I'm glad you enjoyed it. I try to stay as objective as possible.

all the things you need for a good reviewer

Yoo i duno wth are the 100+ dislikes for. All i see actually the best review between the 2 mice on yt. God dman you got a lot of info in those 16min. Awesome Video Galahad !

Need more of this! I can't stand when I get to the end of the video or mid way through and they say this item was shipped to them for free or given to them for free. Just ruins the entire video for me I feel like it should be announced at the start of the video. Personally I want to hear from ppl that spent their hard earned money just like me.

@@TuMuchTa1ent1 ​ I completely agree that it needs to be mentioned at the beginning of the video if they received the product for free. That way you know going in that the review could be biased. The guidelines for that are also not very specific and rarely enforced which leads to a lot of mistrust. So, I think them coming out with offical guidelines would be benefical for everyone. I also prefer when people have spent their hard earned money on it as it makes it less likely that it is biased. But a quick look behind the curtain. As I think that watching people who pay for all their own products is also a double edged sword. As it's hard to find high quality reviews with people who don't receive free products. Because if you find a product you like as a consumer what is the point of buying another product? Which also makes it difficult to judge how good a product is. For example if I've only tried 1 mouse, it could be horrible, but since I had a good experience with it I could rank it as high. As I have nothing to compare it too. Whereas, if I've tried 10 mice then I can more accurately judge how good it is. But being able to afford 10 mice is difficult for most people so that rarely happens. If you are like me, and want to have a tech KZfaq channel it also makes it difficult. As tech is super expensive and I'm not a rich guy. My channel is no where near large enough to cover my expenses as you need to have a very large channel in order to cover expenses. Such as around 50 - 100K views per video. Which is where getting products for free is helpful because it allows reviewers to look at stuff they normally wouldn't have access to. But I think that is where it comes down to the individual. If they are good at what they do then they won't allow a product they recieve for free to bias their opinion. I've also found that most companies don't care if you give a positive for negative review. As it's techincally a win win. If they have a good product they will get a good review which increases sales. If they have a bad product then they will get a bad review and know where they can make improvements for their next product. Personally, I am far more intereseted in how my viewers see me, which hopefully comes across as unbiased and informative than how any company will. As if they don't want to work with me because I gave a negative review then I don't want to work with them anyways or promote their products. Also, when I get a product for free I don't put any affiliate links in the description as I think that gives the wrong impression. Which means, depending on how much the product was, I make less money off those videos than I do on a video I pay for myself (which I still don't go anywhere near even with). So I think that is what makes it difficult. As there are a lot of bad apples which ruin it for everyone else. For me, I'm just a poor dude who loves tech, and need a way to try and cover those expenses when I buy a new toy. lol.

lol

now what bridge

@@julle5417 there's a way to bridge in minecraft called godbride: bridging without crouching, and it's easier if your mouse can double click

gay bridge

bedwars banana lol its ez xDDD

I'm looking forward to trying out the Hati here soon. As much as I wouldn't mind moding my G Pro Wireless I'd be afraid I'd mess something up. lol.

@@ThomasMuehler don’t worry, I’m an absolute crafting cripple and managed to do it. Beardedbob has a great vid about that. My GPro weights around 60 grams now, feels great 👍🏼

@@slx3061 Hahaha that's good to know. I do love Beadedbob.

Glad it was helpful!

I appreciate you letting me know that. It's very encouraging.

That's awesome man! I'd love to hear your thoughts on it once you try it out.

I’m happy you enjoyed it. I appreciate you taking the time to let me know. If you end up getting it I’d love to hear your thoughts on it. Also, welcome welcome to the knights of the round table. I am happy you are here. I hope you enjoy your time here.

I appreciate the kind words. Thanks for taking the time to let me know. Means a lot.

So, I would consider the Logitech G Pro Wireless to take a mild amount of pressure to click with very short travel and reset time. Probably the shortest out of any mouse I've tried. Whereas, the Razer Viper Ultimate takes a mild/moderate amount of pressure to actuate with longer travel and reset time. I don't find it to be by much though. I would say it is on par with a lot of other mice. For the crisp click I would say they are both super similar. However, I have heard that both switches can be "mushy" but I think that is due to defective units. But figured I'd mention that. As reviews on KZfaq, Reddit, Amazon, and Best Buy all say that the left and right click are mushy at times. While others say they are great or just different due to not being mechanical switches. I've tried three Viper mice and all three of them had great left and right clicks. I haven't experienced any mushiness. The G Pro Wireless does struggle a lot with double clicks and also mushy buttons. So I'm not really sure how to take it. I haven't had problems with either and think at the end of the day, as long as you didn't get a defective unit, that it comes down to personal preference. Did that answer you question?

@@ThomasMuehler Yes thank you! I have a viper ultimate arriving in a couple days and i'm just hoping it feels like an upgrade from my g703 for the game I play, Osu. Never had a low hump mouse and wanted to try. Also no double click sounds nice.

@@ThomasMuehler Just an update on the mouse, it arrived today and i tested it for 4 hours on osu. It is everything I have ever wanted in a mouse, absolute perfection. The only issue is because I am mostly palm gripping it my hand sometimes clicks the right side buttons but it doesn't bother me that much. Also you really meant mild when it comes to actuation force compared to the g pro, the buttons are still very light and I have no issues with them. If anything they give more feedback and so I perform a lot better. Thank you with all the info you gave me my dude!

I am so sorry for the late reply. KZfaq has stopped notifying me of replies which is frustrating. Thanks so much for getting back to me about your experience. I am so glad you are enjoying it. I completely agree with the side buttons, but I found that once I used it for a while that stopped happening.

I'm happy to hear I could be of assistance and appreciate the support. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Viper once you've tried it out a bit.

Thanks for the kuddos. I appreciate it.

Thanks Jasper, I'm happy you enjoyed it.

I like to keep people on their toes! Glad you enjoyed it and I didn't make too many mistakes. It's a shame I missed the Speedflex cable part in the editing process. With each brand having their own unique name for the same thing sometimes I mix them up. But I appreciate the call out.

@@ThomasMuehler appreciate the reply 😍

You're very kind. Will do.

I'm glad you liked it. Welcome to the knights of the round table HunteR. I am very happy you are here.

I appreciate the constructive criticism. I will keep in mind going forward. I'm still trying to figure out the music. Some people like it other don't. Then there is how loud and how it works on different speakers. Your opinion? Do you like having music in videos or not?

I was thinking the same on the music. Otherwise great video!

I think your approach is fantastic. You've got an approachable quality that desaturates the deep-tech specs to the point that, even as a comparatively passive game techie, I really enjoying listening. From a video stand point - I think that music is a GOOD choice. The reason this one is distracting, in my opinion, is that tonally the guitar is fairly close to the timbre of your voice. Just shifting to something that leans more on lower frequency instruments, but keeps the momentum of the drums (maybe not the splashy cymbals), would totally work.

Tyler, I am so sorry for the late reply. Notifications haven't been working lately for me. I appreciate the kind words. Means a ton coming from you. Solid constructive criticism that I will keep in mind for future videos.

I appreciate the constructive criticism. I've made some changes to try and make it better in future videos.

I appreciate the kuddos. Glad you enjoyed it.

Thanks for watching!

That's awesome man. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it after you've tried it out. Also, welcome welcome to the knights of the round table. I am very happy you are here.

How is the razer viper ultimate Do you have any problems with clicks or any thing else???

@@obaydasarahneh236 Nope, everything is great!

I appreciate the quick review for the G Pro Wireless. It's certainly an amazing mouse and that's awesome that it is perfect for you. It's hard to find that and once you do it's not worth going to anything else. Also, welcome welcome to the channel. I am very happy you are here.

I just purchased the g-pro mouse a few days ago and I can confirm mine has a double click issue and many people have also noted this as well, but I can live with this is due to the benefits. Previously I used a IE 3.0 that had negative decel and a random scroll wheel issue. I don't think any mouse is perfect but I think the g-pro is closest to perfection. I think the double click issue is due to the very low pressure it actually takes to register a click. But the issue can be easily scene when in aimlab or OSU!. But overall, the g-pro smokes everything I have ever used, and I have used and sold lots of gaming mice.

@@hyund9i I agree with everything said. It is a truly fantastic mouse and I think it beats nearly all the other mice out there. I think my top three in no particular order are the G Pro Wireless, Razer Viper Ultimate, and the Ultralight 2 then probably the Glorious Model O- then MM710. I would still recommend going through an RMA if you cannot exchange it in store for a working one that doesn't have the double click issue.

I think it is an excellent mouse. As is Logitech G Pro Wireless. Recently the GPW got an update to 25,000 DPI. As for the RVU it now comes in Pink and White. They also are rolling out a few improvements to help solve the click issues from occurring. I'll be doing a specific video on that here pretty soon. Just need to test a few more things before I release it.

That's awesome. So happy that it was beneficial!

yessir cop it

milena miki yesterday, without the dock it was $100

For me with the dock its 101€

THAT'S IT! I'M BUYING ONE!

i can get it rn for 80 euros (with dock)

I try. I don't always succeed. Sometimes KZfaq likes to hide comments from me.

I'm so very happy you enjoyed it.

I had some problems with Synapse with my Huntsman Elite. But then I got a firmware update and that resolved. Otherwise, I haven't had any problems really. Is there a more specific question I can answer? Like are you having problems with it?

I appreciate the kudos. Glad you enjoyed it.

Hey man. I appreciate you taking the time to watch more than one of my videos and subscribing. Means a lot.

Hey Adrian, I know this doesn't help but I think that you will love either choice. As they are both fantastic mice. With that out of the way I have gotten a ton of complaints about the double click issue with the G Pro Wireless in my comments sections. But I've never had a issue in any of the Logitech Mice I've tried. And I've tried almost their entire lineup. But ended up keeping the Logitech G Pro Wireless, G502, G305, and G900. As for the Viper Ultimate the only complaint that I've seen is some people do not like the feel of the main clicks. That they feel "mushy". As stated in the video I've tried all three of their Viper mice and had no issues with it. The Viper Mini has the best clicks out of the Viper and Viper Ultimate. It's also the newest which means Razer R&D is listening to user feedback which is nice. I haven't heard of any battery problems. Some people expect to get 70 hours with chroma lighting on which is incorrect. As that will effect battery life varying on how bright and which color chosen. This will happen on the G Pro as well. For me I charge my Viper Ultimate less often then I charged my G Pro Wireless. But that will vary from person to person. I'm also not associated with Razer in any way so it's not like I'm completely in the loop of defects. But from what I've seen and from my comments section I wouldn't worry to much about that. As for the build being "cheap". These people have no idea what they are talking about. Which sounds pompous but let me explain. The material that the Viper uses is similar to PBT keycaps (which most people praise as being of high quality) which actually increases grip. But because it doesn't have a particular shine (as most other mice use a shiny glossy material such as the Logitech G Pro Wireless) this makes people believe it is low quality plastic. Which is incorrect. On top of that you add a very light shell (74g) and people think its a piece of junk. Completely missing the point that a bunch of engineering went into the mouse to make it light. As most wired mice are probably around the 100g mark with wireless mice being probably greater than 110g. So being at least 26 grams lighter is a big shock to most. People often also mistakingly believe that if something is heavy it is of high quality. Which is why a lot of products (including mice) actually add weights inside their products to make them heavier. The Viper Ultimate was specifically made for medium hands and people who use Claw/Fingertip and for FPS. The Logitech G Pro Wireless is made for the same exact thing but supports palm grip a bit better. Hopefully, that made the choice a bit easier. I'd love to hear which one you choose and your thoughts on it once you try it out.

Thanks. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

That's awesome. Glad you are enjoying it.

I have both to and i prefer the g pro

@@Thebarrioboy2009gma I'm sure alot of peeps would agree with you,different tastes I guess

@@ult1ma_inv1ctu5 its all a preference I have better aim with the g pro and it just feels nicer also my viper left click feels loose and I can move it up and down and and shake the mouse you can hear it bouncing up and down

I haven't tried the Model O yet. It is on the list to try. I think I pre-ordered the Model D Minus or whatever that is coming out in August so I'll have a chance to try it out then. But when I first got the Viper Ultimate it took a bit of getting used to as they are more flush against the device instead of sticking out. But at this point I don't even notice anymore and find them to be very comfortable and natural. As I can just slide my thumb up to activate them. I prefer them over the G Pro Wireless. But I don't think they are better than the Finalmouse Ultralight 1 and 2. Which are my favorite side buttons of all time. So, all that to say that I think it will take a little bit of an adjustment period as you acclimate to the mouse due to them being flush instead of sticking out. But after that I don't think you will find them too be all that bad. As they are similar size and shape as the Model O.

Sir Galahad thanks for the in depth response brotha I’ll prob go with the razer due to the newer tech then. I have kind of a palm/claw grip and heard the G Pro is better for that but I’ve heard such great things about the Viper I can’t pass it up.

I would agree that the GPW does better for palm grip. As it actually has a rear hump whereas the RVU does not. But I find the the RVU to be more comfortable all around. But I use claw/fingertip which is what it was made for.

Sir Galahad Just thought i’d update the thread. Went to best buy and they had the viper ultimate on display but not the G pro. The ultimate was not good for my hand at all, it’s low to the ground so it doesn’t really fit into my palm. The buttons on the side were only able to be pressed by pretty much finger tip gripping the mouse and bending my thumb at a weird angle. Basically pressing the side buttons forced me into messing up my aim. The recessed buttons were hard to find and definitely not what i’m used to. The M1/M2 clicks felt like garbage for a lack of a better term in comparison to the Logitech mice on display. Logitechs were very crisp and defined and the ultimate was almost as if i didn’t know if i was clicking down or not. Hard to describe but it felt kinda cheap to be honest. The rubber grips were awesome though. I immediately picked up the G Pro box without even being able to test it. Got home and opened it up and holy shit I’m happy. That thing is slightly small in my hands but absolutely perfect. Let’s me palm/claw grip it and the clicks are crisp. Barely feel the weight difference Makes me realize how bad the model O was for my grip/hand but I didn’t know better. Anybody that likes anything other than finger tip grip should go G Pro in my opinion. I have no reason to pick one side or the other i’m not a fan boy. Maybe the tech is better in the Viper but man the G Pro wins in every other category. Except the side rubber grips the viper has which are awesome. My next mouse after this will be the G Pro 2....

I deeply appreciate you getting back to me. Do keep in mind that display models are usually abused and broken so I think the left/right click that you felt would feel different with a new Viper. But I am so happy you ended up getting the GPW and are greatly enjoying it! That's awesome man.

I'm glad you are enjoying it as much as I am! And I also appreciate the tip!

Glad you enjoyed it.

I appreciate the constructive criticism. I have been working hard on learning about my camera and everything associated with that to make beautiful looking videos. I've improved in my newest videos but still have a ways to go.

Hahaha

do you have a hard pad

@@jayke2849 I do not have a hard pad. I prefer cloth pads. Why?

@@ThomasMuehler i was asking Frgast0 to know how bad the situation was xD

@@jayke2849 Oh gotcha. Sorry I'll just remove my head from where it doesn't belong. lol

Excited for you my dude. I'd love to hear your thoughts once you try it out.

Ay gg. I am a logi and razer user. I have a g933, g935, g502 which i gave to my mum, a razer viper and a g412 i think (the mousepad).

@@ilikelobsters.2376 That's awesome man. Those are some good mice!

I just ordered the g pro it’s coming in in a couple days

I am very happy you enjoyed the video. I also appreciate you letting me know. Glad to hear you found your winner. I would love to hear your thoughts on it once you try it out for a bit.

How is the Razer viper ultimate?

@@krue_ Had the mouse for over a year and it's been great. The only negative i have with it is that the rubber grips on either side have worn down quite a bit where i hold it with my thumb and fingers. Other than that I've had no problems with it, with the LED's off i still get a full 2 days wireless out of it before having to plug it in overnight to charge back up to full by morning. All buttons are holding up fine no issues there or with build quality, mouse skates are also fine, charging dock and cable still in great condition too.

@@jakelongden2710is the viper ultimate better than the g pro wireless?

@@krue_ can't make a comparison myself as I've never used one. However 2 people I know switched to the G Pro from Razer viper ultimate and said they preferred the G Pro!

The G Pro Wireless has a closer shape to the Model O than the Viper Ultimate. As the Viper Ultiamate doesn't have a back hump where both the Model O and the G Pro do to help with palm grip. The Viper Ultimate is made for fingertip and claw grip.

It's a very basic shape but at the same time comfortable.

That's awesome man. Glad you are enjoying it.

Jitter click good?

I’ve been using the Viper Ultimate for a few days now to play Valorant and I’m absolutely loving it!

@@Etoh12 about 12cps

@@bruhwtf2662 that's a little slow tbh, I just bought it and I Jitter abt 15+ it has rlly light clicks lol

I don't utilize the right side buttons at all because I think that would be difficult. But dependent on your hand placement and how hard you want to try to acclimate to it you could totally use them. But I would consider most people would say that it would be too difficult to get used to so would forgo it all together.

@@ThomasMuehler Yeah okay that's fair enough. Thanks for replying to me!

I think that's a hard call. As I expect the the Super Light to be released anytime now. I also wouldn't be surprised if Razer is waiting for that to happen before they drop the Mini. As I swear it's a thing even though there hasn't been any official confirmation. The Glorious Model O Wireless is also supposed to be coming out here soon which may be a good option with a new sensor. I'm surprised that you are getting spinouts on the Model O- as that shouldn't be happening with the 3360. I think my recommendation due to the time of year and what I'm hearing on the internet is I'd wait until Christmas to make a choice. Just to see what releases in the next two months. As there may be a lot of new options that aren't available right now. Otherwise the Viper Ultimate is a great choice.

good info, thanks!

It came across that way didn’t it? It wasn’t supposed to. Mostly, they just had a lot more information on the actual tech that goes into their gear than Logitech does. Plus a lot of people also know Logitech’s as it’s been around since 2016. I promise it wasn’t though!

Well the Razer is much newer than the G Pro Wireless. G Hub software is god awful.

Nah it’s just the viper is a better 🐁

Oh heck yeah dude! What are your thoughts on the clicks and comfort?

@@ThomasMuehler i mean the video explains it haha.. no delay or issues. crispy clicks, no delay, perfect hyperglides, the perfect mouse for the speedy esports gaming like fortnite for example. Can handle anything u throw at it

Purple Reflect do you think that the side buttons ever give an issue? I can’t decide between buying the viper or g pro, about to get a pc and I play hybrid so give me your full input on your mouse bor

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Alex Flores i’m gonna end up making a video today lmao. so many people ask me. but tbh the side buttons are the only issue that bothers me personally. for more professional gamers, i feel like they take advantage of the mouse. i personally don’t use the side buttons and usually when i’m playing aggressively they do get in the way a little. but as long as ur aware they they’re there u won’t click them. it usually happens on accident. it will probably be the same with the g pro. they have a similar build. i’d even say it happens with most gaming mouses. that’s the only issue tho but again you’ll get used to it eventually. u can either use them to ur advantage, or just try not to click on them. i’m slowly getting used to them as well. but yeah if ur looking for the best specs a gaming mouse can possibly give for ur quickest advance in aggressive games 100% pick the viper ultimate. u will not regret it

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for letting me know. Always appreciated.

Yeah that was the result of a bit of laziness on my part. I ended up adding music to it at the very end and didn’t listen to it all the way through. But I do appreciate the constructive criticism and will improve in the future.

Glad you liked it!

That's awesome man. Glad you enjoyed the video. Welcome to the family Jrreik Levi Andaya. I am very happy you are here.

Glad it was helpful!

I made a video going over the differences between them all that you can find here. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ouB9qsV9zMDHd30.html If you have any questions after that video let me know.

Hey Ohmnity, I have never had a creak or crunch with my RVU. I have had several comments about this issue though which I was unaware of when I made the video. I'd say out of every 5 positive comments I get 1 negative one. Do keep in mind the main failure point for any mouse will be the clicks. It got to the point I was getting asked so much about it I did some research about it and out of Amazon and Best Buy reviews combined I found that 4.3% of RVU users have a click issue. Compared to 10 - 15% for the Logitech G Pro Wireless. The only other mouse I have looked at in this regard is the Finalmouse Ultralight 2 (which I will be uploading that video tomorrow) which has like 4.6% of users. So, I think the reason why most don't mention it is because it only affects a relatively small amount of the population. Which still completely sucks if you are one of them. Are you unable to go through the warranty process in Mexico? Personally, especially since you greatly enjoy the RVU I'd try to return and get a third one as it's your right as a paying customer to get one that works. I had to return my Asus Monitor and my Hifiman headphones 4 - 5 times before I got a good one. Also, I appreciate the kudos. Welcome welcome to the knights of the round table. I am very happy you are here and hope you enjoy your time here. Let me know if you have any other questions.

@@ThomasMuehler Thank you very much for your quick reply! It does completely suck since I'm still part of that 4.6%, but you just gave me the courage to try a third time for a fully functional RVU. Unfortunately, I spoke to Razer directly and they confirmed me that if wanted to RMA it I'd need a USA/Canada address to ship it to since Mexico isn't in their reach (I even offered to pay for all shipping expenses but they outright ignored this). Once agan, thank you very much for responding. It's always incredible when the people you follow actually listen to their audience, keep up the amazing work!

I would love to hear if you end up getting another one and if it ends up working out for you. It's silly that they won't honor warranties outside of the place of origin. Even if you offer to pay shipping. How frustrating.

@@ThomasMuehler Just wanted to give a follow up on this and after a week of making and cancelling my orders I finally got my 3rd RVU yesterday and it feels quite different from my second unit. It almost feels... sturdier? Not sure how to describe it, but my clicks are fine right out of the box! There is an ever so slight wiggle on M1 that makes the faintest of crunches (but I'm 100% sure is a nocebo effect since I'm actively trying to find any imperfections with the clicks and it happens very near the edge, though this might go away with use. I don't notice it when using it for work or when gaming, so this might just be me lol). Mouse scroll is still loud scrolling up but that really doesn't bother me. I'll try to use this for a week or two before deciding to keep it or not, but so far so good! Just as a little side note: I know this sounds super silly, but my god awful unit was made in China. This 3rd unit was made in Taiwan (hence why this sounds silly) but so far this is the sturdiest RVU I've had of the 3 I owned. Not sure if I got a more recent batch, but just pointing that out there in case it's somehow relevant.

I am so sorry on the super late reply but do appreciate you getting back to me. Hopefully your mouse is still going strong. If not it does sound like they have tightened tolerances so hopefully if you get a new one it will be better. I have two RVU now due to getting the mercury white version and one was made in china and the other in Taiwan. But I could totally believe that it could make a difference.

Like, literally rock the wheel up and down to the exact same place each time, and check if the scrolling on the page is perfectly responsive, or if it skips or ends a little lower or little higher each time, which it SHOULDNT DO

the same bit of the page should end up under your mouse pointer each time

Not something that I normally test unless it feels wonky when using it during daily tasks. Sorry for the late reply, been super busy and haven't been on my PC for the past two days so I couldn't test it out. Anyways to business. Excellent. If I scroll down quickly and then back up it's at the same place every time. The only time it isn't is because I scroll a bit more or less. It doesn't drift. It never skips when I scroll slowly. That's for both the G Pro Wireless and the Viper Ultimate. In my opinion Corsairs wireless still has a long ways to go before I would classify it as good as Logitech or Razer's. And Razer JUST earned that spot with the Viper Ultimate.

​@@ThomasMuehler thanks that's awesome to know! if i got another mouse and the scroll wheel was dodgy I'd be really pissed

That's not really a question that I can answer. I don't think you'd notice too big of a difference. The two biggest things you'd notice outside of the price would be the wireless aspect and charging dock. And of course if you ended up getting the Mercury White Edition or Quartz edition the color. But otherwise they are very similar mice.

Glad you enjoyed the video and I appreciate you giving me the low down on teh double clicks. Also, welcome to the knights of the round table Shado Smith. I am very happy you are here.

I appreciate the kind words!

I’m glad you enjoyed it. I’ll keep up the good work.

@@ThomasMuehler thanks

I was using this: (WGGOU Qi-Certified Wireless Charger, 7.5W Compatible iPhone Xs Max/XR/XS/X/8/8 Plus, 10W Fast-Charging Galaxy Note 10/S10/S10+/S10E, 5W All Qi-Enabled Phones(No AC Adapter) www.amazon.com/dp/B07KLJLXPV/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_gLMeFb34Q7MMK) But it doesn’t seem to be available anymore.

@@ThomasMuehler Thank you! I just needed an idea to hold my Pixel gpro up! :D

It doesn't do the best job. As it easily slides off. But I'm sure you could find another one that is cheaper that would work better. I have another one by Lamicoll which is A. Way more affordable and B. Works a lot better but is higher up. Two versions can be found here: (amzn.to/2CsxXGF) and here: (amzn.to/30q015r).

I don't know of any official stand or dock. I've been using this guy (amzn.to/33kc8nJ) which you can see shown off in my latest thumbnail which I think works well at showing it off. I use their iPad Stand to show off my keyboards.

I have had ZERO problems with any of my three RVU side buttons.

@@ThomasMuehler ok thanks 🙏

I don’t think the Razer Viper Ultimate would be comfortable for palm grip because the back of the mouse lacks a hump. Where the Razer Basilisk Ultimate is built to be a right handed ergonomic mouse which makes me believe it’s shape would have a hump on the back and is made for palm grip. It also has nearly the same specs as the Razer Viper Ultimate but is a lot heavier and a bit more expensive. I would avoid the Mamba. So, I think out of the mice that you mentioned that the Basilisk Ultimate would be the best choice.

Sir Galahad thank you very much for your response, but, if you know rocket jump ninja, professional quake player, and fps shooter, he says that he wouldn't pick basilisk for FPS games, and actually, I don't understand why? Is because of the heavyweight of the mice or because of shape, I don't really get. And a part of that, I'm not a superglobal elite player or cybersportist, but I like to play with comfort and with the best of the best on the market. So the last question is, if for my needs, like playing story mode games and fps games like Insurgency sandstorm, COD modern warfare, and others, is it a good idea to pick basilisk ultimate, or maybe just continue with my DeathAdder elite and don't spend money on basically the same, while my mice still working properly... What do you think? Appreciate a lot your time and your response.

Yes, I know of Rocket Jump Ninja (RJN). He's a major player in the community. As for your questions. Here's a bunch of thought vomit for you to go through. I do agree with RJN about the Razer Basilisk Ultimate not being the best for FPS gaming. You are correct in your assumption that the reason why most people do not recommend heavy mice (in this case the Basilisk Ultimate is 107 grams) is because it makes flick shots and what I dub pixel aiming to be more difficult than lighter mice (such as the Razer Viper Ultimate at 74 grams). Just do to physics, right? As something that has greater mass (heavier) is going to require A. More effort to move and stop, especially quickly. (Flick shots and tracking) B. require more effort to be precise, (adjustments for flick shots and quick changes with tracking) and C. will cause more fatigue over time due to it being heavier. I think a good rule of thumb is that most people will state that if you are "serious" about "FPS" gaming that a mouse that is

@@ThomasMuehler the largest comment i have ever got from anyone. Thank you very much much for your interest and time you dedicated to answer me. As i have understood, if the most important for me is the shape and then connectivity, better to stick with my DeathAdder elite because ill not see much difference between basilisk and my mice. And to pay 250 bucks for barely the same, similar shape, same weight, and just a wireless mice. In terms of sensor, you said that ill not see much difference, so, i think that there is no point right now to change the mice, until is working properly. Thank you once again for saving my money!

Glad I could be of assistance. I also apologize for not replying to your comment sooner. It got lost in the notifications. Hopefully you are still enjoying your Deathadder Elite.

I would say the RVU has a better shape. As it tapers more in the sides and doesn't have as much of a hump on the back. Which makes it more ideal for medium/small hands. It's also made for fingertip/claw grip. However, the mouse is still just as long. I have a hand size of 19 by 10 cm which is almost exactly average and it fits me nicely.

@@ThomasMuehler thanks for the fast answer. I have a hand size of 18 by 9 cm . The RVU might be too big as well :/

I wish I could help you out more. If you end up picking it up I'd love to hear your thoughts so I can help others with the same question.

I see you also speak parseltongue, lol. Welcome to the family I'm very happy you are here. Yeah, both mice are excellent. But I continue to come back to the Viper Ultimate year after year despite trying a TON of the other mice. They did something special with it. But since you just bought it I do want to bring up that word on the street is they are dropping an updated Razer Viper Ultimate here soon with some upgrades. Such as 57ish grams compared to 74 - 78. Also, Gen 3 switches, no RGB, no rubber sides, just left sided side buttons, improved feet, maybe an updated sensor and longer battery life? It's as confirmed as something unconfirmed can be and I'd expect that to be launching in the next three months. I'll definitely be buying it when it comes out to compare to the original. But I just know when I buy a new product I get upset when a new one drops shortly thereafter and just wanted to give you the heads up.

Huh, how fascinating. Didn't know that was a thing. But I am very happy you are here and I hope you continue to enjoy my content. If you ever have any questions just let me know!

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To be completely honest, I can't tell you for sure. As your hand size appears to be 6.2 inches by 3.1 inches. The mouse is 4.9 inches by 2.26. Which means that I think the mouse will feel large in your hand which may be uncomfortable. Rocket Jump Ninja would say it may be too large for your hand as he looks at that stuff more closely than I and has something like the mouse width should be the size of three of your fingers and I think this is over that. You'd have to try it yourself. So, my opinion is that I think that the mouse will feel large in your hand. However, since you want to palm grip it you having a smaller hand is beneficial as it will likely be comfortable. Also, with claw grip it should also work. But due to being so wide in comparison to your hand it could feel to wide which could cause cramping/discomfort. But you won't know until you try. Sorry I couldn't have been of more help. If you end up picking it up I would be very interested in how comfortable it is for you so I can tell other people with similar hand sizes.

Sir Galahad thank for your reply but i am using raze mamba te which is a bit bigger than viper ultimate and im very well with it also my hands are 17x9 i measured it wrong and asking again would it be good with claw/palm or would yoy suggest the viper mini Thank you😍

If you are using the Razer Mamba and it is comfortable then I would imagine the Razer Viper Ultimate would be as well. Although the Razer Mamba is more of an ergonomic mouse where the Razer Viper Ultimate isn't. My response to your hand size is the same as the previous comment despite the change with the only difference being I think it would only further increase comfort. I do think the Razer Viper Mini would work great for you and probably be more ideal for your hand size. But it isn't as good of a mouse. However the RVU is about 4x more expensive.

Sir Galahad hmm thanks dude my last question if budget was not the problem which mice would you reccomend me (for gaming)

I think the Razer Viper Ultimate may work well for you. I also think any of the smaller made mice would be enjoyable for you as well such as the Razer Viper Mini or Cooler Master MM710. I'd be interested in hearing which one you choose and your thoughts on it.

Not a whole lot. It looks pretty, has RGB lighting which makes it look all classy, and then it also charges your mouse and keeps the dongle close to ensure the best performance.

I like to keep people on their toes from the very start of the video. Lol.

I personally think the Razer Viper Ultimate is the better mouse out of the two. But I would say that the Logitech G Pro Wireless and the Razer Viper Ultimate are two of the absolute best mice on the market. So, if you're a mouse enthusiast and enjoy having multiple mice then it's worth the price. If you have a second PC that you would use your other wireless mouse with it may justify the purchase. But if you're going to buy it and then put it back in a box after trying it out then no. It really comes down to personal preference and if it would be worth it to you. My rule of thumb is this. In this case this mouse costs $150. If I get 150 hours of use out of it that means I will pay a dollar a minute with it. In which case it's worth it. Especially, if it get 300 hours of use. Then it's 50 cents. Etc... If I get 10 hours of use then no.

Sir Galahad thank you so much, I made my choice, Im gonna add the G Pro Wireless in my collection. Btw Im subcribed, keep up the amazing work brother 👍

I would love to hear your thoughts on it along with what you think of it compared to the Razer Viper Ultimate.

Hey 👋 man Now which mouse do you liked more??g pro or viper

I prefer the Viper Ultimate. But both of them are an excellent choices and you should go with whichever one checks more boxes for your preferences.

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Thanks man. Glad you enjoyed it. Also, welcome welcome to the knights of the round table. I am very happy you are here and hope you enjoy your time here.

@@ThomasMuehler I have been debating which of these to get for 6 months. Currently using the g703. Watched your video and ordered the viper ultimate. Also watched your vid on the astro a50's and those are next in my list

That's awesome man. I'm glad I was able to assist in the decision making process. I will be doing an actual review of the Astro A50 on Monday actually. It will go live at 8 am CST.

I don't think you would need too. Unless you aren't enjoying the GPW or have some spare cash lying around that you want to spend to compare the two.

Glad you enjoyed it. I appreciate you letting me know.

What mouse is the best for you can be different for me. So it really comes down to personal preference and what you are looking for. Both of these mice are considered medium/large so may not be super comfortable due to your hand size. But unfortunately you don't know until you try. Personally I believe that the Razer Viper Ultimate is the better mouse in almost every way. As it is lighter (74 grams vs 80 grams), has a superior sensor, and uses optical switches which are faster than mechanical due to no debounce delay and immune to double clicks. It also comes with a charging dock which is a nice addition. However, it only works for claw and fingertip grip. Palm is not officially supported and due to the lack of a hump on the back I don't think it would be comfortable. A lot of people also complain about the clicks and side buttons on this mouse. However, a lot of people prefer the shape of the G Pro Wireless, the feel of the clicks, side buttons, and the modular design. It also supports all grip types (palm, claw, and fingertip). Which is why I say personal preference comes into play. It does have a significant problem with double clicks. So, to answer your question. If I could only buy one mouse between the G Pro Wireless and the Viper Ultimate I would buy the Viper Ultimate easy choice for me. I'd be interested in hearing which one you choose and your thoughts on it. As being someone with a smaller hand can give me good info on others who have the same question as you.

No the smart tracking is automatically enabled and works on any surface. Although it works better on mice pads because they are more consistent than other surfaces but it DOES NOT need to be a Razer mousepad.

Sir Galahad that’s cool. Thx

I've tried my best to learn as much as I can about the HERO sensor along with the Focus+. Obviously this is limited as if they don't release information then I don't get any. So I cannot confirm this to be 100%. With that disclaimer out of the way. All mice have some sort of "Motion Sync". However, what separates Razer's from the competition is that theirs specifically syncs up exactly with the refresh of the display so that you are always getting the most up to date information. Where others aren't synced as well. The other thing that puts the Focus+ ahead is that it has adjustable landing distance that other sensors don't have. Some usually only have adjustable lift off distance. Last, the Focus+ has the most accurate sensor on the market that I am aware of with 99.6% resolution accuracy. All of this makes it a beast sensor. I think that all of these things makes it feel a bit more accurate and snappy.

Oh Heck yeah Cyaxerus! Welcome welcome to the family. I am very happy you are here. Very excited for you and would love to hear what your thoughts are once you get it. What are you upgrading from?

@@ThomasMuehler upgrading from (a very very old) Naga Chroma! Just built myself a high end desktop and figured I should get a high end mouse to match.

That is actually the first gaming mouse I ever bought. Lol But that is super awesome you’ve got yourself an epic high end desktop and now a mouse to go with it.

@@ThomasMuehler About a week in with the new mouse and it is PHENOMENAL. Everything about the mouse feels like an upgrade. Love it to death.

@@cyaxerus7612 That is what I like to hear! That's awesome man. Super happy for you. I know everytime I pick up my Viper I have the same thoughts.

Yes, I'm sorry about that. I didn't listen to the final mixing before exporting and that was a mistake that I have since fixed in future videos. But I deeply appreciate the constructive criticism. That is very helpful.

Dude me too! I really hope it's real and coming. Because having a smaller form factor that is wireless and lightweight would be epic.

Both of them are 10/10 mice so you can't go wrong with either one. Mice come down to personal preference. So, it really comes down to which mouse checks the most boxes for you. I'd recommend thinking about what you are looking for in a mouse (shape, size, weight, specs, etc.) and what type of grip you use. I'd recommend the G Pro X Superlight over the G Pro Wireless. Unless you are really wanting RGB and modular buttons. But think the Superlight is better than the G Pro. The Logitech G Pro X Superlight is going to be a lot lighter which is noticeable but not everything. Primary clicks on both are excellent. But slightly better on the Superlight. However, the side buttons are better on the Viper (as they are more crisp as the Superlight feels more mushy). However, some people don't like the right side buttons as they can get in the way. It's not an issue for me. Shape wise if you do palm grip go with the G Pro. If you are more of a claw/fingertip than Viper is better. Spec wise the Viper Ultimate is superior. I do feel a difference but it is minor and me splitting hairs. Viper Ultimate also comes in more colors.

I completely agree. If you end up picking them both up I would love to hear if you think my comparisons are accurate and which one you prefer.

Are you having trouble with any double clicking? I want to get a gpro or viper ultimate but the issues I'm hearing about is holding me back along with the price tag.

Double click will only affect the Logitech G Pro Wireless as it uses mechanical switches. It won't happen in the Razer Viper Ultimate because it uses optical switches. My research showed that a double click defect is present in about 10 - 15% of the user base for the GPW. Compared to 4.3% for the Razer Viper Ultimate. Also, keep in mind that for all mice there main point of failure will be clicks. For the Finalmouse Ultralight 2 it was 4.6% of users.

i bought the gpro wireless about 6 weeks ago. thinking about picking up the viper ultimate to see if i like the shape and performance better.

@@timothyspencer9312 did you get it?What is your opinion on these two?

I've heard of that problem a few times. But if it registers in Synapse then I would imagine it isn't a fake. I've heard some people depending on geographical location cannot register their product. I thought when you go to register a product you just put in the serial number? I'm assuming you did that and it just rejected it?

@@ThomasMuehler talked with someone online with the same issue. Razer support gave the guy a second Product Key number. Well I guess nothing is perfect. Hehe Many thanks for the reply. Stay safe and God bless 🙏🙏🙏

@@alfredeugenelasangue6630 Glad you got it sorted and I appreciate you getting back to me with the solution so I can tell that to other people! And you to my dude.

Yes, I use the Glorious 3XL. Which I like a lot that I'd recommend. Otherwise they are a bit hard to find in the "Huge" category.

Thanks man, also wanted to say this video sold me on the viper and awaiting till Christmas, boy I'm happy

@@Midtermsmi That's awesome man. Excited for you to get it this Christmas. If you happen to remember I'd love to hear your thoughts on it at that time once you try it out.

Both mice are 10/10 so you can't go wrong with either. Specs on the Razer Viper Ultimate (RVU) are better. Most find the G Pro Wireless (GPW) to have a better and more comfortable shape. Now the G Pro X Superlight (GPX) is also about 20 grams lighter than the RVU. So, you may want to go down that route. I know Razer has something cooking. But I'm not sure when they are actually dropping. I think one is coming up here soon. With a few in 2022. I'm expecting an updated RVU and possibly a Razer Viper Mini Ultimate. But currently, I think the GPX is probably the mouse to get between battery life, shape, feel, and weight.

I don't see the reason to get both of them. But I do think buying either one is a good investment if you play games on a regular basis on a gaming PC. If you are just buying them to surf web pages and do normal work then you're better off buying something cheaper or another wireless mouse such as the Logitech G305. But from everyone that has tried either one of these mice and not had a defect I haven't heard anyone be like "nah, it wasn't worth it".

Yeah I would wait and just see what they did with the superlight. And by that I mean hopefully they did something to improve the double clicks.

new weight, new feet, i think that is it

@@DumbassUsername We will see. I have one coming in here pretty soon and will be comparing it to the original along with doing an individual review.

Welcome to the knights of the round table bruh bruh bruh. I am very happy you are here and absolutely love your username. lol

@@ThomasMuehler Complete Chad.

I just didn't equalize the audio before exporting which was my bad. I have since rectified this in future videos. But I do appreciate the constructive criticism.

Put very simply the difference between the G703 and the Viper and G Pro Wireless are going to be shape and weight. With the G703 being ergonomic best for palm grip and the Viper and G Pro Wireless being made mostly for claw/fingertip. But the G Pro Wireless supports palm better than the Viper. They are all medium/large mice. The next big thing is going to be weight with G703 being 107 grams, Viper at 69 grams, and G Pro Wireless at 80 grams. Most people say the lighter the mouse the better it will be for FPS. Last, the Viper comes with optical switches which are immune to double clicks where the G703 and the G Pro Wireless use mechanical switches that some report have a crisper feel but can develop double clicks. The G703 and the G Pro Wireless are going to be almost exactly the same. In the sense that they use they same tech (HERO sensor, mechanical switches, mechanical tensioning system). The biggest difference between those two is going to be shape. With the G Pro Wireless being a more ambidextrous shape that is more neutral. Meaning it has a pronounced hump with mild tapering on the sides and modular buttons due to support left and right hands. It supports all hand grips but mostly claw/fingertip. Whereas, the G703 is going to be an ergonomic mouse that supports mainly palm but also claw/fingertip. Last the G703 is a lot heavier at 107 grams whereas the G Pro Wireless is 80 grams. Which makes the G Pro Wireless better for FPS due to the weight. As for the G703 and the Viper. Pretty much the same as I listed above. The Viper is ambidextrous, has less of a hump on the back and more severe tapering on the sides and is made for fingertip/claw and doesn't support palm grip well due to the lack of a hump on the back of the device. It also uses optical switches which are immune to double clicks over the G703 which uses mechanical switches. The Viper is also wired whereas the G703 is wireless. Weight is also dramatically different once again with the G703 at 107 grams and the Viper at 69 grams. Which once again makes the Viper better for FPS due to the weight and shape.

Sir Galahad wow thank you so much

Yeah, if I would have known this video was going to get this many views I would have edited that out. lol

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Viper Ultimate 9/10 times. I occasionally go back to the GPW but it is usually only for a few hours before I want to go back to the RVU.

Spec wise the Razer Viper Ultimate. My personal pick is also the Razer Viper Ultimate. However, a ton of people still greatly enjoy the G Pro Wireless. As do I. But I like the Viper Ultimate better every category.

@@ThomasMuehler ok

I appreciate the quick review! I am sure others will find it just as helpful as I did. :)

Yea totally agree, the shape/arch of G Pro is perfect. But buying G Pro is a total lottery, I thought I have won cuz I did not have any issues for several months then it started double clicks and stutters when you ADS in game. Had to return it and grabbed Viper instead, the shape of this mouse reminds me so much of my FK2, which I loved and used for years. Overall, I think the viper is a very solid mouse.

Agreed.

I try my best.

I like logitech better than razer i hate razer software

Man, that's a tough choice. Comes down to personal preference honestly. I think both of those choices are excellent and don't think you'd go wrong with either. Regarding the keyboards. I think objectively the Huntsman TE is better. Simply because it's using optical switches which means that they are immune to chatter. They are also faster. Not in a way that we would notice. But they require less force to actuate which turn some people off and others greatly appreciate. I would also argue that even though Razer Synapse can be a finicky the software is superior when it is working with what you are able to do. It has better RGB (color accuracy) and also is a lot more in-depth in what you can create with it. I'm also not sure if the Logitech keyboard allows you to change every key on it like the Huntsman TE can. Then you can double that with the FN key. I think the Logitech one only has 12 programmable keys. I also think the TE has a USB C connection over USB Micro. Last, I think the build quality may be a bit better on the TE. However, with that said the Logitech G Pro X comes with swappable switches. Which means that if one were to develop chatter than you could just replace it. Also, if you didn't like REDS you could end up buying BLUES or something else to replace them. Or mix and match. However, buying additional key sets for that keyboard is super expensive. As for the G Pro Wireless over the Viper Ultimate that is what this video is made for. They both perform 10/10. They are separated by minor differences that are based on user preference. But objectively the Viper Ultimate is better spec and performance wise without taking into account personal preference. My personal choice would be the Huntsman TE and the Viper Ultimate. But once again you can't go wrong with either. But I do think, objectively, that Razer has more going for it over Logitech. But both mice suffer from some problems with QA.

Sir Galahad thanks for the help, I’m going to have to go with razer because the Logitech has double click issue, also the huntsman can have different key caps which Logitech can’t

@@monikaszostecka2935 You make very good points. I think you made a good choice and am excited for you. I'd love to hear your thoughts once you try them out and if you think you made the right decision.

@@ThomasMuehler ill let you know, thanks for the help :)

I think the G Pro Wireless is an excellent choice. I still absolutely love mine. I don't know how much disposable income you have or if you are part of Amazon Prime. But Prime day is coming up here real soon and they might also have it on sale at that time. Just something to keep in mind. I also appreciate the kudos. Recently I've been trying to make my reviews better and seeing what I'm doing well and what I'm doing poorly is helpful.