same here

It's been 11 years but if MIB left the island after he became smokey it's implied/said it would cause the end of the world. This guy died in this episode, and then got infected by "Evil" and then just takes on his form. The mother was the real villain though, she should have just let him leave.

@@TheodoreBotman that's only a metaphor for what happened, and how the only way Jacob can communicate such things to people from different times like the Egyptians and Richard. In reality, mib can leave the island, but only if he turns off the Source, no longer binding him to it like a magnet. The problem is, the Source is the birthplace of the universe, and the collective consciousness of everyone who ever lived. Hence, leaking the Source out, by removing the cork would destroy the world, not the actual act of him leaving the island. He was not infected with evil. His consciousness was merely uncoupled from his body, and he was given the ability to scan people's memories and take the appearance of the dead, essentially making him an immortal collection of experiences. He knows what lies beyond the island through scanning other people, never being able to leave, never being able to die and rejoin the Source. Obviously, this would drive any person mad, determined, manipulative, and apathetic to life. A fate worse than death. This is how Mother describes it, seeing as she is herself both protector and smoke monster. You should check out the channel Lost Explained. I thought I understood the show in it's entirety until I watched his series that explains everything concisely, but with detail.

@Daddy the show was very clear on many occasions, shown from the perspective of the man in black, that he was the smoke monster, and Mother was a smoke monster before him. It's merely a consequence of what happens after making direct contact with the Source. As Mother says, it's a fate worse than death. And she knew it because it happened to her. The vague lines given by Dogen and the metaphor given by Jacob to explain what happened to his brother to a 19th century man are not a literal telling of what the black smoke monster is. There is no evidence in the show that there is some sentient incarnate evil bent on destroying the universe, however everything explicitly and implicitly explained by the show states that the smoke monsters consciousness is in fact, originally human, especially given the fact that a huge motive in the show is good and evil exist in everyone, and no one is completely evil, it wouldn't make sense to add a being of evil incarnate and then give no confirmation of such a thing.

@Daddy my comments cover this. Jacob isn't being literal here. He's trying to explain the Island to a man from the 19th century Christian who is still thinking in terms of heaven/hell, God/The Devil. He isn't describing what happens when the mib leaves the island. He's talking about what happens when the Source grows dark, which is necessary for the mib to leave the island. As Mother says, if the light goes out here, it goes out everywhere. So if the mib leaves the island, that means the Source has gone dark. In which case everyone in the world/universe would die.

And this fake mother is one of many disguises for the devil, just as Jacob is, and just as Ben Linus is when he is left outside of the church on the final episode.

They are Egyptians, MIB is Set, Jacob is Horus, the mother is Taweret ou Isis and the Source is the Nu.

@@you-cf7df close but not really.. Jacob is Ra, Mib is Apep. Hurley is Horus and Ben is Set. Locke is Osiris and Jack is Anubis, Richard is Thoth and Jacks dad is Nun(Nu)

@@LazlaTheFallen Yeah and I'm your Irish uncle, fruitcake

@@NuXta Victo and Lazla make an interesting point: it's the same story just repeating over different iterations of time.

​@@LazlaTheFallenWhat a bull! Why are you crossing his arguments when he clearly refers to the egyptian times there and you randomly give characters that names cuz you fantasized that in your mind?

He becomes evil, but he was turned that way via sympathetic means.

He is the Smoke Monster. The MiB made contact with the source before the cork stone system was installed, a fate referred to as being worse than death, his consciousness then merged with part of that energy and he became an entity driven solely by a single minded malevolent desire to leave. That desire is ALL he is at that point, none of his humanity remains and he still retains that disgust that he has for human beings, seeing them only as playthings he can use to acheive his goals and has no regard for human life. He is, in may ways, darkness. And this is what leads to Jacob labelling him evil incarnate. He believes that at the heart of the island is an evil that must be contained and that his brother now represents an escaped part of that evil. Which is why he would never let him leave

nope. everyone was evil to him. he's like a black slave killing their masters or something. it was their fault. all he wanted was the freedom to go to rome.

I think Mother gamed this out-whether Smokey was good or bad, what he was doing put her charge-the light-at risk. So she had to act fast, incapacitating the man in black, killing all those people, making Jacob take over her job and bringing the man in black’s rage onto her. That’s why she said “thank you” after the man in black stabbed her. What she didn’t account for was how Jacob would react.

MIB will spread sickness and manipulate people look at Rousseau team the writers labelled him the villain

Becoming the smoke monster didn't make him evil. As the mother explains, everyone has a bit of the light in them, but they always want more, but they can't actually take more light, all they can do is destroy the light. What happened to him when he went into the light was some of his light was lost, absorbed back into the light, and the absence of light is darkness. The base state of the universe is actually these clouds of black electric smoke. The light is the only thing that makes the universe what it is, some kind of special particles that are a fundamental force that shapes reality, keeping away the darkness from destroying it. The smoke monster isn't a being, it's a force. Before the light, the entire universe was made of nothing but black electrical smoke. Then at some point something happened that caused the light particle to come into existence, giving birth to the universe, like a big bang. The dimensions of space were altered to where this bubble universe was created, and space inverted in on itself, trapping the darkness like wine in a bottle, with the light being the cork to that bottle. The smoke has no will, people merging with its nature give it will. It's only called evil as an analogy. What it really means to call it evil is that if men can use it, they will use it for evil, because it will make them have more abilities than other men. And a universe where everyone could use the black smoke, just becomes a universe devoid of actual life, not that that could happen anyways, because if the light goes out, we wouldn't simply exist as dark smoke beings, we would cease to exist entirely. It's like matter vs antimatter. Black smoke can annihilate existence itself, turning the universe into nothing but mindless black clouds of energy. No beauty. No love. No sentience. Nothing. That's why it was soo important to protect the light. It was a delicate but powerful thing that allowed existence to exist. Tampering with it was tampering with all of existence.

​@@peoplez129He wasnt the smoke when do you people get that? The smoke was hold in the temple and MiB ran around free.

@@peoplez129 Ok he was a person, and not pure gfood, but he justr wanted to leave, and ther was no harm in him leaving before. Add his mom is pretty crazy and lied to him. And didnt want to let him go, and murder his new friends. I would say caring about people isnt evil, If anyone is told what she totell people, chances are they are in a cult. By the way. Its not unreasonable to act against her, healthy even. Again, he just wanted to leave. Smokey is a mix of the darkness, that might drove the mom crazy, and the pretty traumatic stuff happening at once. He wasnt the same anymore.

Mib was never an evil person. He is epitome of curiosity and determination, basic human instincs. He wanted to know who he is and where he is from, to explore. Jacob is simply afraid of losing his friend but also attached to the island, epitome of devotion and care. Man of science vs man of faith, main narrative of this show.

Interesting perspective

Wow, you were deceived. "Jacob" was Satan.

@@thepostnihilist but everything Jacob says is what the god of abraham says?

@@lisaross9335 It is actually a corruption of what God said because Satan wants to be like God and therefore copies God: "For thou hast said in thine heart, 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.'" - Isaiah 14:13-14

@@thepostnihilist for the writers of the show jacob was not evil , nor satan , he made many mistakes but MIB was evil, plus this is fiction , I don't know why you use biblical verses to prove something about fiction show

She has to have been a smoke monster too. She drags him out of that well, kills his people, fills the well in. All in a short time. She also appears here silently, away from the ladder and facing him as through she didn't use the ladders.

U guys didnt hear the smoke monster sound affect when she appeared on scene? Of course she was one

She probably was a smoke monster and the protector. I guess the smoke monste rside drove her crazy. I can forgive her way more the smokemonste side just twists people, even through the protector side might helped.

You weirdos dont get that there isnt any good or bad thats actually the message of this show. A bad one is a good in another timeline and death cleans it up all while many depend on the purpose they believe in but after all its a decision of their souls.

Probably she was a victim too, and messing up. That is if the smoke monster just naturally takes peoples darkest sides, she probably too was driven crazy by it. Which makes her reasoning more understandable. She was crazy but , that might have been the smoke side making he rextremely paranoid. Which makes it at least understandably why she wanted to die , or pass that on. just he got all the dark and jacob all the light.

@KingInTheNorth agree tho

never underestimate a psycho bitch

It was the Egyptians. There are hieroglyphs all over the chamber where the donkey wheel is. They were also responsible for installing the cork stone in the heart of the island

Worst written scene in all of Lost lol. I always cringe every time during the "I'm special" line

Ben turned the donkey wheel at the end of Season 4. It started the whole time jumping shit. So yeah, kinda

The island moves around the globe naturally. Using this wheel does remove the user from the Island, but also forces the Island to move, and damages the Light. That's why everyone was time jumping. Locke fixed it in ancient times, but the Light was diminished as a result. When Mother shows them the Light as boys the whole mouth of the cave is light up with Light. By modern day its obviously much less bright. My assumption is after the time jumping was fixed, the Light was diminished or damaged, and Jacob has the Egyptians on the Island at the time repair it with the cork we eventually see in the Finale.

I assume he finished building it, however for some reason as the smoke monster it no longer works for him.

Jacob used it in a bunch of different places all over the island to travel through time forward and backward to meet the candidates, thats when we he started to get involved with the people who came to the island

It was completed at a later date by the Egyptians on the island, as implied by the hieroglyphs all over the Frozen Donkey Wheel chamber. Its hinted that the egyptians had a presence on the island both before and after the arrival of Jacob and his brother

Someone else found and finished it.

+CosmicUndeadElf Lost never had a lot of logical answers, but that was better than giving no answers.

Best Eevee Yeah I just meant that when you watch seasons 2-5 it seemed as though there was a scientific explanation for it all, with characters like Daniel Farady talking about electromagnetism, time travel, and all that. It's a shame that the big reveals were not more based in science fiction, rather than biblical type stuff

Drink wine/water - become Protector Logic.

ILKO Nikolov "Now you're like me" etc

+CosmicUndeadElf Yeah that was the rupture for me. Lost was exciting when you had Dr Chang explaining you how the island electromagnetism works. Then when they showed us how the monster was created, I litteraly laughed watching the episode live. Pathetic, so many possibilities, and they chose the worst way to explain it all.

Check the Wiki for the episode. Think it's B.C. before the Egyptians arrived.

Yeah from context clues its pretty obvious the Egyptian settlers of the Island knew about the Smoke Monster, so therefore Jacob and MiB would've been born and grew up before that. Then at a certain point Jacob allowed some Egyptians to find the Island, and they built the Statue, the Temple, Lighthouse, etc.

I think MiB did it after he became Smoke Monster, but since he was no longer human, he couldn't use it and stay stuck on that damned rock... looking for another way to leave

Yeah it seems like the Egyptians built the wheel, based on the Hieroglyphs seen in the chamber when Ben uses it. The Egyptians came to the Island after all this happened, and built the Temple, Statue, Lighthouse, The Cork, etc. Some of the carvings in the Tunnels and Temple make it seem like some of the Egyptians may have worshipped the Smoke Monster as one of their gods at one point, so maybe he taught them how to build it.

I think the mother was also black smoke. She went into the heart herself and that's why she told them so adamantly to never go down there. Don't see her wrecking the entire place by other means.

Special like John Locke and open to coercion.

His mother was from spain. The system was designed by the egyptians years later.

Yeh i think its just her having a hard time hiding accent

No, she was like Jacob

Sort of. I assume she had some of its powers as she was able to single handily massacre MIB's people and fill up the well all by herself.

Probably. I think she was like both Jacob's and the black smoke. Else how else did she clap all those chaps at once?

@@Mr33500 I she was like Jacob, she wouldn't kill their real mother. Obviously, she was a smoke monster.

I don't think she was the smoke monster, that was unleashed accidentally by Jacob. Being the Guardian of the Light comes with certain powers. One that we know of is the ability to set "rules" on the Island. Jacob and MiB cannot kill each other due to these rules. They say flat out that Mother "made it that way". So perhaps she used that ability to kill them all. Either by making a rule that somehow disabled them all, or imbued her with great powers temporarily.

It was a good standalone episode, the only problem was that it shouldn't have been the only one of this type. We needed one or two more Island themed flashbacks like this for some more information. I've always felt the final season should have been longer than 4 and 5 were to fit that in. Either that or significantly shorten the flash-sideways story.

I always assumed she was nuts because she had been living alone for god knows how long. It's why she thanked MiB when he killed her, she was tired of living. She killed their mother because she wanted the kids, and to be the only one to raise them, so she could raise them to take over her job, and tell them there was nothing but the Island, to ensure they wouldn't ever abandon their duty.

His gift is the ability to see and talk with the ghosts on the Island. They were the ones who whispered the secrets of how to build the wheel and other Island knowledge to him.

​@@KS-xk2so Where was this revealed?