How Is Nokia Even Still Alive?

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Once upon a time, Nokia was not only the largest cell phone manufacturer in the world, but they were one of the world’s largest companies with a peak market cap of nearly $300 billion. But, ever since smartphones came out, it has only been downhill for Nokia. Nokia went from selling hundreds of millions of phones to tens of millions of phones to selling off their entire phone business to Microsoft. Unfortunately, Microsoft would completely drop the ball on this acquisition and not only destroy the brand but basically shut it down after writing off the entire acquisition price. But despite this dire state, a couple of Nokia executives bought the brand rights for Nokia from Microsoft and tried resurrecting the brand in early 2017 with their first Android smartphone. Since then, Nokia has been able to build a decent name for itself shipping almost 3 million smartphones per quarter. This is only a fraction of their old numbers but far better than 0 smartphones per year. This video explains the fall of Nokia and how the company is trying to make a comeback.
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@mksenterprise2388 8 ай бұрын

The lumia phones were actually far better than most people remember them being. Anyone that used them will say that windows mobile was actually an incredibly intuitive mobile OS, however being late to the game developers didn’t support it hence its downfall. Lumias hardware also was a huge strongpoint, its plastic bright coloured design became synonymous and Lumias like the 1020 pushed the boundaries with its camera hardware

@testtest8399 8 ай бұрын

Actually problem was that unlike on normal Windows they scrapped compatibility between versions A LOT. So app made for Windows Mobile 6.5 for example didn't work at all on next major version, they did that two or three times and I imagine developers decided it's not worth the hassle. But yeah I seen 950 in action and it was pretty amazing phone, fluid, great screen, pretty snappy also compared to androids of that time. MS just fucked up there.

@prabhusankar8346 8 ай бұрын

Oh yeah can't disagree here !!

@monke-mk5 8 ай бұрын

The only bad thing about lumia was yhe app is limited. The ui is the best i ever use. Even to this day, im still using wp8.0 launchers on my Android

@UnlessRoundIsFunny 8 ай бұрын

My dad had one and it’s screen was stupid bright and high res compared to other phones, and the OS was great to use. I mourned the loss of Microsoft phones. I wish I had gotten the chance to own one.

@prabhatsourya3883 8 ай бұрын

I own a Lumia 730, still do. The thing is, I have an iPhone and an Android (with an OLED screen). Even those two NEVER came close enough to the brilliantly colorful look and tiled design of the Windows UI. Even today, I wish that I could combine the app support of Android with the tiled and intuitive interface of Windows (The themes I tried are all clunky or riddled with ads and bloatware, so it didn't work out). Also, back when Android was at its Gingerbread stage (Android 2.3), it was Android which was the clunky interface. I owned a Nokia 603 running Symbian Belle OS, which was INCREDIBLY smooth. I couldn't even believe that it was a 1Ghz single-core processor, which could give that level of smoothness. And the clearblack filter combined with the superbright screen meant that outdoor visibility was not a problem at all.

@slavsquatsuperstar 8 ай бұрын

Their company is as indestructible as their phones xD

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

Facts

@mikitz 7 ай бұрын

Not too many seem to realize that the company started off as a rubber manufacturer (which it still is) and ventured off to electronics back in the 80's.

@MP-vc4nu 7 ай бұрын

I won’t be surprised if most of their phone cases are used for military purposes, thus how they’re still alive

@blackscreen8745 6 ай бұрын

@redspark2009 4 ай бұрын

@@mikitz Actually started with rubber boots

@philipmurphy2 8 ай бұрын

The reason why Nokia is still around because the Nokia 3310 is a great phone for emergency use when your actual phone battery runs out

@alexisverity47 8 ай бұрын

Unless you live in the USA *screams in VoLTE mandates*

@philipmurphy2 8 ай бұрын

@@alexisverity47 USA I admit is bit rubbish, You should have free healthcare for these in need like disabled and elderly

@alexisverity47 8 ай бұрын

@@philipmurphy2 the us is a nightmare indeed,glad you understand

@NaraSherko 8 ай бұрын

Use a powerbank!

@craddy96 7 ай бұрын

No actually the reason why Nokia is still around is laid out in the video and one tiny comment cannot just summarise why they are still around (as well as it being completely wrong)

@ayushtiwari3819 8 ай бұрын

Hah, I work at Nokia as a R&D Engineer. Its true that somehow they pivoted and are still quite relevant in commuications sector, 5G, B2B communications products and hardware, networking, etc. I still suprise people when i tell them i work there. Everyone things nokia died with its smartphones but they've been keeping up somehow behind the scenes outside of the public space. Its annoying and funny at the same time. When Nokia did this logo change recently, people made fun of them stating its a desperate attempt to rebrand and enter the smartphones market again which was amusing because nokia doesnt give a shit about smarphones anymore (unless they are for B2B clients for puely onsite business use)

@foca2002 8 ай бұрын

Nokia as almost all Europeans companies tried to leave the consumer market in the 2010s. Nokia solution was to sell off their Phone branch. They could easely become the number one Android manufacturer at the time, just because they were the biggest by far at the time. They just don't care about the consumer market anymore.

@X1erra 6 ай бұрын

Such are the cries of the people who don't even bother to check Nokia's latest products. If I was told about Nokia G100 and its ultra affordable price tag, I'd buy that phone in a heartbeat as a stand-in / work phone.

@deepspacecow2644 Ай бұрын

Hey, do you need licensing to use nokia gear? I am a high school student and want to put together an airscale cbrs 5g site with used parts.

@prashantmishra9985 24 күн бұрын

How to become like you?

@danielvasquez3758 8 ай бұрын

I remember how durable them phones are!! Built like a tank!!

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

Basically bricks haha

@Shinobido1562 8 ай бұрын

Not to mention, Nokia’s patent licensing revenue last year is €1.5 billion, which contributed to more than 40% of its profits. Nokia is ranked as number one in 5G patents.

@nandoflorestan 8 ай бұрын

OK, now we know who to blame for tech that shatters your privacy by always knowing where you are with the precision of a couple meters.

@excalibro8365 7 ай бұрын

@@nandoflorestan So the government?

@everythingpony 6 ай бұрын

So they made 5g but didn't put it in their phones and kept 2 g? Bruh

@redstone0234 6 ай бұрын

And since they brought Alcatel-Lucent they GOT the entirety of Bell labs patents

@sagichnicht6748 6 ай бұрын

@@everythingpony Modern Nokia smartphones do have 5g of course. Feature phones on the other hand are a very different market and one that is still alive and well. Samsung is selling them just as well.

@bgos10 8 ай бұрын

So much wrong information here. 1. Nokia mobile ≠ Nokia anymore. The current Nokia phones are sold by HMD Global, a completely separate brand from Nokia, they pay Nokia to be able to use their name. So the nokia smartphone sales does not affect the Nokia share price directly. 2. Symbian S60v3 based devices were smartphones. They had all basic smartphone capabilities even before apple or Android came to the scene. 3. They actually adapted pretty quickly to launch proper touch based smartphones and also built OSes around it, such as meego, maemo, Symbian Anna, Symbian Belle, etc. 4. Their downfall was because they didn't adopt Android and signed an exclusivity with Microsoft to use windows phone. Windows phone was great but it didn't have mass market appeal. 5. Current Nokia is Nokia Solutions, they sell networking equipments and softwares to enterprises. That's their main source of revenue. 6. Nokia hardware was ahead of time till they died with windows phone.

@ChaplainDMK 25 күн бұрын

Exactly, Nokia N95 was more or less the first popular smartphone, being able to actually browse the web comfortably (for 2006 at least), do 3D games, had GPS navigation etc.. Nokia really dropped the ball transitioning to touch screens plus being late with introducing the open app store like on Android and iOS. It wasn't really until 2010 and the Symbian^3 devices like the C7 and N8 did they actually have a remotely competitive device with a touch screen. But by then the app gap was huge and Nokia wasn't able to attract enough attention.

@nerd26373 8 ай бұрын

I feel like despite being an unpopular brand, Nokia still finds ways go stay relevant at all costs.

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

Pretty impressive really

@MJ-uk6lu 8 ай бұрын

They are not relevant at all

@rei8182 8 ай бұрын

@@MJ-uk6luthey still exist, which is still impressive

@HelipOfficial 8 ай бұрын

@@MJ-uk6lu they still are. They are one of the 5g networking equipment providers lol

@freeyaw29 8 ай бұрын

relevant by putting high prices on their product 😂 they just selling the name brand rather than the product haha

@Skullet 8 ай бұрын

Symbian wasn’t a crappy OS, for a long time during the early 2000’s Symbian had more than a 50% market share for mobile smartphone OS’s, and had a pretty large app and game eco system. As to Nokia selling phones without 3G when iOS and Android had moved onto 4G, I had a Nokia smartphone with 3G back in 2004 which is 3 years before iPhone and Android were released. The first gen iPhone didn’t support 3G, and they didn’t have it till 2008 more than half a decade after 3G had become the current standard and about 6 years after Nokia released its first 3G phone.

@V3ntilator 6 ай бұрын

I had Symbian on 3-4 phones and it were awesome. Symbian also had a huge homebrew scene with new apps and game ports daily.

@Skullet 5 ай бұрын

@@V3ntilator I think I had 5 or 6 Nokia S60 phones back in the day and like you say Symbian was awesome. The homebrew scene was fantastic too, it was an exciting time as you regularly seen new things that hadn't been done before. These days mobile app stores are just a homogenised sludge of samey apps and games trying to fleece you for cash.

@V3ntilator 5 ай бұрын

@@Skullet Yeah. I even had Siemens SX 1 with Symbian. Many FPS's on PC were ported to Symbian too, mainly for N-Gage. Sony did of course have their custom Symbian not compatible with Nokia and Siemens programs. Homebrew scene still exist today for a lot of things. It never dies for various reasons, and no one have control over the content either like stores do.

@tsimeone 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, and apple was almost a year later with 4g than Nokia 😊

@V3ntilator 5 ай бұрын

@@tsimeone Apple were late with smartphones too. First one with touch screen came in 1992.

@rongiefaustino8867 8 ай бұрын

They're still one of the most popular vendors of telecommunications core network equipment, as well as customer premises edge equipment.

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

Yep

@lanreajayi3101 8 ай бұрын

Well said, recently they also moved to focus on enterprise, reason they changed the logo.....the gonna be focusing on IP routers and switches which they know how to do well from their purchase of Alcatel-Lucent. Not also to mention their jump into private 5G

@nikolavukovic1341 8 ай бұрын

And they are now flourishing due to Hauwei bans in a lot of western countries. Filling in the huge gap of relatively cheap equipment. Although, I would say that they are not nearly as good as Huawei let alone Cisco.

@triadwarfare 8 ай бұрын

I barely see Nokia in telecom equipment. They have been overtaken by Chinese companies like Fiberhome

@nikolavukovic1341 8 ай бұрын

@@triadwarfare UK is predominately moving from mostly Huawei to mostly Nokia. Due to OFCOM ruling to remove chinese vendors.

@YoutubeWatcher264 8 ай бұрын

The "Nokia" now is not the same original Nokia company, like "Thinkpad" laptops are not IBM anymore. They just licensed the brand name.

@paulgorman2801 3 ай бұрын

Neither are the "Moto" phones by Motorola. Motorola sold off it's phone division to Lenovo about 8 years ago.

@YoutubeWatcher264 3 ай бұрын

@@paulgorman2801 Yup.

@supernova_eu_w 8 ай бұрын

I don’t think Windows Mobile was a bad OS. They had some good concepts, I think the card layout worked pretty well for mobile. I think the problem was more that it was too far behind of iOS and Android in user count, making it not worth it to develop for.

@nandoflorestan 8 ай бұрын

How the hell did I end up in this parallel reality corner of KZfaq in which people actually liked Windows Mobile??? I should have listened to my mother...

@sihamhamda47 8 ай бұрын

It's because very few developers built their app for Windows Mobile, making the active user shrink faster because of lack of apps in the store

@XboxAmongUsMine 7 ай бұрын

You guys meant Windows Phone or Windows Phone's predecessor?

@Unknown-64209 7 ай бұрын

@@nandoflorestanok don't call me a nerd but many innovations of Nokia and Microsoft were copied shamelessly by "iPhone and Android" Dark theme, aod,wireless charging, etc was a feature of those phones. Really exciting phones back then

@vedanshchn 6 ай бұрын

@@nandoflorestan I think he meant WindowsPhone not Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile was just awful unlike WP.

@akirhamza 8 ай бұрын

Today, well known for its phones, Nokia orginally started off as a paper production company in 1865 in Finland. The company was established by mining engineer Fredrik Idestam on the banks of the Tammerkoski rapids in the town of Tampere. In 1868, Idestam built a second mill near the town of Nokia.

@WaifusOnOldNokias 8 ай бұрын

In terms of software support and customizability, Symbian was pretty much the android before android XD. You could install a bunch of different apps and games as well as custom themes. One thing I didn't like about Symbian was the prevalence of viruses. Scarily, some can even spread themselves through bluetooth --- many people were encouraged not to leave their bluetooth turned on those days lol

@adriancoanda9227 28 күн бұрын

Symbian 4 was planned to introduce a new GUI library framework ( today KDE ) specifically designed for a touch-based interface, known as "UI Extensions for Mobile" or UIEMO (internal project name "Orbit"), which was built on top of Qt Widget; a preview was released in January 2010

@jackt1400 6 ай бұрын

Nokia branding of their models are actually very straight forward. 3 series are the youth versions, 5 series funky, 6 series being the executive, 8 series being the premium and 9 series being the top tech.

@mikeblank5139 4 ай бұрын

In 1865, Nokia started out as a pulp mill. .From paper to electronics . .

@zurgmuckerberg 8 ай бұрын

Symbian wasn't made by Nokia. In fact, Nokia has used Symbian way before Android and iOS even launched. They just bought Symbian later and then modified to it to compete with Android and iOS. It would be more fitting if you replace Symbian in that sentence with MeeGo, and it wasn't even mentioned.

@Kev4Kev 8 ай бұрын

So many errors in this video

@cjeelde 6 ай бұрын

@@Kev4Kevagree! Too many errors that's I don't even wanna mention all errors and write down the correct facts. About Symbian there's 3 milestones: 1998 - Nokia, Ericsson and Motorola bought the UK company EPOC (PDA OS), rebranded it to Symbian OS. And that Symbian OS could have different GUIs like Series 60, Series 80 and UIQ. Ericsson created UIQ and Nokia created S60 and S80. Motorola used UIQ I think and Samsung used S60 for a very few models. 2008 - at the 10th anniversary they announced that Nokia will buy the Symbian shares from Ericsson and Motorola and I think there was a few more co-owners. So a few months later Nokia owned 100% or almost 100% of Symbian. I think the deal was also to kill UIQ and let Series 60 become the only GUI. The first touch screen S60 was S60 v5 that came with Nokia 5800 late 2008. Later versions got rebranded as Symbian^1. This 10th anniversary was the beginning of Nokia's downfall because the other "Symbian phone makers" just left Symbian for Google and Android. That was the reason why Nokia "died", not because of iPhone. It's easy to say that iPhone "killed Nokia" but the truth is not that easy. At that time in june 2008, Android was nothing. Before iPhone in 2007, Google targeted Blackberry as the main enemy. Want a proof of that? Just look at the very first Android phones that was "copies of Blackberry". Google realized that iPhone will be the enemy and Blackberry will "self die". Google's predictions were 100% perfect. HTC was the first or one of the first into Android phones. HTC also made Windows Mobile phones at that time. Windows Mobile was a stylus based OS. Android was multi-touch (fingers) like iPhone, at least after Google focused to compete with iPhone instead of BlackBerry. Around 2010-2012 Samsung took over as the main Android phone maker from HTC. 2011 - in february Nokia and Microsoft announced the "alliance". Nokia will start using Microsoft's brand new OS "Windows Phone" that looked like Windows 8. Symbian phones in the pipeline would get released such as Nokia 808 PureView at spring 2012 (yes, next year). Later on Accenture took over the support for Symbian with a contract to 2016. After this contract ended, nothing new happend to Symbian. Symbian is dead. RIP So the years 1998, 2008 and 2011 are the most important. The birth, the 10th anniversary and the beginning of the death. The 10th anniversary became a disaster. The plan was to make Symbian even stronger and that Sony Ericsson, Motorola and Samsung should focus hard on Symbian - instead they did the 100% opposite and went to Google for Android. No matter what we think about Nokia they got a history of ups and downs. Good and bad decisions. Good and bad luck. They have contributed A LOT to the mobile phones. It's much thanks to Nokia and Apple that we have today's smartphones. Don't forget that Nokia bought NAVTEQ for a lot of money in 2007-2008. They sold that business some years later to some european car companies. We can talk a lot about Nokia but I have to end this comment here :)

@jimmycumbest6877 8 ай бұрын

Part of me wishes that I had a reason to have a second phone number so that I could carry around one of those newer Nokia brick phones. I could never fully embrace it myself at this point, but I love how Gen Z is making using old phones trendy again

@HelipOfficial 8 ай бұрын

New phones now are filled with stuff that grabs your attention every 1 minute not to mention invasive ads. Phones used to be fun but now theyre extremely boring filled with social media bs. And I think thats the reason some gen zs are returning to simpler phones. Thats my opinion of course.

@dansimpson4854 6 ай бұрын

Maybe you could, I've switched and it hasn't been too hard. Everything you miss will still be available at home on your computer, but can't distract you when you're out and about

@lj8549 8 ай бұрын

Nokia 8.1 was/is a beast for the price especially 2nd hand. Nokia’s secret is that they adapt.

@Salengot 4 ай бұрын

As a Nokia stock owner and x20 user I am quite satisfied with them. They are reliable in paying dividends and the phone itself is quite alright even thought the phone costs a lot of money and time in fixing since it is not a popular phone so fixing shops never have any parts for it. In the future I would buy a new Nokia phone, but I would definitely choose more popular model or easier to fix by myself as some of their phones were marketed as easy to fix at home(Nokia G22 and Nokia G42).

@JavisoGaming 8 ай бұрын

This is a great channel! Thank you for not having silliness and keeping it professional! Much appreciated!

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

Thank you Javiso!

@doodskie999 7 ай бұрын

I remember in 2009-2010, Nokia still doesnt have a capacitive touchscreen phone to offer, all their phones was still on the resistive type, while apple and android were already supporting 5-10 finger touch recognition on their capacitive touchscreens

@DarthBenderu 6 ай бұрын

X6 with capacitive touch was released in 2009, but I think it was still only single touch... I got my N8 in 2010 on launch date and it seemed to have gesture support, but no true multitouch

@ronlevon4294 7 ай бұрын

I now use Nokia 8.3G as my main phone and I love it for a clean android and open bootloader, 3.5mm jack and SD card. The only thing that missing is a user replaceable battery.

@hsoumen1985 8 ай бұрын

Adding numbers to names doesn't mean it's poor branding. Consider Mercedes names, it's letters and numbers only. There is a specific reason for that and it doesn't necessarily hurt the brand in fact it helps. Also in its heydays Nokia was named the same way. Good video nonetheless. Keep it up.

@bleankdallas2924 8 ай бұрын

These days, in the mobile phone world, it kind of is. I understand what you're saying but i think there's a reason why nobody is doing this kinda thing anymore. Even Xperia fell in line eventually

@lonyo5377 8 ай бұрын

@@bleankdallas2924Apple adds numbers, Samsung adds numbers. The reason iPhone and galaxy exist is because those companies made other products and needed a phone brand. Nokia was a phone brand.

@jaishkhan7442 8 ай бұрын

It actually is a big problem for "smartphones" Having random numbers and letters without an obvious pattern is not memorable. Most brands have a consistent naming scheme nowadays Apple adds Mini, Plus, Pro and Pro Max Samsung adds Plus and Ultra Pixel only has the a series and Pro versions

@solariotech.wallet5592 6 ай бұрын

Agreed… Think of Boeing, Airbus, & software products. Even Samsung & Apple & Huawei do same for their Galaxy & iPhone & P-series lines. Not convinced it’s down to numbering.

@Lestarchick2 8 ай бұрын

Meamo was a great little OS and way ahead of android at the time. I had it on my Nokia N900 phone and it ran a like a full Linux distro. They shouldn't have given up on that.

@Kratosordinson 8 ай бұрын

Nokia was the embodiment of durability

@indian-tx1ji 8 ай бұрын

what apple has done with beats, microsoft did with nokia, but now nokia identifies as a part of HMD Global. Barely any relevance in the smartphone market segment currently. i personally feel microsoft ruined any chances of its succesful revival.

@indian-tx1ji 8 ай бұрын

true

@MrDontclickthislink 8 ай бұрын

I had a Nokia back in 2013. It was a great phone, the problem was the windows OS. I hated the windows OS.

@TheBlackNarrative 8 ай бұрын

idk bro, windows phone to this day had the most refreshing UI in the smartphone era. It was beautiful and smooth and Android ended up stealing half its features. The Zeiss lens and hardware body were premium. The problem was that social media devs didn't support it. I miss windows phones. phones are so boring these days.

@kvbk 8 ай бұрын

Agreed to everything you said bro. By far it has lovely, smooth ui, camera design. I miss those phone. Though it is technically is android but software support is basically negligible.

@waleedbinalim 8 ай бұрын

Does anyone else recall Elop's quote ""we didn't do anything wrong, but somehow, we lost.” Changes perspective now that you know how overconfident Nokia was. Glad to know they're still okay

@aealexanderraj1 7 ай бұрын

I have been in the telecom industry for over 15 years working with the top 3 major telecom vendor companies Ericsson, Nokia and Huawei. Nokia, Ericsson, Motorola are the primary inventors/contributors of all telecom standards 2G, 3G, 4G to 5G. They are the top 3 (Nokia, Ericsson and Huawei) still providing telecom equipments and software to all of major telecom operators/carriers. Nokia's network business was always their backbone.

@jonnywilson4408 6 ай бұрын

I still remember the prepaid Nokia 3310 I got for my 11th birthday in 2001 it was my first and probably favorite cellphone I’ve ever owned

@josefarias5216 8 ай бұрын

The Lumias were amazing and very snappy phones, of course the 30 line were the obvious outliers but that's because they were purposefully dirt cheap smartphones you could buy at a convenience store. I still miss my Lumia very fondly. To this day there is nothing like the old Live Tile system in phones. Too bad MS fumbled so hard.

@bryan1up 5 ай бұрын

You got your facts wrong. You’re right Windows Mobile was just a mini version of Windows that they put in phones like HTC but Nokia never adopted Windows Mobile. They adopted Windows Phone, which was built from the ground up for touch devices. That’s why WP was released initially without any cut and paste support. The differentiator of WP was that it would combine experiences into hubs. Microsoft identified that the problem with iOS and Android was that people were constantly going in and out of apps. WP built hubs like the Friends tile or the Me title where apps would be plugged into the hub which would reduce the need to jump into other apps. If I remember correctly, the friends app had Twitter, Facebook, and a bunch of other social media apps all seamlessly integrated into the OS. The problem was that new features couldn’t be introduced without an OS update and later on, the app developers didn’t want to support the hubs since it competed with their own apps on WP. It was really ahead of its time more than anything.

@FekalistaGrzybowory-lz8lh 5 ай бұрын

I have a big sentiment to Nokia. My first mobile was Nokia 3310 in 2001 and stopped on using Nokia c5 in 2019. I also had Lumia in 2015 - it was my first smartphone ever. I simply love Nokia, even if I am not using it currently. Greetings from Poland

@lucasrem 4 ай бұрын

Before iPhone, i use laptop, Nokia connection.

@julianwilton6997 8 ай бұрын

The Nokia 8890, the Nokia 6310i, the Nokia 8210 and the Nokia 8310 were some of their very best phone models during Nokia's peak.

@lucasrem 4 ай бұрын

3310, snake i saw back then !

@GoldDominik893 8 ай бұрын

did you know nokia make fibreboxes for openreach in the uk and they are almost in every home in the uk now that has fibre internet

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

Neat, didn’t know that

@snoopiffer 6 ай бұрын

they also supply the equipment for over 50% of BT/EE's mobile network in the uk

@tsimeone 5 ай бұрын

You're wrong.. The first iPhone never had 3g... It had been around years... Nokia released their 4g phone almost a year before Apple too.

@user-vh4si8fw7v 8 ай бұрын

Am so proud of you reaching 500k #Subs🎉🌟✌️

@katrinabryce 6 ай бұрын

From what I remember, Nokia's hardware in the Microsoft days was actually pretty good, especially the camera, and Windows was certainly at least as good as Android. The problem was third-party software support. App developers could reach pretty much the whole market by publishing on the Apple and Google app stores, and didn't really bother with the Windows Store. They don't even mostly bother with the Amazon Store, and if you already have it on Google it requires far less effort to get it on Amazon than on Windows.

@zfvr 7 ай бұрын

"As smartphones entered the market" Do you know what smartphone even is?

@AstyleMadness 6 ай бұрын

I still have my Lumia 925 like new. Windows looked awsome as a software and was really intuitive. The only problem was the lack of 3rd party apps

@karanjain5663 5 ай бұрын

Watching this on a Nokia G50 which is actually a good and affordable fully Android phone. Nokia can do really well in the smartphone market by offering affordable devices that don't have to be bleeding edge. Their lineups over the past few years prove this.

@ykd0011 Ай бұрын

Nokia is around since 150 years! It's not a new company. They have huge share in global network equipments, they also make military tech and they also get paid over a billion dollar per year by other companies who uses their patents related to smartphones, automobiles, video technology etc.

@BenjaminBiltean 8 ай бұрын

I had a Nokie 3310 back in the day and when I dropped it in the bathroom I broke a tile.

@mechantl0up 6 ай бұрын

Not mentioned here, but Apple needs to pay a lot of patent royalties to Nokia for every iPhone they sell, which alone makes a lot of money to Nokia. Nokia, Ericsson, and Qualcomm own pretty much all of the relevant 3G, 4G and 5G mobile technology patens.

@prashanthvasudevan7835 Ай бұрын

Pretty negligent to call Lumia phones as poor and janky. That windows OS had amazing stability and worked amazing with even half gig of ram than android did with 1 GB. It was devs who didn’t want to support a third platform that the entire product line didn’t take off. Otherwise it matched with parity with what android and iOS had to offer.

@secla_SC 6 ай бұрын

My first smartphone was a Windows Phone, and to be honest I loved it and I miss it. This is coming from someone who has since owned an Android phone and an iPhone.

@hechss 8 ай бұрын

This time you didn’t depict the topic precisely. Both. The hardware and software parts were inaccurate. They may have launched cheap non-4G phones when everyone else had 4G, but no one would say that any of their phones were lacking power or were built cheaply. Not only that, but Nokia consistently put out innovative forms and materials around the 2010s while being the best cameras on a phone (N97, Pureview, Lumia 1020…), proud of their Zeiss partnership. Also, Maemo never really took off despite its potential and Symbian was crap at the start of the smartphone race (5800) but it really caught up with Symbian Belle (N9). The problem was the same as ever: no apps. And Windows Phone was probably their only chance at the time they decided to switch to a giant OS. If they had chosen Android, they probably would have been another HTC or Motorola. Windows Phone was set to be the third player and Nokia would have dominated it. You also described Windows Phone 7 as janky, while I’d argue it was what the mid and low-end phones needed. 512 MB of RAM worked better than 1GB on Android. The problem, again, was developers’ support. But the worst part of the research is that it’s giving the impression that they made a comeback to smartphones. Nothing further from the truth!! A Chinese company called HMD Global bought the Nokia brand from Microsoft and sell phones with its name. The real Nokia is actually pissed off at people thinking that they still do phones.

@bvd_vlvd 8 ай бұрын

Shame that you didn't touch upon the feature phone/dumb phone market. They have a lot of competition there against Sunbeam, Xiaomi, CAT or Kyocera among others, but it's definitely worth mentioning since the phone market is pretty saturated and people are becoming sick of social media preoccupying their entire life, so they're "downgrading" their phones a lot more than in 2010s

@balpreetsingh6834 8 ай бұрын

Great video as always

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

Thank you Balpreet!

@HeavySpark 8 ай бұрын

Just a small note looks like you audio is sightly out of sync with your mouth moving.

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

Appreciate the feedback man, usually fix that, but sometimes forget

@nandoflorestan 8 ай бұрын

@@LogicallyAnswered all the videos I've seen from you... feature this weird guy dubbing the audio ~150 milliseconds later.

@PeteC62 7 ай бұрын

@@LogicallyAnswered How is this even something that needs to be "fixed"? Are you recording your videos on a Nokia phone or something?

@u0aol1 8 ай бұрын

Symbian was a legendary OS and the 5800 xpress music is to this day my favourite phone.

@Unknown-64209 7 ай бұрын

Nokia lumia's phones were very top notch. Many other company just copied nokia. Even microsoft nailed it. The problem was with the devs just not creating apps for windows phone. My dad did own an lumia and i swear that thing was snappy as hell. The camera was really good.

@Mr_R.a.w.a.t 8 ай бұрын

Nokia with MeeGo OS was soo good. Only Nokia had the power to rival iOS/Android with its Symbian/MeeGo OS, if they didn't decided to go all in with Windows. BTW Windows was also cool, it was like a breath of fresh air but sadly Microsoft wasn't committed.

@snoopiffer 6 ай бұрын

This video makes the telecom side of the business seem like an after thought when in reality it's massive. especially after Huawei was kicked out of the west. Nokia now supply most of the equipment people like BT, Three, O2, etc.. use. Also they have 10s of thousands of patents for tech which they make hundreds of millions off.

@Deriv44 8 ай бұрын

Am I the only one nostalgic for those time in the late 2k and early 2010s when life seem now more easier 😅😅

@TheLonelyMoon 8 ай бұрын

every once a while i see nokia's phone accessories. power banks, earbuds, chargers, etc. theyre not some top touch products but theyre definifely affordable, and its more trustable than other similar prices budget brands. my first phone was a 3310, hope nokia can recover

@cabpacedilla 6 ай бұрын

Nokia is a telecommunications technology provider not just consumer electronics

@africa_everyday 8 ай бұрын

Nice , love ur videos

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

Thanks man!

@rodzalez3549 2 ай бұрын

Ngl I always loved the windows phone. They were gorgeous down to the software. It's a shame it didn't take off.

@boskobuha6321 5 ай бұрын

Its alive cause you cant break nokia

@nigzaminja9328 8 ай бұрын

i remember downloading symbian games back in 2004/5 😄

@djpuplex 8 ай бұрын

808 is a area code

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

Hahaha, is that what they named it off of?

@djpuplex 8 ай бұрын

@@LogicallyAnswered pretty sure that's what they named all there models after.

@LaFFTrip81 6 ай бұрын

It’s funny how i still strongly recall every single Nokia phone I ever owned up until the iPhone first released 😊

@Sepi-bx5qd 5 ай бұрын

Besides the older models there are several N- and E-series phones I remember fondly, like E52, E72 and N73. Very beautifully made but still somehow sturdy. Thin and elegant but still with removable stainless steel back covers and batteries. Symbian felt completely ok for the time, surfing in the internet was possible and reasonable in 00s and Nokia even had it's own maps service which was surprisingly decent..

@clayongunzelle9555 5 ай бұрын

Those older nokia phones are still helping to sell the smartphones today because just seeing the name Nokia makes you feel like this phone will last long

@bro_leo 5 ай бұрын

I am still stay with Nokia phone. I am currently using Nokia X20 5G, I bought it couple days ago.

@sauravchandra9227 8 ай бұрын

Awesome video.. Was wondering if similar case study is coming for Blackberry as well? Would love to know the details.

@ademolaokeowo5765 4 ай бұрын

Enjoyed watching this video with my Nokia 2.4 that I bought in 2021

@sopek1427 8 ай бұрын

That Nokia Microsoft Partnership probably one of the biggest mistake Nokia made

@flustered1939 2 ай бұрын

Just had fibre broadband installed.. Brsk fibre with Nokia equipment.. Best broadband I have ever ever had.. That Nokia router has very good range

@clownbaby420 8 ай бұрын

2:05 "How is Even Nokia Still Around?"

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

Oops

@brentsummers7377 5 ай бұрын

In some markets HMD/Nokia only sell super budget phones & seem to have abandoned any attempt to compete in the mid-range or flagship market. By the time they get around to releasing phones customers will get well under 2 years of security updates.

@statostheman 6 ай бұрын

Nokia went an corporate fusion with Siemens. Plus in Finland, Nokia do not make only phones. They do boots, tires and etc. Nokia is like the Mitsubishi of Finland. The headset and mic in your smart phones, is made by Nokia/Siemens.

@ronaldmcdonald8303 5 ай бұрын

I still have a Nokia 1112 somewhere at home!!!! It was my first phone ever!!!!

@MMBXD-lc3fl 5 ай бұрын

its 2023 and i am still using their 3310 phone for calls the good thing about it is no one actually trying to steal it whenever i leave it on public places lol

@hackzgames 8 ай бұрын

At 2:05 it seems like you may have mistakenly swapped "Nokia even" to "Even nokia"

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

Oops

@danielvasquez3758 8 ай бұрын

When you have a sidepiece, she will never suspect a nokia phone to be the phone you are contacting her with!!!

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

😂

@Joker-no1uh 5 ай бұрын

I had no clue NOKIA was still making phones. I was just talking about them the other day. The indestructible brick phone is legendary.

@Hielalala 7 ай бұрын

I want them to make a serious come back, the recent Nokia X21 was so good. HMD Global is holding them back!

@snoopiffer 6 ай бұрын

Nokia has absolutely nothing to do with the phones... thank HMD for the X21

@MrColaColic 5 ай бұрын

Nokia Microsoft phones were the best you could buy... Who ever had one, probably still cry from the moment they cut out all support for the apps.

@zaxlee01 7 ай бұрын

Nokia is undervalued. I think people's perception with nokia is about durability as we all know. If they make a line of premium design durable material phones they can get the market share back. Quality is key.

@adampagano5361 8 ай бұрын

Microsoft's OS entry into the smartphone market was actually pretty slick and got a good deal of praise. Microsoft killed that momentum pretty quickly demanding people buy new hardware every time they wanted to make a breaking change. Given how much money was at stake, they could have afforded to buy back the phones and give people brand new hardware for whatever they were doing. They chose to throw the market instead

@hotrodhunk7389 8 ай бұрын

4:45 I still can't understand why 90% it companies can't make a decent name to save their life's! I get it you have an internal system for naming things. That doesn't have to be the marketing name for it!!!

@ArunShankartheRealOne 2 ай бұрын

Bro, I don't want to be too critical, but Windows Mobile and Windows Phone are two different mobile operating systems. Windows Mobile existed from early 2000 until 2013, which was more focused on styles and keyboard interfaces. But Windows Phone was built from ground up as a touch screen based smart phone operating system. It was anything but a "Janky Touchscreen" version of windows, I have used lumia 920, it was such a elegant phone and the camera was best in class for it's time.

@Chronics1 6 ай бұрын

Nokia is coming with a high spec phone next year it looks really good. Its always better for us there are more competion i hope Nokia software have improved a lot because these days software and hardware needs to be really good and i hope they got some connections with Microsoft so they can work together so it works flawless with pc or laptops they can come back. If they can offer us more like we get a charger with it and going to cost less than the competion and give us 8 years of update i think a lot of us would switch to Nokia.

@West3rror 3 ай бұрын

Smartphones entered the market many years before.. It was when they actually got popular with normal people Nokia started to loose market. And Nokia (and others) had touchscreen phones over a decade before 2008... It's actually quite old tech. Just not as well known and had a pretty small market

@abs3704 3 ай бұрын

4:34 So what does s24 mean? Or s23? S22? They are model numbers. I dont think anyone from that era will ever forget numbers like 3310, 3315.

@user-or9sk9td3z 6 ай бұрын

Before the IPhone there was BlackBerry. I had Nokia for years during the early 00s and I remember I even tried the Sony Ericsson Walkman phone but I remember everybody I was around at the time abandoned Nokia for BlackBerry almost overnight. The idea of a physical keyboard was innovation back then but that lasted about 18 months before the iPhone was announced

@JohnJames-mg6fc 8 ай бұрын

Great video

@ccfreakMetal 5 ай бұрын

Nokia made the one and only mistake entering the smart market: Symbian OS, and then Zune.. damn it hurted to bad to see them fall. They did manufacture ADSL modems in the beginning tho, they should have put more energy into that

@Alex-se4tk 6 ай бұрын

Now it is possible that the NOKIA brand may dissappear on the phone market, as there has been leaks of HMD Global thinking about making rebranded NOKIA phones with the HMD Global branding instead

@MrBendybruce 8 ай бұрын

Hey dude would you consider making a video on the rise and fall of htc?

@perfectlyroundcircle 5 ай бұрын

Symbian was huge, and there were a ton of applications for it. I lived through that period and I would say that's when phones actually started being "smartphones". Android hasn't really been as popular at that time. Saying Symbian was crappy compared to Android at that time just feels misinformed.

@indobleh 4 ай бұрын

Nokia name remains strong, I'm a lot of people would return to Nokia with good android phones, well made with excellent cameras, something Nokia always had.

@Ratinevo 8 ай бұрын

Fact Check: Symbian was robust, with an open marketplace for apps and excellent developer support.

@thatoneguywifi 8 ай бұрын

it can play better call saul intro song, that's why

@LogicallyAnswered 8 ай бұрын

Hahaha

@ewanmcdonagh2827 5 ай бұрын

4:05 my 2005 Nokia 6280 has 3G… did Nokia remove this down the line cause that was 3 years before the iPhone got 3G in 2008

@Kev4Kev 8 ай бұрын

There are a bunch of errors in this video. For one Nokia does not make phones and hasn’t for about 15 years. The C100 is not made by Nokia it is made by HMD a company that licenses the Nokia name for phones. Nokia’s business nowadays is phone and network infrastructure. Symbian has been around before the iPhone and Android it was not made afterwards nor did Nokia make it. Symbian came out before Maemo. Maemo was then merged with Moblin to become MeeGo. Nokia did not return to the phone business. HMD and Foxconn entered the market Nokia never did.