Absolutely

@@kennedymrshall9641 I didn't hear them take no sides Wachu talkin bout ?

@@kennedymrshall9641 plus they all on the same label

I'm trippin off Meth saying LL always takes it out of context. Personally I don't think He ever challenged, or battled, anyone of the same financial backup. Both Cannabus AND Kool Moe D are lyrically BETTER. (My opinion) And who was Hammer, and Ice-T to battle? L is the man, but if it weren't for his songs to the ladies, (his largest fan support) he would have most likely faded away like many artist who were better than him. Def Jam+Sex selling+decent lyrics = longevity

Last of all, LL admitted he got emotional, in his feelings about it........

Lol

Lol

So busy and they needed the sound clip 😂 and caught up with him mid haircut

And he was stoned as hell, too lol

​@@smartyhardy8924red

Me too! Lol

The latter part!🎯💯

Me too🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

CLASSIC!!!!!!!

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+El Toquinho AND that laugh! Lol.

+El Toquinho Yeah KRS pissed me off he still not understanding that even if LL felt it was a shot he came to Canibus and asked him to rewrite the verse and he did and LL dissed him anyway?? Thats bullshit.

cali67918 *STFU*, Can-I-Bus fanboy.

+cali67918 Krs is right and it's ll cool j song and album he can do whatever he wants and he did.

+dutchieboy22 What does have to do with the fact the Canibus changed his verse and LL Still dissed him? Thats a bitch move plain and simple.

LL a Beast🙌 but Canibus 2nd round knockout diss is probably one of the hardest tracks of all time🔥🔥🔥

I am older than hip hop. With that said, LL is from the old school and battling is something he did day one. LL had what we called braggadocios back then. Talking smack and backing it up. I need a beat, I'm bad Momma said knock you out. LL has no respect for anybody in the rap game talking about borrowing, of all things his mic. Rules of the game rule says I'm about to land on your head Bis. That's exactly what LL did. Landed in his head. Changing the verse was a demand, not a choice Old school rules dictate Meaning the damage was already done. LL's response is to the original verse. LL ain't letting that slide.

LL..lost this battle

There's a funny story to it... LL was a b!tch asking Canibus to rewrite his verse and LL's verse was clearly attacking Canibus. At that time LL cool J was on the front cover of the Source magazine with a crown on his head and five mic's. Canabis rewrote his verse : ,, I'm gonna snatch your crown with your head still attached to it..." And: ,, I fight for mic's..." In my opinion both verse's are dope!!!

So would you say that LL's diss was something that a homo rapper would do?

Trying to make that GIF right now lol

@@nc69chicano ROFL get it fam!

@Humble 9300 ROFL 100, B!

@Nev Reid That is so false lol. Uncle L DID HIM DIRTY THOUGH, not changing his verse after Canibus changed HIS? that's foul lol

But its true...lol

no, not really. Bis was very cheeky and got burned.

Bro, Bis either did 1 of 2 things. He either misunderstood L's verse, OR he dissed L after L put him on a song just to get a little notoriety. Either way its on Bis 100%. That's the undisputed facts son, and everybody in the industry and all the fans that were checking the shit at the time knows it. period.

The thing is: Bis was a newcomer. I understand you star struck. But if you wanna say a line about LL good or bad you should run it by him to see how he would react. Because you're a newcomer. It's different if Method Man would've said it. LL would've went to him like a man. But because Bis was young and up and coming LL saw it as a threat.

I agree, LL literally had the weakest verse even with the whole diss; some may argue master p had the worst verse, but I fucked with master p verse personally.

this is the correct answer. how dare this newcomer come on my song and spit that fire .Canibus verse was far better than everyones elses. it wasnt just slightly better or even debatable and that was the problem.

Bicth move indeed! That's why he got knocked the fuck out in the second round!

That’s Redman

@@j-r-m7775 No, thats Meth he's talking about.

@@rickyray2794 Yeah I saw what he meant later

Let's be honest: Both Red & Meth are **BOTH** in another stratosphere during their interviews.

bee boo YES! It's people like you that definitely know what true hip-hop is, and what true lyricism is, and that's great. Most of these mainstream rappers are corporate bitches, without lyrical skill (not all--but many). I had a debate recently with a kid that was saying that Lil Wayne is the "greatest" and all of this garbage. I told him to go to listen to (as an example of true, classic hip-hop) Binary Star's "Masters of The Universe" album, and he still didn't get it. Probably didn't listen. I think that a lot of people are brainwashed, including a lot of the mainstreamers. I mean, imagine a beef between Lil Wayne and Canibus, or against Mos Def or Immortal Technique, or Tech Nine or even MF DOOM. Lil Wayne would get destroyed and it wouldn't even be close. Money, fame, accolades get thrown out the window; they have nothing to do with lyrical ability. Most true poets end up dying penniless anyway. Hell, even Mozart died penniless! It's about the love of art, and skill and talent goes far beyond the money, as you know.

Agreed but yet not because alot of ppl never heard da track L.L DONT LOOSE. It was bout two tracks after ripper strikes back. He killed canibus but it was almost overkill cause the battle had been over. On the other hand LL had been got raped, fucked and molested by kool mo dee with LETS GO. Mannn, how ppl forgot dat slaughter!!!

You have to see the whole thing, because later Kris is applauding Canibus for his Second round K.O. diss and basically go get yours and against nobody better than LL

bee boo Yea, I know Canibus lyrically killled LL, Unfortunately the masses don't look at lyricism but money and status. Even Kool Moe Dee says that in the whole version of this that Canibus was better lyrically during the battle.

***** If you think KRS is wack your crazy. Some people don't like Kris, at times he get's preachy but to say he's wack is out landish.

Ricky Ray I feel the exact same way... Seeing as how KRS and Canibus stand for the exact same thing Real Hip hop.

Daniel Haze Then he defends a child molester..

While floured, you do have to understand his bias. He is one of the greatest ever, bit also, especially, one of the greatest of his generation,time,era, etc. He, and LL, along with Kane, Ra', & Kool G, where the exact same, just in their style/way. They where piers and even frienemiez . Its like Drake and Kendrick, the have a complicated and frienemieish relationship, but if Drake where ever in the situation/ ever hat to, he would probably diss for him. Don't know how that would come about, would have to be huge, but still ( or and for the record, no I'm not competing Drake & Kendrick w/ LL' & KRS. I'm mean I am literally, but only literary.) So like I stated, its floured , but empath-iable.

It dosen't matter perception it everything.

Krs is always biased towards something, dude never cares about the facts. He said bambata gets a pass to molest boys. Cant take dudes opinions seriously

This is the debate right here!!!! This is the debate right here!!! Smh he tried to justify his wrong

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+Kian Davis Really, if LL was a nobody, none of Canibus's lines would have made any sense. Come on dude. Even in a boxing match...a draw goes to the champion. Canibus never stood a chance. The King recognized him and got off the throne to battle him. Kudos to the King...it gave him more years in the game.

+Carlton Thompson I said if "you'd never heard of either of them"... meaning listening with unbiased ears... Canibus shit was flat out better!

💯💪foreal..Canibus was naaasty on the mic..I think that was a dickhead move on LLs part,chopping him down when he was just getting started.

Yeah, that no one heard of. You got to be a avid hip hop listener to know that cannibus track otherwise majority of America hasn't heard of it. Weak production.

Eminem won off his name too

99% of Canibus fans don't exist tho lol

+Raphael Nelson you know that don't make sense tho lol

lol It made sense to me. It doesn't have to be exactly factual, it's moreso that Canibus has very, very little fans in this world and LL is correct in that.

+hiephoi058 But we all know that isn't true

Raphael Nelson /watch?v=TAcT90Kv9uM

How he laughs at the end😂

Every great MC is arrogant. It comes with the sport

@Nev Reid of course they are. You'll find examples in many verses

KRS1 says Ll is the goat 🐐. Of course he's going to be bias 🙄

MrNeonKnights Back in the days, he always was 😃

*Meth*od Man.

So Red

You must not have heard the ripper is back LOL. LL went super sayian

You're a dulu

Ripper Strikes Back answered Canibus

Look at Cornypus, he can't walk down his own street! LOL!

It was NO blackball. When you get roasted like LL roasted him, it's over. Think Eminem and MGK only deadlier.

Exactly! I peeped the game too. Glad I ain't the only one!

+Anthony Anderson the nelly vs krs one battle is an example of what you're talking about as well

+TAUREAN AMMONS the only good line ll made was the 99% of your fans don't exist. thats literally it. 1 dope line doesn't mean the whole diss was dope lol

it did make jay z loose a bit of credibility as a lyricist. but just a bit.

LL's whole diss was tight. Canibus has better flow, perhaps more technical rhymes etc. but that isn't be-all,end-all. some of yall love to exaggerate

RomanceHD I mean you’re right, but Ripper Strikes Back went pretty hard though

Yet nobody bought or supported Canubus albums/career.. Where are all the "street" cats that support canibus?.. Guess all they can do is post negative comments about LL on the internet instead of supporting canibus as a fan. As lyrical as Canibus was, he destroyed his own career and if anything he should thank LL for putting Canibus in the spotlight like that.. Canibus couldn't hold on to that 15 min of fame lol

LOL says the guy picking fights over the internet.. Remember, YOU insulted me first because YOU couldn't handle a comment i made about Canibus.. So YOU felt YOU had to defend Canibus from ME.. and then YOU did EXACTLY what I said you would do.. resort to insults because YOU have not facts to back YOU up.. and once again your response will be nothing but insults because you Lack the ability and knowledge to do otherwise.. Cuz in real life your to afraid to talk to ppl like that.. Insecure ppl insult others over the net.. please, continue to show your cowardice and insecurities..

LOL thats all you can say? crying and a nerd? I guess thats just how it goes being a canibus fan.. Nothing factual to do on.. While LL fans are intellectual.. Please prove me right, by giving me MORE insults ;).. and what does that say about you? insulting a NERD over the internet? lol

lol who is everybody? I dont know you or the multiple you's there are.. But here is something for sure.. I"ve exposed you as the troll that you are.. see facts do that.. So now that I have won, and proven my point, I can sail in the sunset lol.. Cuz thats what I do.. I prove internet trolls wrong with facts.. I've taught you something these last couple of days and any ignorant also reading, wether you accept it or not.. I win because you learned form me.. cuz I dont speak bunk.. lol and now that I have won, I'm out, never to respond to your pointless gibberish ever again.. Any body else want to have an adult conversation based on facts and intelligent opinions, i'm all ears though..

are u fuckin serious....

***** are you seriously questioning that

TheLegacy125 Yes i am, no one can toch ll cool j. specially not a nigga named canibus...

***** you dont know hip hop then

pretty sure i do

Lol I guarantee your white. Only you guys worry about black guys looks and say slick racist shit on the slide

Darryl Brumfield I've been trolled before nice try. But ya I'm white and how's that racist?

Darryl Brumfield who the fuck u kidding black dudes get on people's looks before anything if u ain't on point they'll roast u

N Diddy89 just saw this post. Have fun at the next party you go to sensitive drag queen. You trying to roast me and represent your gated community that will never get on the map I guess. Keep reppin' you badass keyboard warrior you!

Cade Kennedy worse

Only bummy people believe this..

Facts.

@@lexxdiamondz for real, I don't know one person I came up with that even remembers Canibus.

@@thnzxc i do listen to him just rn. Hes illest mc i heards. Better than k rhino better than MF DOOM and defo better than LL cool l. Canibus was never been about fame over his shit so fame simply isnt an argument.

Mic club the curriculum and Rip the Jacker had great production.

coolwaterz Agreed. He was great in group settings tho, like the Horsemen projects.

coolwaterz he was out of this world in lyrical assault ...but wasn't tops in making songs and concepts ....think his career could have been more successful still ...his first album was pretty good....

Yea idk how wyclef went from producing fugees albums to the canibus album. At least he got stoupe on jack the ripper

Rip the Jacker is very underrated

yeah, biggest fucking nose in history.

Juanito Alimaña you don't have to insult krs1

song4night how is that an insult? Look at the damn thing, looks like a mattress. Just pointing out a fact.

Juanito Alimaña a matress? so sleep on it.He breathe,you sneeze on it.weeze on it with asthma,then the pump,maybe dump on it,jump on it,get messy like shit,he legit,who you with?

i'm with canibus. KRS ain't shit to me.

Doesn't matter. LL Cool J did more for the hip hop culture with his first album (released when he was a teenager, mind you) than Canibus did in his entire career. Skills and intellect are useless if you can't use them to do anything.

***** I strongly disagree with what you said but at least you didn't call him feminem or slim anus or anything retarded like that.

MobKnowledge exactly

Thats right !

Music Taste Good 4 y latter but if ur saying eminem isn't a lord lyrcist you dumb asf

2:59 🤣

where is his career at Cannibus lost get over it

@@donnelladams6284 it's about lyrics not career dumbass

@@emmanuelmckoy5899 when Ll said “look over your shoulder that’s where you’re headed” 😂😂😂 He told no lie

​@@donnelladams6284 but canibus ain't acting coonery and WHITE like ll cool j is.

Excuse the typos, you get the point. One,

+Trizzmatic LLCOOLJ is a better lyricist than Canibus. Rock the bells is a more outstanding performance than Canibus's whole discography. Nvm I need Love, I'm Bad etc. Canibus is highly overrated. And for the record I rate "to the break of dawn" as a slightly better diss track than 2nd round ko

+zsivaz Sir, lets not confuse sells with skills. Truth is that LL had to stay relevant. But... thats rap. I see nothing wrong with LL being a bully. That shit was great for rap at the time. But for the record... Bis snatched the mic off LL's arm and handed it to him PERIOD

Rock the bells >>>>> Canibus Career

zsivaz True. Bis didn't have a chance or a fair shake against Uncle L.

This also makes me wonder why you would get a mic tatted on your arm if you gonna be such a bitch about what other people say on one? You asked for canibus talent on it, and then get mad when you hear what canibus says on it. In the end it wasn't canibus freely expressing canibus, it was canibus being stifled and bullied by a "legend" in the rap game.

He got hurt because he saw the lyrics and saw Canibus's own was better. Better to bully the newcomer into changing his lyrics and turn his own into a diss track to seem superior. People underestimate how older rappers can be jealous of the new ones. Recently Snoop Dogg tried to disguise his racism for Eminem but it was plain to see. Even KRS one spoke out of jealousy in this clip.

It was a smart business move for LL. It made a buzz and generated a new popping situation for him that would resonate well with hip hop lovers of the moment. He got everything out of it that he could.

3:00 😂😂😂

That first verse was wack lol

wack foh

Foh. Those are nursery rhymes compared to Canibus.

Lmfao

Lol!!

Dumb

@@skepchica no. Can you enlighten me

@@gatzu8599 In any part of the entertainment business the #1 rule is you respect the vet. You're there to learn and hopefully learn something. Cannibus needed his audience. You know how many vets never bother to bring anyone up? Everyone in entertainment is basically out for themselves-- so here is LL, who like him or not, personally I dont) putting this kid on, and he's "borrowing" something?? Gtfo 🤣🤣 He might have made a rookie mistake, but he kilt his career. That's why KRS face popped like that, if you know, you know.

@@skepchica wth happend to my reply?

@@gatzu8599 I dunno. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Yeah Canibus won a lyrical "on the street" level But LL Cool J won the battle overall within the industry cuz he made all the right moves, with his iconic status, he more so used the battle more as a marketing strategy Canibus didn't make any moves at all with this battle, he just made an amazing diss record as a response and then nothing after that, his career plateaued while LL kept his moving

+Mike DeSimone Very true. I guess LL won the war then.

+Mike Illmatic True. LL obviously had Def Jam behind him too. Even had Def Jam doin a contest at the time of the song on Hot 97 and they shut down anybody who voted Canibus won. Even Angie Martinez admited this. If they did that with a petty thing like that then they obviously did for bigger things. Thats the thing when you have a corporation behind you. I love & respect LL too, but he was foul in that situation.

jmaal2345 LL to me

Canibus was a different caliber of battle rapper...L is a legend but bis was super sharp...he took a L on that one

that's a fact

Still doesn't change the fact that ripper strikes back and ether are far superior.

Sea Pea it was like the takeover and ether together lol

@@davidjones6071 Haha what? Ripper strikes back is better than second round ko? Stop smoking crack man. RSB was just LL sreaming to make this sound fire. Bis killed him with 2nd round and burried with Rip the jacker.

@Patrick Thomas add more exclamation marks, maybe it will make your comment relevant

2:59 😂😂😂

3:26 😂😂

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@Mike Aries randy is a braindead mainstream fan. i mean, ll cant even come up with something better that rhymes with idolize instead of socialize? and this is a cultural icon? lol

Wtf yall talking about ?that rhyme is fire

Exactly. Shit likely went over his head.

Sifiso Mahlangu WHAT!? This is Hip Hop. it's all about your lyrics. If Canibus didn't have lyrics, LL wouldn't put him on the track 4321.

Sifiso Mahlangu stop smoking crack, thats why the game is all fucked up now.

The IronHorse Bus wasn't even disrespecting him LL was just looking for beef and then made him change his verse

Cade Kennedy man, but that still was some bitch ass shit to do lol

KageTrauma who cannibus

Cade Kennedy of course not nigga, LL. lol I mean damn if it bothered him so much he could have at least battled the nigga for real in the booth, and make it a hidden track on the album...thats what I wlda done.

KageTrauma u know what I was quoting. And I'm white and I'm cool with being called But ya. Anyway, I didn't hear anything. Was it on 4321?

Cade Kennedy I know you was quoting him lol this old as shit man. And I was saying LL was on some bitch shit lol.

Yes that’s him!😊