Nah, when you have neutral or high honor and didin't meet sister Calderón, then he gonna say that Arthur changed into a good man. In that scenario with low-honor it was just more complicated for him.

Really feels like it lol.

I don't think low honor Arthur is this unhinged manic people make him up to be. Maybe in free roam under the player's control, sure, but in the story he mostly comes off to me as a more apathetic, selfish Arthur. One who either learns that getting John to his family is more important or reverts to the only "good" he knows which is trying to get them the money.

@@Samurai-35232 Some think Arthur talks to Swanson only with low honor but you could talk to him if you don't do Brother Dorkins' missions with high honor as well.

About half thousand burnt alive victims, ocean of slaughtered wildlife and property deprived households will attest to that

Because he has tb but then proceeds to touch him

He can touch Arthur, its just that Swanson needs to stay away from Arthur because he can probably contract TB by Arthur just coughing in Swansons Face

@@KD-Slayer105 Yeah, TB spreads through air and Arthur simply raising his voice next to Swanson could get him infected.

I think he was just very shocked. He’s about to leave from all the crap going on, then finds out a person he cares about is dying. Like if you had a bunch of family abandon you, then find out one of them is going to die.

Swanson was literally just positioning himself to better face Arthur. He wasn’t sliding away from him

i think in game lore, he ends up preaching to a cathedral in new York, still tho, as a Christian, when i went on the first mission with him the first thing i thought was, wth they have a reverend in this gang, aint they a bunch of cold killers, now i see that was different, at least in the beginning it was

@@jjham6780 It's because the gang was more of a found family of rejects and unfournates and the nature of their crimes (mostly theft and scams) was mostly Robin Hood in nature than town massacring shenanigans they got up to just prior and during RDR2.

@@themadtitan7603 I know bruh, I actually loved this games characters, they felt like, real humans, I ain't gonna lie, I died a bit inside when hosea died man, he was my favorite

@@jjham6780 Hosea was my favorite side gang member in the game. It almost feels on every playthrough that things will go downhill without him.

@@themadtitan7603 he was the "moral compass" of the gang, i feel after he died, dutch just went off and decided to get rich by any means

Ever heard of Strauss? Pinkertons got up to him soon after he got kicked out of camp, they tortured him, but he didn't tell them anything. I don't remember if he died or not, probably yes

@@uncolored2060 good, fuck Strauss. He's the whole reason Arthur got TB

I'm still thinking about Karen. I need closure on what happened to her. I refuse to believe some hearsay about her dying from alcohol poisoning is the end of her story.

I think this scene could've been as effective if Arthur still said "I'm afraid" and Swanson was set up as a more likeable character throughout the game just like Sister Calderón (not Mother Superior btw) was in her previous two appearances. It would've felt and still feels more similar to Arthur's arc by taking to this man who's redeeming himself and walking back on the path he believed in once again, just like the gang itself lost their way and moral code years ago and Arthur's actions in Chapter 6 was what the gang was supposed to be. Instead, he's mostly just drunk comic relief for most of the game and not involved in much crimes that would've added impact to him losing his way.

Arthur's conversation with the nun at the train station legit made me cry my Arthur was not a bad man a fist fighter? sure an armed robber of houses and hostile campers most definitely but I spared lives when I could paid for everything and constantly donated and did chores

@@popcorn8743 I mean these things you described would be attributed to a bad person but I'd say Arthur from Chapter 1-5 is morally grey; not a good man nor a bad man. He'll help people and spare lives but then also kill train guards just doing their jobs to steal money.

@@themadtitan7603 Well, they do have to move the game's story line along somehow... Arthur going to work as a post office clerk would be pretty damn boring...

@@kleetus92 Never stated it doesn't make sense why he does is it. Of course the story is centered on an outlaw but that doesn't absolve him of his actions like so many fans try to argue.

Facts

Low/high honor isn't really about who arthur is IMO, it's about the impulses he chooses to give into. On the inside he is always high honor but this conversation and low honor dialogue just show that it doesn't matter what you believe you are, only the actions you take matter.

beautifully put , I never looked at it that way. Thanks

THIS so many people misinterpret low honor Arthur because they associate the actions they do to get to low honor with his character, like going on killing sprees, and playing him as a psychopath. From a story standpoint low honor Arthur is a man that acknowledges his bad actions and embraces the consequences. Regardless how you play Arthur he sees a lot of himself in Swanson since they both want to change but feel stuck, low honor Arthur would never kill anyone in the gang except Micah

If that's paraphrasing then this is a period

that's just the high honor interaction

@Mellisco That's the same scene with high honor but reading your comment made me think it would've been better if they had cutscenes for mid-honor or if you gradually went from low honor to high. It would've made the line "and you turned into a good man" much more impactful than if I was already high honor the whole game.

@@hughmann580 no the high honor has the nun

@@themadtitan7603 no the high honor option here is the nun

He became...

@@nrs166 If you're talking about Arthur, then agreed. Low Honor Arthur isn't someone who was always bad, after all you start off in the middle of the honor bar, implying that Arthur always had the capacity to be both good and bad. With low honor, the player has Arthur fall into his violent, selfish and apathetic side with my headcanon being that the pressure from the story weighs on him and forces him to become the worst version of himself and vice versa with high honor.

@@themadtitan7603 idk where you said this(sry to write it in this section to you) but you said in one of your comments that dutch when he is being questioned is getting offended very quick and in addition he is also narcistic. I dont think so, he always cared for the whole gang as a leader. Of course he has to show who is in charge. And he only gets offended very quickly when he is being questioned only by arthur and probably john too, because he knows them a life time, and would trust them with his life. He once said something similar to arthur: "i know that some people in the gang have doubts but when its from you it hits hard".

He is? Or you? Because your actions in the game depend upon how careless or not he is and becomes.

​@@kaanseyhun7041 I don't recall when and/or if I stated that because I might have more context that you perhaps missed, because these are not my exact thoughts. I think Dutch for most of the game is more open to doubts or suggestions when people don't exactly agree with his plans. In the later chapters like in Ch IV, he starts getting a little offended because he now knows some have some serious apprehension about his leadership seeing them through and not just doubts about a specific course of action they're taking. But he's still reasonable and says that the camp is not prison so anyone who's not liking where it's going could just leave. By Chapter 6, that when he straight up sees it as hearsay and an attack on his ego when he's being question as he views it as an example of a gang that's stopped believing him and looking up to him as their northstar.

I know right? He doesn't seem right low honor

Agreed. I prefer high honor Arthur. However, I think low honor is interesting if viewed as a different fall arc for Arthur rather than this black/white scenario of low simply being the alternate bad karma playthrough many players seem to view it as, which is a disservice to the game's writing imo. With low honor, Arthur turns to his rageful, selfish and apathetic side due to the pressure and bad luck the gang is experiencing. When he realizes Dutch is losing his way and he has a short time to live, he tries to make some amends to the best his nature allows him. He sees his ultimate redemption is tied to getting John out, so he either A). Sacrifices himself to the law while John escapes or B). Tries to get the only thing he ever know was good: money. I don't think Arthur is getting it for himself in that ending, it's that he came to view it as the ultimate priority. So if John is to survive and have a future with his family, he should get him money first over just getting John to his family in one piece.

My biggest regret was to have Low honor in my first playthrough. Shit was that bad

High Honor Arthur is Cannon that’s why it’s called RDRedemption

@@semarikuruarashi6484 I prefer high honor like anyone else. However, I don't there's any canon honor given that John's description of Arthur in the epilogue is "he was good and bad" which to me clearly indicates an ambiguity they wanted to have so every player is validated in their experience and the fact that he isn't mentioned in the first game helps ensure that. Secondly, I don't think that low honor Arthur doesn't redeem himself. I think the game is titled Red Dead Redemption because anyway you play the game and whichever ending you choose, you'll get redeemed. The difference is how MUCH can Arthur get redeemed imo. With high honor he dies satisfied that he's made amends, learned to be a better and more caring person who took a gamble and did a loving act. With low honor, depending on the player, he may get a Walter White-redemption; meaning he's not a much better person at the end but at least got to make amends with people he wronged and helped John, his family and Tilly to get out. People associate the money ending with low honor, but I disagree that it's meant to be the vain, greedy ending. Since you can do it with high honor and Arthur is dying anyway, the cash is clearly meant for John and his family which makes sense with low honor Arthur who prioritizes financial security over John getting safely to his family.

hes a pahtetic protestant to me! like almost every protestant on this world

He has his own redemption arc and he’s not even a main character. Arthur also sees a lot of himself in the reverend which is why he always felt sympathy towards him

​@@seamuswbiggerarmalite3379Most loving Catholic:

Every time I consider doing low honour, I'm just like "man, I am not a terrible person, let's go back to being good again" lol

@@SD0tKiNG123 I love being a terrible person. All of my Arthurs are psychopathic killers who will shoot anyone for even the smallest of reasons

@@thecommunistdoggo1008 you should try playing red dead with high honor atleast once

​@@smlik ye says you

​@@SD0tKiNG123 well thought out on staying in character for arthur

Facts. I basically had to murder the entirety of Van Horn after every mission in order to keep Arthur at low honor lol

Not true lmao I tried to be good but I had low honor in my first playthrough

I found it to be the exact opposite. I guess it depends on the person. You just miss out on a lot of fun being the good guy all the time. But then again, you miss out on a lot of content being the bad guy

I can't stop myself from fucking with NPC's lol

@@flasher6597 lol same anyone who talks shit on the trail catches hot lead

It’s like the true version of a story and the high honour is the movie they make about the events.

@@DagAmaRamaGaming low honor help John ending is how shit would go down irl for sure

​@@DagAmaRamaGaming I honestly think both honors could be the true story. High honor Arthur died succumbing to TB and left to die by his father figure, so his ending is still depressing all things considered.

I think high honor is realistic as well, but Micah shooting Arthur in the head is definitely what I think would happen. There's no way Micah just lets Arthur go while he lays injured and vulnerable.

Agreed, the high honor cutscene is good but doesn't feel as impactful as the Sister Calderón scene or this low honor version. Because the Sister one fits perfectly for high honor Arthur's arc and the same with this scene for low honor Arthur's journey. But the high honor Swanson one is just okay, it feels like it'd fit better if the game dedicated a mid-honor status or if it acknowledged that you changed from low honor to high.

You get Swanson both with High and Low honor if you don't complete the side missions which involve the nun.

Hopefully, gta 5 was fun but it’s story kinda sucked. It was just hectic and with out any real direction. Gta 4 was definitely better written.

GTA VI will just be a gta, without a story because GTA players couldn't give a single shit. But you will have free woke stuff. Enjoy !

The guy that wrote the story and characters for gta 4, 5, Rdr, rdr2 left rockstar. And the protagonist in the next gta might be a lesbian lgbt, since they announced that they would stop doing jokes about that stuff. So yeah, I’ll keep my expectations at the lowest, which is boycott the game

GTA VI’s story is gonna be ass. They’ve gone full woke

@@casultras1989 Except we definitely know that's not the case.

only if you met her at Saint Denis

I was high Honor but never met Sister Mary in my first play through, you meet Reverend and have a heartfelt goodbye for him too.

@@Vespyr_ I unfortunately missed Reverend and never got to say goodbye to him on my first playthrough, but Sister Mary's conversation with Arthur hit me in the gut

Nah it depends on if you did sister calderons mussion or not

Right? I was thinking about how I got a completely different cutscenes with the nun instead of the Reverend

It also changes Arthurs interactions in cutscenes he'll be more talkive or agressive depending on honor

Yeah I know that feeling, I tried playing that way on a repeat playthrough but it feels wrong to play Arthur like a maniac so I always play high honour lmao

@@dylanwoods5944 I’m right at the part where Arthur is showing settle signs of TB last night when I logged off we had just touch down in Guarma and my inner monologue keeps telling me “there’s still a chance you can go back to being honorable, wouldn’t take much to give Arthur his redemption, when you guys touch back down to the main map you can turn Arthur around” we’ll see if I actually finish the game with low honor

@@okidcain7863 I hope you make the right choice lol

actually surprised about that outfit.. did they add some cosmetics to story mode?

@@liandre9035 It's the Legend of the East outfit. You get it as a reward for completing all challenges.

@@janmichalcik7598 ah i see, thanks for the info ^^

WTF, im playing low honor rn and am wearing something red lmao

Most of the best clothes in the game has red, and alot of the nice coats are also red lol

What did you see?

@@villanelle2622 nothing the scene just ended after captain Monroe got on the train

You'd get a Reverent Swanson scene as well but slightly different.

You won't like the ending You won't like the ending at all

Micah u capper

Yeah my first playthrough I really had no idea about honor. Interestingly, I got the high honor scene with the nun but must have messed it up because at the end I got low on her endings. I'm doing a high honor replay and then I'll probably do a low honor replay after that. Or maybe I'll just go super low honor in the epilogue

You can run into Reverend even with high honor, if you didn't complete missions with sister Calderon.

​@@michaelcorcoran8768You can run into Reverend even with high honor, if you didn't complete missions with sister Calderon.

All challenges are doable with Arthur, you just have to try to survive the bounty hunters and invisible snipers around Blackwater and New Austin

if you have it on pc just get a trainer turn off the sniper and all you have to run from are some bounty hunters near blackwater. you can do all the challenges that way. without the trainer you cant survive the sniper.

I'm about to get it as Arthur, but I redownloaded from disk and went offline to play the unpatched 1.00 version, so I've been roaming New Austin on the reg with the Bronte "glitch"

@@powerofwill7314 can you save your progress in the story while using the trainer mod?

@@HAL7757 yes you can

Depressing for Arthur and us players in general...

Did you do all the missions with the nun

@@ECHOKINGXD I believe so, if not I’ll go back and check

@@snicklefritz4209 if you have I have no clue it might just have been a glitch

@@ECHOKINGXD yeah I believe it might have been, cause I’m pretty sure I did every nun mission, but I’ll go and check and let you know if i didn’t

@@snicklefritz4209 alright see ya in a bit lad

lmao

The cheat for all outfits is Vanity. All is vanity Make sure you capitalize the V and the A, and add a space after the period

@@clamcrewcarclub6017 yeah I know that. Just asking him whether he grinded for that

@@Anirudhgunti ah I see lol I keep wanting to replay the game, but it’s so fun to use cheats to drip yourself out with a badass outfit and twin nickel plated Schofield revolvers lmao

@@Anirudhgunti I did all the challenges myself, I only used a trainer to disable invisible snipers in New Austin to make it a bit more doable.