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It's pretty similar to the debates around just about every Christmas dinner where one person happens to be vegan.

@@KaptainKastle I know of what you speak! However, I am so grateful to say this last holiday season was actually a win for me, food-wise. I did all of Thanksgiving and (with a friend) Christmas cooking last Nov/Dec so it'd all be vegan (was all soy-free as well due to my brother's sensitivity to it, he was convinced he needed to make a meat dish for himself because y'know obvs vegans live off of soy) They weren't large gatherings due to covid, but I still cooked for days to make sure it'd be a proper feast and my brother would have tons of leftovers. I now feel like I can only do holidays this way though, because it's worth it if everything - including all the normal / traditional recipes - are vegan and delicious so that people can stop with the excuse of, "I could never be vegan because of this one dish I occasionally eat and therefore will continue to eat animal products three times a day". Still had to deal with some silly nonsense at the dinner table, eg my brother insisting the pumpkin pie tastes slightly different - it didn't, and his no-nonsense German wife was always quick to shut him down. But my goodness it was so nice for just everything to be vegan and delicious, I have no hope for humanity but at least my holiday meals will be fine in future. I am definitely gonna do myself a favor and get some soft cushiony mats, it was the only difficult thing about it all, all the standing! Otherwise I listened to funny podcasts, the latest Earthling Ed vids, and holiday music, so it all was relaxing and festive really.

@@hiking1388 that's great news . If that was my family , they'd find some fault in something..... The wooly jumper you have on is not vegan, the trifle has gelatine, the Nike logo on your trainers is leather ..etc etc .. Sounds like you made a really good effort though ..wish I was invited .

@@KaptainKastle my family's pretty blockheaded but to their credit they are always incredibly grateful to anyone who cooks. My dad and brother have (when I was in high school) gobbled up some 'mistakes' I'd left out (meanwhile they left the good stuff untouched!) and were still full of praise - it was great - but, perhaps, it was not quite as good as usual?? (This happened twice, I was so mortified...) But still, to keep the peace, I planned ahead and (for both meals) had loads of table topics prepared, to keep the conversation light and flowing. And for afters, there were trivia quizzes (with minor prizes) and fun new board games. I've become aware there are so many amazing board games out there, and I wanna try the most popular ones! :) Hopefully next holiday season covid will be much less of a thing and maybe there can be some community vegan holiday stuff organized?? I expect to be in the US again this Nov / Dec, but tell ya what, for next year, if you're in the vicinity of Ireland (where we're supposed to settle down soon, my husband's an ahem brexit refugee ie can't stand the country anymore), you can come over and experience a real American Thanksgiving and/or Christmas dinner! With so much pumpkin pie and cranberry sauce you won't know what to do with it 😂

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the reason is simple: there's not one valid argument against veganism. Not one.

@@SauronDarkLordMordor Oh there are plenty, actually. It's just that they're all about as absurd as saying serial killers have their choices and only kill locally.

Funny thing is 2 years ago I was saying the same stuff as these lot and now I hear these weak arguments as a vegan and think oh god that’s cringe That girl annoyed me who said she’s Flexiterian… What the hell is that? Then says it’s hard? It isn’t in UK as plenty of healthy ready meals, or better yet spend less time gawping at social media and TV soaps and learn to cook… Following a step by step recipe isn’t difficult.

@RonnyRamirez Exactly, no excuse against Veganism only excuses for why people refuse to be Vegan

@@SauronDarkLordMordor there is

imagine coming to the court for rape or murder and using this argument... 😂

Don't be unintelligent. Freedom of choice is already with the assumption that the choices you make are lawful/moral. The discussion can only be progressed when the two parties have established common ground in terms of what is a moral framework. The problem is that Ed Winter's framework is logically flawed. I can explain why Ed's framework is flawed but that would be a lot of writing.

@@walnoemispoyt5604 it was a joke... and at least I am unintelligent enough to not put moral and lawful together as synonyms

@@daryasavchenko6288 Are you a vegan? If not then I have no interest. Say something that actually adds to the conversation of veganism.

@@walnoemispoyt5604 if you dont mind doing the writing, id be bery interested in hearing your arguments for why his framework is flawed

Another great vegan activist. "There's a great pie shop where I live" as if that's an argument. Plus she can have her damn pies veganized 🙄

Most vegans started that way though. Hard to see his point when the blinders are still fully attached.

Cognitive dissonance is a very real thing... I just recently came to the conclusion that veganism is the only moral choice (and still struggling to go completely vegan), so I can sympathize with them. In this case they're also on live television with limited time to speak, so everyone just sticks to their planned talking points. Hopefully Ed made some of the viewers give it some serious thought, though.

That’s a great summary right there and it’s immensely frustrating. People who just want to keep stuffing their face and doing whatever, like there’s no greater cause out there. Just keep shoveling meat and cheese and ordering off Amazon and buying slave labor electronics. Life of luxury. The deeper you go down that rabbit hole, a word of warning, it gets very lonely and extremely depressing when you see how few people care about anything other than the next five minutes of their pleasure. And some claim humans are “more evolved” than non-human animals. HA. Yeah that’s why we’re all killing ourselves with greed and destroying everything else in the process, despite having the scientific knowledge to know we’re doing it, and still being unwilling to change.

Its okay cos its a local pork pie 🙄😂😂😂

yeah, i thought that was a sly gotcha question. i'm glad, at least, Ed got the "taste or life" query in there.

Bunch of clowns in a studio

and not calling them out about not having any real arguments …

Its a typical strategy to get defensive and fabricate a personal attack as a victim once people lose all their arguments . Its a way to escape for them.

Was just about to write this comment

so many incoherent points condensed into ten minutes, with a few sane responses by ed sprinkled in

Someone needs to make bingo cards for this.

Ancestors tho.....lol...even that one thrown in.

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hahah i know what a joke, terrible excuses, because there is no justification

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Would you agree if a diet requires supplements that by consequence its deficient?

Maybe a plant based diet might reverse his clogged arteries 😄.

Hah. 😁

You have spelt 'bastard' in a very peculiar way.

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Exactly

They love the UK but not the UK's natural environment, I would say it's shocking how little people care for the environment but considering the state of the world it makes perfect sense. It's just odd and bewildering to hear it on tv, I swear caring about the environment or the pain of animals, it's like having an extra sense, like trying to explain sight to someone born completely blind. Weird to hear a brexiteer try to spin brexit as potentially being better for both farmers and vegans, because like "control" and "choice" but meh whatever, he's gotta defend his stance.

@@hiking1388 Exactly! What exactly are the conservatives conserving anyway? Not our environment, not health, not moral food choices, global food security etc. Ed should've clapped back with "it may be a choice but it's not a good choice". Maybe a bit snappy for his style though

She deflected his Qs like a proper politician. When all you can do to respond to someone is "well I think people should make their own minds up", you know you've got nothing.

Lol, exactly. Cognitive dissonance at its finest. "I agree with everything you said but I'm not going to be vegan because it tastes good." Hopefully Ed planted some seeds and they eventually realize what they're doing is wrong.

“But…. I like pies.” That woman really got Ed there. She likes pies? Oh good lord. And of course everyone laughs because this is the world we live in. They make vegan pies, people. I just had one and it was amazing.

@@GeddyRC "pies tho," haha that's a new one!

@@GeddyRC THE BUT'S ARE SO REAL AND HURT MY HEART!! It negates EVERYTHING before it. I have eliminated B U T from my vocabulary! Every time I hear it, it feels like my soul is getting scratched.

its true.. absolving themselves of responsibility.. from the damage it causes to the environment, their own health and the animals welfare and lives etc

+1

Not a debater, rather a passive-aggressive manipulator.. 😆

@@missdiamar3897 He was very direct and polite, and very clear on his intentions- literally the opposite of passive aggressive. And if you think this is manipulation, I think you need to go look up the definition of the word. You don't manipulate someone into being kind and compassionate. "Yes!! I tricked Miss Diamer into eating beans instead of a tortured animal!! I got her sooo good! She never saw it coming!!" Lmao.

I'm constantly blown away by his ability to remain calm when speaking to some of the most selfish and stubbornly brainwashed people on earth.

@@AdelineCowgirl you clearly don't follow scientific studies proving plants are sentient and self-aware.. 😏😄 He's manipulating, of course, I'm not fooling myself. It's a cult. It's not about being less cruel. Being judgemental and thinking you're better for eating alive and self-aware plants over dead meat that's done with suffering at the slaughter house has nothing to do with being less cruel. I've got nothing against it, you do you. I'm accepting life as God created it, and he created living beings to eat other living beings. Quite smart, considering we live on a globe in the middle of black nothingness of space.. everything is recycled. Cruelty is part of life. 🤷🏻‍♀️ You either accept it, or live life miserable trying to fight the laws of nature..

Yea, what about his little fake vegan restaurant, you should check out the reality of this man. He's just a shill who works with companies and investors that sell lots of meat

@@dogwklr the vegan restaurant is a charity that is used to fund the rescue place they have.

Once animals get the right that they are non-human persons, I would ban eating meat, because it is murdering a person.

Too bad the format didn't let her really respond.

@@ZenoErwt BBC for you.

I think he might actually have pressed a little bit too hard there... As it was mentioned before, the format is limited and it was clear from the start that Ed will not make her change her mind. The job in a situation like that is to present the arguments as strong and clear as possible for the viewers at home and avoid giving people reasons to say that vegans are terrorists.

she obviously knows it's something that is not ethical otherwise she would have said it with no worries

@@YekaterinaMezhennaya not saying you are wrong. But she did ask him to convince her.. So he tried.. But wasn't allowed the time to follow through. Oh well.. At least he got a tiny bit of stage

Nice comment. I struggle to keep calm when people refuse to see a victim. History is full of oppressors being fine with the status quo.

Agreed. How did this discussion go from respecting the lives of animals to "mah freedoms, tho?!"

Right. I don't know if I would have the kind of courage to do what he did or keep my cool. Especially when they dismissed him so easily to "taste tho". I also think it's funny no one gives a shit about ANY industry that goes under but everyone is so concerned about farmers. No one cared when VHS went to DVD or when DVD when to blu-ray or when Blockbuster went out of business. No one cared about those livelihoods or jobs. But god forbid a farmer does anything else with their life.

@@WestlyEdell That was really well put (and intersectional)

We all used to be those people. Compassion, empathy, and indisputable facts are the best weapons.

This is one of the things i keep coming back to in my head - its just a thinly veiled way of denying your moral predisposition to oppression. No one today would say that the abolition of slavery was a great injustice to those enslavers who made a livelihood of it as we now recognise that form of oppression to be wrong. I wonder if in 50-100 years time people will look back on farmers in the same way?

Yeah it's stupid. Jobs change as the times change.

Also about child labour in 19th century Europe. They claimed that without child labour economies would collapse.

Imagine having such a weak arguement for veganism that you need to use human slavery as an analogy.

@@jansoltes971 child labour is still happening in about 70 countries. I guarantee you are wearing their suffering. Just another tangible example of vegan hypocrisy especially when vegans consider themselves the arbiters of everything moral. LOL.

I love people and i don't feel sorry for them. I think I am pmsing. i see the love in EVERYONE and right now I am yelling at them through my laptop. freedom of choice!? I mean come on :( :( :( the animals are no less than us, and they don't get to choose. anyhoot, I wanna meditate and get back to loving and feeling sorry for these people.

@@danadaurey24 To be fair though, the animals could not choose to eat pie from that specific business anyway. So their life has no meaning. Only pie has meaning, and only from that specific business.

Seriously! They can’t take that someone younger and smarter is literally trying to educate them 😂

the ending was the best. when Ed's like "we're allowed to have a conversation" These folks did not give him a conversation. and the other guy with his "people have the right" lol

Because deep inside they know they are wrong. That is why they lash out.

NOT so fast Mr. Jh5578…Would Ed curse a fig tree, causing it to wither and die, for not producing fruit…out of SEASON🤬 ? Jesus DID, (he was hungry) 😩And, can you imagine Ed casting a demon out of a man and into a herd of swine that subsequently stampede over a cliff and DROWN😈 ! Not Earthling Ed…at least not the swine part. I don’t think Ed would do multiplying fish feed either 🤔. Nevertheless, one wonders if Ed’s appearance contributes to his ethical persuasion. Good point that. He mostly challenges people to accept what they believe already and act upon it.

Yep, he is the second Jesus. The first one taught us to be kind to one another. He is teaching us to be kind to animals.

@@cipherklosenuf9242 I don't mean it literally. I'm an athiest. Went to a Christian schools and saw through that nonsense as a teen.

yeah this guy is really special, no one does the job better

@@jhunt5578 🧐😆 I’m atheist too. But I deconstructed much later than you. It’s amazing how long it took me to simply acknowledge that people write books. I was just messing around, meant no offense. It’s tricky to communicate that with just writing.

She got a bit angry because she couldn't say what she really wanted to -- which was that she didn't give a flying crap about animals. There's just no getting through to those types.

its would've been too self-confronting and then you stay away from saying that. Ed should've said something like "You should really question yourself why you don't want to answer that question". She most probably would've dodged that question but it hopefully would've planted a seed. I sometimes really want to shake these people awake

Notice she said locally grown "food". It's disassociating the identify from victim, very common thing murderers do. They will refer to them as "the child" or "the girl" and not call them by their name.

@@harveyplantharvester1502 Yeah I wish meat eaters were honest. Because I personally dont give a shit about most animals.

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Well, veganism isn’t rational because it's founded on the emotion of empathy.

@@rodionraskolnikov3853 yep, in nature, animals do not care for each other, they care about survival, it just so happens we are Apex predators who are able to eat whatever meat we want.

@@rodionraskolnikov3853 Can I ask you a question? What is a trait that is true of animals, that if true of humans would justify killing them for food?

@@GoonaTVhi Animals aren’t held to the same standards as humans because they can’t rationalize their actions. Animals do plenty of things that are unacceptable for humans to do so I don’t think the appeal to nature works. Some animals eat each other but I doubt you are in favour of cannibalism.

@@joseftollar6213 Animals are killed because they lack humanness in mind as well as form.

Your courage is very commendable. I can't even imagine what that is like for you. While nothing like being a vegan in South Africa, I can empathize with you. Small midwest town who's "vegan" restaurant serves half of its menu with meat. Thankfully I can cook!

Kudos Dini. I'm with you.

More power to you! You are a trailblazer.

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Is he tho? I mean he convinced me into veganism and out of it. (Well jordan peterson had hand in that) but the point is veganism is now a cult

@@rutherford5619 how is veganism a cult? 😂

My husband and I are in constant conflict over this.

@@rutherford5619, so, you ADMIT that you’re an animal-abusing criminal, Mr. Dog-eater? 😬🙄😬

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@@pseudohuman2645 Aged like milk lmao

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Every television host is like that 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 I hate it. They should have pit at least one person who likes this planet and wants to do better!

4 people frantically clutching at straws, trying to figure out some way to justify being a completely selfish c**t

Very rude.

They were not rude at all.

@@agentm00se We’re going to see this more and more now, moving forward. The meat eaters are no longer claiming veganism isn’t better for the planet; the honest ones aren’t even saying it’s not more ethical or healthier. They will clutch to this narrative of “we concede all that, but freedom of choice tho”

Holy shit, most of us would burst right there. Ed's composure is something else!

What does that mean? I dropped out of TCU. I am not as smart as you.

@@ricardosa3509 I was ready to explode at the end for Ed… but wow, he kept so much composure & just said ‘thank you’.. incredible

BRILLIANT! AGREED!

Morals are relative whereas humanitarianism is NOT and shouldn’t be which is why I would 100% agree with the others on the panel about livestock and livelihood. I care more about my own well-being and other human being’s well being because I am also a human being.

@@-rr-4172 sorry but no. humanitarianism is also a moral value, it is no less relative than discussions of the morality of animal consumption. Humanitarianism is the belief in the value of human life, that's a value judgement, a moral statement. Also you misrepresent the question that is relevant, the discussion about veganism is not about whether you care more about your own well-being as opposed to that of animals. It's about whether you care more about your own taste pleasure than about the welfare and lives of animals.

@@jasonfunderberker6955 No humanitarianism is not a 'moral value'. It's completely rational without the need for morals (although very briefly, i just did in my original post). MORAILTY IS RELATIVE therefore eating nothing but grass is a personal choice. No I didn't misrepresent the question, it is entirely relevant. Easy to win a game if you're the one making up the rules.

@@jasonfunderberker6955 Humanitarianism is not a 'moral value'. It's the promotion of human welfare. That's it. I fail to see how that has anything to do with 'morality', you could argue that it is entirely selfish and you would be correct. But i highly doubt you'd lay down your life for an animal you have no connection to.

please have compassion and understanding for them as well. after all, this could have been most of us if someone didn't take the time and understanding to explain to us what was happening to the animals

@@tvedits3644 True, but we're literally running out of time. Action is needed right now.

@@tvedits3644 These are people who have scratched and clawed their way to the top of Mainstream Media, where it takes a lack of morals to reach. They have an agenda that does not include caring about animals. I consider them a different species of subhuman, with many being psychopaths.

You've clearly never had a conversation with a bigot lmao. Did you know approx half the population is politically right wing? Wake up buddy, you guys make everyone an enemy by ostracizing everyone that doesn't agree with you.

@@jinxterx absolutely, I completely agree with you. we are in this fight together. however, it does appear that compassion and listening to the other side are more effective when wanting to create change through conversation otherwise, you're arguing with people's egos instead of morals.

Not sure I'd give them that much credit.

and vegans are outsmarted by ralph

the unfortunate part is the "personal choice tho" argument is what will resonate with the largely carnist audience. for anyone who lacks an innate philosophical mindset, they will never ask themselves "what action could not be justified using personal choice?"

Yep, which is why I think he should expand the question. It's not JUST "Is taste worth more than life of an animal?" It's "Is taste worth more than the life of an animal, the health of the planet we live on, and the health of yourself and your loved ones?" Because zoonotic disease is more rampant than people know and that disease is very much a hazard to yourself and your family. It would be ludicrous for someone for willingly and knowingly want to cause that kind of suffering to their spouse and children. (even though I know it does happen.) And that guy who was on about sheep and stuff at the end looks like a walking heart attack or stroke waiting to happen.

They didn't actually make an argument for that, they just made a statement. They have yet to actually provide an argument for why it ought to be a personal choice. An argument meaning a set of premises and a conclusion.

@@cynicalidealist11 yup, that's a very good point. 👍

@@mattyp2271 I think you’ll find that in civilisation they are enslaved, kept in large indoor factories, tortured, raped etc before then being killed at a young healthy age. I think I’d prefer to live free in nature to then be eaten alive when I get too weak.

Ed indeed deserves respect for being calm and collected. But it's not difficult to perceive at least two erroneous claims of veganism: 1) non-human animals are persons, 2) eating meat is murder. Unfortunately, Ed holds this extremist view.

Eating animals is morally indefensible and everyone with a brain knows it.

@Danny it is hard to get people to understand that humans ARE animals. So we have no more inherent value in the universe than a chicken. It is reality. Hard to accept, but a fact.

@@MM-mu5pz You write, "Eating animals is morally indefensible and everyone with a brain knows it." Of course, many non-human animals have a brain but don't know that it is morally indefensible to eat animals. You are right to imply, though, that human beings ought to be held to a higher moral standard than irrational animals. But that contradicts the vegan claim that there is no essential difference between human and non-human animals. You write that "humans ARE animals." Yes, they are rational animals. Non-human animals are irrational animals. Our rational nature is precisely what sets us apart from irrational beasts. Since we are capable of abstract intellection, which is not reducible to brain activity, we must be endowed with an immaterial soul. Thus, the value of human beings is incommensurable with the value of non-human animals.

​@Danny By assessing distinctive behaviors, we may ascertain distinctive ontological beings: inanimate objects, plants, animals, persons. Rocks aren't plants: they are not endowed with a sentient nature. Plants aren't animals: they do not move themselves. Animals aren't persons: they are not endowed with a rational nature. Nor do they have an inviolable right to life. In fact, they are ordered to human flourishing.

You could tell from their introductions what their biases about vegans and veganism were. For instance, with the "freedom of choice" argument, you could tell that guy from the outset thought vegans are here to take away his choices and force him to change his life. Of course, if you think someone is coming to force you to change your whole life, you'll be more militant against them. You could tell the guy at the end was thrown off when Ed said he wouldn't make consuming animal products illegal if he were in a position of power to do so. They all had their guards up from the get-go.

He had Such little time to get a point across. Also I’m enjoying your card counting videos !

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Well said!

Specially in Europe if you find yourself in small cities.

Best comment! 💚💚🙌🏻

True!

What worked for me is sit down and watch documentaries with my family. From then on they never questioned our decision to go vegan, including our kids.

This comment is underrated a.f. 9 likes in one year? Let me fix that.

exactly!

It’s sad that Ed wasn’t able to respond to that. I bet he would have said exactly this!

"We live in a free society." Animals not included tho...

@@TKubiak no? it's a pretty stupid response... "we" just means us who are members of society lol.. of course "we" doesn't include the animals. extremely stupid response. Ed would have agreed, we do live in a free society, but there are still restrictions as to what we can't do - such as murder, or harm others. would it be any harm to our freedom to extend our restriction of being inable to murder, or support murder, towards animals? does your freedom necessarily require the ability to kill innocent beings? a response like that makes much more sense than "WE??? B-BUT ANIMALS" really stupid point

@@HeteroflexibleMerus ok? not the point of 'we'....

Easy work for ed as per.

Thank you

And you yourself are doing great work too, Joey ♥️🙏

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Joey, you and Ed are LEGENDS.

Live and let live only works if you let live

Yep an easy cop out, I like to ask them what if Jeffrey Dahmer said that about his choices. If respond with something like humans are not animals (they are) then it's the name the trait argument which is not possible to win.

Not that long ago, everyone (especially in my leftwing town) would be so hateful of anyone driving a Hummer. Yes it's their choice in regard to what car they buy, but they're still selfish pricks because they could choose a car a little better for the environment. But no, merely for their pleasure, they choose to be as destructive as possible. Food is even more necessary than owning a car, and animal agriculture worse for the environment than all forms of transportation combined. It may be their "choice", but we're all going to suffer from so many people making such selfish choices. And this includes ofc themselves suffering, not that they care. I know people who've had massive flood damage (recent flooding caused by climate change), and they'd never go vegan to help out. I just don't understand people.

Choosing to abuse 😖

@@zodd67 At least Jeffrey Dahmer played good host to his victims first before drugging them. You can't say the same for anyone who tortures and abuses animals.

And being constantly accused of wanting to control other people's way of living for no reason

@@jansojele289 "But it's my choice, and everyone has the right to choose for themselves to be a slave-owner or not." /s These people have literally no idea how to argue in a meaningful way. Nothing but fallacies and bad arguments punctuated by forced references to brexit.

Right… not only is sensory pleasure not worth more than a life…. But vegan food is so delicious it’s not even like you are denied sensory pleasure to begin with!

@Adriana Kolev I guess it's the combination of taste and habit. People refuse to stop eating what they are used to. And the myth that there are some magical nutrients in animal products that cannot be found in plants, is still stuck in the minds of people.

Hahahaha yeah Ed is so smart omg, and we're on his side so we're smart too, look at us and how smart we are compared to the stupid meat eaters, hahahaha, we're amazing, go us! We're in love with ourselves and everybody should be like us! Woohoo! :D

@@SourceChan are you ok?

If they ate meat without the spices and coloring,they would puke up, real healthy meat eaters ,obesity,diabetes etc, always their Rights above all others

It’s their way of saying “I don’t question your choices [to be an ethically-consequent person]” therefore you shouldn’t question mine. It’s an escape point.

Yeah I can’t stand it when they say that!!

@@discursion yeah it's like they want to divert your attention from animals rights issue

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I don't quite understand why Vegans feel the need to tell you they are a vegan as soon as they meet you, I never feel that my dietary needs define me, its just a part of me.

yeah maybe then those old sods might live to be your age.

Your diet is deficient so no its not healthy

@@andylucas6962 Andy it's ok to say its a big change and you're not sure if you could do it. Honestly as someone who has been a vegan for a year and half trust me it's really easy and I'm just as ignorant as anyone else

@@jamesjohnson2394 I know 100% I can't do it... large amounts of grains and beans would kill my guts.

@@andylucas6962 There are over 80,000 different plant varieties out there. You don’t have to just eat large amounts of grain and rice.

Me too I usually lose my shit after ignorant comment #2

Literally. Been vegan 20 years and had hundreds of conversations and I hand on heart don't believe there is any logical counter.

Lmao thats a brilliant comparison

To be fair I do like boxing😂

Bet your popular at family get- togethers 🙄

@@tom4412 you are correct. Nobody wants to be reminded that they are making animals suffer (while also destroying the planet and their health in the process), especially when they know that they are willfully causing harm for no reason other than selfishness. In all seriousness, that can be very difficult for some people to accept.

It’s so rare to hear about people raised within that industry realizing the cognitive dissonance required to continue animal agriculture. You rock!

What an absolute load of bullcrap you talk 😂 the only time dairy cows will bellow out is if they are in heat moved to unfamiliar surroundings ie another farm or if they are late being fed or milked, I'm a 4th gen dairy farmer an been around them 40+ years and not one have they "cried" as you put it for there calf, you're just making up yet more propaganda the only thing v/activists-ARA cult are able to do just like braindead Ed does!

@@johns9315 Huh, is that why in numerous interviews with dairy farmers, the dairy farmers always make a point about the window of time that mothers bellow for the calfs when asked about it? All mammals have maternal instincts, especially ones as cognitively complex as cows. I think the only person bullshitting here is the person with the financial motivation to lie and bury the ugly truth.

He is brilliant !

those people are junk food plant based dieters almost a vegan

People are such sheep, and afraid to think deeply and be different. It's depressing.

right?? i watch videos like these so rarely (for mental health reasons lmao), and I had to check the date of this video half-way through, bc, "weak bones", "is veganism even healthy"? am i back in 2015? i thought this was common knowledge by now... one google search and you'll know vegans can thrive on their diet...

Battlecry of Bacon always, I’ll fight for my god given right to eat meat, drink ,smoke and get laid ,all I want to disregard for everything else

Yeah, and while Ed was only starting to make a more whole argument...being cut off after a sentence or two and asking whether she is persuaded... it's just funny.

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It's a fairly common type of question I hear in political talk shows when the host is handing the spotlight to a different guest but in this context it comes across as especially ridiculous since obviously you can't deprogram a lifetime of carnism in 30 seconds. Often it's phrased in the negative form, though. "You're not persuaded by this?" Rather clumsily phrased by the host.

@@komfyrion It could definitely have been worded more thoughtfully and neutrally, such as “what do you think about that?” or “Does he have a point?”

On TV too! None of them were ever going to say that they were persuaded. But to say that they're not persuaded allows the viewer the opportunity to also he dismissive of the message

I love his listening face, he gives them multiple opportunities to speak and proves to the public how Veganism should be considered from a very educated and ethical point of view. I am doing my best too to advise others, got my mate eating vegan sushi and randomly messaged me about it to show me he eat it. (Even though he didn't enjoy it but still!)

Wow, what a feat, amazing!

he was wearing more make up then her.. to hide vegan deterioration

@Danny LOL eating a raw steak or raw liver, is hard to mess up..

@Danny when you mean meat eater define a percentage... A person who eats Mc Donalds 3 times a day is a plant based dieter.. as it's 95%-99% plant based.. In order to be a meat based dieter it would have to be 76%+ meat/animal based =animal based dieter... 50/50% is omnivore 76%+ plants, is plant based dieter, typically a junk food dieter or 175-350kg of processed sugar a year dieter... it's hard to claim the standard american dieter is a meat eater when they consume upwards of 350kg of sugar a year( mostly from fizzy drinks and crisps.. ) the SADiet is Corn, wheat, soy and sugar...

I know you just trolling but someone that eats meet is a meet eater. Doesn’t mater if your diet is 0.1% meet or mainly plant based. It’s like saying I only murdered once every other time so I’m not a murderer. Mainly plant based is a good start tho:). The only good argument against a well rounded plant based diet is: I don’t give a f*** about anyone or the environmental impact I have so f*** all of existence, I do me brah.

@@MaskedOG Crop farm animal deaths you pay the farmer to hire hunters to kiII the animals on your behalf , so you can get low prices on your plant sludge crop protection is required for any plant that is grown. not just soy.. (but we know for real that it's actually being grown for humans anyways) i don't know if you have been to the store most the processed plant sludge on store shelf's has SOY in it you're not really vegan, being vegan does not really even exist.... it's only a personal mentaI lIIness you're trying to push onto others.. electricity is not vegan Disneyland(or it's movies ) is not vegan cars are not vegan your computer or cell phone is not vegan mostly everything in your house is not vegan

Exactly my thought. It would be brilliant!

Blue suit Brexiteer would definitely crack first. He spent the whole time hiding behind the personal choice argument, only occasionally emerging to agree with his fellow carnists.

They will get karma.

Wow, poor Ed, my heart breaks everytime he has to talk to more than one non-vegan at a time booohooo :'(

My misses was vegan to start with then game changes came out, now I’m vegan. Then her mum and dad made the change and her sister and husband, and ther son and out kids are. Never thought I’d do it but love the way I feel being whole plant based! Your right, things are ticking 😊

5 to 10 years and only half the population? No, much sooner than that. Envision how you want the world to be and it will manifest. Don't listen to mainstream's pessimistic statistics.

They all just got defensive like most people brainwashed by tradition, but they still got to say they are okay with it to remain politically correct lol. You can see the anger in their face when asked the tough questions.

Where's the evidence that they didn't listen? Pretty sure they just weren't interested, just like Ed truly isn't interested in hearing non-vegan perspectives if they don't chime enough with his own.

@@SourceChan I'm sorry but their arguments were pathetic in comparison though so why would Ed listen? Can you come up with anything better?

yeah their only argument was basically choice xD take a shot everytime they say the word choice and you get drunk very fast

What are you talking about? They had the most sound answer; personal choice, freedom of choice and allowing people to choose. Debunked.

@@filipecarvalho853 who in the world can actually force anyone to eat/not eat anything? Has a vegan ever come and taken a morsel from someone's mouth? It's a no brainer point that's repeated over and over again. Everybody agrees that there is choice. But that doesn't mean every choice one makes is necessarily good for the planet/life on Earth. When has having a conversation and education about an issue taken away a choice from someone?? 🙆🏻‍♀️

@@filipecarvalho853 If someone 'personally chooses' to adopt and torture dogs, purely because of the pleasure they get from hearing them in pain, is this acceptable to you?

@@Vamusika If I prefer to remain blissfully disassociated from the ethics of killing animals then just by you raising the dilemma I’m forced to plug my ears and hum “God Save The Queen” even if I don’t want. Not fair!🤨

It's like they are overcompensating by talking ONLY about what they like to eat to avoid tackling the moral choice that Ed emphasized in his intro. It was fascinating.

Part of it come from the name we give it. You don't eat a cow and a hen; you eat beef and chicken. (Well WE don't but you get the point)

That's the state of the world. There's a lot of people we never talk about like the perpetrators of violence who oftentimes were themselves violated or traumatized as children. But we don't care about them because they're easy to scapegoat or ignore, isn't it so?

Exactly. People including myself have been criticizing Ed for being too nice to people for in the first years of his online presence but he really had the right little pinch of aggressive drive in this one.

And the whole moral dimension is *because* its a choice. Everyone has that choice, and by admitting it one way or the other when in full knowledge of the reality of things, shows a certain... character trait... that either speaks to someones basic goodness, or pathological indifference or worse, cruelty.

Dude I know once said he doesn't need to have a justification for everything when I asked how he could justify eating animals. I wonder what else we can do without justification... anything.

@@davisantos3431 But he does have his justification; sensory pleasure and cultural practices. The issue is, he knows that justification is nonsense and wrong but he won't admit it.

@@satyasyasatyasya5746 no no, he did admit it. The "I don't need a justification" line came after he got cornered and acknowledged the ones he had weren't good enough.

“I decide it’s ok to blow up the moon, that’s my personal decision“

you just need the fake spray tan and you would look like trump

I think all vegans make that comment. I know I feel like that too.

@@theantiveganchannel3596 Donald Trump who is an avid meat eater, you mean?

@@radiocorrective McDonald 95-99% plant sludge Vegtard

The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.

I wouldn’t say listening to someone refute bad arguments is necessarily grounds to think veganism is better. If you really want to know what’s true, then engage with the best arguments the opposition has to offer. if their responses still seem lacking, then you have a very strong reason to believe that veganism is true.

The types of subhuman psychopaths featured on Mainstream Media don't give a hang about animals and are unable to think logically. They can only be persuaded with huge cash bonuses and spotlights.

People like you are making me consider stopping being vegan.

This is why I'm a misanthropist. Most humans are evil apes.

What does he do but lead kids down a path of illness in the name of the religion of anorexia-vegana

@@robertcohen8554 So spread love, It's the only way to break the chain.

@@user-dy2ok6km2u enjoy your cancer, heart disease, stroke, hypertension, early death, obesity, etc. etc. While vegans are far healthier than you'll EVER dream of.

@@robertcohen8554 enjoy your meditation diet lol