. In normal ATX and mATX builds, you lost important fans that could push slightly warmer air through the VRM and RAM. Chances are your GPU temps will run warmer with an AIO too. 'Heat flooding around the case' does not matter much because the movement of air cools things down regardless of how warm it is. Imagine this; on a warm humid day you have a fan facing towards you pushing air onto you. Now imagine on that same day, you put the fan facing away from you (it's still moving the same volume of air). I know which one I'll pick.

@anotherrandomcommenter4473 11 ай бұрын

@@silvershines I should have been more specific. What I meant was air coolers will inevitably send heat to circulate around the case. Radiators give you the ability to send all of the heat from the CPU and/or GPU out of the case _immediately_. This is relevant to me because my pc build had a higher core count than it has any business needing. So I had to go a bit overboard with cooling to keep my apartment from burning down. My point is the faster you get heat out and away from your computer, the better. And radiators are pretty freaking good at it.

@em.dot.2 8 ай бұрын

@anotherrandomcommenter4473 that's true, but I was really surprised to find just how much I enjoyed the airflow aspect of PC building - liquid cooling takes alot of the fun out of the build, for me. Guess it really does boil down to preference.

@dhelmick 4 жыл бұрын

The NH-D15S would be a nice comparison here as well, seeing that it fixes the PCI-E slot compatibility issue and only comes with one fan it would be interesting to see just how much better the regular NH-D15 is with 2 fans vs better compatibility

@GothaRsk 4 жыл бұрын

I have it and I added the second 120 mm fan. The difference was about 4-5 degrees in my case. Previously I had 4790k and fans would often ramp up rapidly due to sudden change in temperature, at that time I consider CLC. But then I moved to 3700x and possibly due to soldered IHS it is much better. No more temperature spikes, it is audible only during longer workloads.

@TheMEXICANBEEF 4 жыл бұрын

I've tried 1, 2, and 3 fan configurations with a nhd15. With a high air flow case, there isn't really a difference. Just 1 of those Noctua fans can move a ton of air. The fans do get noisy when mounted with the intake side against the cooler so I would advise against the triple fan setup. The most important factor with this air cooler is to have plenty of air moving in to your case. In my case, the nhd15 actually had lower temps than the h115i pro it replaced.

@Sophistry0001 4 жыл бұрын

Just by random chance I added a second fan to my NH-D15 today, and I can say with confidence that if there is a change in temps, I cant tell. My 3950x runs at ~73 during a Cinebench R20 run which is the same before and after the addition of a second fan. Granted, I have the NR600 case with 3 front fans running on molex full speed and 2 140mm exhaust fans right over top of the cooler which probably are playing a part in it.

@damienriot 4 жыл бұрын

@@GothaRsk According to tests from Science Studio and some other less know YT channels, adding extra fan and running both fans @100$ didn't help on some CM 212x black, Cryorig, Chonky noctua coolers compared to the older temp @100 1x fan. But @50% fan speed, 2x fans did improve temp by ~5C.

@hardcorehardware361 4 жыл бұрын

I've had 5x AIO's fail from Corsair CM Alphacool, I've now went back to the trusty NHD15 but a Chromax version. Great video Steve.

@grtom88 4 жыл бұрын

I think thats why everyone seems to prefer air cooling. Less points of failure and less risk of harming other components. Especially when it comes to brands like Noctua,you cant fault people for preferring air cooling.

@hardcorehardware361 4 жыл бұрын

@@grtom88 After having so many fail I was constantly paranoid that another one would leak so I switched.

@lort6022 4 жыл бұрын

sounds legit.

@anhiirr 4 жыл бұрын

"the best just got better" is what i thought when the sales rep at microcenter told my friend they have the chromax.......many viewers fail to realize the 280mm kraken is 270$......add 2x noctua fans to that equation youre looking at 300$+........the price difference between a chromax alone......is 32gb of 3600 ram....to complete a kit to 64(16x4)......or being able to fit a auros master or msi quality x570 into your ryzen 9 build.....or step up from a 2060 to a 2070 and so on.....More wiggle room for an ultra wide monitor or a monitor in general etc. I really cant justify essentially throwing away money for returns i could have easily gotten elsewhere in a build.

@hardcorehardware361 4 жыл бұрын

@@anhiirr Totally agree Andola, lets not even mention how terrible CAM is..

@BrianEHanson-ProjectNext 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, I just wanted to say, your videos are among the best in the business. I always learn quite a lot even when I feel I already know all there is to know on a particular topic. You really do a fantastic job and are appreciated very much!! Keep up the good work!!

@keving3083 2 жыл бұрын

Such a good honest and unbiased review. Thank you!

@frankj479 2 жыл бұрын

My AIO stopped working after 1 year due to a pump failure. I'd recommend just getting an air cooler for most gamers who don't feel like dealing with something that's largely out of their control.

@llookktt Жыл бұрын

i’ve had my aio since i built my pc 4 years ago and now out of the blue the pump failed. so now i’m trying to find out which to buy. but i might need a new case if i get an air cooler cause my nzxt case has shit airflow

@logankleinsorge4097 Жыл бұрын

@@llookktt lian li lancool II mesh

@logankleinsorge4097 Жыл бұрын

@@llookktt best airflow case for price, and looks decent

@Meatwad650 4 жыл бұрын

When I chose the D15 I knew that “technically” a CLC was better. But I liked the “failure mode” better than a CLC.

@corndog2181 4 жыл бұрын

And Technical you're right the closed loop cooler is better but not by much considering the dh15 is a very good cooling solution you would only see bigger differences with a custom Loop design which is very expensive and time-consuming considering the maintenance and installation plus the cost and only an idiot enthusiast like me would actually spend that kind of time and money on a custom Loop

@patrickshelley09 4 жыл бұрын

@@corndog2181 Fellow idiot just saying hi. One plus about this pandemic is I've got lots of time to clean out my loop now.

@eniojurko 4 жыл бұрын

IF you can get the parts! And the period while the computer is not operational is beyond painful especially in these times, really wouldn't want to be without computer while this pandemic rages!

@corndog2181 4 жыл бұрын

@@eniojurko I know rite. upgraded rite before the pandemic. got a 3900x for $394 with coupon. I would go crazy without a rig during this.my 4790k@4.7ghz died and I was able to upgrade just before all this happened. got lucky I guess

@corndog2181 4 жыл бұрын

@@patrickshelley09 I got lucky and upgraded my 4790k system that died right before the pandemic. I got a 3900x, x 570Asus Crosshair hero VIII motherboard, Samsung 970 Evo plus 1tb SSD NVMIE M.2, Trident Royal 32GB 3600 megahertz Ram clock at 14 14 14 36timings, I have a 1080 TI EVGA ftw3 clocked at 2050 megahertz all cooled buy a 480 and 360 mm custom loop with D5 pump and d bay Reservoir. I use my old seasonic 1250 watt gold power supply with an old Cooler Master HAF X case. ROG SWIFT Pg278q 1440p 27 inch Asus monitor 144 Hertz. I've been gaming like crazy help fill in the time