Liu Che Test Results [should you invest?] Rise of Kingdoms
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Күн бұрынHere's everything we learned from testing Liu Che in an Ark of Osiris practice match in Rise of Kingdoms (ROK).
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0:00 Why Liu Che is Good
5:33 Busted extra attacks
10:51 Rally Reports
12:24 Open Field Testing
22:49 Should you max Liu Che?
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@Chisgule 9 ай бұрын
What do you think of these test results? Drop a comment and subscribe with notifications on so you don’t miss a vid! Discord.gg/chisgule
@sheeshkenny668 9 ай бұрын
Great vid but you need to try Pyrrhus/Liu Che
@pound4pound380 9 ай бұрын
That's really promising. No one is going to run a Huo Nevsky anyway because taking Joan out is stupid
@Blakataur 9 ай бұрын
Fleish's testing with Liu/Alex was VASTLY different to yours. I think its being Fleish's was double relic and not the Alex in yours.
@Cheezledzul 9 ай бұрын
Can you figure out a way to simulate a murder ball? Much more realistic for 90% of fighting. I get duels gives you a clearer understanding of the skills but not necessarily pairings.
@carlomartini5000 9 ай бұрын
How do you think it would work with d relique maxed hannibal? His skills may be good with liu
@jasonkass8095 9 ай бұрын
No joke, I just went on YT and was looking to watch this exact vid. Perfect timing :D
@gun5377 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for making the time to test new comm. ✅🔥
@sciencenews7587 9 ай бұрын
Thx chis was waiting for your this vid
@brianyork7225 9 ай бұрын
I have been waiting for this all morning 😂
@Cheezledzul 9 ай бұрын
I appreciate your live streams, I watched it live. But it would be cool if you can figure out do test with multiple marches to simulate a murder ball. It’s pretty rare you’ll be doing duels. While Sargon looks better in 1v1 but Alex adds shields to Allys and damage buffs to enemies. That could tip the scales. Just an example. I think that would be more helpful. Right now my whole kd is waiting for murder ball reports lol
@BryanGutierrezONGOOGLE 9 ай бұрын
hey chis great vid! so cool! you forgot about pyrrhus lol!
@jamielane8696 9 ай бұрын
Obviously the Guan-Liu combo didn't work against Boudica-Zhuge because they shrug off Guan's silence and deal extra damage because of it. Maybe should have tested it against other infantry combos would have given a much clearer idea.
@Richard-ll3ne 9 ай бұрын
He fr said that lol
@spain7614 9 ай бұрын
W livestream last night 😊
@LoneLobo27 9 ай бұрын
After putting some thought I think you should pair a smite with a skill almost always that way a skill damage debuff or a normal debuff only effects half of your march
@ryancantos8450 9 ай бұрын
don’t forget that Sargon-Liu Che combo doesn’t only win a 1v1 battle but also boosts your other marches that do skill damage.
@alexc3763 9 ай бұрын
I'm marveled at Chizgule’s ability to carve out a 28 min video about fairly useless tests (again, no gear 1vs1 tests ffs) where he dedicates a couple minutes to the only really important thing that he should have been testing, which is how Smite damage interacts with current damage amplifications and reductions and what the extra normal attack from the expertise can or cannot trigger, just to basically say "would be cool to test all of that, huh?"
@rezopolis 9 ай бұрын
hmm
@One_raijinken 9 ай бұрын
I don’t know some people play this game for so long , this game was fun when I just started playing like 2 months ago, I stopped playing but still watch your vids lol
@timtaylor5638 9 ай бұрын
🙄
@jayflyff2318 9 ай бұрын
Coz players like you don't belong in time investment game like this. Just go play casual game.
@HERBO_17 9 ай бұрын
👍🏻 love the new commander
@user-mm2zg6wh3z 9 ай бұрын
Liu Che/Attila in Strategem with Martial Talent performs very well, but with most things you've outlined about Liu not broken, just effective.
@S.D.0000 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the vid as Always Chisgule! 6:55 "You don't take counter attack damage" Still waiting for that guy who said you get countered with extra normal attacks reason why it's bad. All you need is read the skill description and that guy still failed to understand.
@batuhandurmaz6872 9 ай бұрын
Yeah lol I hope they also say its has cooldown 🤣
@ZikrurridhoAfwani 9 ай бұрын
Takeda + liu che (artifact). Got hit multiple time by this combo in my kvk, and it's perform good for them
@AbderrahmaneHibat 9 ай бұрын
@Chisgule you didn't test Liu as primary?? The results are popping off for Liu/Sargon as the meta pair. Takes more sev wounds but for the extra sev wounds they take, you're getting almost twice that in sev wounds dealt.
@franciscomorarivera212 9 ай бұрын
hey @chisgule what do you think about Liu Che and Phyrrus? think there might be some synergy?
@Noe-wq4bu 9 ай бұрын
I think I'm going to wait to see if an infa season of conquest commander will come out. I have about 600 sculptures saved up and counting
@seletmambu2835 9 ай бұрын
why not trying liu che primary with sargon cause talent diffrent between those 2,or is it bad?
@unholybehe 9 ай бұрын
Hi. I've got only scipi and Alex exp'd so far. Would you recommend going for Liu instead of Guan or Sargon?
@RobbyMorton 9 ай бұрын
Knowing how extremely greedy lilith is I'm not surprised the best pair is Sargon. They did it on purpose because Sargon was kind of a bust and not many people were investing in him. Remember when lilith lied and said they were going to slow down new commander releases (after sargon) because people were tired of always playing catch up. And now they are droppi g new commanders faster than ever...
@TheRealBlockFruits Ай бұрын
Well they just released belisarius prime who was good for swarming but pretty mid in general
@dutchmadness578 9 ай бұрын
yes first reaction!
@flybone100 9 ай бұрын
Just as Count Chisgule predicted!
@henrikwerner7441 9 ай бұрын
There are many other tests (e.g. in Fleischs livestream) which are showing that Liu Alex performs really good. Some reports even better than Liu Sargon.
@pineappledoesnotbelongonpi4891 9 ай бұрын
Boudica 5551 with ysg double relic is better
@holybom23 9 ай бұрын
The reports do match up between the two streams. I'm guessing Sargon is tankier vs incoming skill dmg but deals less dmg: Bou ZL > Liu Alex >> Nev Joan Bou ZL < Sargon Liu > Nev Joan
@Aurelian159 9 ай бұрын
To be optimal, try Alex/Liu
@nemanjamikovic4453 9 ай бұрын
For all the f2p that dont have the latest and greatest commanders, liu che and alex will slap infantry and cavalry marches on the open field. So yea, your alex is just fine, no need to spend 700 sculptures to get sargon
@craigv4147 7 ай бұрын
Essentially what a came here to know! thanks Dude!
@AlexanderMullenders 9 ай бұрын
I'll wait to see some murder ball reports first. How many times do you do 1v1 duels in kvk situations?
@jeriahjoseph2703 9 ай бұрын
so hes not worth getting unless you can max him and get the extra normal attack
@hiroshima99 9 ай бұрын
summary about liu che 1. need expertise for full potential 2. can be paired with: -alex ( high dps but squishy march in murderball this combo just gone get hit by aoe surrounding even not targeted lol) -sargon ( balanced and super good in 1v1 duel but in murderball situation hard to stack sargon dmg and liu hardly to shine ) -scipio ( no need introduction, anything with scipio is getting better, consistent march for this meta ) basically if want to know liu potential for field just do 5v5 fight then see how it goes with all gears stuff equiped
@alirosheno9473 9 ай бұрын
Scipio primary and Liu che secondary right?
@Gamblor10 9 ай бұрын
please test honda and hera to see if they reduce incoming smite!
@michaell8585 9 ай бұрын
Fleisch tested Liu + alex beeing the best combo .. tests were made in arc and home Kd
@candlemaker4928 9 ай бұрын
Nice! I guess Im skipping LC. Im okay with my 5 Epic marches. thank you!
@Greggington_Gaming 9 ай бұрын
Really interesting...did not see Sargon/Liu being so strong
@raidnight144 9 ай бұрын
Chisgle I need help who should I go for first Sargon or the new inf commender. I already have one march of inf and need help for the second march.
@new_x_bie575 9 ай бұрын
Ooops right on time
@janokskilos275 9 ай бұрын
Did the CM have a double relic?
@alexmaioo1 9 ай бұрын
Alex should be the primary when pair with Liu Che, not the other way around. Big difference.
@swordsaint9712 9 ай бұрын
They have the same talent tree right? What's the difference
@gabrielsimoes1730 9 ай бұрын
@@swordsaint9712 Alex's expertise make the enemy take more damage after active skill and then BAAM: Liu's active skill. lol
@holybom23 9 ай бұрын
In Fleish's stream Alex primary didn't do as well, perhaps needs better talent allocation or the rage generation from equipment ?
@GOOGLEUSER-uj5lu 9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 Liu should be the primary . Alex will boost the inf atk by 30% passive stats + additional 40% when "not shielded" a total of 70% atk boost. That will boost Liu Che's active skill dmg if alex is primary.
@sirmann5584 9 ай бұрын
I think I should do Guan/Sargon till I get the expertise on Lui. Then I switch to guan/Scipio and Sargon/ Lui. Does that make sense?
@ziddanziddan9606 9 ай бұрын
Sargon liu be better
@raeesshah257 9 ай бұрын
Guys I need a little suggestion about who should I expertise next, so I'm currently running Saladin/Nevsky and Scipio/Alex, I have enough sculptures to only replace either Alex or Saladin with a meta commander such as Huo,Sargon,joan or lui che, which commander should I go for amongst these purely for open field?
@Beautiful_Pakistan7 9 ай бұрын
Joan if u r going to be a cav main and liu if inf(I'll prefer cav)✌️
@raeesshah257 9 ай бұрын
@@Beautiful_Pakistan7 I run mix troop type so the type don't really matter I just need the best march possible for it, plus shouldn't I prefer huo over joan?
@Beautiful_Pakistan7 9 ай бұрын
@@raeesshah257 still i would prefer joan bec scipio/alex is a good march, Scipio provides aoe which is necessary for open field and u need an aoe commander for ur cav so joan is better.after that u can go for liu or huo or maybe an archer march if u want.and the last thing is where r u from bro😆?
@raeesshah257 9 ай бұрын
@@Beautiful_Pakistan7 fair enough, I'm from Pakistan
@Beautiful_Pakistan7 9 ай бұрын
@@raeesshah257 nice 👍 name se andaza ho gya tha😁✌️
@NoahJonesNews 9 ай бұрын
The love my Freddy got on your livestream was amazing. So if I don’t have Sargon I can swap Freddy in
@user-dh4bg7lv7t 9 ай бұрын
I have been trying relic'd Constatine (extra normal damage) and Liu to decent results as a tanky march; he is already doing damage that approaches my expertised Guan/Skippy march and Liu is not even close to expertised. I recommend trying it.
@user-vz9ix5su9u 9 ай бұрын
please try liu/aeth duo... I want to see if aeth dmg boosts after liu's first skill (which does a slow down effect)
@grimsoul1031 9 ай бұрын
I have tareq and guan and scipio and sergon the great and alex and Harold max should i work on liu che ??? I use only infantry
@phatch5444 9 ай бұрын
This AOE animation is pretty cool.
@andrewacedo4069 9 ай бұрын
Could you do a video for those of us that don’t have all these prime commanders and just have older ones how ever have a Liu che.. I like the Fredrick combo as I have him
@gregnakahulkmah4959 9 ай бұрын
Liu is stronger than your giving credit for . Especially cause of accessories and his expertise. Test with equipment and he will be OP
@darrenwong9241 9 ай бұрын
Charles n Liu will be my combo
@mohamadhawchar3952 9 ай бұрын
Hello bro please look in my kingdom the infantry wheel of fortune will come after a little bit and i am a f2p is it better to get scipio or LC
@Horsecentstoday 3 ай бұрын
Is being in a stronghold like a flag or pass or fortess consdered " on the map"?? if it is not....then only his first 2 skills work in a garrison.
@pineappledoesnotbelongonpi4891 9 ай бұрын
Pyrrhus Liu che. Pyrrhus has a TON of normal attack
@S.D.0000 9 ай бұрын
Yes but low Skill Damage active. If it's atleast 1700 he'll be better
@jamielane8696 9 ай бұрын
Yes plz run Pyrrhus primary. Please feed me and the boyz free KP.
@pineappledoesnotbelongonpi4891 9 ай бұрын
@@jamielane8696 as a duel
@kotoriammamurakyrigaya3954 9 ай бұрын
Is LC Pyrus is really good in game or it's just in test, please?
@BrawndoFTW 9 ай бұрын
Surprising it is not mentioned that liu che hits 5 and has defences. Guan yu hits 3 and is glass. No one duels their way through kvk 1v1. Guan yu is done.
@tuaigets77 9 ай бұрын
I just maxed Scipio prime, what should I go for now, guan, Liu or sargon.
@Tibi2k22 9 ай бұрын
Hello Between Huo and Joan which one is better for f2p?
@Rodgers65 9 ай бұрын
Imagine bert/liu with the artifact
@paulwalsh8469 9 ай бұрын
Weird question, if you give him a Cav artifact in warriors unbound, how you think he'd go with Nevsky or Joan? 😂
@JamilAhmad-go5tb 9 ай бұрын
Chisgule has become OG of ROK ❤ i guess the commander is good but not good pairings for him at the moment. maybe in the next 6 months he will be relevant
@JGames90 9 ай бұрын
Lol you should try Attila and Liu Rally 😅
@rhezortz 9 ай бұрын
Whats suppose to be the talent tree if he goes as primary comander? 🤔
@peacesis38583 9 ай бұрын
What talent build seemed best for Liu Che?
@tempgamefreakgaming 9 ай бұрын
🔥
@new_x_bie575 9 ай бұрын
guys can i ask? do you put armaments and equipments in your secondary commander? will they add stats to your march if you do so? thank you
@hanafiyahya2920 9 ай бұрын
no, its only work on primary cmd
@mrmac5795 9 ай бұрын
Hey not sure if you did it but what about guan Skippy vs Sargon and Lui che
@Tecplex 9 ай бұрын
Do you think Liu needs to be maxed to work? I‘m a low spender and won‘t be able to get his extra normal attack. Should I still go for him?
@alexissantiago8073 9 ай бұрын
Bro it's easy to upgrade a comander
@noblebrightTV 9 ай бұрын
If ring of doom activate two times and override the first one will it add 2 seconds duration making the effects to last longer?
@rafaelmediodia1414 9 ай бұрын
Ring of Doom won't active twice because it has 5 second cooldown the moment it activates....Lui Che can activate Horn of Fury twice tho.
@ivanli4763 9 ай бұрын
Anyone had tested him pair with pyrrhus with double reclic? he buff a lot of normal damage
@FletchDoesIt 9 ай бұрын
lol no one willing to max him, let alone put two artifacts on him… 🤣😂🤣
@shadowrangedking 9 ай бұрын
Hold up, does this mean you can actually use Sargon as 5551? Since there is so little skilldamage involved?
@gunnarcomputer1982 9 ай бұрын
how do you downlaod the pc version of rok what app is it?
@georgeosamaa 9 ай бұрын
is a 5551 Sargon considered good with Liu please?
@Smurffed 9 ай бұрын
What if you have 3 infantry pairs what would you suggest
@Snaxi 9 ай бұрын
Wouldn't the extra normal attack generate a large amount of rage on its own? So Feral Nature would be redundant on those turns?
@irakli1264 9 ай бұрын
No, actually feral nature is even better. If you watch closely Sargon Liu tests, you can see that they cast active skill very fast because of feral nature. Even Huo isn't much quicker than Sargon Liu in casting first skill.
@Snaxi 9 ай бұрын
Yeah. It's the same principle of the more rage you generate, the more valuable it gets right? So yeah, Feral + double NA is over raging, but that only happens with a 2.5% possibility. Compared with the 7.5% + 25% chance of either a double NA, or a Feral proc, both which would generate max rage on that turn. @@irakli1264
@Phasing86 9 ай бұрын
tbh i'm still not convinced sargon/liu che is the best pairing. in theory Pyrrhus still feels like the natural fit to liu che with all the normal attack damage boosts he has. plus with the amt of def pyrrhus gives u even if u swarm him he's not going down easy. like before equips and all that pyrrhus/liu che is already getting 55% inf def with pyrrhus's double relic. not to mention 40% skill damage reduction(20% from ea)
@lupor3344 9 ай бұрын
Correct
@ppbp4muhammadizzim.945 9 ай бұрын
I know but think lilith need remake pyrrhus like change skill active skill damage to smite or remake double relic pyyrhos. +10% skill damage Will useless
@ppbp4muhammadizzim.945 9 ай бұрын
I have recomendation that if lilith agree pyyrhos Will suitable with Liu che. +25% infantry attack, +15% defense infantry, increase Shield damage factor from skill Shield and sarissa from 500 to 800 and decrease cooldown from 8 second to 7 second
@Phasing86 9 ай бұрын
@@ppbp4muhammadizzim.945 the 10% damage skill damage from pyrrhus's double relic also helps pyrrhus's active skill so it's not so bad. it's the 35% inf def that u care about. as for pyrrhus's active skill it's not about the skill damage but rather than 20% normal attack damage boost that u care about.
@ppbp4muhammadizzim.945 9 ай бұрын
@@Phasing86 bruh i rather change skill damage pyyrhos to smite damage than +10% skill damage 😂. +20% normal attack from pyyrhos and +10% normal attack from Liu che better. And Will be new style in kvk 1. In kvk 1 too Will have new pair Pyyrhos Joan epic
@AwesomeBlake_223 9 ай бұрын
Everyone keeps attacking me can you help? In rise of kingdoms city number is 3322 my alliance is king Blake.
@mustafaahmed6653 9 ай бұрын
I think horn of furry isn't much good on liu che because the talents will be Triggered at the same turn that make him over rage i think karuak war drums is better if you overrage at least your allies will benefit
@admiralhowdy8118 9 ай бұрын
Did you test maybe a Charles/Liu Garrison?
@marcelomarotta6483 9 ай бұрын
I guess now I’m benching Leonidas. Gonna run Sargon/Liu and Guan/Scipio.
@kingstogodshm3251 9 ай бұрын
How did you not bench him yet lmao
@Noahac2 9 ай бұрын
LoL. Sun tzu will beat Leonidas 😂😂
@nufcbob4115 9 ай бұрын
@@Noahac2I was hoping for Sun Tzu Prime 😢
@Noahac2 9 ай бұрын
@@nufcbob4115 don't worry. Sun tzu will be the 1st epic to transition to a legendary
@leol8642 9 ай бұрын
Which formation do you recommend?
@IngDans 9 ай бұрын
Hi bro... may you can a test Liu che with Honda please?
@StarfactsRevelations 9 ай бұрын
What about Pakal pairing ?? No one said this will that work?
@user-gt2co7iw6i 9 ай бұрын
Which formation should be used for sar liu
@chriscrockett787 9 ай бұрын
I'm closing in on a 1000 goldies. Skipped Zhuge, Skipped Huo, and now I think I'm skipping Lu Che as well. I'm just not convinced. My 5-7 marches might not be the newest, but they'll work. I'll just kept saving.
@gummibear2793 9 ай бұрын
Don't skip Zhuge, he is THE best commander in the game, trust me
@gjinro743 9 ай бұрын
@@gummibear2793 yup run Zhuge. He aint bad. Skip the Inf. They just stilll slow and the mechanics even if with all March Speed reductions and alll. They stilll can't hit and run.
@manuelvelasco2761 9 ай бұрын
@@gummibear2793yes wtf, zl is a must. I am all inf, and gonna max him before liu
@TheLarknessMonster 9 ай бұрын
Why would you skip Zhuge? Literally the best commander in the game by a pretty wide margin. There's no reason to have over 600 heads saved either. Bad ROI you should be maxing one commander every inf-cav-arch release cycle. Like what marches do you even use?
@otalgebra4436 9 ай бұрын
Don't get Zhuge use huo Joan or huo nevsky and hunt all the dumb Zhuge marches running around 😂😂😂. They are literally free kills
@FREDZY2234 9 ай бұрын
Can you please make a video on how to level up your commanders in the Mid game cause im in the mid game i only have 1 commander above level 40.Thank you😊😊
@matteo8772 9 ай бұрын
Do guardians when they appear. Only way to level up commanders super efficiently in a short time
@winstonwolf6791 9 ай бұрын
You should only be worrying about leveling up commanders in the early game? Are you leveling up all commanders as you go? You should rarely be leveling commanders at your stage. Only the ones you use. The game gives so many exp tomes that this should not be a worry.
@vann7182 9 ай бұрын
next inf garrison have both smite damage, they meant to pair
@dhr.woltemade6387 9 ай бұрын
Man I was going to use my GHs to take both Boudica and ZL to 5511, but now im saving every single DH I get to put into Sargon and Liu. That will be my long term investment for the next two KVKs
@mduchange87 9 ай бұрын
U an inf main?
@dhr.woltemade6387 9 ай бұрын
@@mduchange87 Yep, ever since they introduced ZL my guan/Skippy got melted during KVK. With Liu they finally levelled the playing field a bit
@yosef38307 9 ай бұрын
If you're going to switch to infa then scipio should be your first priority, then work on leu
@dhr.woltemade6387 9 ай бұрын
@@yosef38307 totally agree, my guan Yu/Scipio prime are both expertised. With Sargon/Liu I can finally have a viable second inf march the won't get melted in the open field
@nicoheim7561 9 ай бұрын
Everyone only talks about expertised Liu Che... What's about f2p players? Is it better to skill Liu 5511 or 5xxx random?
@felixpoldermans8373 9 ай бұрын
Please test with Phyrrus
@BlackHalo99b 9 ай бұрын
For someone going into kvk3 for the first time would investing in a Scippy Liu che March be the move for inf?
@yosef38307 9 ай бұрын
Absolutely Scipio
@joseantigua1322 9 ай бұрын
Scipio hands down
@rylancraig6078 9 ай бұрын
Just got into kvk3 what should my first infantry pair be?
@chiheb384 9 ай бұрын
Martel/Liu che or martel/Scipio Then investing in sargon
@travismiller7109 9 ай бұрын
Would liu che work better as primary
@severusalexander8567 9 ай бұрын
Other streamers are getting very good results with alex, you might want to test again, nevsky joan could not win at all vs alex pairing
@rylix5279 9 ай бұрын
Scipio liu chee is the way to go
@gregreynoldsjr 9 ай бұрын
Overall a must have for 2 infantry march. How much better than Mehmed II?
@kotyara2112 9 ай бұрын
Is Scipio Liu or Sargon Liu better?
@kelvinzchin4033 9 ай бұрын
Dont know if liu che will have his wheel or not
@Milk12_34 9 ай бұрын
We know everyone got excited when Feddy almost became relavent 😢
@user-tk6xt1zv5n 8 ай бұрын
What about martel double relic with liu che
@LiesThatBind 9 ай бұрын
If all I have is Scipio/Alex is it worth it investing in Liu Che to pair with Scipio? Is it much better ?
@joseantigua1322 9 ай бұрын
Yes it is, I had the same pair and got Liu and performed pretty good
@korisnickoime571 9 ай бұрын
no because cavs and archers are still better
@georgetibian9260 9 ай бұрын
I will go Guan sccipio and Liu Leonidas ,😁
@patryksliwinski4903 9 ай бұрын
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