Logical Proof of God's Existence

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Brian Holdsworth

Brian Holdsworth

3 жыл бұрын

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A few weeks ago, I made a video that I titled “Undeniable Proof of God’s Existence.” The point of the video was to illustrate how inconsistent and illogical it is for people to expect undeniable proof before they will honestly explore the possibility of God’s existence.
And, unfortunately, a large portion of viewers of that video felt cheated by the title, apparently, anticipating that I had promised to offer undeniable proof rather than talk about this unreasonable standard - which essentially proves the point of the video.
The thesis of the video was left unanswered by these critics, some of whom made video responses of their own. So, I thought I’d do a follow up to that video here in which I will illustrate that thesis in, what I hope will be a more convincing way, as well as offer an actual proof in the process.
[intro]
Before I present the proof in question, I want to provide a little context as well as an explanation for how I’m going to present it and why.
The first thing I’ll say is that it isn’t well known. I only learned about it relatively recently in spite of the fact that I’ve been reading about various arguments and proofs for God’s existence for as long as I’ve been a theist and Christian - which is over 15 years now.
And whenever I’ve mentioned it to other, well-read, and well-educated theists, I’ve yet to find someone who is familiar with it.
And that’s revealing. There aren’t many commentaries you can read about this proof and there are even fewer people who understand it well enough to discuss it in any meaningful way.
The fact that it is less conspicuous than more popular proofs like the Kalam Cosmological argument or St. Thomas Aquinas’ 5 ways isn’t because of some deficiency in the argument, but rather because I don’t think many people are up to the task of wrestling with it.
The point here being that it is so sophisticated, that there are only a select few who can make heads or tails of it. What that means is, it may very well represent the limits of what human thought can produce on the question of God’s existence.
There are critiques of the proof, but even they appear to lack the kind of confidence you usually find in an explicit refutation. They appear to be more questioning its implications and axioms than anything else.
And yes, it does rely on axioms which seems to be the source of any of the complaints I’ve read about it, but if your only complaint is that the axioms can’t be proven, then you run the risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater in order to avoid accepting the God’s existence.
Because the fundamental laws of logic are axioms which cannot be proven, not the least of which is the assumption that the universe is intelligible such that our reason can be meaningfully applied to.
For example, in many of the responses to my previous video, people said that anything that exists should be empirically demonstrable and since nobody has managed to this in the case of God, or so it’s claimed, then there is no proof of God’s existence.
But the claim that the only kind of valid knowledge is empirical knowledge, is not itself, proven empirically which either makes it an axiom adopted on faith, which atheists like Bertrand Russel admitted, or it’s self refuting.
The other thing I should mention, because this may seem curious, but I have a good reason which reinforces the point of this video, is that I’m not going to tell you who came up with this proof except to say that this person is acknowledged by anyone familiar with them, to be one of the greatest minds ever - full stop.

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@BrianHoldsworth
@BrianHoldsworth 3 жыл бұрын
I was tempted to close comments on this video, even though I've never done that before, so that nobody gives away the origin of the argument, but I've decided not to. I'll leave it up to you to be honest with yourself. If you have to go look it up in order to find supposed refutations of it, then you've conceded that you're not looking for something to be proven to you. You're looking to win an argument, even if that means getting someone else to do the heavy lifting. Like I said in the video, that's not an exercise in reason, on your part, but on faith in someone else's reason to tell you what to think about something that exceeds your reason.
@zacbrewer4368
@zacbrewer4368 3 жыл бұрын
Your first mistake was assuming I understand even basic mathematical formulas.
@asianhippy
@asianhippy 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter what you say. If there is a god, he would know what would be convincing to a non-believer. The trouble is that, if he does exists, he has chosen to remain hidden.
@AngelineProductions
@AngelineProductions 3 жыл бұрын
“A God you understood would be less than yourself.” -Flannery O'Connor
@benkrapf
@benkrapf 2 жыл бұрын
So, Brian, Newton believed in alchemy. One of the greatest minds in history. Also a Christian. So, you believe that alchemy is real and that nontrinitarian arianism is the way to go. Congrats!
@psychoskate970
@psychoskate970 3 жыл бұрын
I quit trying to understand God when I realized I wouldnt want a God I could understand.
@nachokoenig6279
@nachokoenig6279 3 жыл бұрын
Based and Christpilled
@Reignor99
@Reignor99 3 жыл бұрын
If this is satire, you're brilliant
@Smitywerban
@Smitywerban 2 жыл бұрын
Wow i really feel for people whos life's are so depressingly empty that they have to literally pray to an imaginary figure and even that figure isn't answering them...
@RiverToTheSeaOfficial
@RiverToTheSeaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
"I like your funny words magic man"
@matthewmorris9532
@matthewmorris9532 3 жыл бұрын
"The axioms can't be proven". Yes, that's why they're called axioms.
@matthewmorris9532
@matthewmorris9532 3 жыл бұрын
Brian: "I'm not going to say who came up with this argument"
@thesonnen447
@thesonnen447 3 жыл бұрын
The formulator of this was a Titan and one of my favourite logicians.
@adamheywood113
@adamheywood113 2 жыл бұрын
I'm halfway through and you're talking about, essentially, if I (the viewer) can refute the argument, then I should do it myself, and that I shouldn't be asking for proof that's beyond my ability to understand, which I think is fair enough.
@villentretenmerthjackdaw4205
@villentretenmerthjackdaw4205 3 жыл бұрын
I knew who it was gonna be when you mentioned one of the greatest minds and logicians of all time. I've always struggled to come to understand it. This is more to say with the brilliance of the man who I think pushed the limits of what human intelligence are capable of. The end of his life is a sad one unfortunately. God Bless and thank you for all of your videos
@deerwolfa
@deerwolfa 3 жыл бұрын
I am very happy to see that someone else actually researched this. When I was an atheist I was in a very deep "scientistism" mindset but when I went down the mathematics and logic route I learned of this proof. It was critical to my return to christianity. Thank you for doing a video on this!
@grumpus3046
@grumpus3046 3 жыл бұрын
My pastor, Fr. Pat once said to me when I demanded proof of God's existence, read the Bible, pray every day and when you come to a belief in Him and His Son Jesus, why...there's your proof. He was a good man and I miss him every day.
@whatsinaname691
@whatsinaname691 3 жыл бұрын
I like how everyone who knew what it was saw it coming a mile away, and almost all of us think that there are better versions…
@Whiskey.T.Foxtrot
@Whiskey.T.Foxtrot 2 жыл бұрын
The Kalam was a dud from the outset and Bill Craig's attempts to resurrect it from the dead is universally considered a flop as well. The premises just don't hold up to even cursory review as an argument for the existence of a god.
@bungscrung3337
@bungscrung3337 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah chief Imma need that in English.
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