Long Travel On Midwest Trails? Pivot Switchblade

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Ай бұрын

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@TheApolloK
@TheApolloK Ай бұрын
"I drive a lifted truck - I get it". I like and appreciate the XC/Gravel perspective. I'm enjoying the videos and opinions. Keep'em coming!
@frienduro24
@frienduro24 Ай бұрын
I sold my enduro bike. I’m full XC nerd
@HLDefender
@HLDefender Ай бұрын
I definitely think if you're going to add a Trail Bike to your collection - the Trail 429 is the one for you. It has a suspension one level up from the Mach 4 . But has the reinforced build to handle almost anything you can throw at it Trail 429 is the one and done for virtually all "Trail" needs. Please consider reaching out to Pivot for a comparison video bro.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
No I 100% agree. We have a 429 in stock. They told me I could borrow this switchblade for the weekend and I wasn’t gonna pass up the opportunity to try it out. Still had a ton of fun riding it!
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
The 429 is exactly the kinda bike I’m referring to being so good now that I’m not sure these long travel bikes are relevant for a majority of riders.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
Hey man, I’m sorry if this want you, But I got a call from someone saying they commented on this video about a custom build. Just wanted to say I never saw an email come through and just wanted to make sure it didn’t fall through the cracks if that was something you were still interested in. Thanks, Jesse
@HLDefender
@HLDefender Ай бұрын
@bicyclestation Hi Jesse - Yes - that was me on the phone call. Unfortunately I gotta put that purchase on hold for a while but will definitely reach out to you when I free up. Thanks for your time to answer all my questions. 🤙
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
Any time man! Appreciate you reaching out regardless! Wanted to make sure I didn’t miss your email.
@bobdunahee88
@bobdunahee88 3 күн бұрын
I ride longer travel bike and I really enjoyed your perspective. That being said I would've taken out that 20-25mm spacer under the stem and put it on top.
@hardmtnbiker
@hardmtnbiker 17 күн бұрын
Super Boost is annoying but so is Boost 148. I think it’s a much more significant improvement to a mid travel bike and obviously DH bikes and a few long travel enduro and freeride bikes are using Super Boost for a reason. The Boost 148 was so marginal compared with 142 it isn’t really necessary for short travel or hardtail’s. Perhaps that’s why hardtail are still available as 142. Just my 2cents
@Doggepp
@Doggepp Ай бұрын
I see where you are coming from, since you often ride the most "racy" setup XC bikes one can get, and this is what I would say at the high-end of the "trail-bike" category, almost touching enduro territory with this travel. a 130/140 trail-bike would probably be more suited to this, or maybe even a 120/130 like the Yeti SB120, or Santa Cruz Tallboy I myself have had both an XC/downcountry bike, and an s-works stumpy evo. I would never take the stumpy out at home, since its "purely" XC-ish trails. But I have taken both bikes to a bike park, and did more blue/flowy trails, as well as some chunk - And you really see the difference there. The XC/DC 120/120 bike feels like riding an old pogo stick and it feels like its going to break, while the stumpy evo honestly feels like riding a full on dirt bike in comparison. The difference is HUGE. Probably has a lot to do with more complient frame, wheels, "better" suspension, and thicker stancions. It just feels solid, and the xc bike feels flimsy. So when put in the right environment, the difference was bigger than I could have imagined, but I would never really ride it at home Also, I kind of convinced myself to get a trailbike just because everyone and their mother on youtube has one. Its the "cool thing" to have. But I only ever used it for bike parks, which was 3 times a year. So having a $15k trail bike when 99% of my biking is XC didnt make any sense, so I only have an xc bike now.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
I’m trying not to hate on it. It’s definitely a culture and vibe that’s super cool. Just can’t say it’s practical. I currently have a 140/130 stumpjumper that I enjoy a lot when I’m riding with slower riders. But it’s 26lbs and basically an XC bike with more travel lol. This switchblade pedals like an XC bike for real tho. The handleing was the biggest issue on this trail.
@Doggepp
@Doggepp Ай бұрын
@@bicyclestation Yeah, I get that feeling, my stumpy definitely felt big on the tighter XC trails as well, handling is totally different. But its very rocky/chunky here, and the feeling of just lifting your vision and just smash through a rock garden, without the bike caring what line you take is a very cool feeling. I would want a trail/enduro bike again, but hard to justify when its used maybe 4-5 times a year, and the XC bike is used hundreds.
@phantasma2323
@phantasma2323 Ай бұрын
I used to have the same dilemma about riding bigger bikes. However, after cracking three cross-country frames from top manufacturers, I realize that for guys that are heavier and more muscular and ride hard through rough terrain, a bike like the pivot switchblade makes it easier to attack things a little more aggressively without worrying about durability and frame flex, etc. I also think that if you are fit, you can push any bike and ride cross country enduro or Trail equally. If you are a lighter rider a down country type bike will be just fine if you listen to some of pivots podcasts about the development of the switchblade they develop that for the aggressive rider first and then lighter riders can tune it depending on their weight with volume spacers. that’s why picking a mountain bike is a very individual thing. Just my thoughts.
@51249ca
@51249ca Ай бұрын
Have Superboost on my Knolly and Devinci both with 29" wheels. Personally i would like to try 27.5 again (Boost) or a lower travel 29er. Hub width is irrelevant to me. Just want to be able to buy an oval chainring easily, and preferably have external cable routing.
@JoeJohnson_
@JoeJohnson_ 25 күн бұрын
How well does this bike pumping accelerate out on the trails? Because I'm ready going to build this bike
@alecfotsch3533
@alecfotsch3533 Ай бұрын
I had a salsa spearfish before i got my switchblade. Salsa had a fancy wheelset, i transferred it over because both are super boost. I don't think anyone feels super boost. I think its more about enabling design and geo on bikes.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
And I think that’s a fair reason for it. I just think it makes the bike a harder sell
@Ridewithneto
@Ridewithneto Ай бұрын
I exclusively run the Nobby Nics 2.4 super ground in gumwall as well. Been running them for 3 years.
@treyshepard1717
@treyshepard1717 Ай бұрын
That bike looks fun!
@blackandtan.0075faster
@blackandtan.0075faster Ай бұрын
We are on the same page 95% of the time and this is one of those times, great video.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
Appreciate it! Let me know if y’all still wanna do a show together
@Neuron429
@Neuron429 Ай бұрын
The super boost is inconvenient but I bout industry 9 1/1 wheel set and it feels good but when I upgrade I will buy a new pivot frame or a new bike and new wheels
@andersonday3196
@andersonday3196 Ай бұрын
I loved riding the switchblade, but I could not get myself to buy it because of the super boost spacing
@brucehumphries6889
@brucehumphries6889 Ай бұрын
You could drop the stem to the headset. Also could size down on a big bike like that. That being said, I had. Stumpy Evo and ran a 70 stem negative rise on it.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
I should have just done that. I know it would have helped with the handling. I just really wanted to try it the way all the trail bike people ride them.
@brucehumphries6889
@brucehumphries6889 Ай бұрын
@@bicyclestation I had an earlier version of the SB, maybe 2018 model. The Geo was still close to XC, but just with longer suspension. That bike would go anywhere. Wished I still had it.
@alecfotsch3533
@alecfotsch3533 Ай бұрын
Tall handlebars, im told, helps with the "in the bike feeling", prevents over the bar scenarios and keeps your hands on steep descents. My version of the Midwest with the steep ups and downs of Duluth favors the switchblade much more than an XC bike. The switchblade is an excellent technical climber. I rode on on national in Arizona on south mountain which is a very steep technical climb and it was so impressive with its available to get up and over rocks. I wonder how much of your dislike/ struggle cones down to unfamiliarity with this stuff of bike and its handling.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
I think a lot of it. I know the bike is good. I’m just so foreign to its handling. I feel safer when my weight is over the front wheel lol
@marksandoval5361
@marksandoval5361 Ай бұрын
I think that 120/120mm travel XC/Downcountry bikes have become much more capable is the last few years. However, for non-racers, I think they would benefit from longer slacker geometry 76* STA, 65* HTA. XC geo sucks but if you're a serious racer, I could see why you would want it. I think that long travel trailbikes are more useful where trails are steeper, faster, and rougher. I live in Durango CO and ride a 150/160mm travel Stumpy Evo. It's rocky and steep here with long descents over rock gardens. I use 2.6 Rekon front and 2.4 Rekon rear tires. Even long travel bikes deserve fast rolling tires. I also ride a 110/120mm travel Epic Evo with 700x47mm fast-rolling Pathfinder Pro Gravel tires for riding pavement, gravel, and green/blue singletrack. I my opinion, there are only 2 types of Trailbikes, those that come with 120mm forks and those that come with 160mm forks. Bikes with 130, 140, and 150mm forks should be avoided. Pick your poison, Down-Country or All-Mountain.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
Totally agree. The new epic dips into the 65 degree head angle at 120/120 now. Its pretty amazing what it can do
@Sketchybackyardtrails
@Sketchybackyardtrails Ай бұрын
Great video!
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
Appreciate it!
@jamiefarrell6496
@jamiefarrell6496 Ай бұрын
Epic Evo is all the trail bike most people (including me) need 🙂
@jamiefarrell6496
@jamiefarrell6496 Ай бұрын
Epic Evo is all the trail bike most people (including me) need 😉
@tarpontime7562
@tarpontime7562 Ай бұрын
I want the tan wall racing Ralph’s 2.25 for my epic. Going to order them from you guys.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
Email me at jesse@thebicyclestation.com. Might have to special order them in if I’m remembering correctly
@KennyFandango-gg1up
@KennyFandango-gg1up Ай бұрын
The Smith shift glasses you’re wearing are they the XL or standard version please…the visibility they offer looks amazing.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
XL. They rock
@Hjorten93
@Hjorten93 Ай бұрын
You think there’s a difference, or like more of a ”need” for longer travel/heavier bike for a heavier rider? Im like 240lbs and i always feel like XC bikes would be so fragile under my fat ass
@crane1bl
@crane1bl Ай бұрын
I'm not sure riders will want to deal with limited wheel selection or a full wheel rebuild just to upgrade their wheelset, even if the concept of superboost is entirely sound for big rig monster truck bikes. If the industry standardizes superboost for big bikes, it alleviates the problem somewhat. With smaller bikes as the new do-it-all, I guess allowing big bikes to adopt the qualities of their enduro/DH cousins makes sense.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
I like this take a lot. Might as well push them further into the gravity segment.
@samd6405
@samd6405 Ай бұрын
The fact they do not offer frame only options and superboost are reasons I look elsewhere. Otherwise, Pivot looks solid.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
As a dealer I can get you a frame. They just don’t advertise it at all. They really do pedal amazing. The bike is probably perfect except it’s harder to customize.
@samd6405
@samd6405 Ай бұрын
Good to know….was debating between Ibis Exie and Pivot Mach 4SL last year…ended up with the Ibis due to frame only option, plus discount on USA manufactured carbon.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
I don’t understand why they don’t advertise it. High end customers usually own some solid parts and don’t wanna fork out for a complete
@samd6405
@samd6405 Ай бұрын
@@bicyclestation 💯 agree…and that described my use case. I’d argue they go further than not advertise. They explicitly told me they did not offer frames. Granted, this was ~1yr ago…so maybe things have changed. But I contacted them directly as I was interested in a Mach 4SL. Both being DW link XC options. And no stupid Super Boost either…lol
@brucehumphries6889
@brucehumphries6889 Ай бұрын
You’re not wrong about the wheels. Sucks. Nobby Nics though!!! Yea!!!
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
They are really good tires. Have you tried the wills?
@brucehumphries6889
@brucehumphries6889 Ай бұрын
@@bicyclestation Yes! Run them on my Epic Evo. They roll fast and have really good traction. I’m trying my lighter wheels with the Ray/Ralphs, and I swear they don’t feel as fast as the Wills
@OscarHernandez-xx2je
@OscarHernandez-xx2je Ай бұрын
Switchblade is not an XC bike. You should know this.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
The title of the video is long travel bike on Midwest trails. I’m not sure you watched the video?
@OscarHernandez-xx2je
@OscarHernandez-xx2je Ай бұрын
@@bicyclestation i did bro. You just complained a lot and it seems very weird.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
So you’re agreeing with me that the bike makes no sense for Midwest trails? I’m not understanding what you’re trying to say? I don’t remember claiming it was an Xc bike.
@OscarHernandez-xx2je
@OscarHernandez-xx2je Ай бұрын
@@bicyclestation That’s ok if you don’t. Others will.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
Will what?
@carlosflanders518
@carlosflanders518 Ай бұрын
The constant visual cuts and glitches make this video unwatchable. Gave up. No idea what the guy was saying as the editing is just too distracting.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
Sorry about that. Tons of people comment about how much they love it. I understand it appeals to more of a TikTok style audience, and understand that that’s not for everybody
@johnlesoudeur3653
@johnlesoudeur3653 Ай бұрын
This style of machine gun editing with constant backgound musak has become very popular unfortunately...probably for short duration concentration time span people. I also find it pretty irritating and will aften just stop watching this style of video and move on.
@bicyclestation
@bicyclestation Ай бұрын
It’s definitely the meta. I don’t think the channel would be growing if it wasn’t generally liked. I personally like it occasionally but not every video. And I think that’s why it’s doing well for us. I think most cycling channels do minimal edits.
@johnlesoudeur3653
@johnlesoudeur3653 Ай бұрын
@@bicyclestation Your content and humour are excellent and if I did not own a Scott Spark RC would have been tempted by a Specialised Epic following one of your videos. You have to go with the flow...I have always swam against the tide lol.
@jamiefarrell6496
@jamiefarrell6496 Ай бұрын
Epic Evo is all the trail bike most people (including me) need 🙂
@jamiefarrell6496
@jamiefarrell6496 Ай бұрын
Epic Evo is all the trail bike most people (including me) need 😉