Literally Me Characters: Men and Misunderstanding Media

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The Book & Movie Guy

The Book & Movie Guy

7 ай бұрын

This video essay covers the concept of "Literally Me" characters, why young men latch on to them, and what that's not actually probably a good thing. I mainly focus on The Driver from Drive, Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver, Tyler Durden in Fight Club, Ken in Barbie, and Patrick Bateman in American Psycho, but get into other movies like Joker, You Were Never Really Here, Nightcrawler, and a little bit of Breaking Bad.
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@Definite_Dave
@Definite_Dave 6 ай бұрын
Thank you, Book and Movie Guy. I just cancelled my semi-monthly shipment of crisp, white, eggshell finish business cards.
@thanus6636
@thanus6636 4 ай бұрын
They’re not eggshell, they’re bone 🍷
@darlalathan6143
@darlalathan6143 Ай бұрын
Yeah, those are boring! I prefer some color in mine because I'm an artist, not a New York stockbroker in the '80s!
@Deadeye313
@Deadeye313 Ай бұрын
Amateur, get a watermark if you really want to be taken seriously....
@louisjackson2798
@louisjackson2798 2 ай бұрын
I feel like another problem exacerbating the "literally me" phenomenon is that seemingly fewer and fewer people interact with media in a critical way. The reason I find many of these characters compelling is because you can understand and empathize with how they got there, and they force you to examine the parts of yourself that, left unaddressed, could lead you to becoming literally them. However because many people interact with media on a surface level, these "literally me" guys end up missing the point that many of these films function as a cautionary tale.
@getriebenesauge9683
@getriebenesauge9683 Ай бұрын
well from what societal norm is the caution spoken? if it isnt one that seems worth striving to, why should one take the promise of certain behaviours leading to certain places as "bad" or "scary"? it all comes down to the liberation of men from the moral expectations of women via the liberation of women from economic dependency on men.
@san-t7700
@san-t7700 6 ай бұрын
Ok, but hear me out- *I drive*
@ThyFloorestFloor
@ThyFloorestFloor Ай бұрын
Wouldn't that make you-- *A Driver*
@beccangavin
@beccangavin 2 ай бұрын
I want a “You are Ken-nough” shirt so I can reassure just everyone that sees me that they are Ken-nough.
@samf.s.7731
@samf.s.7731 2 ай бұрын
Your students are very fortunate to have you as their teacher. In fact, we're honestly very lucky to have any teachers working today at all since they're really underpaid and are now being censored for teaching children about the real world, and how to deal with it in a manner that ensures their safety. As opposed to just hiding the truth, rewriting history, and hoping that any and all problems would just... Evaporate.
@eddie2379
@eddie2379 6 ай бұрын
Literally me Ryan Gosling Blade Runner just cause I’m depressed
@thebookmovieguy
@thebookmovieguy 6 ай бұрын
Real
@archpuke
@archpuke 6 ай бұрын
Gonna start using Killmonger as my new literally me character. Thanks book and movie guy
@darlalathan6143
@darlalathan6143 Ай бұрын
LOL!
@richyrodriguezberezov2052
@richyrodriguezberezov2052 6 ай бұрын
The men don't usually understand these types of characters are a warning of what you don't want to become. Patrick is completely void of anything and he is in constant suffering and he tries to fill that void with killing and expensive things but he will always be alone, Thomas Shelby has a lot of money yet in every season tha losses surpass the wins, his ambition became his downfall he first receive the beating of his life by the Sabini men, then they killed his wife, and then his brother, he is developing Schizophrenia surly and his son won't have a normal life and everything because his dad never has enough. Don't become this, love your partner and your son if you have one. Bring stability and comfort not chaos and confrontation.
@aes0p895
@aes0p895 2 ай бұрын
You're right, but that assumes one is inclined to agree with the subtext of a film or story. While I don't want to 'defend' the types of ppl who read the Taxi Driver char or The Joker as justified, if I were to watch a film produced by Ben Shapiro, I wouldn't feel any kind of compulsion to agree w/ his subtext, in fact I might feel the opposite. Same goes for certain ppl when they watch mainstream Hollywood.
@aes0p895
@aes0p895 Ай бұрын
@@levilivengood4522 I totally agree with this, and it was actually sort of my point. Not sure where you're getting the "media illiteracy" from, but I didn't even suggest that.
@javierpupo8042
@javierpupo8042 2 ай бұрын
I think the one common denominator amongst all men is the need to be useful. I discovered this when thinking about a game called Slay the Princess and how its a love story. Its very easy to love princesses because they are obviously beautiful but also usually depicted needing something and we either watch them earn it or see a man help them in some way. Men also crave to serve kings and armies at times too, and when Ken in Barbie felt like his existences was lacking purpose, he wanted to make himself useful by assisting Barbie in her quest for meaning too. Men turn bitter and cold when they have no outlet for their unmet capabilities, no journey to travel, no friends to share the spoils with, no love to share their beds with. To feel useless is to feel unmanly for many/ if not all men.
@DimaRakesah
@DimaRakesah Ай бұрын
I think most people want to feel needed in some way, it's part of wanting to feel connection to other people. In that respect, we're more similar than we may realize. However, different genders (and cultures and other factors) tend to be socialized towards certain life goals that may or may not actually be what the individual themselves wants, needs, or is capable of. In that respect it can help to detach from those expectations and ask yourself "Do I actually want this? If so, why?" and kind of untangle things from there. Sometimes I think it is achieving an expectation that often people chase, so even if they achieve it, the happiness never really appears. You see that a lot in movies. A character is chasing something because they have been led to believe it will bring them happiness, but it never does. Other times movies play into this trope, how often does the guy "get the girl" at the end and it's a happily ever after ending? Reality is of course not really like that, but it still reinforces the idea that "getting the girl" (as one example) brings happiness, rather than asking what relationships are actually good for us, or if the guy is even in the right situation to have a healthy long term relationship in the first place.
@aes0p895
@aes0p895 2 ай бұрын
I actually will point out that Killmonger specifically was definitely 'literally me' among multiple of my black male friends. In fact, I kinda fell into that slightly myself. More testament to the idea that the film had some level of moral grey area, which is a good thing. But your point is sound anyway.
@PutkisenSetä
@PutkisenSetä 2 ай бұрын
If I airdropped you a plasma rifle, would your first instinct be to start a civil war? If Black Panty lost the fight, Killymanjaro woulda found his precious community shooting at garbage cans or hiding that shit so they can sell it to the government later. Enterprising guys would be buying them in bulk from whoever specifically to cash in. That movie should have ended with a multiracial block party hoarding every single tin of beans they can get their hands on just so they can shoot something without a fuss. Because that's what'd happen. A burning mattress would catch any shots you miss. What a dumb plan.
@Cosmik_Horror
@Cosmik_Horror Ай бұрын
Possible controversial opinion: I felt they had a female Asian literally me in Shang-Chi. His sister is a warning to angry Asian girls who have emotionally distant fathers who favor their sons.
@aes0p895
@aes0p895 Ай бұрын
​@@Cosmik_Horror Thanks for that. Is it any good? I mostly stopped watching Marvel a couple years ago, but maybe I'll give it a watch.
@IshtarNike
@IshtarNike Ай бұрын
Personally I think the killmonger situation should be a separate video/issue. I dislike it when they give a character a very very good point but they make him "evil" just by making him go too far with it. Because despite what the film makers may argue, it often then discredits his entire point for the audience even though he was actually mostly right. Especially when it comes to wider racial or social justice issues. Characters like killmonger are very different to characters like Patrick Batmane or even the Joker in the recent film.
@chaoticgood12
@chaoticgood12 2 ай бұрын
This but with Watchmen’s Rorschach. The problem with Watchmen fans is that it’s hard to use him as a litmus test because he’s the best written character in it and arguably the protagonist, so he’s literally everyone’s favourite character. You just can’t tell the difference between people who think he’s a wonderful _character_ but would an absolute shitshow of a person if he were real, and people who wish he was real and that they were him. Similar to Patrick Bateman actually, now that I think about it.
@alicefreist318
@alicefreist318 2 ай бұрын
It is DISTURBING how often I hear people praise the Bateman character as if he is a positive role model. Instead of seeing a lonely monster as a warning, instead of recognizing he is enacting self-destruction because he does not know how to care, Bateman's cool and distance are revered as a goal to emulate. It makes me feel like vomiting when I hear it!
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin Ай бұрын
​@alicefreist318 Calling them lonely monsters are perhaps one of the reasons people like them exist in real life. Perhaps instead of making them even lonelier, people should try to empathise a little
@Fudobi
@Fudobi Ай бұрын
​​@@The-Allfather-Odinthey called Patrick bateman a lonely monster, not the people, and is he not? he ate people just to feel in control of his life
@user-zl9sh9mz6h
@user-zl9sh9mz6h 2 ай бұрын
Whenever I see JarJar step in the poopy, I always think, "That is LITERALLY me!".
@hollypixie4285
@hollypixie4285 Ай бұрын
It was a total shock to me when, at age 18, I started gushing about how much I liked Fight Club, and then when someone said they liked it too and I started in on "it was such a mindf*ck how the narrator disintegrated himself and denied the negative effect that the world was having on him to the point of him MAKING UP a whole other person to shoulder that dark side of himself" and I got a total blank stare. It's so strange to me how people saw Tyler Durden as a GOOD GUY for some unfathomable reason, I guess because he was played by a good looking actor or something. Like, wait, you weren't struck by the fact that the narrator, the goodie two shoes, remained nameless throughout the whole story? That we knew more about his damned apartment than we knew about the guy whom the story was supposed to be about? Did you not get the point that if you do not think about who you are and what life means to you that at best, capitalism will define you, and at worst, you will be defined by your worst impulses and thoughts? BRUH where can we get more English teachers like you???
@EvilWeiRamirez
@EvilWeiRamirez 2 ай бұрын
This is my favorite channel right now. My kids are going to hate me because I'm going to give them like 5 videos to watch, but it'll do them well to think about these things
@user-mo7si4eh9m
@user-mo7si4eh9m 2 ай бұрын
Dudes need to start abiding more like Jeff Lebowski. Fuck it dude, lets go bowling
@aes0p895
@aes0p895 2 ай бұрын
I think The Joker in particular encourages the 'literally me' thing because the actions are never shown in a negative light. At the end of the film, The Joker (and vicariously the audience) are reveling in the murder and subsequent chaos. There's no sober moment where the reality of how Arthur behaves is shown as actually bad. That stands in stark contrast to Taxi Driver, imo. Another great essay. Could use some visual improvements though; the text is very dark and hard to read for some reason for example.
@samf.s.7731
@samf.s.7731 2 ай бұрын
I definitely agree with most of what you're saying... But I feel like an audience should deduce that this man is not only mentally afflicted, but has committed serious crimes. I am surprised that some people think he's a hero rather than a protagonist. It sure does say a lot about them.
@aes0p895
@aes0p895 2 ай бұрын
@@samf.s.7731 Well, you have to keep in mind that not all violence is created equal. No one is going to watch Die Hard and come away thinking McClaine is a villain, for example. I think in many cases, the overall theme or 'moral' can be obscured, and that's often a good thing, but in the case with these types of narratives, it feels like a miss to not be a bit more indicative. It would only take a couple edits to make Taxi Driver a lot more ambiguous.
@vaporsaver
@vaporsaver 2 ай бұрын
Do we need to go back to the strict hollywood codes of old hollywood? We need the film to explicitly state bad people and bad actions are wrong and should be punished? When movies couldnt end without the good guys winning? Are people actually regressing and can't perceive what's being depicted without getting beaten over the head? That's troubling. Who actually thinks Joker is a hero? People can acknowledge he is depicted tragically, but Im gonna give people the benefit of the doubt and say they dont think he's justified or right in the end. It's memes, jokes. Charismatic or interesting villains are fun to be fans of for many, doesnt mean most people actually identify with them or idolize them. "Griffith did nothing wrong" is a joke. "Thanos was right" is a joke.
@aes0p895
@aes0p895 2 ай бұрын
@@vaporsaver It's not like the Joker is remotely subtle in its messaging. Also, you can go ahead and give ppl the benefit of the doubt if you want, but I'm going to take their actual word for it and go by what they say, which is in many cases that the Robert De Niro character had it coming. Same goes for Falling Down and many other of the movies mentioned here. Did you even watch the video?
@mir4924
@mir4924 2 ай бұрын
The Joker was justified in his actions and he did nothing wrong.
@user-kh6vx9yf9v
@user-kh6vx9yf9v 2 ай бұрын
I'm a woman but I admit I identify with many of these characters from Holden Caulfield to Rorschach to Arthur Fleck. For me I think it has a great deal to do with believing Isince my childhood in rural NY in the 70s and 80s that as a bisexual and someone bullied as fat and ugly I couldn't be a"real" woman or anything resembling heroic which made me identify deeply with anti-heroes and villians.
@user-kh6vx9yf9v
@user-kh6vx9yf9v 2 ай бұрын
Many of the female characters I identify with are similar- witches, madwomen, victims who seek vengance. If I had a "literally no" it would be Carrie White.
@stevenolivas7262
@stevenolivas7262 6 ай бұрын
I think it's crazy that people unironically want to emulate a character like Tommy Shelby. He's a character burdened with regrets and is ravaged by ptsd.
@micejoint132
@micejoint132 6 ай бұрын
they dont want to be him they relate to him so much that they feel that they "literally are him" hence the name
@odlfmariner470
@odlfmariner470 4 ай бұрын
His past made him grow into the person he is in the show, nothing wrong with "emulating" someone like him.
@calebharris7568
@calebharris7568 Ай бұрын
@@odlfmariner470yeah except like the murder I’d say one shouldn’t emulate that
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin Ай бұрын
Better than being a complete nobody that lives their lives serving others.
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin Ай бұрын
​@@calebharris7568why?
@davidbjacobs3598
@davidbjacobs3598 2 ай бұрын
On "You Were Never Really Here" (great movie), it's also worth noting that the violence is shot very differently than these other films. It is violent, don't get me wrong, but the violence is not cool. It's awkward and uncomfortable and a struggle. There's nothing glamorized in that. It sits more comfortably with films like The Irishman or Blue Ruin in that sense, and I don't see those films coming up in these discussions either (even though their plots sound like they could). Also worth noting that "You Were Never Really here" was directed by a woman.. although then, I suppose so was American Psycho haha.
@Goose2001
@Goose2001 6 ай бұрын
Actually I like Literally Me characters because they are literally me
@gandolphgandolphini
@gandolphgandolphini 2 ай бұрын
I've basically been rocking the Killmonger haircut for a couple years now. It's somewhere between Killmonger and the Goth kid on South Park who likes to flip his bangs and pout "Conformists" at people. The first time I noticed it, I haven't stopped doing the hair flip myself. Literally me. Lololol
@unovasfinest2623
@unovasfinest2623 2 ай бұрын
Damn. Stumbled on a gem. You deserve more subs
@DesertIslandDisk
@DesertIslandDisk 20 күн бұрын
13:19 I had such a viceral reaction when you said “because women are in them now.” There’s this new guy in training at my job, and, to pass time, we were watching a twitch streamer play “Control.” He suddenly says, “what is it with so many games having female leads?” There was no reason for bringing it up, but his reasoning behind the statement was because, even though he knows a woman that’s a highly decorated military officer, he said he’s “beaten her in a fight,” therefore he thinks women are less capable of being…leads in video games? He also almost slipped in saying “men are superior” but quickly said “stronger” instead. The inability to see anything wrong with that and where that line of thinking leads is incredibly concerning.
@simonmacomber7466
@simonmacomber7466 2 ай бұрын
As a man who loves cinema and reading novels I watched this video with trepidation because I'm afraid that any "KZfaq Movie Reviewer" that looks like you is going to be a Movie Bro. Thank you for convincing me otherwise. I'm now subscribed.
@vernonchow2032
@vernonchow2032 2 ай бұрын
The John Cusack character in High Fidelity was the one I thought was literally me. The Edward Norton character in Fight Club, and thr Cusack character in Being John Malkovich also spoke to me. Those three movies from 1999-2000 speak about identity in the modern world finding an identity beyond being a drone in a cubicle (Office Space and the Matrix were 1999 too) and writing your own destiny rather than just sucking on the teat of consumerism. I think Fight Club in the context of movies which weren't treated similar thenes without violence means something different than it does after Walter White and Tony Soprano and all the "escape modernity through redemptive violence" genre. After meeting the Italian mobster, Durden's homework is "you are going to start a fight, and you are going to LOSE the fight." Which is another scene people tend not to quote. I never read the book, but I always thought it was interesting that Palahniuk was gay. There was a movement called homomasculine in Castro in the 70s snd 80s that tends to be underrepresented among the "gay best friend of a straight girl" archetype in TV and movies. After the Cuban Revolution, Fidel Castro wanted gays in Havanna to be subjected to military discipline and stop being so effeminate, and some of that occurred on Castro Steet in San Francisco; but with gay men as the drill sargeants and NCOs. The club culture allowed homomasculine men to explore male sexuality and violence without being limited by women's lib assumptions about an inescapable coercive or exploitive subtext. In My Own Private Idaho, there's a scene in which the male hustlers on the cover of gay skin mags start to talk start to come alive and dialog with each other, creating a story different than the one people might project onto the female hustlers in movies like American Psycho of Taxi Driver. In some ways I suspect Palahniuk was the heir to ideas about traditional maculinity passed down from the Greeks, which straight men in my generation were already being told were toxic and pathological, and which boys in high school today probably lack any exposure to outside of violent movies.
@michaelvanderlaan5629
@michaelvanderlaan5629 2 ай бұрын
You don't need to spend hours in the gym, have a personal trainer or follow a highly specialised diet to be mildly lean and muscular, you could attain that physique by training 3-4 times per week following a solid program and eating a healthy diet.
@hbeachley
@hbeachley Ай бұрын
I love Alan! My favorite part of Barbie. My best friend (who is also an English teacher!) dressed up as Alan for Halloween, and that made me love him just a little bit more.
@miss.lakill
@miss.lakill 2 ай бұрын
Lol. At the ripe old age of 16, I wanted to be as cool as Tyler Durden with women. As badass as Rorschach. And the Joker was my FAVORITE villain. I ate that impotent rage and frustration up because that's exactly how I felt. (Even though I was a teenage girl.) Thankfully at some point in my deep dive down the manosphere I realized with disappointment the rules were different for women. I REALLY wanted to be an alpha male for a bit there. 😂 But now I've come to realize what I identified with was being othered. And the desire to have an impact on the world. Seeing yourself in the struggle of fictional anti-heroes, and vicariously enjoying the idea of justice through their *questionable* behaviour is absolutely valid. And probably even formative for some people. I think it just takes exposure to further conversations on the material and maturity to channel it in a healthier way. A lot of "literally me" people probably do know where fiction ends and reality begins. We just dont give young people, specifically, enough credit-try to guide them too heavily and quickly. Then it stops being an exploration. And, starts feeling a lot more like a dismissal of the feelings that drew them to that character in the first place.
@artemys5197
@artemys5197 Ай бұрын
But as stated in the video the focus here was more on adults..... It's more than ok to have a fase like that in your teenage years! You're discovering new things and trying to find yourself and as you said the catharsis can be really good. But then you think more about it, analyse more your reading and understand more of what the story is trying to tell. That's why me and many people are more inclined to give a "pass" to teenagers going through that phase. You try to make them think more about what the film/book is trying to say, and they can appreciate and feel themselves in the character/s while also taking an interest in the themes and messages. As stated in the video the "literally me" """"""movement"""""" focus on the character ignoring their (I should say his because it's basically all men) context. And while for teenagers that are still developing media literacy, for adults to think like that is.... Strange to say the least. Because usually they don't grow out of it by themselves and they make it their whole personality (which again with teenagers is another thing they're literally creating their personality at that moment
@miss.lakill
@miss.lakill Ай бұрын
@@artemys5197 I've been watching the sequel series to Camp Cretaceuous with my partner who adores dinosaurs. Its for children? But, they cover grief, death, betrayal. Survivors guilt. Complex relationships. Overcoming anxiety and a ton of other topics incredibly well. So, I feel like the younger generations may end up okay if we give them time to mature. Even if our current adults are having a hard time. Media that doesn't talk down to younger kids while being relatable and easier to access is becoming normal. Which bridges the gap between Fairly Odd Parents and READ 80 PAGES OF THE CHRYSALIS. My theory for why so many people never move "past" the teenager phase is that it's fairly rare for parents to practice media literacy at home. And school is kind of a terrible place for developing a love of learning. Most students that do well at it developed the habits at home. Or excel at reading what the teacher wants. So, the people that aren't naturally seeking out learning opportunities fall behind. And learn to hate learning. Booktoks that encourage people to read literally anything. KZfaq video essays and people getting excited about Bluey. Frame it as entertainment. Which sucks in the anti-learnign crowd. Basically, I just don't think it's reasonable to expect school to work for everyone. Even if you tell them they'll end up living in a van down by the river. Some people just have to learn as adults. Because the system is not set up for everyone to learn at the same pace.
@oddiocurtiss
@oddiocurtiss 6 ай бұрын
I think this quote kind of sums up the idea. "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H. L. Mencken I think many of us are tempted by the allure of rage-fueled vengeance. These movies tap into that temptation. I think we are supposed to see ourselves in these characters. And more so to see the futility of falling into said temptation. It ultimately fails to change anything significanly and you get nothing but maybe a sense of catharsis. It's a shallow, false victory. I, personally, find it much more fulfilling to struggle, grow, and achieve despite sometimes feeling like the world itself is fighting me at every step and that most people around me are apathetic to my plight. (Btw, thanks Greg, for showing an interest in my writing) Sometimes there is a little William Foster from Falling Down in all of us that is fed up and just wants to go ballistic. But part of being a man, or rather being a human being is learning to harness our natural aggression for creation rather than destruction--taming the violence inside and reforming it into passion that can be used to enrich ourselves and the world. And I'm not just reiterating some tired out platitude like "be kind to each other" or "the world needs more love". I'm talking about finding a healthy outlet for your rage. Using aggression not to harm, but to achieve. I believe that the best way to fight oppression, real or perceived, is to thrive in spite of it. And that goes for everyone, not just the "literally me film bros". And this is coming from me, a white trash trailer park boy struggling just to pay the rent and buy groceries who is trying to make a name for himself by writing stories.
@thebookmovieguy
@thebookmovieguy 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I get what you mean 100 percent. I linked the video which talks about "the shadow self" in the description, and you should check it out if you haven't- it covers this very idea pretty neatly. I agree, too. The best way to channel rage or anger or anything like that is through creation or art in some capacity. I think you touching on anger as a result of being surrounded by apathy is important, too- especially when taking art into consideration. It sucks to pour everything- good and bad energy- into art/creation, and to view art or creation as the ultimate purpose or fulfillment/solution to all problems, and have people around you just shrug or, worse, not get it. I can't say what it's like for you, but for me this what results in what I mentioned as not fitting in with most people in general, but more specifically other dudes. Thriving in spite of circumstances is definitely a huge part of combating oppression in a number of ways. I wish you the best Curtiss. You're not the only one out here on the grind up from nothing- I feel you. And thank you for letting me in on your writing, even though, yes, I am a slacker and move at a snail's pace. I am moving, though- just cracked her again open today 😎
@ascendantjustice1173
@ascendantjustice1173 6 ай бұрын
Lmao you are right. Thus I've resorted to blacksmithing and medieval armored combat to quench my aggression. Beating steel into beautiful blades is awesome and also fighting opponents in real medieval armor with blunt steel weapons is also fun and invigorating.
@replabjohn1
@replabjohn1 2 ай бұрын
I dunno, man. I think anger gets a bad rap sometimes. It's like song says: "Anger is an energy"*. What kind of anger is it? Is it the kind of random, directionless anger that just has you trashing the environment around you? Or is it the kind of cold, focussed fury that lets you destroy the evils and inequalities you see in the world and replace them with something better? It's like the difference between an explosion in a fireworks factory and one in the chamber of a gun. The opposite of anger isn't love. It's apathy and indifference. * The song in question being "Rise" by Public Image Limited. Worth a listen if you haven't heard it.
@alicefreist318
@alicefreist318 2 ай бұрын
Hey! I'm right here behind you, supporti g what you believe in because it's 1) correct, 2) true, and 3) I'll die if I lose this positivity and give in to either the apathy or darkness. You have people, and I am one of them. Keep writing!
@theweirdwaterwizard9648
@theweirdwaterwizard9648 Ай бұрын
​@@replabjohn1 While i see what you mean, but i would equate anger (and most emotion) as eletricity, anger can the felling of injustice can be used as a motivator for comunity building and to fight for right in a not nessesceraly violent way.
@hlf3769
@hlf3769 2 ай бұрын
Mr. Robot... is the better version of fight club, Elliot goes to THERAPY and is a good person
@christheBlindSocialist
@christheBlindSocialist 2 ай бұрын
I don't disagree w/ any of this, but I think there's a point being missed in Joker. What happens when society has no interest in change for the better? What if none of the politicians are interested in anything more than their own wealth & status? You can't vote your way out of that scenario. That doesn't mean we need a Joker-like figure. I agree he's not about change for the better. Just violent retribution - tho, at the same time, I can't bring myself to feel any sympathy for DeNiro's character.
@minalabani5562
@minalabani5562 2 ай бұрын
i love that you are a teacher and are also making such fascinating videos on film and its intersections with capitalism and masculinity and misogyny! i think its engaging content like yours regarding modern meme trends that help improve film literacy and media literacy. i’m excited to watch more:) also: i love how you are reading rather than memorizing the script and looking at the camera- your style feels more natural.
@jman9082
@jman9082 6 ай бұрын
honestly excellent video, was engaged the entire time and completely understand/agree with what you are trying to say. you’ve got talent my friend, keep it up
@oddiocurtiss
@oddiocurtiss 6 ай бұрын
Finally, you slacker! 😂 I've been waiting for this
@Lucas-zz4es
@Lucas-zz4es 2 ай бұрын
Dude. Have you considered running a "book and movie" book club? I will happily sign up. Thanks for the breath of fresh air your channel is
@urlauber2884
@urlauber2884 2 ай бұрын
I really love this breakdown. It's very compassionate and thorough. I don't entirely agree with your points about barbie but the rest was great. I think Killmonger feels too real to be a literally me Character. His point is way more nuanced than most literally me's and he reflects in the end, which kills the fantasy.
@Jargoed
@Jargoed 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely amazing take tbh
@jo_helaci
@jo_helaci 2 ай бұрын
This analysis is superb.
@sumerianliger
@sumerianliger Ай бұрын
Ken doesn't just feel put upon, he really is marginalized. The character is a stern warning to young men that basing your self worth on other people's approval or whims is dangerous.
@rodrigomachado5291
@rodrigomachado5291 2 ай бұрын
Apart from the well-constructed and deep analysis of the art and audience, I also identified a lot with your personal perception and feelings on this subject. It was only recently that I found that people actually identified with the American Psycho dude, and I still don't get how it's popular to say you identify with psychopaths and such, in public.
@I_Hate_Atom_Eve
@I_Hate_Atom_Eve 6 ай бұрын
Ok then, so how are we supposed to deal with our emotions of discontent and anger in a way where we dont lash out at society? Voting for one party or another makes no difference because both parties don't really care that much about the people. The only solution i can see is by working in government institutions to actively change the system and society.
@ihavenoideawhatgoeso
@ihavenoideawhatgoeso 6 ай бұрын
Unironically get involved in local action. Do something that makes you feel useful and like you’re doing something tangible. Things like volunteering or grassroots political action. Also trying to have fulfilling personal friendships and relationships.
@InterplanarerPennersoeldner65
@InterplanarerPennersoeldner65 2 ай бұрын
And what if no one wants you around because people deem you inept, ugly and/or socially awkward in general? I got involved with the "academic leftist" crowd once in my country for a brief time and they​ basically told me, "that Im too stupid" And other times I was being pushen around. Yep, Im a real loser. So Im unwanted by the side Im supposed to support. What do I do? @@ihavenoideawhatgoeso
@jesjr8245
@jesjr8245 2 ай бұрын
Well spoken and incredibly though provoking
@hitonyyy3943
@hitonyyy3943 26 күн бұрын
i love listening to you talk! please make more videos like this lol
@UndergroundRose
@UndergroundRose 2 ай бұрын
I just gotta say, you are dead wrong about Gary. He hates Star Wars and Marvel now, solely, because of the trash-tier storytelling.
@Will-wb6xl
@Will-wb6xl 2 ай бұрын
great video!
@katbar8083
@katbar8083 Ай бұрын
I wanna write stuff for jason todd, and this feels like a great resource to get in his head. Thanks!
@not._zian
@not._zian 2 ай бұрын
This video is incredddddible , made me think alot and put thoughts I had into words better than I couldve ! If you see this comment I was wondering about your views on the artists role in dispelling and combating harmful readings of their characters or work when they become rampagnt . On one hand I feel like these readings are always absolutly bonkers and dispell themselves bc litterly how do you read american physco and romancize bateman , or come out of the secret history wishing to meet a man like henry , but then I go on social media and soooo many people do and sometime these phenomna will spiral and start very very dangerous trends and ways of thinking (ok the immediate example I can think off was It ends with us setting out to start discussions on how pop romance tends to idealise abuse and this makes readers dismiss and belittle actual survivors but then ended up being the first domino in a longg chain of horrendous "dark" romance books that get really popular but highkey even the author herself dismisses real victims later in her life so idk but i still think the actual book didnt aim to do that yk) and at that point does the author have an obligation to say something? Would it even matter if they did?
@thebookmovieguy
@thebookmovieguy 13 күн бұрын
Hey, thanks! Great question and one I've been struggling with a lot lately, largely due to comments on one of my other videos regarding J.K. Rowling. I guess my thoughts are two parts. My initial thought is that I'm kind of an insufferable "Death of the Author" bastard and generally think that the less creators say about their work the better, largely because at some point they're bound to muddy the waters and say something problematic or stupid. However, in a way this is good, because then it allows people who only want to consume ethical media to stop supporting creators who are unethical. The problem, I feel, is when we start using an arbitrary code of "Ethics" to gatekeep what is or is not valid or watchable "art." My second thought, though, is that I think it's important for authors to speak out about clarification when their work is being misinterpreted in a way that causes harm. Your example of "American Psycho" is great- I can't conceive why anyone would want to be Bateman, yet people do. The problem with Brett Easton Ellis or Mary Harron saying "hey, stop idolizing a murderer and wanting to be like him- you're missing the point-" is that most audience members fetishizing that character probably don't care what the creators have to say, especially if it doesn't support what they (the audience misunderstanding said work) already feels about that work or character. I think it's must more important for a creator to come out with guidance when they have a fanbase which is actively engaged with THEM, and not just the content- think like a Taylor Swift, or something. However, if artists don't handle this in a tactful way, all they manage to do is push people already on the margins out of the picture entirely, and make them think they have to self isolate in echo chambers and disengage with content they're being told is incompatible with their worldview. Yikes, that was a lot. Let me know if that didn't make sense.
@RunnyElephant44
@RunnyElephant44 4 ай бұрын
We understand the point its just hard to fit in a copy of a copy of a copy
@jackevans5854
@jackevans5854 2 ай бұрын
Great argument, however, there’s something inside me (it’s hard to explain)
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin Ай бұрын
The problem isn't the people connecting with these characters It's why they are doing so. The problem is society, and we need to recognize it is broken beyond repair.
@Psycoticsheriff
@Psycoticsheriff 6 ай бұрын
Great video man, literally me 👌
@lilyandere3439
@lilyandere3439 2 ай бұрын
It's not a good idea to put dark text on dark background. Very hard to read
@GIaucoma
@GIaucoma 6 ай бұрын
Where’s the Barbie edit where he discovers literally me edits in the going up the escalator scene, someone did a video essay and featured it recently but I think it got deleted I can’t find that shut
@GIaucoma
@GIaucoma 6 ай бұрын
Kino corner
@alakabambram8436
@alakabambram8436 2 ай бұрын
Haven't watched the video yet but I am literally Paul Muad'dib Atreidies
@Tellmewhoiiam
@Tellmewhoiiam 6 ай бұрын
Awesome video man. You gained a sub. I was looking for a decent video on this topic and could only find a few. Yet I found tons of videos/shorts on the praise/idolization of these types of characters. With men in the comments cheering and looking up to these characters (with some taking jabs on women or “woke” culture etc etc). 4 or 5 years ago I too thought of these characters in the same way as these kids/young men and even older adult men now do. I agree it is extremely concerning. You explained it very well, and I really enjoyed your view of the Ken/Barbie movie. It even gave me a new perspective on the character Allan and it made me respect him more. I think it’s important that these young men know that what they feel is valid, normal and mostly perfectly fine, but looking up to these characters that act out in extreme/violent ways is not okay. All it does is feed the machine and like you said, makes them apart of the problem. I’m not a perfect man but I’m trying to be better. Life is hard and shit sucks. But the things these characters do and lashing out in those ways is not the solution. Idk, rant over. I hope the men that got defensive in this comment section take a second to reflect and actually think about the point you’re trying to make. Thanks for making this video and thanks for giving me something to think about
@thebookmovieguy
@thebookmovieguy 6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! I'm glad you liked the video. I'm really glad you mentioned how much pro/admiring LM content is out there. There's very little analyzing it from the opposing critical angle outside of just satire and memes. That was part of what concerned me and spurred the making of this video. Another thing I find really important is your note on being of the same mindset a few years ago. I was never fully down the pipeline, but when I was a teenager and I dabbled in more than my fair share of "LIBERAL FEMINIST GETS OWNED!!" content and similar rage bait against "woke" stuff. I think there's a huge overlap between that content and idolizing these types of characters. I eventually grew out of it, like you, and I think most dudes will, but that doesn't happen unless there's alternative content there for guys to turn to and positive/open and critical ways of discussing all of this. I wasn't really expecting to catch heat on this video, but in hindsight I'm not surprised at the hate and should have expected it. However, I also feel like they just sort of prove the point. I completely understand your point on not being perfect but trying to be better. All we can do is keep trying every day to know a little more and understand a little more than yesterday, even though yeah, it's hard and shit sucks most of the time. I guess it's just important to meet people where they are and be patient. Thanks for the sub and the comment. I really appreciate it! Hang in there brother.
@TripleRoux
@TripleRoux 2 ай бұрын
It's the same with Walter White from Breaking Bad. Thinking that the "I am the one who knocks"-moment is somehow a triumphal one. And the disgusting hate that the actress playing Skyler got because she was the awful b**** standing in the way of his supposed greatness. It's absurd...
@thebookmovieguy
@thebookmovieguy 2 ай бұрын
Perfect example
@LoafingMushroom
@LoafingMushroom 2 ай бұрын
The Thanos snap is literally me.
@antoniocunha3912
@antoniocunha3912 Ай бұрын
Thank you very much for your insights, in special concerning the need to be present as possible in relation to become aware of other's emotions and feelings, one of my greatest limits as a 65-years old Brazilian man. New things to learn from here. Things I admit I need very much. My literally Me character? I am sorry to say, Samuel Sterns from that January 1963 Tales To Astonish comic book edition, after a gradually growing intake of Ritalin as prescribed by a psychiatrist. Not good, I agree, but it was still far worse before, no doubt. And for the record, this world largely deserves - and needs - its share of weirdos around.
@bascoaful
@bascoaful 2 ай бұрын
i cried at the end of Joker
@jortlover3000
@jortlover3000 Ай бұрын
goncharov is my literally me
@papajambori20
@papajambori20 6 ай бұрын
Hmm, a very interesting take, I must say
@fireant353
@fireant353 6 ай бұрын
Wonderful video 👍
@StoneyKenobi212
@StoneyKenobi212 Ай бұрын
I don't "get" memes so I appreciate your example and explanation in the beginning.
@Setsunako6587
@Setsunako6587 Ай бұрын
I just started the video, but I must comment on the comments I've seen so far... I LOVE boys/men sharing their feelings with each other in a supportive place 🥰
@seraphsayshi7715
@seraphsayshi7715 3 ай бұрын
Hell yeah, dude
@Lucas-zz4es
@Lucas-zz4es 2 ай бұрын
True. I didn't have any interest in watching neither Barbie nor Oppenheimer but ended watching Barbie and hated it. If people are calling that BS existential we're in deeeeeep trouble
@SpikedTeeth
@SpikedTeeth Ай бұрын
I think the only 'literally me' character I've ever had is Billy Brown from Buffalo '66. I don't feel like typing all of the reasons out because it would be a damn novel by the time I'd be done, but I saw myself in him as we had a lot of the same social/mental issues and a similar childhood as well as we both decided to get better in the end.
@akamal92
@akamal92 Ай бұрын
You have an awesome voice
@runamoto7635
@runamoto7635 6 ай бұрын
do you have a letterboxed?
@jacquelinebudka5716
@jacquelinebudka5716 2 күн бұрын
It’s so nice to hear someone else say what I have been saying about catcher for years. It’s just a green light for shitty sad men to continue to be shitty and sad without trying to improve themselves so they stop hurting people.
@lv834
@lv834 6 күн бұрын
I came for the nuanced discussion on fascism and stayed for the criticism of masculinity as an excuse to exert power and violence . Looking forward to more video essays like this in the future!
@JarOfHeat100
@JarOfHeat100 2 ай бұрын
my favorite movie (and book) is fight club. I always laugh thinking how red of a flag it would be if i were a man.
@paver9661
@paver9661 6 ай бұрын
Yes, I am.
@billyvalentine4466
@billyvalentine4466 2 ай бұрын
I'm increasingly worried that media illiteracy will doom us all. Between this and the misunderstood satire of helldivers and warhammer, I see countless men suffering in isolation and finding solidarity in anger, cruelty, and ultimately fascism.
@Moscoe...
@Moscoe... 6 ай бұрын
Wait you’re trying to tell me he’s not “Litterally me?😢”
@DaughterofDiogenes
@DaughterofDiogenes 2 ай бұрын
Oh dude. Someone tell the Rick and Morty fans 😂😂😂. I love it!!
@icanhasutoobz
@icanhasutoobz 2 ай бұрын
Feedback from someone with Daltonisms (AKA "color blindness"): the color you've chosen for your titling in this video is rather difficult to read. I _can_ read it, but the relative lack of contrast from the black background makes it unnecessarily difficult.
@alexanderredhorse1297
@alexanderredhorse1297 6 ай бұрын
would you consider yourself a Marxist-Leninist? - and something i get reminded of for some reason at the end of your essay was that scene from the boondocks of a Stinkmeaner-possessed Tom getting beat by robert, ruckus, and riley. while huey asked that ghost dude what to do and all the ghost responded with was "peace"
@_keygen
@_keygen 25 күн бұрын
19:55 mr robot spotted :pp
@emperortgp2424
@emperortgp2424 2 ай бұрын
All it takes is a few dudes ironically relating to some edgy characters and leftists go full damage control mode and start shitting out video essays about media literacy or fascism or whatever lol God forbid men enjoy things
@waffled0g595
@waffled0g595 6 ай бұрын
Naw I’m him
@PaulDuPont83
@PaulDuPont83 2 ай бұрын
Malcom X and the uprise in black conservatism? I feel like you need to expound on that point a bit. Malcom X is generally regarded as a leftist figure. FDsignifier’s two-parter on Black conservatism is a good resource on that topic imo.
@esfandry26
@esfandry26 2 ай бұрын
Dude can stop making essays about me , cause this video was about literally me
@AbrahamVillanueva1
@AbrahamVillanueva1 2 ай бұрын
🎉
@lesliejay4165
@lesliejay4165 2 ай бұрын
im an english major and am OBSESSED with your channel! Also you’re super cute :)
@Deathmittens1
@Deathmittens1 Ай бұрын
Lol... I love how they added more Greek letters! Now you can be a gamma to a beta? What a bunch of nonsense
@Matt-eq4xu
@Matt-eq4xu 6 ай бұрын
hey, i wight do a dmca takedown for using my image in timestamps such as 1:33 and many more
@Amalgam80
@Amalgam80 2 ай бұрын
It's important that "literally me" characters be white. At least, if these characters are being produced in the west. And that is because of the white supremacy of the past and present. The alienation of the white male is important because it is the white male that is best fit to succeed in this society, or at least an affluent white male. So, when even he can't succeed because of systemic problems, we have a legitimate gripe with the system. For instance the Falling Down character played by Michael Douglas. Doing "the right thing" and following the rules is supposed to be rewarded according to the rules of the American Dream. And excuses will be given and accepted for why people within marginalized groups are failing even when they too follow the rules; but for a middle class, and above, white man those excuses don't apply. And the bs excuses given are clearly shown to be bs. When the entirety of a system is being criticized, it is important that our protagonist be an example of a person the system was supposed to benefit. A person that was not only sold the lie, but accepted that lie to be law. The difference between characters like Travis Bickle and Tyler Durden is that they go a little too far and hard in the wrong direction. They take their anger due to the system's failures into dangerous territories.
@angelogarcia2189
@angelogarcia2189 2 ай бұрын
Ryan Gosling is so hot right now
@Aki-nw2op
@Aki-nw2op 6 ай бұрын
actually I agree with most of your point but the white guy thing is kinda wrong cause I am also someone who liked the literally me character being an indian guy and alot of my friends also do even though we all are not white and your assessment on taxi driver is also kinda wrong cause in the end Travis was reading a letter by the girl's parents that she has started to go to school now so the film actually cared about that and Travis also feels bad about his behavior with Betsy and the thing with reading das capital cause I have read it I can clearly say that reading das capital is like reading mein kampf both are manipulative and both were written by people with dictatorial mindset. And in my thought Kilmonger didn't became a famous character like others cause he is not doing that much on screen violence like other characters do and also he is pursuing to become a king like a positive character than all other characters like a teen thinks that watch this content Kilmonger is a much more positive character like others and yes it has alot to do with the youtubers that are making these videos we shouldn't blame it on one thing and I did understand that you mean only white man like these character but it was implied that mostly white man do
@thebookmovieguy
@thebookmovieguy 6 ай бұрын
I think that note on Taxi Driver is tricky, because it depends on your interpretation or understanding of the film's ending- such as if it's real or not, or just wishful thinking. I agree that it's the best ending Travis or the viewer could hope for, I'm just not entirely convinced that's what happens. I think Marty is telling us that Travis SHOULD care about those things, not necessarily that he does. I think your Killmonger point is interesting- I agree that a lot of it has to do with the KZfaqrs not focusing on him and such, and his lack of violence compared to some of the other characters. As for the white men liking these characters, I guess my point is just mainly that the popular literally mes are exclusively white- not that that means only white men like them or popularize them, I was just spitballing as to why these are characters are mostly white. It's a bigger topic than I was willing or interested in tackling in this video. I agree we shouldn't blame any of this on any one thing- there are a lot of reasons behind each different part. Thanks for watching and commenting, man!
@badart3204
@badart3204 2 ай бұрын
⁠@@thebookmovieguyI mean also people don’t latch onto killmonger for the same reason Jews don’t latch onto Hitler. His ideology hates them. The majority of the west is not black. They are not going to support a black supremacist. This is different than the other sigma characters such as Bateman, Travis, Drive guy, Joker etc because they are not defined by their creed and thus can identified with. Most of these characters are white simply because America has been a majority white nation for most of history of which many of these characters have been around a while. It’s like asking why Bollywood is mostly Indian? Simple Demographics
@JefferyMorales-wq1kb
@JefferyMorales-wq1kb 2 ай бұрын
@@badart3204 Travis and Patrick Bateman are both racist 💀
@The-Allfather-Odin
@The-Allfather-Odin Ай бұрын
But that is the problem. Most young men aren't going to just accept living a life of servitude for others. We want freedom
@Januaryof28
@Januaryof28 Ай бұрын
I literrally tom halding
@dylanclark9903
@dylanclark9903 Ай бұрын
I’m that Fight Club fan that does deep sociological research- all of Palanuiks work is brilliant (Pygmy is my fav)- but to say Durden is the villain strikes me as odd. He is not bad. He is the repressed shadow of mankind. I read Fight Club as a Jungian warning. And view the film as a warning about male alienation. But art can be interpreted so many ways.
@EbbaStigart
@EbbaStigart 14 күн бұрын
I'm a literally me character
@xxsnow_angelxx3953
@xxsnow_angelxx3953 2 ай бұрын
Hear me out, English mediums focuses on drama. And people relate to that more. When they scoff over the background details. Its normal people that don't notice and literacy gotta do it better.
@DWSmith-x6c
@DWSmith-x6c 11 сағат бұрын
👍
@dante340
@dante340 2 ай бұрын
It's possible to resonate with deeply flawed characters without endorsing all of harmful and destructive actions these characters exhibit..
@Darkseidsolosfiction
@Darkseidsolosfiction 27 күн бұрын
*i drive*
@iateyursandwiches
@iateyursandwiches 16 күн бұрын
26:27 i find it funny all these men identity with patrick batemen when he's supposed to be quite well off. Of course hes a fucking serial killer, against a margianlized group no less but we all know why the latter part sticks with a lot of these men... Just not sure how they can relate to a guy who has literally the things/ and wealth they are barred from in the first place. I guess its always been thay way for men(and some women, maknly upper class) for the longest time. They cling to the rewards of a "traditional" house and sex slav- i mean wife, rather than pushing against gender norms and society inequalities that make them all in boxes and is exploitative. Rather than stand up to the few men in power who largely benefit from this unjust division of labor where they do most of the back breaking work with minimal reward, they rather uphold the system as it is as long as that reward includes a wife they can do whatever they want with. Pretty crazy and sad. At the end of the day, I guess its a lot harder to fight against a system that keeps you down than it is to being to push for a a wife who cant talk back to you.
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