I have a crackpot theory that the 11th primarch was the host of malice himself. Goes like this: There’s a high probability that primarch souls are actually warp deities, as shown through the 2 warp angels that are soul bound to the blood angels. Assuming that theory is true, that would explain both Malice’s absence from the setting and his unique ability to be able to exist in real space. There’s a smaller warp entity that claims to be malice to the space marine chapter that follows it but it’s never shown any indication it’s even as strong as Drach’nyn, much less is a chaos god. This also means that the emperor went through the portal on Molech to bargain with the gods he wanted to inhabit his sons, not the dark gods, which explains why they see him as a threat. He’d bypassed their control of the warp by removing their potentially strongest rivals and making them his own generals. Malice hates chaos,so much so it wouldnt be hard for the emperor to convince him to join his cause. By taking Malice out of the warp while still an immature, gestating chaos god like slaanesh was long before her birth, the emperor was able to remove him from the feedback loop of negative emotions shaping his development, and instead allowed his essence to absorb the power those emotions created, but having his disposition be formed through the lens of a gene crafted trans human subconsciously wired to protect humanity. Despite this, there’s no way even a primarchs form could handle Malices growing power and thus started to mutate. This explains why he was redacted from history, to keep his true nature secret, but also why it’s said that the sons of the lost primarchs weren’t punished, only the primarchs were. It’s likely the emperor put the 11th in stasis while his sons were mind wiped and absorbed by the ultramarines, and he’s now a time bomb waiting to be activated. This explains the existence of subject 11, why the 13th legion boomed in size around the same time as his redaction, why sanginius fears the emperor learning of his gene flaw, and why none of his brothers see him as a traitor, rather, as a tragedy. Guilleman even left him and his other lost brother a place at his council table on Macragge. The pieces all fit together but GW won’t ever be ballsy enough to do anything with the lost primarchs so it’s still a crackpot theory

​@@ianharrison5758Thank you for the amazing headcanon.

​@@ianharrison5758Superb👍take! Now, of course, you realize you must take pains to stay hidden from the Inquisition with such a credible assumption... 🫡😉😁

@@BMichaelGalloway I have eyes and ears everywhere, and informants within many Ordos. I have no need to hide, the inquisition would never be able to find me without me getting advanced warning, and even the most zealous of them all eoidknt exterminatus Terra itself

Slaanesh Daemon: "Ooo hello there, big boy." Custodian: "Hello, how are you?" SD: "I am so # R E D A C T E D B Y O R D E R O F H I S H O L I N E S S U P O N H O L Y T E R R A# " C: "... that's nice?" SD: "You know what I want." C: "I do! And we're having drinks later, some nice, decent conversation!" SD: "... ohhh you bloody tease."

@@iona2225 Mebe they can paint the others nails and watch bad movies while eating ice cream too.

​@@theodoreslavo5385so your saying cheesey platonic friendship with nothing remotely romantic or sexual about it is pain to a slaaneshi daemon? Sounds about right

"how's the corpse emperor?" "Ooh he's okay, I worry about him sometimes, he just seems so sad."

Aren't Custodes supposed to be almost complete automatons with their personal interests being summarised as "standing around"?

MY PLEASURE! THANKS FOR MAKING IT!

Considering how it is like the SCP, then the Inquisition is like the GOC in a way.

Which art is that?

Maybe The Big E was part of the O5.

well, not that scary, the emperor made the thunder warriors and custodes so he wouldnt have to just force everyone with his psychic might to bend the knee to him (yes he would easily be able to subjugate all mankind if he wanted to), the emperor alone solo's nearly the entire verse

If Astartes are Wolves, Custodes are Lions

Yeah i stopped watching right there and am never coming back to this BS channel. Pretty easy to post this on the 40k subreddit to prevent many others from coming here as well. It has Black Library in its name and the idiot running it doesn't even know the basics. Normally you could say it was a slip of the tongue when recording, but they doubled down on the stupid and listed the total number of "Space Marines" operating in the galaxy as an example of how strong these Adeptus Custodes "Space Marines" are. This place is a cash grab looking for ride the 40k popularity wave.

@@viciousyeen6644 that explains their combat techniques not necessarily their superiority

Qeq

@@bmorebread8993 In lore, the Custodes are vastly superior to Astartes, both physically and mentally.

SCP style 40k Vault underneath the Imperial Palace? Well yes please.

Exactly, so much of 40K just gets reduced to “chaos is everything bad” but it’s a huge, ancient galaxy with A LOT more that just chaos

Men of Iron, horrible xenotech, maybe even stuff like the Keys Of Hel that the Iron Hands have/had. There are plenty of horrors both human made and xenos to lock up in there. The Dark Age of Technology and the subsequent Cybernetic Revolt saw weapons that could bite holes in the information substrate of reality, or warp time around them. We saw nanotech plagues show up a couple of times as well including a chaos tainted weapon called the Bloodtide. Warp stuff might also not just be Daemons or Chaos. Psykana or psychic technologies such as those used in the titans of the Ordos Sinister were off limit to all but the Imperial Household and if The Emperor had the technology to make Psi Titans at his disposal I'm sure there are things even worse in those vaults. Finally, let's consider dangerous minds, prisoners who knew secrets that had to be kept but could never be allowed out. Perhaps locked in stasis or cryopods for centuries etc.

If it was corporeal then trazyn would have raided the vaults clean by now..

​@@livefromtheblacklibrary The watchers, if you are interested in that kind of stuff, of the Dark Angels, the little hooded xenos that follow them around, scare the absolute shit out of even greater Demons, there is an account of when a Greater Demon of Tzzencht with a love of being a trickster ran into one while it was rampaging thought the rock, it stopped stared at the xeno, looked under the hood, and essentially shat bricks, paled, screamed and fled like the Scooby Doo Gang came across the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Because there is something there. Elsewhere, watching. Essentially insinuating that there is another dimension with its own entities, that the watchers are just.... An extension of, that horrify even Daemons. It's the OTHER dimensions than the warp that are barely hunted at in the lore that REALLY interest me. I think another esoteric one is the.... Ghost Stars? Which allude to be connected to something.... Else. Warhammer 40k has aspects of it that are horrifying to even the Daemons and forces of order in that universe.

Probably lol

Now i need to ponder how many Cthulhus it would take in order to bring down a Custodian

@@OljeiKhan Obviously too many, cus they’re all gone and there’s still 10,000 custodes

@@shaunzaarrae3727 hmm i guess the math checks out 🤔

@@OljeiKhan I loled

Shrek 5 is there too

The Shrek Christmas special

Maybe subject 11 is a woman

Pretty sure its the emperors web browsing history

Tha fandom has universally agreed the Big E is an ass man

OH YEAH, loooot of fucked up stuff in the Sol system lmao

@@livefromtheblacklibrary including the lovecraftian horror under the grey knights fortress

The Dark Angels fortress monastery 'The Rock' holds untold naughties too

Yeah, I’d love to see those two

@@SeventhSeraphOfficerRevolver what’s the story behind that then, I love lovecraft cosmic horror

It’s definitely a cat girl

@@ianharrison5758 even in the grimdark darkness of the 41st milliemium there are still catgirls. Maybe the emperor waifu is a catgirl should this fact get out not even Tzeentch could predict what would happen.

God I need to catch up on Eisenhorn, I’ve only read his and Ravenors trilogies

i have to agree

The Khrave are not only aliens mind controllers, they are basically the 40k version of Vampires. Not like blood angels or night lords vampires, like fantasy vampires. Old Rogue Trader had vampires be these bat like warp entities that would possess and mind control people, turning whole planets into their zombie like thralls. We don’t have those anymore, but the only artwork we have of the Khrave is exactly that, warp entities that posses humans and turn them into bay like monsters that devour humans. Personally I love them and with they were more present.

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They Dark Angels killed the Autocthoniar, which was like the primogenitor of the Khrave species made by the Old Ones to fight in the War in Heaven. Their empire was destroyed, but I believe members of the Khrave species are still around.

Well we can kinda sure that II are highly hinted to be dead as it was in the book that Russ is the one who do it on Big E command. XI however is also hinted to be locked in the vault as there is a cell where Lock-Warden are guarding call “Project XI”

@@Gow-13510 the point is that they're still being kept, dead or not

Very true. The only Primarch we know for certain the Emperor wanted to censure and kill was Angron, and he only went ahead with it just before the start of the heresy. Now with how bad Angron was, could the lost Primarchs have possibly been that much worse? I think it was more due to their power, not loyalty, that they needed to be wiped from history.

@@spaghettimkay5795 In lore they were each given a title. One is the purged and one is the forgotten. As well as Leman Russ does state that he dislikes the idea of killing another brother. Which in my opinion means that only one of them was killed. I am combining a lot of different lore with this and it might not work under greater scrutiny but what I think happened was the following. During the Rangdan Xenocide, which was described as an existential issue for humanity and of what little we know is that the Rangdan were pretty much consumers of the mind and bone. I interpret this as being a bit metaphorical and that the Rangdan were not actually a xenos race, just hyper advanced humans who used technology to change themselves to a point where they practically are a xeno race (See the leagues of Votann as an example) and with this they offered a different approach to what the Emperor had in mind for humanity so he decideed to wipe them out. Now with this I would think they may have been able to convince the second Primarch to join them but the majority of his legion did not follow. Which led to Leman Russ Purging the Second. For the 11th I think something else happened. Due to Mortarian's hatred of him as well as Magnus' stated dislike of the 11th I highly suspect the 11th to being the more powerful blank in the setting. Only being rivaled by the pariah field the Necrons are setting up. And due to the nature of him not being able to be percieved by others that he was slowly breaking down mentally to being insane. I base this off the fact that Kharn the betrayer has killed Sisters of Silence without even being able to see them. I suspect the Emperor due to him being probably the only one who could communicate with the 11th that he will 'fix' him in due time where he was locked away in these Dark Cells as they would be the only place that could hold him as another project on Terra. But as the Horus Heresy happened no one had the knowledge to help the 11th out so over time with the solitude he went completely insane. With him occasionally breaking out and being locked back into one of the Dark Cells, by a number of Shadowkeepers. A bit more evidence to this would be that Subject 11 is described as having combat abilities greater than that of a Custodes. I suspect that is not just because he is the 11th Primarch but also since he cannot be percieved it amplifies his abilities. Where he would be Forgotten with the only thing of him remaining is the title Subject 11. This is just my headcanon for those two.

@@theemperorofmankind3739 I have a crackpot theory that the 11th primarch was the host of malice himself. Goes like this: There’s a high probability that primarch souls are actually warp deities, as shown through the 2 warp angels that are soul bound to the blood angels. Assuming that theory is true, that would explain both Malice’s absence from the setting and his unique ability to be able to exist in real space. There’s a smaller warp entity that claims to be malice to the space marine chapter that follows it but it’s never shown any indication it’s even as strong as Drach’nyn, much less is a chaos god. This also means that the emperor went through the portal on Molech to bargain with the gods he wanted to inhabit his sons, not the dark gods, which explains why they see him as a threat. He’d bypassed their control of the warp by removing their potentially strongest rivals and making them his own generals. Malice hates chaos,so much so it wouldnt be hard for the emperor to convince him to join his cause. By taking Malice out of the warp while still an immature, gestating chaos god like slaanesh was long before her birth, the emperor was able to remove him from the feedback loop of negative emotions shaping his development, and instead allowed his essence to absorb the power those emotions created, but having his disposition be formed through the lens of a gene crafted trans human subconsciously wired to protect humanity. Despite this, there’s no way even a primarchs form could handle Malices growing power and thus started to mutate. This explains why he was redacted from history, to keep his true nature secret, but also why it’s said that the sons of the lost primarchs weren’t punished, only the primarchs were. It’s likely the emperor put the 11th in stasis while his sons were mind wiped and absorbed by the ultramarines, and he’s now a time bomb waiting to be activated. The emperor likely had plans to contain the mutations and potentially fix them, as he knew about all the gene flaws and malcador was even able to bring The Khan back to life, and the emperor implied once he could even still revive ferrus manus, meaning they likely could access the true soul of the primarchs and interact with it on a deeper level than just psychic power. Then he got put on disability benefits by Horus and now there’s 2 reality altering things on Terra capable of potentially creating a new eye of terror: subject 11 and the Talisman installed into the golden throne set to detonate should the throne fail and deal a blow to chaos they could never recover from. This explains the existence of subject 11, why the 13th legion boomed in size around the same time as his redaction, why sanginius fears the emperor learning of his gene flaw, and why none of his brothers see him as a traitor, rather, as a tragedy. Guilleman even left him and his other lost brother a place at his council table on Macragge. I also believe that the Terminus Decree is to release subject 11 and essentially let Malice, still bound to a mutated but loyal form, go on a very enthusiastic walk across the galaxy. The risk comes from the possibility of Malice potentially betraying the imperium due to the sudden backlash of waking up a fully formed chaos god in a primarchs body after 10k years in stasis driving him mad and leading to him going on an unstoppable rampage across the galaxy. If he’s loyal, he alone can buy the imperium time to regroup after whatever happened that caused the decree to he invoked. If he’s not, he immediately kills everyone on Terra and sets of the Talisman of 7 hammers. This then destroys the mortal forms of both he and the emperor and let’s both ascend to the warp as true gods. This would create a massive storm within the warp, and since the loss of terra means the astronomicon is destroyed, both real space and the warp and thrown into unfathomable levels of chaos as both dimensions power hierarchy is compromised. Essentially if it goes bad after malice wakes up shit hits the fan in a way that makes the war in heaven look like a warmup

Absolutely, I love picking over little things like this

Yep, and thats like an absolute plan Z

there is a box underneath the palace that the emperor has stated not to be opened until it appears the imperium is to be destroyed. there are instructions in the box for what to do, although no one knows what those instructions are. its certain the dark cells will be involved with these instructions.

JESUS CHRIST

@@livefromtheblacklibrary it's dumb yeah but it kinda makes sense imo

Honestly, it sounds like the loyalist version of the daemonculaba for some reason.

@@garberasandor9699 That's so fucking horrifying and I'm 100% here for it

I like the idea that he's a blank more. Think about what the culexus assassins can do and then how devastating a primarch tier blank could be, probably even affecting the emperor. We have magnus the most powerful psyker, and 11 the most powerful blank.

I’ve found more info about the 2nd and 11th and yeah they’re absolutely both dead

@@livefromtheblacklibrary maybe but its hardly new to the imperium to 1984 style someone's fake death, and the big E has a history of keeping information from his sons "for their protection" so i wouldn't necessarily keep them out of the game yet.

@@livefromtheblacklibrary well this isn't entirely true as there is no concrete evidence of their fates. Though there is a strong indication that #2 was "Lost" and #11 got "purged", there is no reason to believe #11 got killed. During the siege of terra the Emperor offered magnus forgiveness, but it would come at the cost of his sons, his legion would be purged. So it makes sense he could have captured one while their legion was wiped out. The writer definitely knew what they were doing using the number 11 lol, throwing gas on the flame.

What?

@@ethanmueller8218 EX-TER-MI-NATE

But still '11' because that's not obvious.

I really need to read up on the Rangdan

@@livefromtheblacklibrary like the black cells there ain't much but what's there is really interesting

It’s mentioned like VERY sparsely across the heresy I think but that’s it

@@livefromtheblacklibrary yahhhh. 1d4Chan sums up what little we know pretty well if that helps

I’ll check that out!

Yeah and their design is cool as hell as a paint job!

@@livefromtheblacklibrary It is! I've decided to paint their accompanying Sisters of Silence in matching colours too

I am Alpharius. This is a lie.

From guillemans inclusion of them on his council table he designed to seat all his Brothers and his father, and the lion, who was ready to off G man if he was a traitor, didn’t disagree, it’s implied that while they may not have had a close bond with either primarch, both clearly saw their fates as tragedies to be remembered and honored. Horus does as well in his exchange, questioning malcadors right to remove the statues dedicated to the honors the legions have earned. Malcador chokes Horus specifically because he was going to say the name of one his brothers and malcador got so pissed he told Horus that if he kept it up he would UNMAKE him.

Pretty good theory, probably is true.

@@catosicarius3027 Subject 11, just say it all in my opinion.

I'm almost sure he is in the dark cells

Probably...

@@catosicarius3027 mission successful...once again you Cato Sicarius......(walk off)

This idiot doesn't even know that basic crap. They aren't a 40k fan, just some late-comer trying to ride the wave of 40k popularity right now.

@@Mutiny960 based, and I appreciate it. I knew something was off with this dude.

@@KonnyKhaos As the 40k TV Show gets closer we can expect a lot more of this di**-rider BS.

@@Mutiny960 well there’s always true loreheads like us who’ve been in the hobby for 20 years to call them out. Its a shame someone is spreading literal misinformation about such a loved IP for clout…

@@KonnyKhaos That's the kicker this is basic information. It's akin to calling yourself a chef and not knowing how to cook an egg.

Cypher: I will help you in that.

YEP

HOLY CRAP ITS YOU! I’m honoured!

@@livefromtheblacklibrary :) Im nobody special :) But thank you!

I mean, they don't necessarily need to be traitors to receive this treatment. Which means the reasons why they were forgotten and purged are far different than the expected.

@@natanaelsantos3924 but it would have to have been something massive to need that type of response. Look at the mistakes of Magnus and Lorgar, even after that they remained. I imagine it wasn’t treachery, since that was a foreign concept up until the HH; or the Thunder Warriors before that.

@@natanaelsantos3924 but ultimately it’s about Dorns perception of how those two legions would have interfaces, despit being “forgotten” he feels even that legion would side with the loyalists.

@@vicstanfieldshire7754 All in all, this thing is just a massive hole in the lore to be filled when necessary by some book of the Black Library.

@@natanaelsantos3924 I like the “build your own legion” concept…. Mine is that one of the legions used blackstone incorporated into their ceramite and Bolters / Swords and they were sent into the warp long ago to battle chaos.

More or less especially will all the withheld information

I really need to read up on those more

AYYY HUGE THANKS DUDE!

Promotion, yes

Oh I know, I just kinda misspoke

Wasn't that given to the grey knights chapter master by mal?

@@user-yc3yy8nd3w correct

Wait he’s the reason for WHAT

@@livefromtheblacklibrary the rise of the men of iron?

OH GOD WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT

@@livefromtheblacklibrary its an educated guess ,the only thing that can really undermine the emperor more than almost anything would be an idea in such a caliber

Honestly my entire analysis got shitcanned so I’m waiting for all 12 cards to drop before making the last video, I’m honestly pretty stumped but I’m figuring it out!

No one does, except the idiots in here. This channel owner is a Fraud.

@@Mutiny960 Strong words. Please elaborate.

@@Dadecorban Calling Custodes "the best of the Astartes" is like calling Astartes "the best of the Imperial Guard". No fan with the audacity to put Black Library in their name would make such an obvious blunder. This is 40k 101. But a person who got lucky making 40k memes looking to just pump out more content to capitalize on the franchise's current popularity since the show announcement? Yeah, they'd definitely do that.

SCP foundation with some balls yes

Even more likely than that it’s nothing and it a throwaway name that GW will never mention 🙃

@@livefromtheblacklibrary knowing GW, that is a highly likely probability

There’s so many cool things that just NEVER get touched on

@Live! From The Black Library that's why I'm glad RPG games exist. The Omega Vault is another thing sorely underutilized

Wait what’s that? :o

To be fair, there are at least 2 entities that just CAN'T be killed.

Yeah absolutely, like they’d just be brought back in the eye of terror

I think it just punctuates how dangerous these things are and it adds a bit more to the lore, like the mystery adds more to things

@@livefromtheblacklibrary Exactly, how the lore is always told in whispers and legends of old, leaving spaces, adds so much mystic and possibilites and that anything can happen, which in this case is actually great

Yeah absolutely, though it can be a bit frustrating at times imo

Likely one of those, yeah

IF YOU DON’T STOP ILL TURN THIS CAR AROUND

@@livefromtheblacklibrary dark being entity"(SLAP) live from the black library"THAT'S IT... YOU'RE GOING DOWN TO THE LOWER,LOWER SUB LEVELS"!!!!

Based

@@livefromtheblacklibrary Presumably "Walter White" was one of the various faces The Emperor wore throughout his life and after finding out It That Craves was immortal as well, he had it locked up for later study and just kind of...forgot about it.

@@livefromtheblacklibrary Freebased?

Just chillin

@@livefromtheblacklibrary chillin with the lockwarden.

Just looked up who that is and holy SHIT we sound A LOT like!

@@livefromtheblacklibrary yea i had to check you weren't the same person but great video my guy