It breaks my heart that, from day one, Charles was pleading to everybody for help and nobody listened to him, neither family nor police, and now, here we are...

Lunch date chit chat: “I am a chosen goddess. My adulterous husband is possessed by a demon named Ned.” “Oh wow! How do you know that??” “Because he’s shorter!” “Oooooooh. That makes total sense!” “And I’m done raising my kid. I left him with Ned the demon.” “Ooooooh. OK! Cool.” “…….How about lunch tomorrow where my friend and I will encourage you to leave your family and join our cult?” “Sure! Looking forward to it!” What in the actual f*ck is wrong with these people?

April’s testimony highlights how deeply Melanie Gibb was involved with Lori, her beliefs and persuasions - different to how Melanie portrayed herself in her testimony and in other recordings.

To hear a mother say she is “done” with her son is so deeply disturbing. What a cold and selfish human.

What kind of a mother says “I’m done” with one of her kids?!? If I were April, I would have been stuck on that one comment!!😡

The fact that Lori was a Primary President, someone who is supposed to help, guide and care for children, makes me sick!

"How do you know Charles has been taken over by a demon named Ned?" "He's shorter." "Ohhh okay. Makes sense."

When Lori tells April that "Charles is a zombie, there's a demon in him," then goes on to say that "I'm done with JJ," shouldn't the first thing April had said to Lori be-- "well, if Charles is a zombie demon, why would you ever think of letting JJ go live with a demon?" How could Lori ever justify that if Charles was seriously a demon zombie? That would be quite a hard question for Lori to respond to. It would have torn her narrative in two.

Nate has stated in his videos of the court proceedings that, Lori smiles when she comes into court, chit chats with her attorneys and what have you. First off, I would NEVER even think of doing what she did and I sure as heck wouldn't think it was funny. My Mother always told me ever since I was little, "If you can hurt an animal or a human, then your conscience is seared."

The Gilbert sheriff department fail Charles big time it’s soo sad

These women would be laughed out of the house if they said this in the UK.😂

This is rich people crazy BS. The fact she says her “friend” tells her one day, “yeah I’m leaving my husband bc he is possessed by a demon with a first and last name”.. “wanna go to lunch”. And she goes?? W the F? They are all nuts

How come nobody, not a single person told Lori to go to a psychiatrist because the things she was saying were not sane at all. It blows my mind.

Lori Cox…destroyer of faith and family.

This whole damn case is so bizarre you wouldn’t believe it, if it weren’t unfolding right before your eyes! This stuff CANT EVEN BE MADE UP! I just don’t understand why these people close to Lori and Chad didn’t see that their beliefs had turned downright dangerous and why they didn’t alert the police?? I mean, we’re talking about TWO KIDS here!! And, Charles was the ONLY one to see something was wrong with that picture!!? I just do not get it-

After listening to April’s testimony I am more curious about Melanie Gibb, and her knowledge about some of Lori Vallow’s crimes. Can’t she be charged with something? She only co-operated when the police came knocking at her door. Outrageous.

Wish they would shave Loris hair. I think that would be the only thing you would get a reaction of devastation from her

I’m actually surprised that this person didn’t question more. I think if it were me, I wouldn’t have been able to STOP asking questions.

I believe Zulema and Gibb are Lori’s enablers and knew what was going on. They skated because they needed witnesses to testify! But they are as guilty as sin.

I really do not blame prosecution getting fed up with defense counsel whatsoever. Especially during the exclusionary rule hearing before testimony. That’s more patience than I could have! Edit: she sure runs circles around the defense counsel!!

Why couldn't her Friend just Tell Her That's just Not Normal! That You Need Help! My Lord! ⚖️😭

It’s crazy how lenient these people are with reality… That church is dangerous. IMO

If my friend called me stating her now shorter husband is a demon I would call the police to get her help These delusional religious people believing God came to one man and told him all the rules is insanity

Did she seriously say because he was shorter? I'm older, used to be 5'6, now I'm 5'5. Am I who I think I am? Who am I ?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh for the love!

I know this isn't a popular take, but I think hindsight is blinding us to some unfortunate truths about our justice system. Had April Raymond picked up the phone and called the police after her conversation with Lori, there is not a snowball's chance in hell that she'd have been taken seriously - especially not while everyone was alive and well. It SHOULDN'T be like this. But it is. Charles had way more evidence, he was directly harmed by Lori's actions even prior to his death, and he was still dismissed. And even if the PD in Hawaii where April lived is less carelsss than the Chandler PD, they still wouldn't have acted. "Oh, your friend said some crazy stuff to you over coffee? Big deal." Worst of all is that Lori went and got a psych eval and passed it. There was nothing to hold her before people started dying. Because our rotten justice system is punitive and not preventative - and apparently the same holds true for our scant mental health resources.

i'm just amazed at these people who interacted with this woman who is so manipulative and says such ridiculous outlandish things and they just nodded?? religion generally sucks but i'm starting to think that LDS religion is really off the wall.

I love the videos divided by testimony!!!!! Thank you!!

Ok all this time, I gave Melanie Gibb the benefit of the doubt , but by this witness, Mel Gibb was all up in this just as much as Lori. WOW

Did anyone else lol at "he's shorter"?!?! 😂😂

after watching the Murdaugh trial, I am more and more impressed with the Judge and lawyers in that case.....

The circumstantial evidence in this case is so overwhelming.

Which is exactly what Melanie Gibb did. She left her husband and children. Btw. It ain't cheap, flying back and forth from the mainland to Hawaii and staying in hotels. So...where did Ms Gibb get the money to do so? Hmmm?

So appreciated Nate!

Everyone involved with Lori and her inner circle should be prosecuted. They all could have saved the lives of Charles, Tammy, Tylee, and JJ.

This is so not what followers of Jesus believe.

I see where the defense is going with this, but Lori is an adult with her own mind. Chad may have been the ringleader, but Lori chose to follow the insanity. It doesn't absolve her of anything.

My impression is that the only goal of the defense team was to remove the death penalty as a possibility. They already did this and the evidence is so damning they can do no more.

Thank you. AS always you have covered this case very well.

Poor Charles. He was looking for help everywhere.The police didn't help him either. This self-proclaimed prophets, Gods and Goddesses and chosen one are so dangerous! They have their followers.Scary staff.

What did you say when she told you she is a goddess? Well, after I picked my jaw up off the floor...😮

These people are whack! I feel so bad for Charles, this woman truly needed some mental help and he tried. These kids were so loved, JJ would of had a loving home with Kay & Larry if Lori was done. I bet it kills them to hear this testimony.

Mr. Archibald needs to get a grip. He doesn't like being shot down by the Judge. How many times did he ask the SAME THING in his objection? Sheesh.

Let me cut to the chase: Lori and Chad will be found guilty, they will be remanded into custody, never spending a free day in their miserable lives again. The future is a bleak dark cold prison cell. Bars and cement. Rot Lori & Chad

Am I correct in hearing Lori tells April that Charles is possessed, to leave her kids and join their cult and meanwhile Lori is staying in April's home?? And continues to live there. Was April possibly ready to join Lori? Bizarre.

What a piece of work Lori is. Not enough she destroyed lives in her family she was trying to destroy other families as well.

Lori really sounds like a lovely person prior to Chad. But I absolutely no way do I believe he held such power that she no longer had control of her thoughts, beliefs, and actions.

❤Thank you Nate for all you do. I am in Rochester New York listening to you daily.

The LDS religion does tend to spin off these sub cults.

What?! Lori told April all that stuff the first night she stayed at her house?!!

Anyone in their right mind, friend or not, hearing this crazy, mumbo jumbo, coming out of one's mouth, would totally want to disconnect from this person. Maybe tell them they are delusional, and need help. Her attitude towards Charles and little JJ, was terrible, and sick. She's such a liar too.

I’m wondering if the whole 144 thousand couldn’t bring their kids either 😭

Those poor kids and Charles. I hope in future, people like Charles would be taken seriously. Such strange things happening to people these days.

Archibald's cross-examination was worthless. Just him up there yammering on, regurgitating what she already stated. smh.

While I clearly don’t believe in dark spirits taking over one’s body, I have to say Lori stating that Charles wasn’t Charles any longer and she knew because “he was shorter”-let’s say there was a spirit that took over Charles- he would not become shorter because it would be a spirit in the body, not his physical body. These are the stupidest beliefs and illusions I’ve ever heard of!! 😂 Insane!

Lori is what would be described as a loose woman here in Uk…. That’s the politeness word as I don’t want to be banned from chat.

OMG, Lorie wanted all children associated with this church and her gone. Not just her own but other families including. 😵

Melanie was confirming- that girl can deny believing this crap allll day long but it’s more than clear she DID! I think she knows more too!

How did they come to know the "DEMONS" name. 😂. Did the demon speak to them. Why don't they ever ask this question.

Ah hahaha! She was trying to avoid divorce papers in order to receive the death insurance money after they offed charles

April and Lori’s mom, Janet have some responsibility for the children’s deaths; they saw first hand the delusions and falsehoods in Lori. 😢

Does this woman think she's still a teenager? The vocal fry is unbelievable.

April was a poor friend to Lori and the children.I would hope everyone here would be a support to a "friend" with mental health issues,and if we hear our "friend" speaking delusional,we would act immediately.Don't wait to tell your story to the courts.

This case has really affected me! It is unbelievable. Lori and Chad both had everything. Both had partners who loved them. The grass is never greener on the other side. I believe if Lori and Chad were together today it wouldn't last and Lori would be looking for husband #6.

Soooo many commercials!!!!! At least 6

The way she was taking to all of these people they should have reported her cause she sounds nuts to me if someone would come to me and start talking to me like that I would have her committed to a crazy house it’s unbelievable these people didn’t say anything they all should be arrested period

Interesting how many "demons" lv has run across in her life. Most people never come across even one demon.

When Lori and Tylee showed up to Aprils, is that when Lori took off for 58 days? and why couldn't she continue to stay at the hotel? Where did her money go?

I DID know Lori Vallow.... For clarity, I was quoting April Raymond.

Absolutely some of the most frightening people I've ever heard of! I wouldnt step a toe in said states or speak to anyone involved in this religion.

I was hoping they could ask April a bit more questions on when she declined Loris request to join her, that she also asked Lori to find other living arrangements, and if Lori ever asked April about how Aprils husbands lawsuit against the local hospital was going as very strange that Lori asked April to leave her kids in Feb 2019 and Aprils husb settled with hosp for $700k in March 2019!! Bet Lori and Chad were hoping to get money from April also

For some reason, listening to Mr. Archibald, his voice, makes me dislike him intensely!

Defense is trying to put the blame on Chad

I have a question: It seems none of these women work and go from state to state and have lunches and dinners. Do any of them work?

A "goddess" bahahaha....😂😂😂

So I've been following this case since day one, I've tried very hard to keep an open mind, innocent until proven guilty!!!! however everytime she's on camera, she's smiling, laughing , this lady is in la-la land, we need justice for all that have fallen victim to her and chad.

The monotone questioning put me into a fight to stay awake. Good thing I can rewind.

I have a serious question on my mind that I can’t get passed… How did Lori find out that Charles was now a demon named Ned? 😂

"Previously she didn't have any what you would call out-of-the norm beliefs about Jesus?" "Not from my observation" So at that point she just had the normal Mormon beliefs that Jesus is not one of the persons of the Trinity, but is the first-born spirit child of a heavenly father and a heavenly mother who then was eventually promoted to a deity. And that Jesus visited North America after his resurrection and that his second coming will occur in Missouri. And that all humans can become gods. And that it's not unusual for Jesus or "Heavenly Father" to appear in person to Mormons to provide "revelations" about the future that nobody else knows about, which is why the head of the Mormon church is called the "prophet, seer, and revelator." Just the normal kind of wacky cult beliefs that allow normal people to become convinced that Lori Vallow has been chosen to lead the 144,000 during the second coming and that some people are possessed by demons. The two things are not unrelated.

Lori a Goddess? She now looks like Mr Punch with a wig

OMG!! the evidence is so overwhelming against the demon woman, stop the proceedings Boyce boy and throw her into jail, she isn't crazy but she is delusional about her power and stance in her community

Love hearing from Gigi and Lauren. Thanks ladies!❤

Okay so she thought Charles was a demon and left JJ with him??? The woman is nuts! Cult

The fact that others believed their shit…. Friggin scary. My family or friends would call crisis on me the second i said “demons”. Id be put in a ward and thank them afterwards.

But April doesn't ask if Charles is a zombie why would you send JJ with him??

Tell me why these women all look alike???😜

"I'm not trying to prove he was really possessed by a demon" Not exact words, but that got me

In other words “girlfriend was trippin’” and Melanie Fibb too…

Alex died so conveniently. I wonder if he will be added to the murders being investigated.

Lori, just because you didn’t want to be a Mother anymore, that sure doesn’t mean that ALL other women feel the same and would just Up and leave their school aged children to chase some dreamed up fantasy/belief that was clearly INSANE. All these people hearing from Lori and all her delusions and plans but Charles was the only one who sounded the alarms? Melanie Gibb was too busy thinking of her roll in all of that dreamed up madness to wake up and snap out of it and go to the police to warn them about the lives of those all around them. Folks, this is the craziest bunch of people I’ve seen. The story just keeps on twisting and turning. Will we ever really know the Truth of it all? Can the truth even be believed?

First person to have a brain and say no thank you.

Charles shrank? Really ???

A tad annoying my (and other viewer's) comment on the previous video (which could have been fixed with a simple title card switch instead of a completely new upload to fix the typo on the original) were lost, so here goes again: 😓 Maybe it's just me, but defense attorney Archibald's line of questions is always so odd. First, his question(s) at the beginning of the audio when they are trying to ensure there was no violation of the exclusion of witness/exclusionary rule (that April Raymond was not unduly exposed/influenced by outside sources sharing information about other testimony in the trial before she testified) at 5:37 and 5:50 (“Because of your exposure/connection to this case, you’ve previously provided media interviews before, right?” “Yes.”; “Has the media contacted you to do follow up interviews?” “Objection.”) were, as state’s/prosecuting attorney Smith points out, absolutely out of the scope and very vague. They were also definitely NOT the same as what he later changed the question to at 6:15 after Smith’s objection (“So that was my question - whether being contacted by the media to set up another interview with you, if you’ve been told what’s going on with the case?”). This makes the question at 6:32 even more frustrating - it isn’t relevant whether Raymond is going to give interviews to the media (especially since he didn’t specify in his question WHEN; she’s free to after the trial concludes); it also doesn’t matter that she has given interviews before - even if she hadn't given interviews before the trial, she might/could/would have been contacted after it was revealed she was subpoenaed. The violation of the exclusion of witness/exclusionary rule is concerned with a witness being on the receiving end/being exposed to information that might/would taint his/her testimony before she/he makes it to the stand. It’s not concerned with a witness being the source of info, unless it’s directed at another witness who has not testified yet. Archibald should have asked: “Have you been contacted by the media with requests for interviews?” “Yes.” “Have they directly or indirectly shared information on the current trial with you?” “No.” On to my main point - Archibald seems to lean heavily on questions that have “yes” or “no” answers. They seemed to make up the majority of his cross of Colby Ryan; he also repeats a lot of Smith’s questions. I yelled “150 miles!” “2 hours!” after he asked Kay Woodcock TWICE how far Houston was from Lake Charles and how long the drive was; Smith had also already asked that question just a few minutes ago. Archibald also mostly asked Colby strange, close-ended questions like, “Who taught you about Jesus Christ when you were young?”, “Did she protect you when you were a child?” and “Did your mom teach you the difference between right and wrong?”…etc. I expected more probative questions, but this might be part of a larger strategy for the defense. If it is, it’s thin, IMO - none of these things make a difference, particularly because all the witness testimonies agree that Lori Vallow clearly “changed” AFTER she joined the podcast group. Whether or not she USED to be a “normal”, or “good mom” BEFORE is not being contended. My favorite part was probably 20:51, where Smith’s response made me chuckle - her line of questioning was to establish what Lori said about Charles being “Demon Ned”, not that Melanie’s agreement with her made Lori’s claim… true. 🤣 Finally, I thought it was interesting that Raymond answers the question at 10:28 in the past tense - “Do you know Lori Vallow?” “I did know Lori Vallow, yes.” I don’t know if it was intentional or “Freudian”, but it stuck out to me, considering that she and most of the witnesses probably do feel that the woman they know/thought they knew is certainly not the same person they see in the courtroom. Ironic, considering it was Lori and Chad who were running around accusing people of having changed/gone dark/becoming “zombies”. 🙄

😳 “I’m done with JJ.” And it’s all good leaving him with a possessed demon-man. Oh, OK, hun. I didn't think I could possibly be sickened and shocked any deeply, but somehow it’s happened. LVD = evil incarnate. Truly.

Chad & Melanie better watch out. Lorie is going to let them take the fall.

No , Jahova Witnesses also believe 144,000 are the “chosen”

Ned Snyder... Because demons have nicknames and surnames 😂😂😂😂😂😂

I find it disturbing that so many people are so gullible in the manner of spirituality, I stay on track by knowing that the evil is a liar.

what an emotionally disconnected narcissist to suggest that this mother leave her children.

This is something I don't understand. The jurors know what this case is about, so how can that not be biased when it comes to the children? There is no way I would be able to have an open mind when it involves children being harmed or un-alived.

If anybody was possessed by a demon, it was Laurie and Chad