Loading a Skid Steer into a 7x12 Dump Trailer - Problems and Solutions
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2 жыл бұрынLoading a Skid Steer into a 7x12 Dump Trailer
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@ajpsawmill4314 2 жыл бұрын
You're going to destroy that trailer. I use a 24' equipment trailer for our skid and excavator. So much easier and safer. Enjoy watching your videos
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I have a gooseneck that I will primarily haul it on but I wanted to be able to use the dump trailer to haul it when I’m also hauling materials to or from a site Looks like I’ll need a bigger dump trailer. Thanks for watching
@curtanderson8655 2 жыл бұрын
Whatever comment I was going to make has already been said. Just hate to see something wore out before it's time. Keep up the great work.
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
I had a couple surprises come my way loading this the first time. I will adjust and figure it out. Thanks for watching
@chaseanonymous9327 3 ай бұрын
That trailer isn't rated to haul 10K pounds. Its rated to weigh 10K pounds when fully loaded. But I'm sure you know all that by now. Great videos man, thanks for making them
@jeremyj612 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video Brock. I recently purchased a 7x14 dump trailer. I went with the 14’ just to have flexibility with whatever I wanted to put in there in the future. Even loading my 1025r I wish I had stands built in. I used automotive jacks the first time or two but I don’t anymore. Still moves more than I want it to though. Looking through the comments a lot of people are suggesting other trailer types, but I appreciate the demonstration with a dump trailer. There’s a lot of guys like me who do side jobs or run a small business that can only have so many trailers due to room and cost, so we are always noodling out how to get the most versatility out of them. Also, if you’re a one man operation you can cut out a trip if you can get your machine and dump trailer to a site together. That was the biggest reason I went with a 7x14 so I count transport my tractor with an attachment in it. Obviously there are more ideal trailers to haul a skid steer, but this video could help people brainstorming of what combination of trailers and equipment to go after.
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I have a gooseneck that I can haul it on but I would like to sometimes take the machine and the materials in the same trailer. I thought 7 x 12 would be big enough and in general with dump trailers do you want to keep them light so you can put more in them. Clearly I need a 7 x 14 minimum
@davidmcnerney3048 2 жыл бұрын
Dump trailer is a swiss army knife. I purchased a 7x12. Mine has a chain to secure the dump bed to the frame when hauling equip so it doesnt act like that. 2 drop leg trailer jacks that fold horizontal or removed are the way i set mine up. I prefered the jacks that can be cranked up n down vs a jack stand type that can get pinched if the weight doesnt come off them or worse case get ripped off on someting.
@dortchsdiesels7483 2 жыл бұрын
Good video. I have a SureTrac 7x12 dump and haul my Kubota SVL75 in it. My ramps are longer and less steep. There’s also 4 d rings in mine for chaining the machine. Instead of kickstands, jack stands or some 12-16” logs work great. I keep 2 logs in my trailer to stick under the frame when I’m loading the machine. When I pull on forward with the bucket dumped all the way down, there’s room for a wheelbarrow behind the machine. The times I’ve backed it on I’ve had too much tongue weight. Never had an issue pulling on forwards and I’ve towed it for 5 hrs that way. Personally I’d either strap the doors on your trailer shut or chain them open to the sides, and weld some d rings to the trailer to chain the machine down. These trailers work great to bring the machine to the job and then bring materials to/from. I’ve hauled a Jeep Wrangler in mine with the doors strapped shut around the back bumper. Just keep your axles greased and keep an eye on your chassis, suspension & especially spring straps. I made some upgraded straps for mine out of 1/4” steel.
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. It already has the D rings in the bed
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
For 15% off of your Weigh Safe order use code: rockhill www.weigh-safe.com/ Thanks for watching
@bkb5668 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 16' trailer and it is still a bit tight 12' is not enough. Thanks for the videos!!!
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@FabbedFun 2 жыл бұрын
You need a ramp like Dukes of Hazzard! Good video... that trailer is handy but not perfect for every possible situation.
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@PineyGroveHomestead 2 жыл бұрын
My 20' equipment trailer has ramps with a built in "kickstand" so they are more like a wedge than a ramp so my trailer back end can't go down like that. Welding that under your ramps might work, but then they might be too heavy to pick up....mine are attached to my trailer. I guess the easiest solution is a jack stand for each side, but that's something else to find, store and likely forget and drive off leaving them behind. 🙃
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they also have them that are built into the trailer but you have to be careful with those. If the trailer squats too much they get stuck and you can’t raise them back up. That’s probably what I will end up with On my gooseneck I have the type of Rams you’re talking about and they do hold the back of the trailer up when loading. Can’t really do that on a dump trailer because they store under the bed
@PineyGroveHomestead 2 жыл бұрын
@@RockhillfarmYT I think Howboutcha Hank did a vid on installing jack stands like you are referring to.
@northeasterndirtandpropert7974 2 жыл бұрын
Been thru all of this with various trailers over the years.12 ft. trailers are just too small,not only for the basic units,but a lot of times you need extra attachments on the job.Power rake,GP bucket.You need a bigger trailer.And personally,If i were purchasing a bigger dump trailer,I'd go gooseneck. Gooseneck handles,tows and balances load better over the axles of the truck.Bumper pulls are great,but handling heavier loads are where fifth wheel OR goosenecks shine.I now run 25ft tag behind my hooklift truck,took me years just to figure out my towing sweet spot!There's a never ending want for more attachments and equipment.Its just how it goes!
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. No matter what I buy it is too small before long. My gooseneck is barely big enough to haul it
@michaelbenefiel5613 11 ай бұрын
Gooseneck and deck on neck. Throw grapple or other attachment up there.
@mikemacmillan778 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve hauled a ton in a half mini excavator, on my DT behind my F150. Im usually alone when I’m doing it, and I never noticed how much the box tips when I’m loading. I don’t think I’ll use it that way anymore. I’ll get the rental companies to deliver.. it ain’t worth twisting my cylinder. Thanks for the video.
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@warrenjackson4869 8 ай бұрын
What I do because I don’t have kickstands on my trailer is,I just use jack stands and I never had an issue and I chalk the front wheels of the truck,so far so good.
@andrewt248 2 жыл бұрын
My 7x16 dump trailer has rear jacks, but, if it didn't, I'd be putting a pair of automotive jack stands under the rear of the trailer, in addition to chocking the wheels, for loading heavy equipment. (Maybe you mention this at some point. Haven't finished the video yet.)
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
This was basically a test to see if I thought I needed to add jackstands to the back of the trailer. Looks like I do Or if I get a bigger trailer make sure that they are already on it
@smileyking1019 2 жыл бұрын
Just a friendly suggestion I would check out your piston after all that slapping around it took 👀 Look for leaks around the seals 👍 My dump truck would leak after that 🙃
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip. I won’t load it on there again without setting up a chain that holds the back down
@2point..0 2 жыл бұрын
That weigh-safe hitch, Wow never seen that before!!! If it were me, I'd sell the 12 for a 14 foot to be honest!!! Its a pain, I know but it would allow for versatility and safer to travel too and balance too!!! Maybe you can trade it toward a 14 and you might walk into a deal???
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Probably what I need to do Thanks for watching
@2point..0 2 жыл бұрын
Got to be safe, Right!!! And you wont stress with White Knuckles on the wheel and improve the ride quality!!! Hope you can get a 12 foots for peace of mind!!!
@donutman3089 2 жыл бұрын
If you're going to get a new trailer, (pretty sure you are) then make sure it will have enough room for your future Mini Excavator too. I have zero doubts there is one in your future. =)
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
That is the goal. I was just running ads on my Facebook page to try to get more work to make these machines pay for themselves as much as possible It seems like no matter what equipment or trailers I buy it’s never big enough. Thanks for watching
@KINGSTONSPRIDE Жыл бұрын
Tail jacks and wheel chocks are the best option.
@BradMyers 2 жыл бұрын
Would a gooseneck trailer be better for pulling that with? Would you have the same amount of tire raise on the truck if you had a gooseneck? In addition, I agree, that the 14ft looks like the minimum length you would need. Also, what does you skid steer weigh again? I remember you saying in one of the recent videos, I thought it was around 10,00lbs, does that include the weight of the bucket/attachment and was that an empty weight or with fluids in the skid steer? I know lots of questions, just trying to learn. Thanks
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the only reason to haul it in a dump trailer is if you are also hauling materials that day and it cuts down on driving time to take the machine with you and then get the material I’ve been saying it weighs 10,000 pounds. Dry weight is actually 9400 but with the bucket and fluids it may be closer to 11,000 Thanks for watching
@mikemassey7403 Жыл бұрын
Sir: I am not an expert but you need a 7×14 cargo trailer with ramps. You should also have kick stands on both sides. Always load backing on. If you can afford it get a 7×14 Big Tex tilt bed. Best trailer made my opinion. Then chain and binder that machine down.
@Tdale85 2 жыл бұрын
Could you just raise the grapple and position skid steer to where you want it, then lower grapple, and have it rest on the rails. Be careful on overhanging of the front of the trailer, sharp turns can cause a disaster to your tailgate and tail lights. Maybe some sort of clamp to hold the bed down. I keep looking for a dump trailer, but prices are out of control right now. Hopefully it gets back to normal within a few years.
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with having the loader sit on the rails is it has to be pretty low to be able to open the door. The way I did it at the end I was able to have the bucket leaned against the end of the trailer and still get in and out.
@farmingforfun9534 2 жыл бұрын
Watch some of vbelt and son videos, he hauls a larger skid steer in a dump trailer sometimes. Maybe you can get some ideas on what you need to help this situation from a couple of his videos
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I enjoy their channel. In the solution that they use is having a bigger dump trailer which may be what I have to do Everything is expensive though
@farmingforfun9534 2 жыл бұрын
@@RockhillfarmYT yea your not kidding, trailer prices are through the roof! Just keep doing what your doing, it'll all come eventually!
@PurpleCollarLife 2 жыл бұрын
I think you might need a dually. :)
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@timbervisions 2 жыл бұрын
If that is a 10k lb skid steer and I'm not sure what rating your axles are, but I think you are probably over the limit even if they are 5200 lb axles because the trailer probably weighs close to 4000 itself. If it were me I'd just use an equipment trailer with less weight in side panels and more in structure and weight capacity. Good video showing the ins and outs of loading equipment though. Thanks for sharing!
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
The trailer is rated for 14K. 7000 pound axles 9400 pound skid steer. I have a gooseneck trailer that I will primarily haul this on, being able to haul it in the dump trailer saves a trip sometimes if you are hauling material to or from a site Thanks for watching
@jlbush8249 Жыл бұрын
@@RockhillfarmYT How much does the trailer weigh?
@RockhillfarmYT Жыл бұрын
4400
@jlbush8249 Жыл бұрын
@@RockhillfarmYT I figured it weighed close to that. It would be maxing out that trailers axles, and once binders, chains, etc. are added in, it most certainly would be maxing it out.
@RockhillfarmYT Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s close but you also have to keep in mind that 10% of your trailers weight rests on the truck axle
@marvindiamonjr.9631 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't your trailer have a safety chain on the front of the dump box to prevent it from lifting? That's a lot of slamming around when it lifts and drops on the frame like that. My 14 foot dump trailer has a safety chain to prevent that situation. Also, with a skid steer, you may need a longer trailer just to position the weight over the axles properly. I have an 18 foot equipment trailer and use a lot of space just to balance the load when hauling my 3046r. Depending on the load, there may be extra space left over on the trailer when it is loaded to capacity, but the load will be evenly distributed. Great videos! I'm a fan!
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
It seems like it should have a chain, but it does not. I think you’re right about the longer trailer
@gregbannish8423 2 жыл бұрын
Did you bend your ramps or dent the floor of your trailer? I did both while loading a skidsteer half the size of yours (bobcat 743, but it had wheels, not tracks...) onto a car trailer...
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not concerned about either of those things. This trailer is rated for that much weight. I just purchased it new last year And a lot of people haul skid loaders in them Thanks for watching
@jeremychildree7943 2 жыл бұрын
Get an over the wheel dump trailer. They are wider and also the sides let down so you can load pallets on them
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion
@MrDerek19871987derek 2 жыл бұрын
Please try put jack stands at the end of your trailer by the ramps to stop the bottom of the trailer from going down when loading equipment
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip. I talked about that at the beginning. I’m planning to if I keep this trailer
@richardjacques6370 2 жыл бұрын
Just put some wood underneath instead of legs and if they get stuck you can just drive forward and load those pieces in the trailer to use to unload. Wood is cheap and easy to adjust
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion. On my other utility trailer I used automotive jackstands and I could pull forward if they were jammed
@luisuranga9212 Жыл бұрын
You can use some jacks at the back of you trailer
@medjoolmaker 2 жыл бұрын
Trade that trailer in for 8 x 16. What about flat landscaping trailer?
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
I probably will end up trading it in.
@tonyruiz4612 Жыл бұрын
Why does my Grable does 'nt want to work on my New Holland turbo Lx865 ??😮
@andrewanderson1436 2 жыл бұрын
Man Brock I know it's more monies but if it were me I look at seeing about a bigger trailer as you said or use the the gooseneck to haul equipment and then run back to get the dump trailer but that will really kill productivity and dollars earned. Just my .02
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, unfortunately probably right. Maybe I wouldn’t lose too much on a trade-in
@andrewanderson1436 2 жыл бұрын
@@RockhillfarmYT with the market the way it is you might almost break even on the small trailer but of course the bigger one is cost more. I've been eyeing a used 20ft gooseneck just saving to pay cash for it.
@concerned_2023 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, that is a lot of twisting. Neither the trailer or the truck should move when loading equipment. Keep the bulk of the machine over the axels. If you want to add weight to the tongue you can put pressure on the bucket lifting the front of the tracks a little providing it is loaded front first.. What works today may not work in six months. Hopefully that truck is higher than a Ford 150 or Ram 1500.
@MrDerek19871987derek 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like if you pulled in forward you could put the bucket just on the front of your trailer?
@MrDerek19871987derek 2 жыл бұрын
Well finish the video and you would have heard you say that
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
I think I’m going to try to trade this in for a longer trailer but in the meantime I think I can use it like you said with the bucket on the front lip assuming that gives me enough tongue weight
@joedoakes8307 Жыл бұрын
Put your truck in neutral AND activate your emergency brake simultaneously ! which means you're ALways pushing against the rear brakes instead of the Parking Pawl of the transmission !
@Christopher88S Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t drive with that often and get a 7x16 trust me I have a 7x 14 with same size machine 259 D3 and it works but wish I had more room
@NYTROeast 2 жыл бұрын
Raise the gapple and set it down onto the side rails of the dump
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
You have to lower the book most of the way to get the door open If you angle it just right you can set the edge of the bucket an the rail and still get out
@charlesbessenbach6252 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like you're going to regret it if you do too much machine hauling with that trailer. Yeah it might work, but barely. Plus that's such a violet drop when you pull off it's going to beat the trailer, hitch, and truck to death eventually. If you HAVE to have a dump trailer to haul it then it might be time to trade up to a bigger one. Other than that you might just need to make an extra trip to drop it off then go get the dump trailer, which sucks but would be the safer bet. I'm sure the last thing you would want is to damage that fancy new truck, or the fancy newer machine.
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
All good points. If I do haul it again with that dump trailer I will have the bed chained down Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it
@timhamilton1569 2 жыл бұрын
I loaded a skid loader in mine last fall and it did not move at all it is a 7 by 14
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
I’m confused why mine did. Do you have a chain on the back of it though holds it closed? Is it hydraulic up and down or hydraulic up and gravity down
@MJMCHRONICLES 2 жыл бұрын
Get a bigger trailer, oversized trailer is the correct solution. You spent the money to get the right machine get the proper trailer.
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that’s probably what I will have to do When I started recording I thought it was going to fit comfortably so you saw me realizing in real time that my trailer wasn’t gonna work
@walter25264 2 жыл бұрын
Really hard on the packing inside the lift cylinder
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I did not anticipate it lifting like that
@timhamilton1569 2 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing you have air in your hydraulic lines
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
I had cycled the dump to empty out some brush right before the video. I guess I better cycle it again to make sure it’s still all right. I certainly did not expect that to lift the way it did and I didn’t even realize it happened at first
@billfenner7084 2 жыл бұрын
If it was me. I don't think that I would haul that much on that trailer.
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Basically every time I use that trailer I haul 5 tons of rock in it. The rock weighs the same as the skid loader The axles are rated for it as well The only problem I see is the bucket just just takes out of couple inches too far Thanks for watching
@billfenner7084 2 жыл бұрын
@@RockhillfarmYT Okay. The only thing that I could possibly have a issue with is the box slamming up, and down with the loader driving on ,and off.
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I don’t understand that either. I’ve watched plenty of other people load dump trailers And I haven’t seen that happen on anybody else’s
@billfenner7084 2 жыл бұрын
@@RockhillfarmYT Me to. I don't think that is a great thing for the hinges on the back of the trailer. Also the ram .
@hbr6192 2 жыл бұрын
You need 7x16. And jack stands
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much Thanks for watching
@madmax-xv7sj 10 ай бұрын
So where is the video that shows when u loaded forward?
@RockhillfarmYT 10 ай бұрын
How to Safely Load and Haul a Skid Steer in a Dump Trailer kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p9KKeM-l2b7Uknk.html
@madmax-xv7sj 10 ай бұрын
I meant skid steer forward mounted on the same 12 foot trailer, I was waiting to see the skid steer mounted and tongue weight, not the 16 foot trailer
@tjlomin1466 Жыл бұрын
I never use those ball hitches...
@RockhillfarmYT Жыл бұрын
If you mean WeighSafe, they have gooseneck and bumper pull. Do use a pintle hitch?
@tjlomin1466 Жыл бұрын
@@RockhillfarmYT yes, always a pintle
@Mjc103 2 жыл бұрын
Just use jack stands.
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@toddcaskey9984 2 жыл бұрын
Trade that in & Get a 16x7 🤪
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Probably what I need to do Thanks for watching
@toddcaskey9984 2 жыл бұрын
@@RockhillfarmYT and get it painted jd green
@dalemarshall625 Жыл бұрын
Get a longer trailer
@jefffrancis6824 2 жыл бұрын
Go get a bigger trailer and be done with it
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@dustdevl1043 2 жыл бұрын
What would a dog do with a car if it caught one?
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Probably load it backwards into a dump trailer
@dustdevl1043 2 жыл бұрын
@@RockhillfarmYT 😄😆🤣
@justpalms9978 2 жыл бұрын
10k pound full size skid steer needs equipment trailer, end of story! I’ll put a dingo in the back of 16 foot dump. Mini skids, no problem. Be smart and don’t cheap out on trailers.
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I’m not looking to haul it in the dump trailer all the time but being able to can save you a trip sometimes
@bearkatljl 2 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that a tape measure could have saved you some time, of course you wouldn't have a video to upload.
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
The purpose of the video was not to see if it would physically fit inside the trailer It was not even a consideration in my mind, because I wasn’t even expecting it to be a tight fit. I learned several things from loading this 1. Even if it fit, backing it into the trailer is not an option in terms of weight distribution 2. I do need Jack stands on the back of the trailer 3. Because my trailer is gravity down instead of hydraulic down The bed will lift, but it does not run the risk of damaging the cylinder I needed to know all of this before trying to take the machine in a job. This info could also be helpful to other people who are considering an Equipment purchase
@timhamilton1569 2 жыл бұрын
I loaded a skid loader in mine last fall and it did not move at all it is a 7 by 14
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@timhamilton1569 2 жыл бұрын
No I do not have any type of chain to hold it down it is hydraulic up up and down
@RockhillfarmYT 2 жыл бұрын
Mine is hydraulic up and gravity down. I wonder if that is why mine raises up under a load
@timhamilton1569 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I'm sure that is the reason
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