Listening Test Passive vs Active on Speaker No.1416

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Listening Test Passive vs Active on Speaker No.1416

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In this video I walk through how to quickly change speaker No.1416 from passive to active mode. I include a soundtrack to compare between the two configurations.
I was commissioned to design and build this speaker for a customer who is using it for his personal system. The customer requires a vintage appearance and so this is what I came up with. Despite this, the speaker uses the latest technology from Hypex, ScanSpeak, and Viawave.
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Troy Joseph Crowe is a small business located in Canada. He offers custom audio products such as wood horns and speaker cabinet design. He provides services to either individuals, small businesses, or start-ups. All of his designs are available for personal use in the form of 3D CAD files or CNC G-Code. If using for commercial use then licensing may be required for certain technologies. Joseph Crowe has a background in Mechanical Engineering Technology with extensive experience in both the Audio Industry and the Automotive Industry. All design work is done using SolidWorks 3D CAD modeling software. His focus is on audiophile two-channel music systems for the most accurate sound reproduction.

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@gavaets13 2 жыл бұрын

Passive sounds more realistic. Beautiful job!

@ericlofroos2405 22 күн бұрын

The first one, passive was my favorite. You have an incredible gift. I absolutely love your work. I’m definitely going to reach out to you when I purchase my next system. Thanks for sharing!

@JosephCrowesDIYSpeakerBuilding Күн бұрын

Thank you!

@sjhorton1184 Жыл бұрын

Troy, may I call you Troy? This is one of the best sounding speaker test sound clips I have heard on YT to date, and I heard quite a few. Simply Devine. Such a shame I'm not filthy rich or you would have another order for these already. Going to open a second TY instance of this so I can rapidly switch to see if I can hear a difference or not. Love what you are doing, keep up the great work. Love the design for both the vintage aesthetic as well as the modern touches and how creatively you solved the Active/Passive dilemma. Bravo! OK, did my test and I wouldn't have believed it is I hadn't heard it myself first hand, but there is just the slightest bit more ambience in the passive. I can hear more of the acoustic space so there is actually MORE detail using the passive crossover. Wow. I prefer the passive. It is REALLY close though and I'd be tickled with either one. Do you think that maybe the FA501 is just a better amp and that is the difference? Thanks again.

@donquixote4630 Жыл бұрын

It appears I belong here to a minority that prefers the active setup and I wonder what would be the individual responses if : 1. The active was the first one sampled, and 2. If the labels - "active" and "passive" were in fact misrepresented Most excellent work, bravo !

@m.ionescu3455 Жыл бұрын

Both sound amazing to me, with the first one more forward, like the singer was in the room, and the second one more integrated. Great thing that you may switch modes. Beautiful work!

@fabieneldridge3414 Жыл бұрын

Passive , just sounded Realistic! Could you imagine a pair of those ! Wow

@dl6519 27 күн бұрын

Is it my imagination, or is the passive a little bit louder? My preference is for the passive, but the difference is subtle, as if it's a fraction of a decibel louder. Love your creativity!

@interesting7906 Жыл бұрын

I prefer the passive, much more musical. Active sounds like active system often sound to me: very inorganic and flat. Amazing speakers overall!

@roccobruno8027 Жыл бұрын

Another beautiful design and build. I love the idea of running the speaker in either active or passive as a lot of audio people want to use their own amplifier.

@user-od9iz9cv1w 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sound clip. I enjoy hearing different speakers and set ups. (within the constraints of KZfaq) I find the two very similar. I had a slight preference for the passive, but I have a bias in that direction. I felt it was slightly more realistic.

@simoningram1114 2 жыл бұрын

Me too, passive was ‘better’, more organic to my ears

@marcoterbekke Жыл бұрын

yes, same here: preferred the passive mode. Gotta be honest: expected this to be the active mode..... ;-)

@hardystein114 Жыл бұрын

Congratulations Joseph , great achievement .Superb sounding speaker.

@jked7463 Жыл бұрын

Love the look of it. Beautiful design.

@TDA-AUDIO Жыл бұрын

Only dsp, only triamp, only progress!) great job!

@CABohol Жыл бұрын

Sounds great! 🎚🔊

@craigmoore1194 8 ай бұрын

Wow, beautiful!!!!

@matt12v2 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting maybe I should rethink my active setup lol thanks for sharing

@Alkatross Жыл бұрын

It does sound different, but I'm not sure I could tell in a blind test. The passive sounds less detailed. It also sounds more glued together, as though it was coming through a single full range driver. The active lets you hear the individual drivers, which isn't necessarily a good or bad thing. It might be that the active was a little louder.

@azzolinaaudio5011 Жыл бұрын

I go back to the Naim Audio days and agree with their ethic of using identical amplifiers for active application in all frequency bands. No matter how much I bucked this the proof was consistently in the listening and they were right. Personally I prefer passive line level crossovers but the inductors (as well as other elements) need to be varied with the empirical process and this is spendy and inconvenient...

@ABC-rh7zc 2 жыл бұрын

Would be great to switch between the two videos to hear instant changes

@rickg8015 2 жыл бұрын

Impressive in both cases.. But you really can’t hear much difference between the two Hypex amps.. And it seems you used high quality XO parts for the passive too.. Maybe in actual live listening the passive is less dry sounding and has more air..?

@user-od9iz9cv1w 2 жыл бұрын

I felt the same. I think with a stereo playback we could better hear the nuances of space and air which is where I think the differences might be. Another of my biases is we also would need to see an actual tube amp to bring out the best of these. A plate amp is IMHO a filter removing micro details. Great for bass or subs but not my cup of tea for mids and highs. Again my bias speaking as I run 110w triode mono OTLs.

@mattwellein1829 Жыл бұрын

Great video, Uncle Troy! Those speakers look familiar! 😁

@jked7463 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like the the biamp is clearer most likely due to time alignment. When I did commercial audio design, I would time align the typical dual 15"/horn passive box using an open architecture digital box and get the same improvements in clarity.

@asadabbasmirza9519 Жыл бұрын

Super craftsmanship

@fabieneldridge3414 Жыл бұрын

Those are Beautiful ! Super Job ! 👍🇺🇸

@wellroundedsound2422 Жыл бұрын

Sounds great!!! Not much of a difference between the two. The active sounds bit more forward with bit more bass. It would be interesting to compare both in proper stereo set up to see the effect on the soundstage and imaging.

@jked7463 Жыл бұрын

Looks like an am58 which has its own character. Large difference in bass depending distance (coupling) to source. Also not the most speedy of mics but compliments voices.

@bartvanransbeeck1341 2 жыл бұрын

Difficult to hear difference, both great integrated sound....top

@cdgee6399 10 ай бұрын

When you switched to Active, you took something away from me. A tactic we used to use in HiFi sales in the 80 - 90s 😂 Passive sounds more lifelike.

@CUSTOMWORKS7.3PSD 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know what to say !!!! HOLY SH?T WOW

@ahnenpost5237 Жыл бұрын

The second one (active) to me sounds more clear, calm, free

@n.lyndley.9889 7 ай бұрын

There is no electro-acoustic reason why any passive crossover would sound superior to a well-engineered active system.

@TheRealAudioDidact Жыл бұрын

Passive all the way from me! What is the MSRP of this speaker?

@antoniojoseandreomartinez9710 Жыл бұрын

Like, like, like.

@michaelcorlet2998 Жыл бұрын

Definite diff in inflection of voice. can i say more rasp in act crossover.prefer assive.thanks.

@gregd6022 Жыл бұрын

You can't make such a generalization as "Passive vs Active", esp that Hypax, it's really just a comparison of your two cross overs (amps too). In the general case, given the same amps, an active x-over can be setup to sound identical to the passive (would not pass a double blind A/B test).

@JosephCrowesDIYSpeakerBuilding Жыл бұрын

The title of the video says “…on speaker No.1416”, if I had simply said “passive vs active” then I could understand how a generalization could be implied.

@goranvuk8501 Жыл бұрын

passive

@VitalYFZ Жыл бұрын

Passive sounds much smoother, less clinical.

@freeradical6390 Жыл бұрын

What do you charge for a work of art like that?

@JosephCrowesDIYSpeakerBuilding Жыл бұрын

You can contact me at joseph_crowe@josephcrowe.com

@jeantrivelly 2 жыл бұрын

Can you tell us what is the song ?

@59seank 2 жыл бұрын

Gregory Alan Isakov - San Luis kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bah6arB1tNOwgHk.html There's a Spotify link in this videos description -- I don't have Spotify so I included the KZfaq link.

@jeantrivelly Жыл бұрын

@@59seank Great Thanks !

@59seank Жыл бұрын

@@jeantrivelly You're welcome Jean. Happy listening!

@wellroundedsound2422 Жыл бұрын

Have you heard of Shazam mate? If not download it to your phone (if you have one) and it is pretty accurate to find most music. Cheers!

@philippecharron5276 Жыл бұрын

Did you time align the drivers in the active setup?

@JosephCrowesDIYSpeakerBuilding Жыл бұрын

There was no need to time align via DSP. The step response is perfect.

@Carlos-269 Жыл бұрын

Passive sounded better to me as it sounded more detailed and tangible.

@davehardan8323 Жыл бұрын

Active sounded dull & less real.

@shining31 Жыл бұрын

Active VS passives ?; câbles management for each ways? Sound check on KZfaq? come on.... You can do better than that, this is not a Darko like channel....

@porkchopspapi5757 Жыл бұрын

Maybe he should come to everyone's home.