Cured metabolic syndrome, pre-diabetes, Crohn's, fibromyalgia & knocked secondary progressive MS down to inactive. I'm getting healthier & stronger every day. Thanks, Drs. Greger, Mcdougall, Esselstyn (sp?), Barnard... whole foods plants for the win!!

As a type 1 diabetic, MASTERING DIABETES is my jam. Following the science in the book, I went from a 10 A1c to a 5.4 A1c in 3 months and lost 50lbs at the same time. My doctors now call me "heart attack-proof" based on my blood work, meaning I won't die the way most diabetics die and I get to live a lot healthier life enjoying the best food there is.

Loving meat, cheese, eggs etc I loved the idea of Sarah's approach but it wasn't long before my neuropathy was so painful I had to stop. Switching to Neal Barnard's way sorted out my diabetes as well as my neuropathy. I don't like it as much but the bottom line is - it works.

I am feeling great at 71 with WFPB. I was interviewed for pre-colonoscopy last week and the RN asked me about daily medications (none), blood sugar (excellent), cholesterol (low), blood pressure (low-normal), and many other questions. At the end he said "I call people all day five days a week for this and I hardly ever meet anyone like you. Keep it up!" Thank you for the excellent video.

Both diets have the same thing in common. Eat whole foods. Don't eat processed foods. I do better with low carb (reversed my diabetes), but I know others who seem to do well with with whole food higher carbs. We should embrace commonalities in healthy diets instead of pitting one diet against another. The SAD should be the common enemy!

Plant Chompers is easily one of my favorite creators on YT.

I don’t think T2D send T1D can be discussed as being related. The challenge with T1D is that exogenous insulin is required as the body can’t produce its own. Thus, the idea of avoiding foods which avoid large rises in glucose means that much smaller doses of insulin are required. This has the enormous benefit of reducing the likelihood someone might accidentally overshoot the dose and end up in a coma. However, with CGM and insulin pumps, being able to manage a higher carb diet is likely less difficult nowadays. T2D is a different beast which manifests in high blood glucose but has a combination of causes. My own endocrinologist on diagnosis said there are many things which may contribute in different degrees that it is difficult to pinpoint exactly what pushes the glucose up. Luckily, we diabetics have one superpower. We can test for ourselves. There is no need to listen to anyone’s opinion. Simply eat something and see what happens. I learned 13 years ago that rice and noodles send mine through the roof. Museli (even the lowest carb available) for breakfast was a disaster. Any more than 2 slices of the highest fiber bread I can find does the same. Root vegetables push up but less dramatically so smaller portions are an option from time to time. I has a very clear choice, avoid foods that cause sharp rises in blood glucose or take medication to pharmacologically lower glucose. I opted for the non-pharma solution. So, for anyone wanting to know, get a CGM and see for yourself! If you can find a whole food plant based diet that keeps glucose in normal ranges (and an A1C lower than 5.8 - although I prefer to keep mine under 5.4) then go for it. If you need some medication to help, that’s a choice that can also be made. I couldn’t, so defaulted to eating more meat as it is one of the few ‘carb free’ food sources. I did this long before I’d even heard of low carb or keto - it was a simple case of testing my blood after various meals!

I am 57, practice intermittent fasting(best thing), bp average 100/65, resting heart rate mid 40s, aaaaaaand plant based mostly carbs and never felt better.

I was low carb way before I was vegan. Developed T2 Diabetes. Reversed my T2 diabetes when I started eating whole food plant-based. The doctors who told me to eat low carb were amazed. I love my carbs, any diet that restricts my carb intake and stops me from eating an apple is dangerous as far as I am concerned.

Each video is so well done! The quality and fact checking is better than most Netflix documentaries 👏🏻

So sad to hear about Dr. Sarah Halberg that she died with cancer. But this video is inrcredibly well researched and puts up the best of both sides helping us to have a choice and that choice is always a plant base diet that has better outcomes. Thank you for this content

Are you talking about application of these diets on Type One or Two? I personally think ANY good diet applied to Type Two would show positive results over McDonalds and pizza.

Ok so 30 minutes later I still don’t know which “science” is the right “science”. Starts with two doctors with different views and never comes back to say which is right and why. Yes, recommends Dr. Barnard’s book but doesn’t say why. I leave the video still confused…

I love these videos. So well done. Thank you so much for the time and effort you put into these.

Good narrator, good video.

One cloggs your arteries and one does not, nuff said 👍

Regarding natural foods being more bland, it may be also that people's tastes are inured to more subtle flavors because salt, sugar, are so overwhelmingly strong, that you get used to that flavor. I have noticed that when you eliminate sugar, at some point everything actually tastes sweet, even things like beans and whole grains. Organic carrots with the tops on, are SWEET. So are sweet potatoes, butternut squash, without overwhelming your taste buds with refined sugar, these foods have their own subtle sweetness. Same with salt, when you reduce overall salt in your diet, very salty foods are intolerably salty.

I am not sold on that low carb negative publicity. True low carb is < 30g a day. The researchers failed to make that distinction. As a type 1 diabetic I can attest that high blood sugars are the cause of not just the complications and increase mortality but even cancer rates. With the low carb diet I have a HbA1c between 4.5-4.8%. Dr Bernstein plan works because it’s based on biochemistry and plain mathematics. The people in the high carb diets never show their CGMs and that’s for a reason. Variable roller coaster BG. Trust me the meat industry is not as deep in the government’s pockets as the whole grain BS food makers. Grains and sugars are chemically identical when metabolized they both turn to the same glucose molecules. I got that from your video natural or not the harm is similar. Which is bizarre with the climate change cult is that over planting crops is just if not more harmful to the environment as animal farms. Furthermore almonds which is an essential protein source for the vegans requires ridiculous amounts of water to grow. Seems like a weak attempt to praise self righteousness, and obvious political undertones not necessarily scientific facts..

Thank you for this. You actually cited sources that are legitimate and from both sides. I have found as a T2 that keto/low carb was easy but not working to control my blood sugars after several years of being on it. Insulin resistance only gets worse on keto and as my diabetes progressed it was impossible to maintain a good BG or A1C. I need a more balanced approach and this video is helping me get there.

Great introduction to the video. Why nutrition is so confusing. Even doctors disagree on what to eat, both works for their patients. Thanks for creating this video. keep up the amazing work! :)

13 years vegan, plant based is the best decision ever. I do 50/50 plate Dr McDougall. You do not need to eat animals to live!

Subscribed to this channel because it was recommended - this is the first thing I've watched. Looking good, so far.

Holy Crikey! There's so much content in this video, I'm going to have to watch it again. And, then you said you've been reading books and compiling it for a year. I believe it! Great interjecting the short vid cuts of the actual people talking. Well done. Thanks Chris, and thanks again Klaus for getting a good one out there!

Eat real, whole, plant based food. :-)

There's 2 very simple facts that point to how we should eat: 1. Primates, which we evolved from and share most of our DNA with, ate nearly all plant based for millions of years. This is what our digestive system took all that time adapting to and thriving on. 2. Population studies that show largely, if not exclusively, plant based diets tied to longevity and overall health. All this meat and diabetes talk is a modern issue created by our bad habits we've developed as a modern society. Follow our anthropology trail and you'll see the light✌🌱

I love the research effort you put into these videos. It is truly exceptional. One of the problems with this conversation is the terminology people use. "high carb" is quite meaningless unless you define where those carbohydrates are coming from (whole foods or processed foods and the specific foods eaten). "low carb" can also be very misleading because it fails to define the volume of different foods in the diet. It's easy to create a "low carb" diet that is 80% whole plant foods for example...just fill up most of your plate with non-starchy vegetables. As a health writer I've studied most of the keto, zone, etc diets and a most of the whole food, plant based diets. There is some useful information in most of these books and problems with diets that go to extremes on both spectrums. INSULIN RESISTANCE DRIVEN BY DIETARY FATS & OILS One of the key problems with type 2 diabetes is insulin resistance. A simplistic way to explain it is to say that less fluid fats (saturated fats, hydrogenated oils etc) become part of the cell membranes in the muscle cells making difficult for the insulin receptors to function efficiently. This basic concept is accepted by doctors on the whole food, plant based sides and doctors on the "low carb" side (Dr Barry Sears Zone diet in particular which does have some nice work on explaining the role of lipids in the cells). BLOOD GLUCOSE & INSULIN SPIKES FROM FOOD INTAKE The food we eat causes blood glucose to rise and the low carb doctors are correct...someone who is insulin resistant eating large quantities of carbohydrates in a meal is likely to spike their blood glucose levels leading to an insulin spike and all its associated problems. Processed foods high in sugar and poor choices of fats (saturated fats, hydrogenated fats etc) are especially problematic. With someone who has high insulin resistance any type of high carbohydrate food is likely to spike their insulin levels...fruits, potatoes etc...they may all be a problem. And with a glucometer they can measure their blood glucose response so we know that there are problems there. Contrary to what some fringe diet exponents will tell you all whole plant based foods are not safe for type 2 diabetics. But it's important to note that any meal high in calories will spike insulin levels. And many protein sources including animal protein will spike blood glucose and insulin levels too. processed meats are especially problematic. When it comes to people with diabetes there is no type of high calorie meal that is "safe". You can't wolf down a plate full of meat and think that's okay. IF YOU KEEP EATING A DIET HIGH IN ANIMAL PROTEIN YOU'LL LIKELY STAY INSULIN RESISTANT Also diets high in animal protein have another problem. The poor choices of fat that lead to insulin resistance are in the cells of the animals people eat. So unless you restrict or remove your intake of animal protein it's unlikely you'll completely resolve the problem of insulin resistance. People on diets high in animal protein need to keep restricting their carbohydrate intake and calorie intake indefinitely to control their blood glucose and insulin levels because they are mostly insulin resistant. My vegan friends won't like me saying it but you can have a quite healthy diet eating modestly portioned, leaner choices of animal protein if half or more of the volume of what you eat is non-starchy vegetables and you minimize or eliminate processed foods. Most of the sensible low carb diets follow a model something like this. But there are better ways of doing things that deal with the core problem of insulin resistance. Early studies on diets that are lower in total high carbohydrate intake AND plant based are much more effective at controlling blood glucose and insulin than their animal protein counterparts. The "eco-Atkins" diet is an example of this. The evidence also points to whole food plant based diets helping increase insulin sensitivity and decrease insulin resistance. One of the problems with some plant based dieters is they don't understand that developing good insulin sensitivity is a process that takes time. You don't recommend a type 2 diabetic start eating a diet high in high glycemic fruit and vegetables from day one. The first recommendation is usually to cut back or cut out the animal protein replacing it with whole food plant based proteins and make non-starchy vegetables at least half the volume of what you eat every time you eat. Over time as insulin sensitivity rises people monitoring their blood glucose will find they can eat higher glycemic fruits and vegetables without that spiking blood glucose. EXERCISE & ACTIVITY LEVELS ARE A HUGE KEY Your activity levels and regular exercise profoundly affect your insulin sensitivity so any conversation of diet should include a conversation about activity and exercise. Put simply you should be constantly active most of the day and get some more vigorous exercise at least once or twice a day. One last point. I always laugh when diet doctors try to point to food pyramids as the harbinger of evil diets. The average person takes no notice of those food pyramids. Have you ever seen anyone at a supermarket or a takeaway checking the food pyramid on their mobile before they order their big mac with fries and coke?

Wow, I would like to give this 100 thumbs up! So much great information. I am going to share this with people I love. I have been so confused, the people I love are confused, the one solid bit of info my dr. stands behind is limit/reduce sugar. I've been watching a lot of Jane Esselstyn's videos (love her mom and dad's cameos). They are really inspiring me to be as wfpb as possible.

Thank you for devoting so much time and energy to making this video! It’s so informative

Interesting to hear that we are still as confused and misled now as they were 500 years ago. If a doctor contradicts himself in one book, alarm bells should ring.

Thank you very much for all your work and your honesty.

So much in there , I used to be on the low carb side but now I am Vegan , I don't think I'll change back . Thanks for this .

Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful information!

EXCELLENT post, thank you!

Thank you. As the mom of a teen with Type 1 diabetes, I have read all of the diabetes books mentioned. We tried Dr Bernstein’s method for two years and it worked. It also improved my Lyme and allergies, and eliminated my husbands Gerd. Teen hated it and missed fruit, so I was ecstatic to find Mastering Diabetes. Switched and felt great. We were shocked at how much less insulin my daughter needed with DAYS of eating this way, even with tons of bananas and potatoes. Such tangible immediate evidence is rare in food plans. I still eat this way, but my teen can now drive and gets fast food and other junk with her friends several times a week, even though her spikes are obvious on her glucose monitor and it makes her feel like crap. It is so frustrating but I give up... the food industry owns her. We still eat healthy at home. Thanks for all you do, please specify Type 2 anytime you mention diabetes can be eliminated with diet, it’s a real sore spot for all Type 1 moms.

LOVE these deep dives!! Great work!

Your videos are always full of information, and interesting, always a good watch

Wow👍 Thank you Plant Chompers!

I am a little unique in that I was born with a pre-diabetic condition and have tried both strict whole foods vegan and clean keto diets to control my blood sugar issues. So I can give you a basic breakdown on how both worked for me. Keto Pros: Best blood sugar control (in a way) When you train your body to run on ketones blood glucose does not matter much at all so even if you get low you won't even notice. I have NEVER had a blood glucose issue of any sort while in ketosis. Most stable energy of any diet by far. Better cardio better sleep and far less cravings. Lost over 30lbs without ever counting calories and kept most of it off with annual cycles. Cons: Hardest diet around to stick to since there are added carbs in nearly everything and carbs are more addictive than heroine, plus I cannot do it in the summer since I live in a hot climate and keto makes you more prone to dehydration issues and I work outdoors. Other: Keto community is generally supportive and helpful although there are a few carnivore quacks hanging around that will swear by some absolutely crazy $#!^. Vegan Pros: Much easier to stick to since carb addiction is vastly stronger than any meat addiction could ever hope to be. The food is far better than I though it would be. Cons: Much less blood glucose control than with keto although I have never had a severe issue while on vegan just minor ones that left me feeling shaky and drained. I never lost any weight on vegan like I did on keto. Other: Vegan community is generally toxic as hell, I have never in my life seen such a flock of idiotic angry brainwashed sheep shouting absolute propaganda nonsense, that said there are a few gems in the community that are worth their weight in gold and more than make up for the other 90% being so freaking stupid, to be fair I am talking about the online community as I live in Texas and vegans here are as rare as frog fangs so the online community was all I had to go by, if you have real life vegans where you live your mileage may vary. Overall I decided to cycle keto every fall and winter while going more plant based in the hot summer months, this might sound crazy but I have not had any life threatening issues since Aug of 2008 so it is clearly working for me. I have thought many times about a vegan keto cycle but vegans are VERY dogmatic about their diet must be high carb low fat and get mad if you even ask about doing something different. Vegan and keto can both work, and they work for very different reasons. The vegan approach is to make the body more insulin sensitive improving overall stability. Keto works by reducing insulin itself and activating the body's backup metabolic system. If I had to choose one or the other I would have to say keto but bio-individuality is really a thing so your mileage may vary so try both if you are fighting with life threatening blood glucose issues. One thing for absolute certain the current SAD (Standard American Diet) of high carb, moderate fat and moderate protein with all of our trash seed oils and refined carbs is the absolute worst diet on the planet and anything that gets people away from that junk food I am all for. What I have learned is resistant starch, a wide variety of fiber, and clean fats (olive/coconut/avacado oil) as well as some animal fats are good while excess soy, corn and processed foods of all kinds are very very bad.

Well researched, great job. Thanks!

Fantastic episode. Thank you so much.

This is fantastic, thank you!

I don’t eat meat and would like to thank Jason Fung for possibly saving my life with intermittent fasting which has helped me to get my weight down dramatically and my life back. I got really overweight when I stopped eating meat but with his guidance have learned to reduce carbs and have more healthy fats as well as fasting. I don’t eat so much carbs but have lots of greens. You unfairly portrayed Jason Fung in this video.

This one of the best videos I have ever seen. Thank you.

Loved this video and agree with the final assessment. Thanks you!

Thank you for clarifying! Hope u feel better

Super job!! Thank you.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I was so confused by these two Tex talks! Thank you for doing this.

I must say, I have watched a few of your videos for sometime and they are simply the best ever...thank you!

It seems to me, that we just don’t know what the right diet is because it is difficult to lock up a large group of people for a year or so to make sure that they don’t deviate from the prescribed diets in order to do research. What if the problem is neither low fat nor low carb? What if the problem is combining fat and carbs? If you just eat high fat and no carbs you’re fine, and if you eat high carbs and low fat, you are fine also. But if combine the two and you eat something like french fries, you’re in trouble. 🤔

A very good video, a lot is bravely tackled. Incidentally I too feel Dr. Neal Barnard and Dr. Michael Greger (whose book, 'How not do die' was mentioned but not his name) point out out a good way and seem convincing. Thank you for the useful and eminently shareable video.

I enjoyed your video. Thanks for making it!

The answer: we need BOTH fats and carbs. A balanced diet is key. Too much of anything isn't good.

BRILLIANT , EXCELLENT , FABULOUS VIDEO ! I KISS THE GROUND YOU WALK ON ! I LOVE YOU ! GREAT WORK !

Well diabetes type 1 and 2 should have a completely different name there is so much confusion on that, they are similar because the effects are literally the same but causes are so different that no one should give diet suggestion on Type 1 to treat Type 2 (I'm talking about the first doctor) Fung is a quack btw

Great video, Wow good review on both sides . Thanks

Thank you so much for all your research and presentation.

Wait what.. halfway filming this video what exactly happened??

Keto often includes lots of vegetables....just low carb ones. The problem with keto is people often don't know what they're doing and don't do it correctly!

Awesome Info! Thank you! Well done!

Thank you, KZfaq Algorithm.....I was delighted to find this channel today. I appreciate your style, but really appreciate the science! I have added a few episodes to my watch list so you will now be joining me on my morning elliptical🙂

Wow. Just wow. Well said on every front. My Dad keeps pushing Jason Fung lately and I am not good at arguing so there is no way I will get through to him about all of this. It really sucks. =(

Keep putting videos out PLEASE!!! This message is up against so much nonsense going on right now in our culture and media- keto, paleo, protein obsession, etc etc.. We Need to get this info out to people!!! Thank you for this amazing video

Loved this! Thanks

This video is incredibly well done

I quit animal products except for the occasional slice of cheese and fish but for the most part it’s plant based and intermittent fasting for me. I’m 72 years old 10 years ago I was a big animal product consumer then I was diagnosed with colon cancer and I was also type 2 diabetic I went plant based right after that and my colonoscopy this year was perfect diabetes down to pre diabetic no medication needed weight is almost perfect great bowl movement and much better sleeps as well. No one can tell me what you guys are consuming is doing you any good. It may help you in some ways but kill you in others I wish some of you at least will open your eyes

To be clear, Nina Teicholz is not a scientist, she's a journalist and regarding the state of journalism today, it's hard to say if they're selling or informing.

Very well done. Thanks

Did you find anything, please 🙏??? Please guide me as well. My employer agency is threatening me if I could not prove that my sky high sugar is in tight control. Please help guide !!!

Vegan for the ANIMALS ! 👵🌿 💚 WFPB💪

This is a great little video

Great episode! Thank you!!

Fantastic! Thank you so so much.

This was such an informative video. No wonder I have been confused. This video provided so much clarity! Thank you!

I have read all four of these books and am carefully reading them again, while experimenting with various meals. I am 70 years old, prediabetic, but slim. So far, over the past six months, my weight, blood glucose and blood lipids have greatly improved on a low-carb, higher fat, adequate protein diet of WHOLE foods, mostly cooked at home. This is one commonality between these diets. They both stress real, not refined foods.

Thank you for such a great info. ❤

Only mentioned one part of the obesity and type 2 diabetes equation that Dr. Jason Fung writes about in his book. Seems that only half of his book was read. The second part is timing of the food... the most important part alongside processing.

Super good job again!! I have been whole foods nutritarian for 4yrs now. love all the plant Docs I heard Dr Walter Willet when asked what is the optimal amount of meat in the diet and his answer was zero!! I did love the later Nathan Pritikin the pioneer in my opinion. I have been growing allot of my own food for taste and quality and a carrot tastes like a carrot and tomato like tomato. but why just why did you have to bring up Dorrito's . I could fill a swimming pool with them and dive in. Now I have to go back to Dorrito rehab>>

It is so good to finally hear someone try to give a balanced evaluation of the various “experts“, comparing the keto type diet to the plant-based whole food diet. No one is without bias but at least the comparisons were made.

Thank you for the work, but I didn't find any clear message apart from one book you hated, two you liked. What does the science say works best?

Very well done, thank you.

The standard American diet is not low fat. It's a high fat/processed foot diet.

This was so instructive. I felt like I really learned something as I’ve been trying to educate myself more for this Lifestyle. I just got really confused with the clip about “vomiting and shirt cutting” what happened, did something happen to you? Thank you for sharing this information, it’s so confusing trying to figure out all the different sides of the meat/no meat issue. 🙋🏻‍♀️

Thank you for making these videos. I wish I can do more to promote your channel on top of subscribing, liking and forwarding your videos.

Thank you. This was outstanding.

I wish he would tell us why he started vomiting his guts out and the paramedics had to come.

Eating a low fat, low meat high carb diet (mostly plants starches, rice etc.) is what gave me type two diabetes. So I think the question should be - High carb low fat - or low carb - keto and I choose the low carb (very very low carb) High meat and low fat.

I know PBN may not 100% endorse margarine, but today there is margarine made from plant based oils, non hydrogenated and zero saturated fats. If compared to real dairy butter, which one is safer if eaten in low moderation ? Thanks !!

You made me want to revisit my world view when it comes to nutrition. Thanks!

So, Sarah Hallberg was praising keto diets while already suffering from cancer?

I look at it like this people in poverty can't afford meat yet are healthier that anyone with money ..

Pigs are fed sugar in the form of processed foods. I worked in a Krisp Cream donut factory, the donuts that did not meet quality are sent to the pig farms.

I started a diet recently and turned to you tube . Turned out there is conflict on what to eat. I had no idea hiw confusing it turned out to be.

Happy healthy vegan compared his blood work to Shawn Baker who is eating only meat. Shawn Baker was borderline diabetic even tho he was only eating meat while Happy Healthy vegan was eating no animal products and quite a bit of carbs. The proof is in the pudding 🤷🏻‍♀️

I had idiopathic small fiber neuropathy (SFN) that was being caused by pre diabetes, which contributes to 1/3 of all idiopathic cases of SFN, for 2 years and I had such a symptom improvement going low fat plant base. I was already following only Whole Foods for over a year, but going low fat this early year made such a big difference in my SFN and Fibromyalgia.

Who is this guy? I love him! So kind.

I tried both. High fat, keto diet sounded very attractive only found its not who already in diabetes. Keto was only good loosing belly fat fast but worsen the diabetes with ketoacidosis. Please don't do high fat if you already diabetes. Low fat (

Thank you so much for this information. Personally I would rather you emphasize health rather than the animal ethics. I just feel that vegans would be so much more effective by not sounding ‘judgy’ and rather concentrate on health. When people feel judged, it just makes them feel rebellious and want to dig their heels in and stand their ground! I loved this and would welcome even more. Dr.Gundry perhaps? Maybe not but just more. Thank you!

That was fantastic. At the end of 2020 I miraculously came through 17 years of horrendous pain. In the last 3. 5 years I have lost 40 kg. I had been insulin resistant for 50 years and was told many times I would end up a diabetic. I first tried the ketogenic diet and after going of all the pain medications I realised the pain had not gone. Yes I did lose a lot of weight. Then I did more research and started whole foods plant based and the pain left in 4 weeks. That was 8 months ago and I have never looked back. I love eating this way, have more energy, a clear head , no insulin resistant and feel so much gratitude for the life I have back. Pirkko from Queensland Australia

All I know is when I eat a healthy meal of maybe chicken, potatoes, carrots and salad, if I put lots of butter on the potato and carrots, and am generous with an oil/vinegar dressing, I do not get hungry for hours later. If I skip the fat, skin my chicken (or eliminate it) and use fat free dressing on my salad, herbs on my potato and carrots, etc. I will be famished in a couple of hours. I think it is the combination of oils and REFINED carbs that do us in. I can eat a slice of toast with a lot of butter on it with my coffee, which has cream in it, and I am not hungry until much later in the day. But if you give me a slice of toast with scant butter or just jelly on it, and coffee with regular or skim milk, same thing happens. I get hungry. Protein helps to put a lid on hunger for me, but so does fat. If I have fat, I can skip wanting bread or dessert. I'm still experimenting with it. I am thinking that the body, when it feels fats coming in, it is thinking that all is well, and it doesn't have to send out hunger signals. But there is more to the picture, and I'm no chemist. I have tried the KETO diet and ended up craving carbs. Maybe it's a matter of natural whole foods, regardless of whether it is carb or not.

Yeah, the dilution effect of foods is of real growing concern. I don't like to think of this effect on herbs and spices especially.