Doesn’t matter what they wanted you to say pal, you were under oath.

If I had been a Post Office Official who participated in this Criminal Conspiracy I certainly would not like to be questioned by Jason Beer KC.

Whatever you think of Gareth Jenkins and what he did or didn’t do in the past this evidence is pretty damning against the Post Office.

Gareth Jenkins actually disgraced himself by appearing at Court contributing to a flawed Guilty verdict for the Defendant in the case which is beyond shameful

He thinks he's a computer. Garbage in, Garbage out.

I did not realise that there are so many people with memory loss in the UK. Appears that the post office employed them all!!

Now he can put the blame on someone or somebody else his memory loss is over!! How amasing...

A cowardly man caught between two forms of cowardice. Scared of losing his job through refusing to lie at the time, scared of being held responsible for that lie

I believe him. We’ve already seen the nest of vipers running Post Office so I’m sure he was leaned on very hard by the scumbags. He was exploited and manipulated and is now their scapegoat. Doesn’t excuse what he did, but it does explain it.

Got to be some sort of medical phenomenon - Corporate Amnesia

He doesn’t seem to comprehend the damage his statements have made ! A pregnant woman sentenced along with others.

This man needs to be carefully wrapped, weighed at the Post Office & sent to jail!

How does he manage to get out of bed and dress himself on a morning? IT expert?!!

Who was the defence team Mrs Misra had? They didn't do very well. Who were all the solicitors and barristers representing people that were incorrectly prosecuted?

Mantra: "I realize that now. I didn't think of it at the time."

I've followed this witness statement over the last three days. Initially I found his evidence credible , until it was revealed that he had been informed specifically of the duties to the court regarding expert witnesses. He has tried, unsuccessfully in my opinion, to assert that he didn't realise that his expert witness statements would be taken literally. He has also displayed complete incompetance regarding expert knowledge. He might just be a gullible imbecile but never the less his statements and omissions led to some of the most disgusting verdicts in British legal history. Even during today's testimony I failed to see any real remorse for the actions that he took, or failed to take. I hope he gets ripped apart at tomorrow's hearing.

Able to recall indirect questions but unable to recall direct questioning ! Coincidence ? 🤔

More damning evidence against Post Office. What is Paula Vennells' reaction while watching these inquiries in her multi-million dollar home? She must be running very, very scared.

Straight up lack of moral fibre...

I was ready on Tuesday to hate this guy. Now I am rather sorry for a bloke who, it seems, will pay an incredibly heavy price for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. For once his incompetence is plain to see and is not being used to disguise malicious behaviour like those more senior to him. I think ultimately he’s a patsy in the same way as Oswald. Yes he pulled the trigger but there were plenty around him to either ensure that he did or to take his place if he didn’t or missed.

He is just a geek. It's not easy to be a geek in the middle of a wolf pack. He went from estimated technical specialist to perfekt scapegoat for the fat cats. Not innocent but certainly not the fulcrum of evil subtly and continuously suggested by the other thugs.

There are a lot of superficial judgements being made here that fail to recognise the complexities of human behaviour. Jenkins seems more naive and hapless than some other witnesses, and his part in the scandal appears to have been more about caught up in the storm rather than deliberately creating it. I am sure being titled ‘Distinguished’ and then used as the system expert appealed to his vanity. Quite a natural human response, particularly when he had been so involved in designing Horizon. His lack of recall is not so strange with the passage of time, albeit that it is quite convenient at times. His apparent lack of awareness of such things as disclosure and liability is unsurprising. How many people ever read, and understand, the details of contracts and agreements?

Clearly had some coaching in providing answers but Beer and his team clearly came armed with the facts that undermine and expose any attempt to claim they were not aware the faults in the system and the faults in their evidence used to convict others.

As a recently retied software engineer who has worked on complex system for over 50 years, the mention of "locking issues" sounds a huge and very loud alarm.

After today, I feel very sorry for Gareth Jenkins. I think he was set up by POL and Fujitsu to be the fall guy. They must have seen him coming and knew he had no curiousity beyond his narrow remit of coding and tech stuff. He could be told what to do without questioning it. I think Beer is aware of this. He got close today to leading Jenkins into naming names.....

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Obviously been coached by his legal representatives 🤔

The man's an idiot. While attempting to throw the post office under the bus he's effectively admitted that he intentionally mislead the courts. When giving evidence in a court of law, your first duty is to the court, NOT your employer or any company your employer is linked to. The courts want the TRUTH, not a biased opinion.

The problem here is two fold: 1. you can't use an expert witness who is spending 90% of his time + focus on identifying + fixing system anomalies. That's simply where his focus is - on the TECHNICAL job. Two hats - no good. 2. You can't EMPLOY AN EXPERT WITNESS WHO IS CONTRACTED TO /EMPLOYED BY THE PROSECUTING COMPANY.

My opinion on this guy is that he's probably a bit of a geek/very capable/even brilliant when it comes to software systems, but as you would expect a complete out of his depth naive individual when it came to legal stuff , it seems very reasonable that everything he did was being driven /decided /guided by PO legal & certain people within post office even to the point where they were telling him this is how the legal stuff works don't worry it's ok. anyone notice he rarely flinches when asked to answer a question or attempts to just say " I can't recall" etc. ! Usually those who answer without hesitance are normally telling the truth.

That's what guilty people do, pass the blame and memory all of a sudden goes blank so much for a IT specialist 😅

From what he's said earlier about communications, I very much doubt he would do more than "skim read" any letter of instruction sent anyway, if that!

Despite this person being seemingly forward about things he still did not provide his expert responsibilities/duties of 'disclosure' to the court. It's evidenced here that POL did ask if there were any issues with Horizon operations. There were two such requests which he claimed in witness statements never happened. He now acknowledges this. His witness statements were partially coached by POL lawyers. You sign a witness statement you own it !! It's evidenced here that it was 'he' who was the first single point of failure in the whole saga. His word was propagated up and down the responsibility chains of command in both Fujitsu and POL. Fujitsu did not provide an expert coming clean with the court; or in fact POL. The SPM's were never in a position to defend themselves from evidence/clarification with actual evidential prosecution data. Even their union representative was aggressively acting as a POL enforcer. This all basically stemmed from a single Fujitsu distinguished engineer's word 'nothing was wrong' and failed to disclose a true system picture. Basically, a single technical system designer deciding whether his system was responsible and reporting as such to the court. He basically admitted having performed no checking to support the SPM's. HE did, and provided, what he was asked to provide; he says !! POL were too concerned with appearances and politics and no real regard for SPM's welfare.

Where I do sympathise with him is that there must have - at times - been cases where it's very confusing to know whether he's dealing with a legal request or not. Amongst the emails we are seeing, he's probably still getting lots of requests from random people to look into things that don't have legal repercussions. POL / FJ should make it clearer what is a legal request and what is not. Should use a tracking system like Jira instead of emails.

He was chosen as an Expert Witness by Fujitsu to give evidence in court. The duties of such a Witness are very specific. He was not however trained and did not know about these duties, such as disclosure of evidence. He gave partially truthful evidence, but not the whole truth. He could be charged after this inquiry, along with others who did not train him.

Gareth Jenkins was not a good expert witness because he believed that Horizon was robust, as stated many times by him from the outset. No curiosity to investigate or entertain other scenarios. He did not see his actions as culpable in jailing postmasters on limited evidence. On the other hand, it was the Post Office who were aggressively pursuing these convictions. If only POL had actually investigated why these inconsistencies had occurred, rather than just going straight into income recovery mode, we would not be here today. I think POL is more culpable than Fujitsu.

So good to see and hear a guy 1:19 who just didn't have the back bone and ethics to stand up and say no to the PO pressure! That makes you as guilty as them. Loser!

I understand the different conflicts of interest from having a current employee of a Fijitsu whose product/system was the subject of much criticism during these trials, having this gentleman as an expert witness for the plaintiff would be an automatic red flag to the defence attorneys surely!!! Yes, he could provide a witness statement and be interrogated on that basis as a witness of fact but not as an independent expert witness. This is a major oversight on the part of the defence attorneys as well unless they waived any claims of the appearance or actual existence of a conflict of interest. I think we should also hear from the defense attorneys. Notwithstanding, what the post office did was just mafia/attrition tactics. Disgusting stuff to hear!

Gives evidence, then is faced with documented evidence, then doesnt remember at all or understood it if he did see it. This liar *repeatedly* provided expert evidence in malicious prosecution of the Sub-Postmasters - not just some one-off mistake (oopsie) but unwavering testimony that the system was completely reliable and could not lose money in the accounts.... whilst it was doing so constantly and had a Fujitsu team assigned to manually go in remotely and make edits to accounts at night. We need to see Post Office executives and their lying lawyers and Fujitsu (seen here) experts doing jail time for this and heavy compensation for their victims and the families of lost victims.

Sorry, an IT ‘Specialist’ (Still not convinced that term should be applied), doesn’t realise right from wrong and is unwilling to rationalise his standing on being utilised as an Expert witness and being restrained from voicing any concerns in a Legal statement which we all know is not to be treated as a work of Fiction! Hate to think he looks at his Bank statement that shows unknown withdrawals and he just accepts it because he was asked to only question the withdrawals he knows about.

We'll have to wait and see, but my final impression from today was that Jenkins was only discredited as an expert witness (by the Post Office) because he raised an eyebrow at the P.O.'s legal team for using his generic report to prosecute individual cases. He's off the hook (sort of) and the blame can be laid at the feet of the Post Office and its legal representatives.

I applied for a job with the post office when asked about my health conditions. I told them I suffer from amnesia and they said great you’ve got the job when can you start 😂

Mr Jenkins is obviously not a people person, he's more comfortable with computers, I'd say. Mr Beer, on the orherhand, sees into your soul, you need to have your moral ducks in a row if he's looking at you.

Technically the bugs should have been easily fixed... in my readings it seems there was a replication function to cater for data loss or failure and in that process transactions were duplicated... there could easily have been a validation check at end of day ... its all so suspicious.... i have used banks for decades and never experienced incorrect accounting.... what excuses do they have for bugs

Jo Swinson, Ed Davey & Government who one would think the ultimate route for help didn't care enough , the Lawyers didn't care enough to look thoroughly at the P O Executives & the system they had to be Judge & Jury & the system for bonuses , Lord Arbuthnott cared ,Private Eye cared & supported their fight for justice we need to know who did care perhaps that will be clearer in the Criminal cases

The Horizon system clearly had a devastating impact on the moral compass and it’s power to wipe the memories of so many that come into contact with it is jaw dropping. It would probably be better suited to an episode of Star Trek. Maybe they have used the computer from Superman 3 (1983). Meanwhile these people once, this enquiry is over need prosecuting.

Beer should have questioned Jenkins concentratiing for at least an hour specifically on the reasons for the massive shortages in branch accounts, especially the reasons for them and why system testing didn't uncover the problems, and why Jenkins didn't have an explanation when giving evidence against Thomas and misra etc. Abysmal system testing is largely to blame for this miscarriage of justice and Jenkins should have known that and got organised before saying he thought Horizon was working well, saying it like a mantra.

I am shocked Second Sight regarded this man as a straight sort of person.

You can see how malleable he is he said he should have looked into post masters being required to pay up or else when questioned about this. Luckily Sir Wyn interjected and said but you were not involved until after decisions to prosecute had been made. He is most likely on the autism spectrum takes everything literally which is probably why he is a tech guy.

3:54 Typical of being a contractor or an employee of VERY large organisations where the management just lopes along and never giving ANY clear instructions or briefings on anything. And then when the resourceful person takes initiatives or even assumptions, YOU are at fault!

He should have been instructed in what being an expert witness means. He was not (PO’s fault) and didn’t insist on receiving such instruction (his fault) no one in the PO and Fujitsu comes out of the smelling of roses.

Does that man realise, he’s admitting perjury ?

Was the bug that caused the loss identified? GJ maintains that it wasn't.

He's clear of any wrongdoing and the accounting software was not at fault. The prosecution and criminal conviction of subpoatmasters was warranted.

It’s very simple really. POL had a ‘Duty of Care’ to ensure the compulsory computer system (Horizon) imposed on its own legally bound SPMs was ‘fit for purpose’. Because they failed this ‘Duty of Care’, POL completely ignored it, makes POL LIABLE for the adverse outcomes and for full compensation to make good losses/damages to all affected SPM’s and for responsible POL individuals to bear the full costs and penalties.

I originally thought he was being used as a scapegoat. The distinguished , 💩💩jumped on the P.O bandwagon of making postmaster lives a living hell.

It's clear this is now heading for a full criminal trial......and rightly so.

As tony blair was told horizon had bugs/faults in 1998 and signed it off, why has mr beer not called him as witness ? Not another cover up

I would love to see a Paula Vennells reaction video😂 She would no doubt be in tears when it suited, but the Church is always there to hold her hand, so thats ok then.

lets not forget there were Government ministers and civil servants involved in this. After all they were the only share holders and should have taken a closer look as soon as the number looked out of control

It's amazing how easily some people can pretend and blatantly lie! 😖

In my world presure is knowing that if I tell my boss I refuse to be a Sheep. Knowing full well that I will be out the door next week for doing so then so be it. I will be able to tell my kids I have morality. I am sure I could find other work. I guess my way of thinking does not fit in. Probably why more people do not become whistle blowers.

Just say cant rember and you will be ok thats how easy it is

really cant make my mind up about him. was he set up as a scapegoat or was he fully aware of the consequence's of his actions. think a jury need to look at him.

Surely the lawyers and court officials, even the judge, have a hand in making sure the expert is independent and knows what is required in law and is given the right questions -- especially if the prosecutor is a benefiting, protective and powerful company against an individual. Although the word 'robust' does not cover 'whole truth' there seems to be a blatant and incessant ignorance of actually using horizon at point of use on a daily and weekly basis -- from the point of view of an honest, skillful and experienced sub-postmaster -- and also no evidence of spending of gains which I thought was the sort of evidence required in criminal courts. Maybe they should stop naming them sub-postmasters because they seemed to be treated like they were 'sub-human'.

So , he says that for him analysis is a worry

Did this guy not to think to ask if there was a wider issue with Horizon?

I was just following orders 🤔

It appears he only answered questions put to him. He witheld information which he could have disclosed. Busy - probably and therefore he dealt with items as quick as could. He should never have been asked to start with. He got in deeper and deeper and beyond his comprehension. Either that or he is very convincing lier. He was to give an (independent) expert opinion without knowing the severity of his actions!! Surely any Judge should have seen through that? Or do that stack em high and sell em cheap!

Having worked in IT systems development for over 30 years I support Gareth 100%. He deserves a knighthood for keeping that hugely complex Horizon system running as well as it has. I'm having a T shirt made up with "I'm Backing Gareth Jenkins" on it. Hang in there Gareth, we know you were stitched up by the POL legal team and senior management psychopaths.

Has Jarnail been arrested yet?

So many people acting thick

It wasnt me...etc

Look at the captions: 'Lead Council to the Enquiry'. Counsel, for goodness sake!

I think most of the comments here have it wrong , he knew a lot about the system , not about the overall process or the operations about the Post Office or the legal system . Why should he , he was a software engineer , nothing more , nothing less and during the time period there would have been literally billions , trillions of data processed 99.9% that obviously gave no problems .

The architect!

hes a very strange character..... not with it... may have a computing degree but seems to have a boyish confusion about the basic facts of life...maybe he has been used but its little defence for his gross incompetence and blind loyalty to a flawed system his employers and client. Even though he has a first class legal team, I cant see a defence to perjury and conspiricy to pervert the course of justice. I can't weigh up just how much of this rabbit in the headlights performance is an act.

Cluster to mitigate. The evidence written down cannot lie, unlike this excuse of so say professional. He knew the PO prosecutions were not sound due to Horizon not being stable, unless the written evidence is false.

Add him to the nest of adders

This guy is very hard of thinking. I'm betting he's the useful fool in this story. Bought and paid for by The Post Office.

Mr Jenkins isn't the villain, George Thomson may actually be the most prescient. The scope of the Inquiry is off and should be focused on the organisational structuring of the PO (and the whole privatisation process). Forget the drama and see the decoy as it is.

Sorry watch this guys non verbal signals, he is not telling the truth

Not a decent man, he just did the minimum work, showed, still showing no care for a real person, who deserved the rightful assistance of the law and him as a supposed expert witness. Shame on him and his total lack of professional and personal responsibility.

He reminds my of the cowardly lion in the wizard of oz

*It was his love for Rev. Vennells that was Gareth Jenkins' undoing, as unrequited love often is. With his raging passion denied by the Ice Queen of Post Office Ltd. he then decided to take it out on the whole world, with the poor sub-postmasters getting the malicious fruits of his bitterness first. He wanted to send everyone on earth to prison. It's a story of profound tragedy straight out of Shakespeare, or some of the stranger episodes of 'Crossroads', like the one when Benny's goat Starry tried to set fire to the motel 😳🐐🔥Shakespeare was from Birmingham just like 'Crossroads'.*

What a dog

O'er Oops? {/}

Another who hopefully will end up in jail

This bloke needed to grow some balls and stand up for what is right.

bent liar.

Somewhat enlightening and frightening that Beer, obviously out of his depth technically and intellectually, should resort to brow beating when Jenkins gives a totally logical and valid technical explanation for his actions.

It would be justifies if he went to jail but that wouldn’t happen ! 🥲