LOW BUCK, JUNKYARD 454 BBC BATTLE-GEN 5 vs GEN 6

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Richard Holdener

Richard Holdener

3 жыл бұрын

TBI VS TPI, CARB VS CARB, 230 HP VS 290 HP-WHO WINS? WHAT IS THE BEST CHOICE FOR A JUNKYARD BBC BUILD UP? CAN THE GEN 5, TBI 454 MAKE POWER? CAN IT MAKE GEN 6 454 POWER? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU UPGRADE EACH WITH A CAM? CAN YOU REALLY GO WRONG WHEN YOU START WITH 454 CUBIC INCHES OF ANY MOTOR? THIS VIDEO HAS IT ALL, SO CHECK IT OUT!

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@streetratgarage
@streetratgarage 3 жыл бұрын
Where is this magic junk yard with all the bbc engines? We don’t get that in the Midwest
@trentneal4472
@trentneal4472 3 жыл бұрын
Just picked up a gen6 454 for $300. Still plenty of good deals here in Ga.
@goldie_box2904
@goldie_box2904 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t find them in Virginia 😞😞😞
@Phil-rs5wl
@Phil-rs5wl 3 жыл бұрын
I see them all the time in the pull-a-part yards here in Michigan
@streetratgarage
@streetratgarage 3 жыл бұрын
@@Phil-rs5wl Well, I live in central Indiana. Maybe I need to bring my trailer up there and load up. If you can find one around here it will cost you about $1000
@trentneal4472
@trentneal4472 3 жыл бұрын
When they did the cash for clunkers program, they put block filler in the engine's, and crushed the cars.
@omarghazzy
@omarghazzy 3 жыл бұрын
So ultimately a Gen 6 with some head porting an slightly more compression and that same 274 roller cam should be a screaming runner, almost 500hp and tons of torque
@tomwhite9034
@tomwhite9034 3 жыл бұрын
I love the enthusiasm and excitement from your voice it's so encouraging
@Dr_Xyzt
@Dr_Xyzt 3 жыл бұрын
So, the moral of the story is, the gen 5 would be a perfect platform to turn into a 496 with some AFR 265 heads. Apply boost as-needed until either your block cracks, or your lips crack from all the smiling.
@bradenmolloy7443
@bradenmolloy7443 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video and endless knowledge we appreciate all you do for us 👍 thanks for sharing
@stephenmitchell3569
@stephenmitchell3569 Жыл бұрын
Thank You for Sharing to update my 1980s head choices!
@DNOFHD666
@DNOFHD666 Жыл бұрын
Real Master in 454 Ireally learn alot from you videos i am build my 1983 gmc 454 engine i really see alot of info that i learn from your videos worth alot thanks Richard Holdene
@jayallen408
@jayallen408 3 жыл бұрын
We’ve learned they both need BOOST😉
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@andrewfree6334
@andrewfree6334 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed me and my buddy just helped his step dad twin turbo his 87 gmc c10 454 I wanna know how much power he's pushing on 10 pounds
@mikestoms4015
@mikestoms4015 3 жыл бұрын
Nitrous
@jayallen408
@jayallen408 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewfree6334 Absolutely do! My cousin and I are doing the same thing to his 89 GMC 3500 long bed straight side
@scottnangle246
@scottnangle246 3 жыл бұрын
Like real power! I'll leave my hair dryer in the bathroom and enjoy reliability over destruction
@scoutdogfsr
@scoutdogfsr 3 жыл бұрын
Love the big block. I would like to see a 396/402 in basic stock then bump it up a bit. The 402 just might be the least expensive in the low deck BB.
@ShadowsOfGames
@ShadowsOfGames 3 жыл бұрын
Buddy of mine has a 454 SS pickup, he's putting on oval port heads and a cam/springs, but is sticking with the factory intake and throttle body system. I'll have to show him this video to try to change his mind on it, this really shows how much that intake is holding back the stock Gen 5 motors, and the problem will get only worse as the rest of the motor gets better.
@shadowopsairman1583
@shadowopsairman1583 3 жыл бұрын
There are tbi mods that can be done.
@farcry0018
@farcry0018 3 жыл бұрын
Considering that a intake swap and carb is going to be the least expensive parts in comparison.. its kind of a no brainer, heads can only breath as much as the intake allows. If he wants to keep a throttle body on it, the sniper EFI system is pretty slick.
@AdmiralRustyShackleford
@AdmiralRustyShackleford 3 жыл бұрын
@@shadowopsairman1583 @ShadowOps Airman1 Mods to the stock TBI parts help, but they'll still hold back an engine with upgraded heads and cam. A self-tuning TBI system like FiTech on a standard single plane intake will make much more power. Stock TBI isn't really ideal, even with that Comp 256H cam. It's simple and will never leave you stranded(I'd rather have TBI over messing with a carb any day), but not the best for power. This gen 5 engine with that cam, headers/exhaust and FiTech would be great for a street/work truck, I'd like to have that combo in a 73/74 C10 with an OD manual.
@clintonmaurer5758
@clintonmaurer5758 3 жыл бұрын
They would make good daily's in a 3/4 ton truck... Low buck that's for sure Great Video
@wayneireland4802
@wayneireland4802 3 жыл бұрын
Hi from Australia love ya work .
@mavsformulaful
@mavsformulaful 3 жыл бұрын
Prediction- Awesome vid!
@simpledj509chromo7
@simpledj509chromo7 Жыл бұрын
This is good info. Thanks for the video. My renter has a gen 5 454 with at least 350k and probably closer to 500k, as the odometer broke at 350k about 20 years ago. The old girl has a bad fuel pump and the trans has wiring issues but she runs good considering how many miles this truck has on it. I want to do something with the truck, but money and time is making something like a rebuild tough. We'll get around to it someday. It's a sentimental truck for him so we do need to get it back on the road but she's tired with an estimated 500k.
@crlsx6038
@crlsx6038 3 жыл бұрын
Finally some big block content
@robertyork6815
@robertyork6815 3 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 454... how would I tell which 454 it is and it got they feel injection intake on it just like the one you showed in the picture... and I love how you explain and break all your work down that helped a lot thank you❤️💪🏾💯
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
if it has the EFI I showed-that is from a Gen 6 (also look at the front cover-if it is plastic-its gen 6)
@UcantBeSerious03
@UcantBeSerious03 3 жыл бұрын
I smashed the link button - great to see Big Blocks again!!
@shadowopsairman1583
@shadowopsairman1583 3 жыл бұрын
Gen 6/7 BBC are more like the LS than Mark1-Gen5. Gen5 454 is like the Tbi 350/305. They can handle Super and Turbo Charging
@hambone7777777
@hambone7777777 3 жыл бұрын
That's good stuff. From the Summit Racing site I also learned that they still have 496 long blocks making 575hp, with alloy heads. And I've seen 610hp/665tq combos elsewhere, that would do wonders for a 2500 Suburban LT...Or add boost to your 370hp version, for better efficiency climbing mtn. passes.
@mavsformulaful
@mavsformulaful 3 жыл бұрын
You tricky ol man! I was thinking LS5 and LS6 until i saw the engine cover and TBI... Tricky, lets see that throw down w mild mods. I know its very cost prohibitive
@Blakep7704
@Blakep7704 3 жыл бұрын
With the gen 5 and a tbi would a vortec head, intake swap and cam work with the stock tbi and make for a good tow rig? Would the tbi even run this setup? Not interested in high RPM just looking for a torque towing rig.
@dbjunior1238
@dbjunior1238 3 жыл бұрын
Id like to build an l21 swap heads, cam and intake plus do pistons with valve relief so you can run a monster cam. The l21 already has forged lowered just needs pistons to be beast. Push it to around 700hp na then add boost. Keep a 4l80 behind it and swap the converter. Should make lots of clouds on the street.
@julianwilliams4791
@julianwilliams4791 2 жыл бұрын
I want to do this with my k2500 motor swap. I think the 6.5 turbo diesel factory torque convertor is like a 3400 rmp stall so I've been told
@shaynestates199
@shaynestates199 3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if you could do a video on comparing 6.0ls to 454 na. I have seen the 4.8 vs the world video. I have a C10 and I'm trying to decide between the 454 or 6.0 I have both setting on engine stands. I have looked there's very little videos comparing bbc to ls. Keep up the good work the Engine Info is why I used to read the magazines.
@fehlrock
@fehlrock Жыл бұрын
I wonder what the best MPG of all these combo's would get ?
@foxbody2733
@foxbody2733 3 жыл бұрын
Why don't you do a dodge 318 and 360 shootout or big bang motors
@RatMaro
@RatMaro 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Richard! I have a Gen 5 454 with a Whipple supercharger on the factory TBI intake (Very weird setup that was apparently dealer installed on my 1995 suburban). Got the entire vehicle for $900 with intent to swap the engine over to my 72 Camaro. What do you think I should do with the engine? I want to make more power but the supercharger works with the stock TBI. Not sure if I'd make more power just putting an intake and carb on it, or keeping the supercharger.
@blokeinacloak748
@blokeinacloak748 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Richard. Question: the Weiand inlet manifold used on the Gen V, was it the street warrior part #8122 specifically for peanut port heads. Or was it a large oval port manifold?
@bernardpowell1425
@bernardpowell1425 3 жыл бұрын
Nice upgrade to the big block I'm doing something similar also with another 454 a gen 5 I'm installing a comp hydraulic roller Bootlegger cam with a set of early closed chamber oval Port heads that have been machine for the larger valves and better Springs to match the cam my plan down the road is to put it inside of my 78 Buick Regal with two turbos cruise around on the street daily driver as you seen with the other projects in my shop that I'm doing LOL I'll send you some pictures
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
GOOD LUCK
@Samuel_el_toro
@Samuel_el_toro 2 жыл бұрын
Pick your part junkyards in California back in the 90s thru 2010s was very hard to find Chevy big blocks in anything! I remember the yards would have written on the windshield “pull BB engine” to be sold separately. That is if you could find them! But that has changed. I see gen V and gen Vi often now GMT400 pickups
@shadowopsairman1583
@shadowopsairman1583 3 жыл бұрын
The Gen 5 454 fuel pressure regulator on the tbi needs to be changed and adjusted, if there are AM 454 FI for the TBI change them, and port flow and valve job the gen 5 heads. You can always switch to a roller cam, solid roller tappet/lifters or even hydraulic tappets, roller rockers. Or change the stock heads to AM, or switch to TPI. Also if using the 1987-1995 ECM/PCM replace the eeprom with a superchip.
@juballarue6290
@juballarue6290 3 жыл бұрын
Nice truck / towing combo with that gen vi . any recommendations for getting more power out of the stock TPI with that cam/header combo ?
@robtdougherty
@robtdougherty 3 жыл бұрын
Was that the Weiand street warrior 8122 manifold for peanut port heads? have one on the shelf waiting to go on my 330hp marine 454, cant wait to get rid of the low rise iron piece
@fbrow16
@fbrow16 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the tbi 454 on a dyno. I have a 1995 3500 HD. 10 lug rollback tow truck with this engine. The 454 is very weak even when running empty. Really considering a carb and intake maybe same small cam you ran on this Gen 5 combo
@junechris
@junechris 3 жыл бұрын
I was really wanting to put the 2015 or so Buick regal 4 popper turbo in my 1995 Saturn SL2. 259 HP 295 TQ ecotech, can always up the boost a little bit, has terrific torque and decent power for it's size. My suspension is already upgraded and lowered and wanted to also add a set of RPF1 Enkei's which will save me another 4 lbs a wheel also, would be very quick with that plastic body and I got a Seibon carbon fiber hood on it too. Maybe some carbon fiber seats as well? Buick is a great car, love your show man!!!
@andyharman3022
@andyharman3022 3 жыл бұрын
I've been looking for a Buick Verano Turbo with a 6-speed manual trans. Very rare.
@xmo552
@xmo552 3 жыл бұрын
Idk about the 4 cyl Buick but those 3.8 supercharged are nice 😉👌
@junechris
@junechris 3 жыл бұрын
@@xmo552 Yeah, they are both good engines, the 3.8L V6 is obviously more potential but the ecotech Buick 4cyl turbo is the same as in the SS Cobalt and can still handle up to 400 HP without any modification to the internals, etc.
@xmo552
@xmo552 3 жыл бұрын
@@junechris Oh I wasn't thinking.....yeah those EcoBoost can hurt Honda feelings. I remember when it debut someone ran one at Bonneville.
@junechris
@junechris 3 жыл бұрын
@@xmo552 Duratech, Ecotech both great
@johnnyboyssite
@johnnyboyssite 3 жыл бұрын
any chance you can find and run a Mark IV and see how much power you can get out of it with flat tops?
@richardedwards8648
@richardedwards8648 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a gen vi with cam and torqstorm. Been thinking about that combo for my 58 c60
@rickymosman6947
@rickymosman6947 3 жыл бұрын
I NEVER comment. But these big block junkyard videos are CRACK to me! I want/need more! Also have you done the Big Bang yet on the stock bottom end gen 6 yet!? I know in another video you had said it was in line but that was some time ago. Love your videos. From one Richard to another, thanks!
@BlakeBarrett
@BlakeBarrett 2 жыл бұрын
So the first comparison is really the same block with an updated head/cam combo. Are there any differences in short block between the two?
@johnsoll7422
@johnsoll7422 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 89 crew cab one tow chevy. Planning on installing a gear venders and doing a cam and maybe even a gen6 head swap. What would be a too low of a cruising rpm with 12k lb trailer behind. I’d love to see 2200 rpm at cruise
@crlsx6038
@crlsx6038 3 жыл бұрын
Love the 454ss trucks from the 90s
@scottmanuel5418
@scottmanuel5418 3 жыл бұрын
I started out with factory TBI & computer years ago before aftermarket tbi injection kits were economical. Ported factory tbi, thinner blades, higher fuel regulator spring, 454ss injectors on an RPM intake with a tbi adapter, Patriot heads, and an XE268 cam, which was about the most duration we could tune the factory computer (burning a chip). It would have been way cheaper and much less limited if they offered Fitech or sniper kits back then. Needless to say I went with a carburetor after the freshen up! Great videos BTW!
@marthamryglod291
@marthamryglod291 2 жыл бұрын
What would you recommend for a gen 5 tow vehicle just to improve day to day performance?
@matthewdupuis232
@matthewdupuis232 3 жыл бұрын
Two possibly non-related tests for you to consider, Richard: first: is it the 2 barrel carb or the manifold that costs horsepower? Pop a 2bbl on a good dual plane and see what happens. Second: how much do carbs actually flow? Is a 750 a 750, is a 600 a 600? How does a 500 CFM 2bbl compare to a 600 4bbl under the same condition on a flow bench? How does this all relate to power?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
I'M TESTING THE CARBS DOWN AT WESTECH
@rustysausage69
@rustysausage69 3 жыл бұрын
2bbl kills the power no question. Doesn't matter howbig your lungs are, you won't be able to take a deep breath with your teeth clenched as quickly as you would if your mouth was wide open. Engine masters did a test on 650 vs 750 vs 850 CFM carbs ALONG with actual CFM of flow. To keep it short, all 3 carburetors on an identical engine will flow roughly the same amount of air (was roughly 30CFM difference between the 650 and 850 on a 383 chevy), but the bigger carburetor will lose drivability and horsepower pretty much everywhere (slight, between 2 and 5 numbers) on an engine that doesn't need it because it doesn't have enough much vacuum signal to spray fuel out the boosters.
@devonosborne2512
@devonosborne2512 2 жыл бұрын
I’d like to see a video on the L21 with the factory injection in place, maybe a guy wants to keep fuel injection but make a little more power without changing up to much? Edelbrock heads? Cam? Intake porting? Or?
@anthonyl8755
@anthonyl8755 3 жыл бұрын
We need that Big Bang gen6 bbc I got a sbe gen 6 454 and 107mm promod turbo on the shelf !
@russelljackson7034
@russelljackson7034 3 жыл бұрын
Right on
@chucksorrell4651
@chucksorrell4651 3 жыл бұрын
I know some have mentioned it in reference to the 8.1L I was wondering if you have seen anything notable as far as aftermarket parts sine the new aftermarket 8.1L out now. How would it hold up against a 454 or a LS small block?.... 8.1L boosted to blow its guts out would be something I'm sure no one would want to see. Lol
@75zl1
@75zl1 3 жыл бұрын
The 8.1 isn't really that good of an engine. Sure stock it is great but performance wise it sucks
@justinpecor7202
@justinpecor7202 3 жыл бұрын
Curious what your final timing came out to on the gen 6 with stock cam for optimal performance
@Arthagnou
@Arthagnou 3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see what a Low lift high Duration cam's results look like then compare another cam (or 2) that have the same Duration, Same LSA but highter lift on a stock style cam (not a radical ramp and a flat peak).. I havea 96 Viper with a factory cam (107 LSA I believe) and thus alot of overlap....I am looking into changing the LSA to 115 and running more duration so as to keep the stock sounding idle.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
A STOCK VIPER CAM HAS NO OVERLAP
@UcantBeSerious03
@UcantBeSerious03 Жыл бұрын
@Richard Holdener Will a Gen 5 flywheel work on a Gen 6? The factory gen6 has a very narrow contact for a clutch contact. The gen5 has a wide machined surface. Thanks for your insight.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 Жыл бұрын
gen 5 and gen 6 have different balance weights
@UcantBeSerious03
@UcantBeSerious03 Жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 I figured if anyone would know it would be you! Thanks for the input!!
@mikefox546
@mikefox546 3 жыл бұрын
you have to do a 4.2l trailblazer motor bigbang
@shoes121255
@shoes121255 3 жыл бұрын
Yesssss
@keelangerken5154
@keelangerken5154 3 жыл бұрын
The American Barra
@mikefox546
@mikefox546 3 жыл бұрын
@@keelangerken5154 yup
@Handlehandlebars
@Handlehandlebars 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Richard love the content!! You've made me decide to run the 276 hr cam in l29 equipped chapparel boat!! Could u please tell me the part numbers for the beehive springs and keepers and rotator eliminator please
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
THAT COMBO DOESN'T WORK WELL
@Handlehandlebars
@Handlehandlebars 2 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 the prob with most mild marine cams I'm looking at with the duration I want have over 510 lift.... I'm confused why a mild cam like this with almost no power loss down low would make this a bad combo....it will be carburated with a dry exhaust
@Handlehandlebars
@Handlehandlebars 2 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 it's actually almost identical to an upgraded marine cam for a magnuim 454 except less lift
@gregklubek6016
@gregklubek6016 Жыл бұрын
Hey sir I appreciate your channel…I have a 2000 gen6 454. I want to put on cam heads and headers, stock intake. Can you suggest a cam and head combo for me? I do tow. Tia
@scottm7341
@scottm7341 3 жыл бұрын
Does a conventional bbc oval port intake like an Edelbrock Performer, fit right onto the gen 6?
@peterklotter7298
@peterklotter7298 3 жыл бұрын
What do you consider a good price for a junkyard gen 454. Considering replacing my 396 I. My SS 396 68 Impala with either a 454 or 502. Trying to keep it looking stock but looking for at least another 150 hp over the 396. Or would you just build the 396 to get more power.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
BIGGER IS BETTER-396 IS DIFFERENT-ALSO COOL
@jesusisreal3209
@jesusisreal3209 3 жыл бұрын
I think u meant 381hp not 281hp for the gen 5 cam upgrade
@lawrenceterry1717
@lawrenceterry1717 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the samething. The gen v made less with a cam swap?🤣
@thomasward4505
@thomasward4505 3 жыл бұрын
Please do a 440 with Cam modern cylinder heads and decent compression
@karllangbehn6178
@karllangbehn6178 3 жыл бұрын
Richard. Question. I have a Gen V 454 and going to use 336781 heads. Should I use a Gen 5 head gasket? I heard stories of even the head bolts not lining up. Can you clear this up? Thank you.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure on that-have to do some research
@MrScottt28
@MrScottt28 3 жыл бұрын
Intro music rocks!
@gearhead1234
@gearhead1234 3 жыл бұрын
How about plopping gen 6 heads on a gen 5, since that’s about the only low buck head upgrade. Keep up the good work! 🍻
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
I did that
@Arthagnou
@Arthagnou 3 жыл бұрын
What is the Biggest 1 BBL carb you could modify, and how big of a motor could that run on?
@xmo552
@xmo552 3 жыл бұрын
Umm
@stephenforshaw5493
@stephenforshaw5493 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is an older video but could you please explain the process and requirements to make more power with the gen 5. I am getting so many conflicting results trying to research how to cam swap and what's compatible and how to swap gen 6 heads on the gen v and stuff like that. How much lift can I use, can i use hydraulic roller tappets? What heads can I use?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
YOUR LIMIT IS THE TBI
@jeffcolt9185
@jeffcolt9185 3 жыл бұрын
Run the TBI 454 ON THE DYNO, NO 4 BBL AND NO HEADERS
@scottbrooklyn2995
@scottbrooklyn2995 3 жыл бұрын
I got an idea for a killer test. Why not run that 372 with a bunch of old intakes? We all have old intake manifolds hanging around. I personally have a had a Torker and I have a c3bx.
@markbunn8576
@markbunn8576 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'd like to see a torker intake compared to other intakes. I have to run one due to hood clearance.
@rooster68able
@rooster68able 3 жыл бұрын
Richard please tell us what optimum timing is on gen 6 🙏 i hear anywere from 8 intial 29 total to 14 intial 36 total????. This is of courses with carb hei distributor cam headers Thanks justin
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
ours made best power at 29
@xmo552
@xmo552 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 How do guys tune with a vacuum gauge and tach? When I've tried it... I end up putting the tools away and I get better results with the butt dump, but I feel I may be leaving some on the table.
@toddbowser9415
@toddbowser9415 3 ай бұрын
Richard,got a question. Does OBD1 recognize compression? Thinking about putting a set of Edlebrock TBI heads with 110cc combustion chamber heads. Will this mess with the ECM?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 ай бұрын
it does not-nor does any factory ECU-there are not cylinder pressure sensors. It might recognize a change in airflow (MAF) or AF ratio from the change in compression
@Lilanddad
@Lilanddad 3 жыл бұрын
What is the intake manifold to carb swap a gen 5 motor?
@aricgomez7235
@aricgomez7235 3 жыл бұрын
I'm building a gen 5 454 I'm installing tg e gen 6 heads. WHAT'S THE BEST CAM 276 or 282 xtream energy cams. I'll be upgrading my springs as well ..
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
i LIKE THE 276
@rizzoid
@rizzoid 3 жыл бұрын
Have you considered using OBS to record your webcam so you can get rid of the watermark from the other software?
@andy347495
@andy347495 2 жыл бұрын
Richard, I wonder how close the gen 5 would be to the gen 6 if you used the same cam that was in the gen 6 in the gen 5. The gen 6 had 204/209 duration at .050 and .480/.483 lift with 118 LSA compared to 193/203 duration with .398/.430 lift and 112 LSA on the gen 5. There is about a 35 horse difference, I would guess the compression difference is worth about 20 horse. I would think the peak hp was moved up in the rpm's with the gen 6 cam. That makes me curious on what that cam would do in a gen 5. If you move the gen 5 torque numbers up 300 rpm witch would match where the gen 6 makes peak hp. If my guestinations are correct, that would add about 20 horse. So wherein lies the gains of the gen 6 over the gen 5? Something tells me the head flow doesn't have much to do with it. Stein Weiss's web page would suggest that further too. 🤔 I wish I had a dyno.
@donksdunks1745
@donksdunks1745 2 жыл бұрын
Have a Gen 5 with oval port 118 open chambers any suggestions for cam w/o piston to valve clearance.. I want the biggest cam I can go🥴No roller stuff 😂
@moneyandmuscle400
@moneyandmuscle400 Жыл бұрын
What roller rockers clear those valve covers
@SawmillerSmith
@SawmillerSmith 3 жыл бұрын
I was just looking at a 1999 chevy truck with a 454.
@cargotoolshop5319
@cargotoolshop5319 2 жыл бұрын
We had a gen4 454 in a motorhome and I Know a 383 could easily out power that engine, that's my guess, gen 4 366 has a forged crank and nice rods, and oval port heads, add that to your 454 to build a 427 with
@juanlanda2441
@juanlanda2441 3 ай бұрын
Does the gen 6 have bigger ports (better heads) ? And is the gen 6 the one with tall deck .? What years were the gen 6 available?. Basically they both need more cubes and more compression and better heads and better cam . Possibly forged internals. Etc
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 ай бұрын
gen 6 is 1996-2000, bigger than peanut ports, smaller chamber and hyd roller cams
@jamesparkhill9869
@jamesparkhill9869 3 ай бұрын
Richard can I run a XR271HR-12 In a stock bottom end gen 6 454
@cammontreuil7509
@cammontreuil7509 23 күн бұрын
I rescued a gen 4 out of the wrecking yard. Rebuilt it. Which i never messed with it. Nobody wants it.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 23 күн бұрын
Mark 4 BBC is good
@Arthagnou
@Arthagnou 3 жыл бұрын
has anyone developed a cam lobe where the Ramp up to the peak (from the base) was different than the ramp down to the base circle?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
YES-PEOPLE CHANGE OPENING AND CLOSING RAMP RATES ALL THE TIME
@oriancunningham
@oriancunningham 2 жыл бұрын
Sweet, I have a 6th gen laying around.
@ilovedrifting13
@ilovedrifting13 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do one with a gen 4 tryna see what I can do for mine
@AdmiralRustyShackleford
@AdmiralRustyShackleford 3 жыл бұрын
Not that much different than the gen 5 (performance-wise), aside from carb vs TBI, if you're talking about a truck 454.
@johnnybailey3446
@johnnybailey3446 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see this done with the Holley efi sniper. Really cheap fuel injection that will support 650hp. IDK it's a thought
@AB-80X
@AB-80X 2 жыл бұрын
I don't get the Sniper. I've tuned 7 different system at this point. That thing about them being self-learning is bogus. Sure they do that, but they are incredibly dump apparently. All I've seen and tuned, had parameters that would inevitably hurt the engine. TB injection is fine, but don't for one second think that you don't need a proper tune from either the rollers or the road by someone who can map. The maps they store are absolute garbage.
@jessanderson6707
@jessanderson6707 Жыл бұрын
When adding a higher lift cam (.500+ lift) to the gen 5, do you run into valve guide to spring retainer clearance issues?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 Жыл бұрын
YES
@lanebenally3843
@lanebenally3843 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone know where I can find similar headers to the ones he use?
@Christian-lf6iy
@Christian-lf6iy 3 жыл бұрын
summit racing
@HK-qj4im
@HK-qj4im 11 ай бұрын
What are the years for the generations?
@marcusking9078
@marcusking9078 3 жыл бұрын
HELP I need to find an Edelbrock 79-555 aluminun big block chevy head !
@raiderlouie6190
@raiderlouie6190 2 жыл бұрын
I have one out of a suburban What oil pan would I need to drop a one of these gen 6 in a 65 Chevelle? any help would be great thanks
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure on pan fitment for specific chassis
@crlsx6038
@crlsx6038 3 жыл бұрын
What about the edelbrock top end kit for the gen 5 ?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
YES
@speeedskater
@speeedskater 3 жыл бұрын
what about TBI from a gen5 454 on a olds 455, stock RV cam , we have a GMC motor home, not looking for more power or RPM just easy starts and reliability, do not have room for a taller intake.
@xmo552
@xmo552 3 жыл бұрын
Do it
@9thgatedim273
@9thgatedim273 Жыл бұрын
Hey rich whats a good combo for a stock gen 6 looking for cam intake ,carb ,values springs ect using stock heads
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 Жыл бұрын
650 brawler, dual plane rpm or air gap, small cam as shown in vid
@Anarchy-Is-Liberty
@Anarchy-Is-Liberty 2 жыл бұрын
@9:32 - I think that's suppose to be 381hp.
@Supercharged111
@Supercharged111 3 жыл бұрын
I love that you run this old junk on the Dyno for cheapasses like me. I have both of these engines in my stable.
@bobbobby1846
@bobbobby1846 3 жыл бұрын
you HAD. Richard has them now. lol
@Supercharged111
@Supercharged111 3 жыл бұрын
@@bobbobby1846 Well they made alright numbers, didn't they?
@bobbobby1846
@bobbobby1846 3 жыл бұрын
@@Supercharged111 i was talking about how rich stole your motors you had.
@Supercharged111
@Supercharged111 3 жыл бұрын
@@bobbobby1846 I know
@michaelbradley4050
@michaelbradley4050 3 жыл бұрын
Are you running the stock lifters, push rods, rockers and valve springs with the upgraded cams?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
IT SHOWS WE CHANGED SPRINGS
@stuchbrosmnore8627
@stuchbrosmnore8627 3 жыл бұрын
Are you watching the whole video?
@jonphillips3804
@jonphillips3804 3 жыл бұрын
what is the expected hp and tq gain in a gen 6 with a ZZ502 cam, standard duel plane intake?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
have not run that cam
@jondahl3173
@jondahl3173 3 жыл бұрын
The zz502 cam is slightly larger, so power will be better on the top end, I expect 15hp or so. ZZ502 cam is .527/544 lift, 234/244 on 110 love centers. Have to watch piston to valve clearance, especially on intake side. My build .040 over KB pistons using the ZZ502 cam, truck oval ports, dual plane intake. Expect 430hp or so, 530+ tq.
@erenzoscroggins8056
@erenzoscroggins8056 3 жыл бұрын
BBC for the win on the streets anyday... Seen a 496 stroker knock the dust off a ls7 corvette in "Mexico" this past weekend👀👀👀 Gaaaaap🗣️
@xmo552
@xmo552 3 жыл бұрын
Mex has all the best 😉👌
@Sea2SeaAdventures
@Sea2SeaAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
How would they compare to a 8.1L?
@andy347495
@andy347495 3 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about the 8.1L vortec?
@Sea2SeaAdventures
@Sea2SeaAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
@@andy347495 Oh Yeah!! I have one in a 2500 Yukon XL for towing a big boat to the water.
@AbbakleKannoxis
@AbbakleKannoxis 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sea2SeaAdventures in stock trim the 8100 would probably do better from the added displacement and more modern head design, but they're a little limited for their uses in hot rodding or engine swaps because there aren't very many places that build parts for them. If I remember correctly the head design is quite a bit different then regular Big Blocks so it really limits the amount of compatibility they have for conventional speed parts.
@AdmiralRustyShackleford
@AdmiralRustyShackleford 3 жыл бұрын
@@AbbakleKannoxis Raylar engineering makes top end and stroker kits for the 8.1 Vortec, and at the very least I would look into their aluminum heads for more power and weight reduction (a 3/4 ton Suburban needs all the help it can get).
@AB-80X
@AB-80X 2 жыл бұрын
The Gen VII is not as good a platform as the Gen VI, but the Gen VII is a better platform than the Gen V. However, all of that is out the window as soon as you rip the heads of the Gen V and use aftermarket heads. The "classic" BBC is just a more developed platform than the 8.1
@gearheadlife1576
@gearheadlife1576 Жыл бұрын
when we gonna see junk yard gen 6 454 with stock efi /intake with new more better cam, mybe heads too all with stock efi and intake.? seems like a easy way to make over 400 hp and lots of TQ . we must know! lol
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 Жыл бұрын
JUST A CAM WILL MAKE OVER 400 HP WITH THE STOCK EFI
@justintucker5203
@justintucker5203 Ай бұрын
So what gasket do I use to put the gen 6 head on my gen 5 tbi
@ambrosebrower8760
@ambrosebrower8760 3 ай бұрын
Would you entertain the idea of using 1.8 rockers on a gen 5 454 that has a stock or very mild cam?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 ай бұрын
yes
@stevepatino8907
@stevepatino8907 3 жыл бұрын
How do you tell the difference between a gen 5 and a gen 6 thanks Rich
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
FUEL INJECTION IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT-FRONT COVER IS DIFFERENT AS WELL, HEADS ARE DIFFERENT, GEN 6 HAS HYD ROLLER CAM
@AdamSmith-ze6cx
@AdamSmith-ze6cx 2 жыл бұрын
Wondering what intake gasket you used on the gen 6
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
FEL PRO BBC OVAL PORT GASKETS
@croomsracingengines9265
@croomsracingengines9265 2 жыл бұрын
Did the vlv train stay stock on the gen 6
@philipmazzuca2269
@philipmazzuca2269 2 жыл бұрын
What’s the limit on these blocks as far as boring? Max bore/wall thickness?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
.060 USUALLY
@bluecollarhotrods9781
@bluecollarhotrods9781 3 жыл бұрын
I doubt it will ever happen, but would like to see what just swapping the Gen VI heads on a Gen V would do in terms of gains. I am about to do just that. I have a 3k mile Gen V that I paid next to nothing for. And a set of Gen VI heads I pulled off of a locked up engine in the local junk yard. I will be upgrading the cam at the same time. Most likely something in between the Comp 256 and 276 that you ran in both engines. Will be topping it with a used Edelbrock performer intake and a 750 cfm carburetor. Thinking 400 HP and 500 TQ isn't too unrealistic? I know I could buy "better" heads and a hyd roller, but I currently only have about $650 in the engine, Gen VI heads, and used intake manifold. Trying for a true budget build for around $1000-$1200 total invested.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
I have run Gen 6 heads on a Gen 5-it works well
@bluecollarhotrods9781
@bluecollarhotrods9781 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 Any dyno results? I am even thinking about milling my heads. I've read that they can be safely flat milled up to .050" I went over my engine today - pistons are .019" in the hole, factory head gaskets were about .041" compressed, assuming 118cc chambers in the peanut ports... that is a craptastic 7.5:1 SCR. I am just trying to match the 9:1 of a Gen VI.
@andy347495
@andy347495 3 жыл бұрын
@@bluecollarhotrods9781 i have a little bit of personal experience with this so I can give you a little info. You probably already know this, but you'll gain about 15hp from the extra point of compression you'll get. Depending on how close the vortec heads are to 781's you could see up to a 30hp gain with them over peanut ports, that's dependent on the cam too. With a 224 duration cam 400 hp is doable. Nicks garage did a test on a 454 similar to what you're doing and i think he got 396hp and iver 590tq. He was also using the factory manifold. I would really like to see Richard do a flow test on vortec heads because the test ive seen showed only small gains from them. Mainly because the exhaust ports are restrictive.
@andy347495
@andy347495 3 жыл бұрын
@@bluecollarhotrods9781 I think the gen VI is 8.5:1
@bluecollarhotrods9781
@bluecollarhotrods9781 3 жыл бұрын
@@andy347495 - everywhere I look lists them as 9:1, however I have not personally taken one apart and measured everything like I have done with this Gen V.
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