what if the twist was that john locke was the smoke monster all along, like the real john locke died on the plane and the smoke monster assumed his identity from day 1 on the island.

@@SuCKeRPunCH187 If it were true he wouldn't act like Locke when he was alone

@@SirTrig i'm just saying what if?

@@SuCKeRPunCH187 and I'm just providing my response

@@SuCKeRPunCH187 but John Locke leaved the island so.... I don't think so

petrosp13 what I don't understand is how Ben Linus can be watching this when he killed Locke off the island before coming back to it. I know how Ben came back and all but how can he be watching this while Locke is still alive?

Which Locke do you mean?

petrosp13 The Locke that got shot in the leg. I understand the other Locke is MIB.

Ben moves Island and flashes begin. In the first or second flash Ethan shoots Locke. Then flash, the Beechcraft is on the ground. Richard comes to Locke to take out the bullet. I understand MIB/Locke, Richard and Ben are now in 2007, but it was one of the first few flashes that this scene here happened. I think it's understanding time that's messing with me.

Don't forget that the facts you are mentioning are Locke's present. MIB was present at these flashes of Locke in order to persuade him that he is special, to persuade him to bring everyone back, to persuade him to die. Locke was convinced, he convinced Richard that he was special and the leader and the facts led one to another. Locke died, they brought his body back, MIB took his body, Richard didn't know Locke was MIB, he was convinced that he was the leader (so did Ben), they led him to Jacob, and after one season of manipulation of Ben by MIB, Jacob died. True masterpiece

Real Locke was weak person, this version is better and smarter!

@@artembaranov this one was evil. Old Locke was cool.

@@kbanghart Real Locke was an amazing, tragic character. One of the best TV characters of all time.

@@artembaranov MiB and Jacob were both terrible. Really wish the writers could have thought up something better than Beavis and Butthead.

@@WesleyWyndam-Pryce lol you thought they were as shallow as Beavis and Butthead?

My thoughts exactly. I wished he would be the next Jacob.

done him AND sayid dirty

Don't talk to me ABOUT FAIR..

Frankly, they did this type of needless/pointless "death" to a lot of them. Locke, Charlie, Boone, Alex, Rousseau et al. They built up the character, gave traction and impetus to their development and then just cut the strings. LOST was the King of meaningless deaths or at least seemingly meaningless. Charlie died believing he was getting Claire rescued off the Island. THIS did NOT happen. Boone died believing he was radioing for help, but he was actually talking to Bernard and the tail section survivors. Libby was supposed to be some part of Hugo's arc, but then was summarily killed off. Illana was supposed to have some significant role and she just blew up. Charlotte's entire job was to just die (showing HOW dangerous time travel is/would be). Some would argue that Locke's death was part of the LONG CON that Jacob had put in place to make the Smoke Monster (which somehow carries his deceased brother's desire to leave the Island, his disdain for humanity, and an intense hatred for Jacob (likely born from Jacob beating, causing what should be a fatal blow to MiB's head, and sending MiB into the heart of the Island) think it's winning. This somehow supposedly assigns value and purpose to Locke's death. That would mean that Jacob resurrecting Locke after what should have been a fatal fall from 8 stories and then somehow restoring John's ability to walk (or getting the Island to do this) was all a sham to make Locke seem special and a prime candidate for Smokey to use as the Loophole. I still think that it was a disservice to such a great complex and sympathetic character like Locke to have him go out that way.

The writers made the choice that he wasn't actually special, and was just a dupe and a gullible sucker, and died in a shitty hotel room with no redemption arc. Shitty ass on-the-fly writing. They had nothin'.

Rude666 I feel. But this is all part of MiB’s plan to confuse and manipulate the survivors. Tormenting them as if he really is John. Quite evil I may say

Gianluca Auriemma That is pretty crazy, it wasnt the island that needed them but MIB

Nah, island (well, Jacob ) also needed them to stop MiB and protect the heart of the island aka the Light

Jacob needed them the island needed them they were candidates and they left, so they have to get back to protect the island cause they’re chosen

MiB did need them but he didnt need them to leave he needed them dead so there was no one left who could stop him from leaving. Its a bit ambiguous as to whether the light needed to be out for him to leave but I assume it didnt, but when it went out it cancelled out any power the island or Jacob/Jack had over keeping him there.

god i love lost

IAmRedherrings how is MIB possessing Locke's body here when Locke hasn't died yet?

He died. The wounded Locke's present is before his death

Exactly! I've actually been thinking about doing a video on this. The time traveling compass. It's caught in a time loop. It's never been created or destroyed, yet it still exists!

@@BrandonHanna Because presumably, there was a timeline (Probably the first) In which the loop itself was created by somebody traveling back.

Yeah, he also ensured their initial survival by leading Jack to water and the caves.

YodatheHobbit no he didn’t, all he wanted was to kill them if you don’t remember jack almost died if it wasn’t for Locke.

Amazing scene from an amazing show.

It would have been a great little hint but I think he said "to give Richard his compass back".

@@jxsh03 oh, maybe i misheard then.

@@desmondbrown5508 nope you were right ,i hear it to

Mr Ecko would probably kill you for desecrating his brothers resting place

Too bad it's Heroin, that would be extremely boring being High like that on this Island. I'd rather it be cocaine.

When you eventually run out , cause you will . The withdrawals will be horrific - unless your smart and don’t do it everyday 👍🏼. Believe me

Because of the curative efects of the island maybe is harder to overdose. Who knows... Sounds like a worthy dharma initatitve experiment to do...

He knew he had to fulfill history. Mib was the one sending them through time and he came back around on the other side to fulfill his plans.

Smokey had read Locks mind earlier in series 2 i think- plus numerous other people alive and dead for 1000s of years. He also had the knowledge of being part of the island -'so he made all the events to get locke back to the island.

He had to keep things in order I imagine like the timeline had to stay the same. His plan would fail if Locke never left the island, because then Ben wouldn’t kill him and his body would never return to the island. Mib was playing games with everyone from the beginning. All part of his plan

No. Locke time travelled to 2007

Erik Pötzsch basically when John is shot there is another flash that takes him to the future. This makes it 2007. Richard then sees John and gives him the compass after the real John from 2007 tells him too. Because of the flashes two John's existed in this one time

Actually wait re reading your comment I'm lost too now

Erik Pötzsch I think when Richard said about the last time he saw John it was when Ben moved the island so John met Richard and the others and then just disappeared

@@DG-um3xi No because that is not John Locke it's the Monster.

This is a plot hole for sure.

No I thought Ben choked him to death on Civilization on MIB/Locke's coersion

No, Ben did that, the man in black possesed his body when they arrived on the island

Yes.

He wasn't wrong about the island.

when he use someones body he get their memories

He was the one sending them through time with his time wheel

He had scanned Lockes mind in season 1 in the episode 'walk about' . He was using the time wheel to manipulate bringing him back.

He has his memories one of mib abilities, he retains the memories of people he impersonates. Smokey can scan people’s memories/minds

@theshakl because when he takes the form of a dead person, he has his/her memories aswell.

@@nixiontm How could the real Locke know when he was at this moment?

@@pay2playwin4free27 the real locke doesn't know WHEN he was when this happened to him. I think he was just realizing that he was travelling through time.