Low Back Tweak Fast Fixes | Feat. Kelly Starrett | MobilityWOD

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9 жыл бұрын

Kelly Starrett and Jenny Labaw go over a quick template for treating the non-specific low back tweak that we all get from time to time.
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@agookchild
@agookchild 8 жыл бұрын
Hurt my back deadlifting. followed this video and felt a 'click' in my back. The hurt is gone now. Thank you
@alejandrocastillopardo7226
@alejandrocastillopardo7226 7 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Yesterday I couldn't bend my back at all, couldn't even touch my knees. Followed your advises and heard a "click", stretched the hip-flexors and the pain was gone and the mobility restored.
@DocFeelyMC
@DocFeelyMC 9 жыл бұрын
Just what the doctor ordered! Going to share with my fellow ER docs and patients alike. Empowering patients we can hopefully keep them out of the ER and off of the narcs so that they can have live a life of purpose again. What a concept! Thanks for putting this together!
@nwp4life
@nwp4life 9 жыл бұрын
So knowledgable. The advice and information in these vids is priceless.
@144Jacob
@144Jacob 8 жыл бұрын
What a blessing you are to help people. Thank you for all your good works.
@Bradlittlepl
@Bradlittlepl 9 жыл бұрын
I never dreamt this would work as well as it did. Simply wow!
@jillwachsberger371
@jillwachsberger371 6 жыл бұрын
Omg, thank you, I feel so much better. I have been dealing with this lower back issue for 25 years. Always looking for exercises and stretches I can do.
@thistleboucher
@thistleboucher 4 жыл бұрын
I found this video years ago! The information it taught me has been invaluable to me
@karenbrewer5975
@karenbrewer5975 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! This could have kept me out of the ER with my first and hopefully only back spasm about a month ago. I will do these exercises every day!
@SteveWeltman
@SteveWeltman 5 жыл бұрын
You just heard it from one of the very best in the business. Thank you Dr. Starrett. I use this technique once a month just to see if anything feels out of place, in addition to all of the rolling, stretching and mobility drills after workouts. Very glad I ‘found’ your programs.
@BartRunning
@BartRunning 5 жыл бұрын
This is so valuable. Thanks so much. First time I got injured in my lower back and pelvis. Will try this a few times from tomorow on! Thanks so much for these detailed explanations and selfhelp methods. Keep it up. You’re awesome.
@Mr_SamuelAdam
@Mr_SamuelAdam 9 жыл бұрын
When I hear "welcome back to mobility wod" brings back memories of 2011 2012 watching videos of you in your "mobility garage" :) so glad I found you Kelly Starrett
@saragreer89
@saragreer89 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this. I threw out my back on my 30th birthday and this helped me realign so I could still go out! Its It's now 6 months later and the same thing happened. It took me forever to find this video again but I've now favorited it. I'm on the mend again. Thank you so much 💗
@grltrader
@grltrader 8 жыл бұрын
OMG, I pulled my back 3 days ago and keep hurting it in my sleep... I just tried this and OMG, pain is gone.. It feels so much better. I appreciate your work!!! Thank you!
@nathan9799
@nathan9799 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Had bulging discs a few years ago and fixed them through rehab and yoga. However, today I tweaked my back again and thought I was going to be back to square one so I was feeling pretty down. I just heard a couple of pops on the left side of my hip doing your stretches and I feel back to about 90%. I’m going to take it easy the next few days but mentally I’m so relieved!! This video would’ve saved me years ago but I’m happy I found it now!
@jeg569
@jeg569 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing thank you, been holding my breath and grimacing for what seems like days, and sciatic pain down to my shin. Now I have movement and less pain.
@Remetski2401
@Remetski2401 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your generosity of spirit! God bless you!
@LenBoatman
@LenBoatman 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you Kelly! My back was hurtin for certain and I was in the pain cave. Thanks for getting me out.
@cssmanheadshot
@cssmanheadshot 9 жыл бұрын
This has saved me from so much pain I love the MWOD
@contadacarta
@contadacarta 9 жыл бұрын
Kelly Just would like to thank you. Yesterday I hurt my lower back while working out at the gym. I have a disc herniation L4L3 and know that when I hurt my back like that it means few days in bed and 1-2 weeks out of the gym. So I did on all exercises in this video. I started this morning and repeated again after lunch. What I can say is that right now I have no pain and the spams are gone (and no medicine). I will keep doing it throughout the day and hopefully I will be back on track very soon. I am also very motivated to do the 14 days mobility challenge. Thank a lot for this channel
@MikroAutoBot
@MikroAutoBot 5 жыл бұрын
Holly.. it worked! I had really bad lower back pain for 3 days and after these exercises it’s gone! Thank you, Sir!
@ArmTheCreative
@ArmTheCreative Жыл бұрын
Just watching this stretch feels good on my back. Can’t wait to try it.
@HelenDriscoll
@HelenDriscoll Жыл бұрын
I've been using this since you first posted annd want to thank you from the bottom of my spine! I've shared this video maybe 50 times, including with doc friends :)
@SeanReyes
@SeanReyes 6 жыл бұрын
So good, thanks for combining all these into a single video
@dougl1469
@dougl1469 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video and to the educated responses that complimented it.
@chewypoo
@chewypoo 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. I tweaked my lower back playing with my kiddos on the playground and came across this video. I was in a sometimes unmovable position and I'm the extreme type. I don't like to be under control so by watching this video and doing it made me feel much better...Thank you for sharing this very helpful. P.S. love the little one in the background doing exercise...Keep up little one...:)
@akilagun1
@akilagun1 9 ай бұрын
Thank you, Mr Starrett, I have been in pain for over 3 years tweaking my back doing deadlifts (170kg), and no one has been able to explain or give me correct treatment until today, watching your video. Your explanation and use of language are flawless. And your knowledge is endless. I am a fan for life 😂 Thank you & godbless 🙏
@ryancarney2546
@ryancarney2546 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much Kelly this helped me to get out pain I was in today.
@DefineStrength
@DefineStrength 9 жыл бұрын
yes indeed Kel! always enjoy the informative vids! keep em up and stay fit and strong!
@fitnessorfiction9415
@fitnessorfiction9415 5 жыл бұрын
Dr. Starrett, you're an inspiration. I love your creativity and teaching style! I missed your gym last time I was in SF but it's a definite stop next time I'm up north! What advice would you give to a budding fitness entrepreneur?
@custompilatesandyoga175
@custompilatesandyoga175 6 жыл бұрын
I'm really late to the party, but so glad I finally made it! This is such great information! I can't wait to share it.
@yehudahamaccabi9420
@yehudahamaccabi9420 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video.
@NoelCruzSings
@NoelCruzSings 9 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation and very informative! Thank you.
@bobdownie.2806
@bobdownie.2806 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for posting this Kelly, I could hardly walk yesterday afternoon, then this morning I remembered your name referred to by world renowned MMA coach Firas Zahabi. I followed this instructional and 5 minutes later I was up and about and moving like there was nothing wrong with my back. I figured out why my back was sore too……simply overworked some of the lower back muscles by doing more snatch lifts than usual, which over the next few days got progressively more tense. I released the tension and hey presto! It felt though like a slipped disc near the tailbone, thankfully this was not the case.
@jree93
@jree93 8 жыл бұрын
Holy shit. This worked for me. I got right back hip pain for a week from a heavy PR deadlift. Didnt' think this would work so I got massages (3 times) still didnt' help. Was bored today and I tried this, THAT CLUNK HURT A LITTLE, BUT THE PAIN IS GONE!!!
@Salamaleikum80
@Salamaleikum80 4 жыл бұрын
Is it back?
@anthonycockings
@anthonycockings 9 жыл бұрын
Great to have you back on KZfaq
@_jasonmulligan_
@_jasonmulligan_ 9 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Thanks for providing simple and useful tools to address low back tweaks. I'm curious what assessments you suggest after the back is out of spasm mode and the pelvic region is realigned. I also found, in addition to the ball squeeze between the knees drill, using a band around the knees to apply external pressure helps create 'space' in the low back and fosters realignment. Thanks for the knowledge sharing, Kelly, and demonstrating, Jenny.
@rosepfister4766
@rosepfister4766 Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe this worked ! Thank you!
@JamesDunne
@JamesDunne 8 жыл бұрын
Solid advice and techniques here, Kelly! I've used this myself during low back pain flare-ups and know just how powerful it is to be able to alleviate your own 'kinks' when your low back acts up. Hopefully heading to SF later in the year, so might try to get to SF Crossfit :)
@mimao51
@mimao51 7 жыл бұрын
Do you know where exactly does he place the ball when she is lying down?
@brysimms
@brysimms 8 жыл бұрын
I have had intense sciatic pain for the first time for the last month. This has instantly made my pain go away and I can walk normally. I will continue with these stretches!! Thank you!
@timr8456
@timr8456 6 ай бұрын
thanks for the comment - trying to think of 1or 2 things I can show my dad to help his sciatic low back pain too
@iLOVVVEyoukaybye
@iLOVVVEyoukaybye 9 жыл бұрын
So in other words, Muscle Energy Technique. Great video!
@brahssalamualaykum
@brahssalamualaykum 8 жыл бұрын
As an ATC we always learned to get that 'pelvic pop' prior to remedying that HS/Quad muscle imbalance that yanks the pelvis into a funky rotation. Not sure if the order matters too much since, for instance, chiros usually work on surrounding/tight musculature and THEN go for their manipulations. But, since it is an active/isometric contraction that fixes the rotation, I think it makes more sense to release the joint first with that ball squeeze or something similar.
@luckylarry88
@luckylarry88 6 жыл бұрын
The pelvis is a major part of the body that you would never think to know it could be causing problems elsewhere in your body thanks for the video guys!
@atromos
@atromos 9 жыл бұрын
You are a gift, Kelly. Keep it up!
@justinsmith7880
@justinsmith7880 3 жыл бұрын
Love everything you put out!
@knichri11
@knichri11 9 жыл бұрын
can't wait to try this!
@Mr_SamuelAdam
@Mr_SamuelAdam 9 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Kelly would love to see more updates on KZfaq please. Don't need to do once a day like the project.. But once a week? :)
@caseyedwards8818
@caseyedwards8818 9 жыл бұрын
Muscle energy techniques. Big thumbs up for this
@jazzyworkouts2973
@jazzyworkouts2973 9 жыл бұрын
This is the best ...love it!
@TheBigbass13
@TheBigbass13 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great tool.
@natealexander73
@natealexander73 9 жыл бұрын
So needed this a week ago but gonna hit this just to make sure everything is all normalized.
@MountainBikeAdventures
@MountainBikeAdventures 7 жыл бұрын
4:36 coughs in hand and touches her haha love it
@DraconianMeasures
@DraconianMeasures 4 жыл бұрын
noticed this so hard in the age of COVID
@duonganhbinh
@duonganhbinh 7 жыл бұрын
Holy crap this is magic. My pain goes away in a minute.
@sideshowlol
@sideshowlol 9 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Lots of helpful info. Thanks KStar. And that woman using the C2 Ski erg. :D
@sworthy08
@sworthy08 6 жыл бұрын
dude. I absolutely fricking love your videos. Thank you so much.
@naima99
@naima99 6 жыл бұрын
Sable Worthy hey did this help you?
@sworthy08
@sworthy08 6 жыл бұрын
totally
@richardpartin9378
@richardpartin9378 9 жыл бұрын
Great stuff man! Awesome.
@deniseyogaco921
@deniseyogaco921 4 жыл бұрын
Pure gold! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@afc5603
@afc5603 Жыл бұрын
My back seizes up a couple of times a year. I tried this last night (back seized up two day ago), and the improvement is amazing. I will keep doing this regularly, to try to avoid it seizing up in the future.
@ballagh
@ballagh 7 жыл бұрын
Tweaked lower back after doing squats this morning (my own fault, not getting great form but still pushed for last weeks weights , d'oh). Following this method has provided the first proper relief I've had all day, thank you.
@SamBarrass
@SamBarrass 7 жыл бұрын
You could also try segmental limb rolling. Almost instant relief. Good look bro, injuries SUCK!
@xboxhuegable
@xboxhuegable 7 жыл бұрын
This shit is amazing, I messed my back up squatting going on 7 months ago and haven't been 100% since. Been to 8 sessions with a chiro, lots of stretches and strengthening exercises. Nothing helped. I bought the supple leopard book and saw this in there and tried it last night. Instant fucking relief. I had constant numbness in my left foot that went right away, I actually felt weird because I was so used to being in pain and one side of my hip being higher. I don't know why this isn't a common knowledge maneuver but it should be.
@intrnlprym84evr
@intrnlprym84evr 6 жыл бұрын
Seriously helpful. Thank you.
@christopherstark6773
@christopherstark6773 9 жыл бұрын
first of all, when I tried to watch this on my phone the other day, the buffer would freeze with your face in some funny, and probably unflattering looks. Secondly, this sounds like great stuff. I always have issues with my back. I had to see a therapist earlier in the summer, and started to realize this was one of the issues that I was having. What I was given to do was similar to this, but not explained as well as this. I will try this version and see how it goes, but I think I will like it better.
@AngelicMessenger24
@AngelicMessenger24 9 жыл бұрын
This stuff is awesome!
@Nopillcaddy
@Nopillcaddy 9 жыл бұрын
I kind of kept expecting the ball to explode when she squeezed it between her knees. DEM LEGS... LOL Great vid as usual!
@seniorfitnesshq
@seniorfitnesshq 4 жыл бұрын
After about 15 months of pain in my right hip, physical therapy, chiropractic, toradol and cortisone shots, I did just the leg push/pull before bed last night: the pain is gone almost completely.
@oscarhollywood
@oscarhollywood 3 жыл бұрын
how does it feel now being 4months on?
@cwhite717
@cwhite717 7 жыл бұрын
GREAT STUFF! THANK YOU!
@johnmalone8666
@johnmalone8666 8 жыл бұрын
Have some pretty gnarly lower back pain from a competition a couple days ago. Caught low on a 255 clean. Immediately felt a sharp pain in lower back. It's kind of hard to stand straight, I'm kind of bending forward at the hip slightly. I'll try this out hopefully it works!
@marcellusmatthijs
@marcellusmatthijs 9 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@desleighfisher980
@desleighfisher980 3 жыл бұрын
Ouch back was hurting (without any deadlifting or heavy squats) this really helped.
@benwalker7218
@benwalker7218 8 жыл бұрын
lol I just relieved my right SI pain with that push pull technique. cant believe it was so easy.
@GrowthGuided
@GrowthGuided 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Thank you
@otto2neil
@otto2neil 9 жыл бұрын
This is perfect! Helped me a treat with my back.... apreciate all ur hard work Mr Leopard!
@simonheywood1286
@simonheywood1286 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks 4 sharing my brotha
@brandonleesanders
@brandonleesanders 5 жыл бұрын
Tried This... Heard A Click... No More Pain 😌👌🏽
@qweenbee817
@qweenbee817 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you !!!
@edgarchavez9037
@edgarchavez9037 9 жыл бұрын
God damn it kelly... Thank you!!!
@ptchristanMTB
@ptchristanMTB 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@talltomboynyc
@talltomboynyc 6 жыл бұрын
OMG Thank you!!!!
@ColinDeWaay
@ColinDeWaay 9 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@vaiona5156
@vaiona5156 5 жыл бұрын
THE BEST!!!
@Suiken44
@Suiken44 6 жыл бұрын
This absolutely provides relief to me for lower back pain and spasms? I have SI joint and L5-S1/ L5-L4 bulges, and this is a nice fix for the pain. How often is it ok to do this?
@LifeHacksToABetterFuture
@LifeHacksToABetterFuture 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Just popped my pelvis back into place. Good to go lol
@lilyblythe1747
@lilyblythe1747 2 жыл бұрын
Life saving thank you
@DJOBeirne--vitalityon
@DJOBeirne--vitalityon 9 жыл бұрын
Great info. best from Spain
@doityourselfdave
@doityourselfdave 8 жыл бұрын
Glad I watched this. I didn't have an 'oh shit' moment with my back, but there was something up after my workout. When I put the ball in between my knees and squeezed, I heard the click. Feel loads better. Thanks
@MAMP
@MAMP 4 жыл бұрын
The little girl playing in the background is comical :)
@moosejohnson9431
@moosejohnson9431 9 жыл бұрын
Kelly Starrett YOU DA BOMB!
@PAORB156
@PAORB156 8 жыл бұрын
I had a tweaked back 8 weeks ago! I don't have a disc herniation, a fracture or neurological problems. The doctor describes it as general lower back pain but it won't subside. I don't have a full ROM of flexion without pain and i am definitely tight in the area mostly for fear of hurting. I tried the video suggestions for the first time just now. It feels much better... I will update this post as to whether it helped long term Thank you anyway MWOD
@LaserrSharp
@LaserrSharp 8 жыл бұрын
+PAORB156 did it help long term? Which exercise helped the most?
@PAORB156
@PAORB156 8 жыл бұрын
+Louis O. It turned out i have spinal stenosis O4-O5 and O5-L1. These didn't help but what my doctor prescribed helped and i am pain free most of the time which is a mircale So, 1) Ab crunches but don't stand up too much alternated with bicycle crunches (in the same position=lying down on your back. You should make sure at all times that your back does NOT move. Do 3-4 sets x20 reps 2) lie on your stomach and raise left hand/right leg and then right hand/left leg for x30 reps 5-6 sets. 3) For stretching do the cobra and frog pose (search google) I do these everyday 2gether with my regular training (no more barbell squats/deadlifts,standing row for me though). If i don't do them for several days then i start having very minor pain, so basically it's a routine i use as a warmup before any sports activity This only applies to my specific condition, so good luck
@LaserrSharp
@LaserrSharp 8 жыл бұрын
+PAORB156 I've done some research and find that inversion tables have helped many. Check them out. I also found some testimonials on reddit. Just plug the following in after the dot com and it should take you to it. /r/Sciatica/comments/3fjtmi/i_think_this_100_inversion_table_saved_my_life/
@jcairo357
@jcairo357 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks god for KS!
@dinolarsson
@dinolarsson 9 жыл бұрын
Still a better love story than Twilight. No but seriously, great video!
@whatdupdoh
@whatdupdoh 9 жыл бұрын
6:55 Elliot Hulse
@TheChiconspiracy
@TheChiconspiracy 9 жыл бұрын
Lol. Just needs the yelling to get out the "negative energy"
@dexistence19
@dexistence19 6 жыл бұрын
Realistikk513 hahahahaha
@KarlGraymi
@KarlGraymi 8 жыл бұрын
Labawesome!!!
@icelassi36
@icelassi36 8 жыл бұрын
Kelly... You're the Man!!! After some deadlifts at my class this morning my back was a bit tight but now it's all good. I performed this drill 4 sets with 10 reps and now more relaxed. 👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿
@heresayiams9956
@heresayiams9956 7 жыл бұрын
She sure is manly!
@JeremyRemele
@JeremyRemele 7 жыл бұрын
Your back is supposed to be tight... Deadlifts primarily work your back. My back is literally tight to some degree all year long, 24/7 from Powerlifting.
@JeremyRemele
@JeremyRemele 7 жыл бұрын
***** How intelligent.
@joe6576
@joe6576 5 жыл бұрын
Whoa did that seriously just help? Tweaked my back about 8 hours ago on a squat. Found this video and tried two times each leg and then squeezed some toilet paper. Small pop when I got up. Feels more comfortable already
@moleyboy9650
@moleyboy9650 8 жыл бұрын
hey, i've been trying this and its been helping, i saw on line to use a stick across both legs to maintain the alignment on both sides when pushing and pulling, is that okay to use? how many times on each side, as my right pelvic side is forward? i have a twisted allignment in back and the left side won't activate correctly, and the right side is too activated if that makes sense, would the ball exercise's help all of that? Many thanks
@43Steelerss
@43Steelerss 4 жыл бұрын
what about an old untreat low back tweak done years ago? would do you the same thing? no matter how long and often I foam roll, stretch or mobilize (with the green band) my right hip flexor, it's so glued and in spasms. if I move hip upward it clunks, and my knee is stucked in. my right glute doesn't work.
@kalebzerihun598
@kalebzerihun598 7 ай бұрын
Very informative, where can i buy your expert recommended stools?
@MrMattias87
@MrMattias87 7 жыл бұрын
He's really checking her out ;)
@jasonporr
@jasonporr 9 жыл бұрын
While I do like the techniques taught to help to relieve the patients pain I would have to argue that the current body of research on low back pain would not support the explanation for what is occurring during an acute onset of low back pain. The way it is described in the above video would lead the viewer to believe that there is in fact a joint that has come out of place and shifted positions in some manner. In particular it seems that you are trying to discuss the sacroiliac joint which in the research has only been shown to move less than 1 degree which would not be possible to pick up clinically. What the research does seem to support is the idea that when we get these acute onsets of pain there is an irritation of the joint itself, particularly the synovial lining of the joint, which the body in return tries to protect us from by causing spasm in the musculature around that joint in an attempt to limit movement. As a result this spasm may lead to the appearance that one anatomical land mark may be higher than another, however this is due to muscular contraction, not a joint being out of place or out of alignment. Further more when we do various forms of muscle work and see improvements it is likely not due to an improvement of joint position, rather a relaxation of the local musculature that is in spasm. As for hearing a clunk or pop or what is technically termed a cavitation during corrective movements that are typically utilized by various manual therapists, we are not seeing a repositioning of a joint, we are simply seeing slight movement being imparted into the joint that leads to a release of gas from the fluid that is held inside of the joint. Research has shown that this form of joint manipulation can help to decrease pain resulting from joint a joint and has also been snow in EMG studies to cause a relaxation effect in musculature surrounding the joint that has been manipulated. It is important that as health care practitioners and manual therapists that we are careful with the way that we describe the mechanisms behind injury to the public, particularly in public forums, and to do so in a way that is consistent with what we are seeing within the literature.
@shannon1664
@shannon1664 9 жыл бұрын
I fail to see the problem. If you mean we should never try to address our own pain issues because a medical professional should do it, your statement makes sense. And when Dr. Starrett gives rather benign movements that can reduce pain in a large number of cases from remarkably safe positions, it concerns me you would take issue with it. I'm looking forward with great anticipation to seeing your videos, since, evidently, you are academically, scientifically and clinically in a higher place than Dr. Starrett. You know, the Dr. Starrett who has given hundreds of thousands of people fantastic ways to improve their quality of life.
@Sawacidale
@Sawacidale 9 жыл бұрын
shannon1664 The advise to relieve pain sound, the explanation for why they are in pain is not. And these are not new clinical concepts. Joints don't go "out of place" and can't be put "back in place".
@thomasseibold4055
@thomasseibold4055 8 жыл бұрын
+Jason Porr I appreciate the distinction that you make here regarding what is happening in the joints. As I watched the first technique, I wondered exactly what was meant by "repositioning the pelvis." I appreciate Kelly's efforts equip viewers for self-help, but precision of language is an important part of the educational process.
@od4407
@od4407 5 жыл бұрын
Stfu
@thomasduffy6904
@thomasduffy6904 5 жыл бұрын
If it works it works. And that’s it
@dtheopha
@dtheopha 9 жыл бұрын
thanks for this. can you do one for prevention of getting spasms in the first place. thanks
@shannon1664
@shannon1664 9 жыл бұрын
I'm no Dr. Starrett, but I can supply a few guidelines. 1) After your warmup (that means you're sweating), mobilize the hip and pelvis. Deep lunges, the pigeon, upward dog, downward dog etc etc. Don't move into pain, just nice slow movements into stretch. 2) Find when the pain is worsened and see what you did before that. Sitting down all day is even worse than helping Aunt Mabel and Uncle Skeeter move their 2 ton card table down four flights of stairs, so it's not necessarily movement. 3) After workouts, mobilize the hip again before you cool off. When stretching, before and after the workout, long slow breaths with long duration stretches. Spend time in that good position and the pelvis will become more functional, typically leading to reduction then, hopefully, termination of the spasms. Good luck and be well.
@dtheopha
@dtheopha 9 жыл бұрын
shannon1664 thanks. the pigeon feels pretty effective. as for #2 - almost anything - too much sitting, too mch standing and almost any squatting exercises will tighten up my back to the point where it's ready to spasm
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