LS3/5a Comparison! Harbeth P3ER. Falcon Acoustics Gold & Silver Badge. Sound Artist.

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Zero Fidelity

Zero Fidelity

Күн бұрын

A speaker design from the 70's that STILL has a strong following! In todays video, I explore four LS3/5a-type speakers and discuss how they all compare and contrast to one another.
Pricing Information:
Sound Artist LS3/5a: $600/pair
Falcon Acoustics 'MoFi Edition' LS3/5a: $1,995/pair
Harbeth P3ESR: $2,490/pair
Falcon Acoustics Gold Badge LS3/5a: $2,999/pair
PRODUCT PAGES:
Falcon Acoustics MoFi Edition: www.leakaudio.com/collections...
Sound Artist LS3/5A: www.china-hifi-audio.com/en/s...
Falcon Acoustics Gold Badge: www.falconloudspeakers.co.uk/...
Harbeth P3ESR: Webpage no longer online.
MY ORIGINAL REVIEWS:
Falcon Acoustics MoFi Edition: • Review! Falcon Acoust...
Sound Artist LS3/5a: • Review! Sound Artist ...
Harbeth P3ESR: • Harbeth P3ESR Review!
My personal Tier List (For desktop use):
1. Harbeth P3ESR.
2. Falcon MoFi Edition.
3. Falcon Gold Badge.
4. Sound Artist LS3/5a.
My personal Tier List (For a Traditional 2-channel system)
1. Falcon Gold Badge
2. Harbeth P3ESR
3. Falcon MoFi Edition
4. Sound Artist LS3/5a

Пікірлер: 330
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
Update: It looks like I got one critical detail wrong: The drivers inside the Falcon speakers are made in-house and are NOT outsourced. Mah bad.
@ceejaydeesoozaa
@ceejaydeesoozaa 3 жыл бұрын
like you im a huge fan of the ls35a. using an 80s 15ohm rogers pair. been thinking of getting another one but they are sooooo expensive. have you checked out the stirling v2?
@raduflorin6154
@raduflorin6154 2 жыл бұрын
all the drivers , not even in the early falcons , do NOT look like the original KEF B110 , the B110 only has black rubber surrounds !!!
@Oggycrew
@Oggycrew 10 ай бұрын
You got many details wrong
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
FYI: (1) There are no sound clips in this video. I don't have the gear for it. (2) Pricing information can be found in the description box. (3) Note that these speakers are voiced to sound best when the grills are ON. (4) This video contains long unscripted and uninterrupted takes. If I was a bit off with my info or the delivery of that info, all that I ask is for you to be considerate while pointing out my mistakes in the comments section. (5) Note that the Falcon Acoustics 'MoFi' edition LS3/5a is only available in North America. (6) Also note that Harbeth will continue to offer the original P3ESR alongside the new XD in North America. Word on the street is that the price may lower (in the US) as well. (7) I forgot to mention how the regular Falcon LS3/5a Gold Badge's revealing nature makes it less ideal for casual desktop listening (in my opinion) than the more forgiving P3ESR or the more colored sounding Falcon MoFi Edition LS3/5a.
@rlowes
@rlowes 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t get why people want sound clips. They tell you almost nothing except maybe where significant differences exist, but still won’t tell you if you’ll like that difference. Do you think it’s more of a neophyte thing?
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
@@rlowes From what I can tell, I think the interest in sound clips boil down to two things. The first is entertainment. People who realize you cannot tell much from sound clips, but enjoy them anyway. The second come from people who believe they truly can gauge the sound of / audition sundry hi-fi exotica on YT.
@jimshaw899
@jimshaw899 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting errand, comparing the sound of speakers that were intended to sound the same. What is equally interesting is that audiophiles are hugely paying for specified audio standard control room monitors -- tight specs that would make BBC broadcasts more consistent to audio engineers than to make sound more thrilling. (Eg: One can imagine two BBC broadcast music segments, one engineered and mixed wearing Beats headphones, the second engineer wearing Sony 7506's.) Then, try to combine them. But what is *our motive* in spending $3K+ to make our den sound like a BBC remote broadcast truck? It's moot....
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimshaw899 Adding to your first point, I think it's fascinating how many audiophiles forget that there are multiple versions of this speaker. The original pre-production units from the BBC. The first commercially available version (LS3/5). Then the mass-produced version (LS3/5a). And then in 1987, the introduction of the 11ohm version. I'm not making a point here. I simply find it fascinating. As for the motive: You spend your money on it because it makes you happy. I don't think most LS3/5a owners care about attempting to recreate sound in a cramped van. They own em' because they like em'. Simple as that.
@johnsweda2999
@johnsweda2999 3 жыл бұрын
It's a shame you didn't get the Wilmslow audio for $600 ish and had that in the mix, that's probably the cheapest out of the lot and that's built for you even cheaper if you buy as a kit. By the way those speakers are designed to be played with the grill on not off that's why you have the foam around the tweeter isolated from the woofer and the cloth has to be burlac grill there was two other variants in the 70s and 80s one was Rogers who built this speaker and another one was Goodman's who built this speaker using KEF drivers I think that's all of the manufacturers building the ls3/5a Shouldn't sound bright with the grills on! don't forget if it's sitting on a desk without any foam underneath or propped up on stands you going to get a drop of 100hz straight away
@williekenk
@williekenk 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't even started, but I'm already glad this comparison exists.
@MrToonfish
@MrToonfish 4 ай бұрын
@15:57... The sound samples between those speakers is a very interesting part of the video ! 🙂
@woutmoerman711
@woutmoerman711 3 жыл бұрын
My first impressive audio memory is from two LS3/5a's at an audio show. They were paired with a subwoofer and gave the best lively and realistic performance I ever heard. This was in the early eighties and the memory still is vivid!
@charliemathews5210
@charliemathews5210 3 жыл бұрын
Sean a very competent (excellent) review. Thank you abd wishing you a wonderful Holiday season!
@rusoaie
@rusoaie 3 жыл бұрын
Zero, this is brilliant. We want more side-by-side speaker comparisons (3+, not only 2 models) in which you describe the most suited type of application (desktop, mid-field, far-field, different music genres etc.). Some hints: 6/8 inch bookshelves and floor-standers. Thanks and keep up the good work!
@CharleyClose
@CharleyClose 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I purchased the Harbeth P3 XD on Friday. Your videos really helped me decide on these, especially since I haven’t heard them in person. Should get them on 12/24. BTW, the P3 XD’s are $3,290 US now.
@2ridiculous41
@2ridiculous41 3 жыл бұрын
A merry xmas to you and thanks for all the effort you put into this channel.
@KurtColville
@KurtColville 3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, entertaining information. Thanks, Sean!
@henk2591
@henk2591 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Sean, thanks for the review. Bought the Sound Artist based on a couple of reviews. Always tricky to buy via Internet, but at the price I took the chance. Even so with the Reisong Boyuu A10. With other tubes (Mullard EL-34 and 6n2 equivalents) icw the SA 3/5A's it's sounds just great (for the money). So, with you, Steve G and some other reviewers KZfaq can be very useful for making a decision on buying good audio gear at this price tag. Thanks and regards ,Henk (The Netherlands)
@leejankowski6608
@leejankowski6608 3 жыл бұрын
Since starting my own sound journey I have found the speakers and amps built in Great Britain to be what my ears desire above all other sound equipment and it has been listening to Sean that has helped me skip a few purchases and go straight to the British sound. Since my income does not allow me to purchase the finer British speakers, I have had to rely on a variety of older speakers, including a set of Linn Index speakers that I am using with my own desk top set up. Meanwhile, I will continue to listen to Sean and save my pennies. Thank you Sean - five years ago I didn't own a stereo... and so it goes.
@panoskonstantinidis1950
@panoskonstantinidis1950 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent, excellent, excellent review! Well done, Sean. I've owned the P3ESR and the two Falcons (silver and gold badge) and your review is absolutely accurate. I listen nearfield and it's like having no speakers at all. Anyway, given your deep experience with P3ESR and LS3/5a, you should perhaps consider creating a video about the partnering equipment, i.e. amp(s) and subwoofer(s). Yeah, subwoofer is heresy to some LS3/5a devotees, but then again, why not, if it works?
@trekjudas
@trekjudas 3 жыл бұрын
I got a small REL sub to go with my Harbeths. I set it so it’s sonically invisible except on low notes
@KPsTboy
@KPsTboy 2 жыл бұрын
@@trekjudas I was wondering which specific model if the REL?
@CaptainCrunch823
@CaptainCrunch823 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience! Do you have a preference for a desktop setup between P3ESR vs Falcon Silver vs Gold?
@yogarl7
@yogarl7 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome Sean, you killed it!
@offason
@offason 3 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas Sean and a Happier New Year!!
@mrpositronia
@mrpositronia 3 жыл бұрын
The Falcon Golds sound amazing. I heard them in a small 4x4 metre room at a show and I had no idea these speakers were playing. I though it was a bigger pair of Falcon speakers sitting beside them. Big, wide sound. Very refined and easy to listen to.
@maureenwassermann767
@maureenwassermann767 3 жыл бұрын
I love your vids. You always do a great job. Yes, 3/5 speaker prices have gotten out of control, with the exception of the Chinese SA version. My mind can fill in the bass that is not there. In exchange, you get magical mids, but it, indeed, has become a tough call on whether these are worth the dough at such elevated pricing levels.
@stevenjackson8226
@stevenjackson8226 3 жыл бұрын
The LS-3/5A was one of those products that was part of a seismic shift in my audio journey. I listened to them when they were just introduced - the Rogers and Chartwell variants. At the same time, too, it was Magnepan, the Dahlquist DQ-10, the early Levinson gear, just about anything by Audio Research and Conrad-Johnson that had me make a big path change. When I was leaving college I sold my Magnepan MG-llBs. The person who bought them was the head of a college music department. He offered to trade my Maggies for his Rogers LS-3/5As. I didn't take the trade. Oh, well.
@alleneberly514
@alleneberly514 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the review. Am hopeful you may evaluate the Harbeth p3/esr xd.
@gstapon
@gstapon 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great review. Zero Fidelity is a fine broadcast in these days of no audio showrooms to live audition. Remarkably, I may have even owned or auditioned more speakers than you, and have commits on LS3 5 A's. I ran a large business as a mobile DJ to put me through law school and my wife through med school in the 70s. Lights, dry ice machines , gunpowder bombs set off in light sockets (yes !) and great tube (garnet and other amps...ultimately going solid state because we would have to re-wire most venues to get 1500 tube watts) I used great speakers with a ton of dynamic response. Alec voice of the theatre, Klipsch horns, Tannoy 15s, and (few know this) 12 in. Phillips with whizzer cones. Excellent with ports and large 75 lb. MDF boxes. For my home I had a series of stacked Advents, Giant Sonys, JBLs ,Cerwin Vegas, stacked Dynacos Quads, etc.etc. Then my dealer said in about 1976 that I should buy a diminutive set of Rogers 15 ohm LS3 5As. I scoffed but bought them. Delicious. Surprisingly good in specific applications. If you want to listen closely, or softly with musicality, or read a book, with music in the background they are outstandingly listenable. Sweet midrange, great imaging etc. etc. I did not know quite what I had, but have kept them for many years and through many subsequent speakers mounting them on the walls and other indignities , (some examples of my other stuff : Kef 105.7 with cube, Celestial golds, Klipsch towers, several sets of great Canadian towers including Totem voiced in the anechoic chamber, Energy 22s (quite good) SVS Towers, several Andrew Jones models including the somewhat over rated Uni-Fi ,various Polks and many highly rated others over the years , mostly set up properly with good electronics in the 4 houses we are so fortunate to own.) Anyway , I get the difference in experience between a Klipsch or Tecton with dynamics liveliness and bass, and the muted sonic honey of a LS35A. As a second set of speakers, what they can do after all these years is quite remarkable. I may try the Sound Artists just because. They are a little more than the inflation adjusted price I paid for the Rogers way back when. BTW, dont det me started on electronics since I have bought, burned out or still have about 40 different pieces. You should review the new Outlaw Receiver. I bought two. Great AB amp bargain with a reasonable DAC. Best.
@charleskatz2606
@charleskatz2606 3 жыл бұрын
Sean This is one I have been waiting for.Another is a head to between the Lyman and Accuphase.Good on ya’!!!!
@charleskatz2606
@charleskatz2606 3 жыл бұрын
Of course that was Luxman
@freiheit6398
@freiheit6398 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant comparison. Thank you, Sean! After your review on the Mofis I went out and bought one (DIY edition directly from Falcon UK). Still have to pair it with an amplifier. Keep it up and have a good Christmas 🌲 time!
@sparkplugspark5987
@sparkplugspark5987 3 жыл бұрын
im thinking about building a set of falcons myself - what cabinet did you use-also was it a difficult build, was there much soldering? thanks
@ceejaydeesoozaa
@ceejaydeesoozaa 3 жыл бұрын
very good comparison. im using an 80s 15 ohm rogers pair. gotta agree. they are not laid back or smooth but with a respectable recording, be it analog or digital, its just heavenly. played a 320kbps rip of pink's glitter in the air through a teac udh01 dac and it made my eyes water with the super realistic vocal reproduction
@petertrout7866
@petertrout7866 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison.
@Scottlp2
@Scottlp2 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this. They were nice 40+ years ago. Hard to believe they are still around. I guess like Maggie’s they do something fundamental well.
@sebastianpolcyn6358
@sebastianpolcyn6358 3 жыл бұрын
It's funny how interesting a comparo of four near-identical speakers can be - nicely done! One thing that strikes me whenever I see LS3/5a type speakers is that they always remind me just how few actual bookshelf speaker there are out there, as in, not standmount speakers but speakers that are purposely designed to sound good in suboptimal listening environments.
@marklawrence4116
@marklawrence4116 3 жыл бұрын
Just a superb job - thank you
@richardherbert3519
@richardherbert3519 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant review. More please
@wprimrose
@wprimrose 3 жыл бұрын
I bought the Sound Artists for my desk setup after watching Sean’s review. Gotta say, am very happy with how they’ve performed.
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
Value for days.
@christakimoto8425
@christakimoto8425 3 жыл бұрын
So did I and I have to say I am very pleased! I was always interested in the LS3/5a sound but wasn't going to spend thousands of dollars to find out. But $600 was in the range I could afford!
@nicksundby
@nicksundby 3 жыл бұрын
You will soon start to miss the bass that is completely absent.
@Bob_Sacamano1975
@Bob_Sacamano1975 2 жыл бұрын
@@nicksundby What? I have the Sound Artist LS3/5A and there is plenty of bass. I think they have a very pleasent , round and warm sound. Not as transparent as the Falcons, but great in their own right.
@markphilpot4981
@markphilpot4981 3 жыл бұрын
I have the ProAc EBTs. They’re fast and articulate. I’ve had them since 87. Still plugging , still great! Like this comparison video. Really let’s you see the range and depth of what was and still is a classic speaker that has a pleasant signature. You do do worse! Stay safe mates!😊👍🏻😷
@peteriliev1503
@peteriliev1503 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Sean, thank you very much for your time and effort put in these excellent reviews. I am wondering if you have had a chance to listen to newer Harbeth P3ESR XD version and what your opinions comparing to standard and anniversary versions are? Are you planning on reviewing the XD version? Thank you very much for getting back :)
@DJJASProductions
@DJJASProductions 3 жыл бұрын
Great review! Hope you get a chance to review the new Wharfdale 12.1
@ALWH1314
@ALWH1314 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, being curious on how this classic speakers sound and confused by the variety.
@FRL2000
@FRL2000 3 жыл бұрын
I am quite happy with Falcon Mofi in my desktop. I don't have deep comparison knowledge in this class, but I'm shocked how great these sound with a well recorded CD source and they also excel for basic computer video/podcast listening. Price is high at $2k although build quality is high to match. I am grateful I can regularly enjoy this little bit of sonic luxury in my home.
@erwinalberda5413
@erwinalberda5413 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sean...i love your channel..ceep up the good works. Of all the reviewers i follow, your soundclips soind the absolute best. How do you accomplish this?
@Raymondey
@Raymondey 3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison! 👍
@Borednlonely
@Borednlonely 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that Sean does this as a hobby only is remarkable. Well done buddy
@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120
@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best ls35a review on the utube platform ! Damg i almost heard them ! 😆
@kimweonill
@kimweonill 6 ай бұрын
I am new in this hobby. I only listen to classical music and I've been auditioning a list of speakers. Today I auditioned Graham Chartwell LS3/5A and it immediately struck me as "this is it". I would even say they were the only speakers I've auditioned that instruments sounded with their unique characters, dynamics and unfolding of music were natural, and the intention of performers were properly heard. I completely agree that they are truly worth auditioning.
@njm1971nyc
@njm1971nyc 2 жыл бұрын
I do love the LS3/5a. "Back in the day" (80s) we had tons of them where I worked, and nobody really "cared" about them...they weren't rare or especially valuable back then. They got tossed around and scuffed up 😭 People I worked with would *constantly* shuttle video tapes with the volume up, burning out the tweeters 🙄 I must have replaced at least twenty KEF T27s. KEF used to take the blown units in part exchange 😄 The good old days. The HMV Megastore was right opposite the road I worked on...spent many a lunch break in there...and they had dozens of white Rogers LS3/5a's hanging from the ceiling. Sounded GREAT. Really helped "sell" the music! I had two pairs of Spendors a couple of years ago, but sold to finance something I needed even more 😕 Must get another pair....but so many choices...and I couldn't live with that hideous badge on the Chinese clones. My god that's ugly! I don't think I'd be happy with anything but a "real" LS3/5a. Anyway, enough of my rambling... xx
@tdunster2011
@tdunster2011 Жыл бұрын
In Australia Rogers ls3 /5a were expensive even in the early to mid 1980's. They were also quite difficult to find as well.
@vinylrules4838
@vinylrules4838 3 жыл бұрын
Great job Sean! A very thorough, useful review. Keep up the great work!
@roberthicks5793
@roberthicks5793 3 жыл бұрын
Got off the review merry-go-round with the Harbeth P3 in Rosewood. No regrets. And the quality of the Rosewood cabinet is an easy tie breaker for me when choosing among these similar sounding speakers. Thanks Sean!
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
Congrats! Agreed. They are stunning in Rosewood.
@skipklauber1162
@skipklauber1162 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This is very helpful
@robertcartwright4374
@robertcartwright4374 Жыл бұрын
There is something special about the sound from small audiophile speakers. Ages ago I was at an audio show, and the most beguiling sound there was in a small room with some Totem model 1s, powered by a small Quad integrated.
@BobTrainor
@BobTrainor Жыл бұрын
Great stuff sean! LS3/5a shoot out. Great concept. Want to add a set to my collection but I’m thinking used to save a couple of bucks. We’ll see. Got to get a pair though. Peace ✌️
@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120
@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 3 жыл бұрын
Dam you good bro ! I researched these speakers deeply why? Because i never owned a ls35a with 33 years of being and Audiophile dam i know i am missing out ! but don't confuse those 33 years of an audiophile with actually reviwing gear i only have 1.5 years expierence with that aspect and thats a whole new world Thanks Sean ! Those Harbeths look clean !!
@locmanw1583
@locmanw1583 3 жыл бұрын
For my bedroom system I decided to with P3ESR standard version. I grabbed the dealer's last pr new in box! BTW there is another guy in a forum who owned XD version and after break in he traded it back in for the standard version.
@net_news
@net_news 3 жыл бұрын
Great comparo bro!
@socratesbsd
@socratesbsd 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a pair of Rogers LS3/5As back in the 80s and still have them. They were astonishingly cheap back then, ~$400 iirc. No, they were never intended to be daily drivers as such, they're too limited in frequency and dynamics. I had another speaker to rock out but the LS3/5As were my first taste of the hi-end, they're so refined
@EnricoAnsaloni
@EnricoAnsaloni Жыл бұрын
The sound that comes out of a LS3/5a speaker is so unique that it brings you into the world of hi-fi... It's the first proper speaker I've listened to and to date It's still my favourite. Of course I listened to bigger and more expensive speakers, like the Martin Logan electrostatic panels that blew me away but still there is something missing from what I got from the LS3/5a... At the time I couldn't afford them so I setttled for a pair of LS4a that retain most of the sound character for a fraction of the price and I still use them today after 33 years...
@davet3804
@davet3804 Жыл бұрын
I have Rogers ls35a and ls4s in my room right now . Both perform well with nad quad exposure amps But with a great amp (NVA) the ls35a goes to a majestic level with nuance that the ls4 just can’t get even close to .
@roquesoprano913
@roquesoprano913 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sean ! 👍
@bartvanransbeeck1341
@bartvanransbeeck1341 2 жыл бұрын
In the early 90ies, we organised a demo with rogers ls3/5a 16 0hm..with krell ksa 50 amp,...cd philips ...and compare with biggest fostex magnetostatics with 30cm bass....in a well damped place, small theater, so at least 200m2....i went 5 minutes out and when returned to the demo i observef: 'oh these big fostexes are so transparent and nice timbre on violins, speakers disapeare so easily..... But i missed , it were the rogers playing!!!! I was so impressed....even as a trained listener for years , hearing plenty high end i my audioshop in brussels...i am curious to hear those gold badges...
@thomasedward2231
@thomasedward2231 3 жыл бұрын
This is really great :)
@trekjudas
@trekjudas 3 жыл бұрын
There's a dealer here in Pittsburgh that sells Harbeth. The first time I heard them after I regained consciousness I vowed that I will own a pair!!! PURE MAGIC!!
@templesoundspercussion2298
@templesoundspercussion2298 3 жыл бұрын
I just bought his last set of Harbeth PSR's in Pittsburgh..store demo open box black version..maybe the ones you heard.. Cheers, TS
@trekjudas
@trekjudas 3 жыл бұрын
@@templesoundspercussion2298 Probably! I was flabergasted the first time I heard them. Not a powerful sound, not bombastic, just BEAUTIFUL!
@templesoundspercussion2298
@templesoundspercussion2298 3 жыл бұрын
@@trekjudas Agreed..smooth and natural sound! Listening to x-mass music on them right now..Alvin and the chipmonks..lol.. Cheers!
@trekjudas
@trekjudas 3 жыл бұрын
@@templesoundspercussion2298 Its more than just smooth. It has a quality to them that's hard to put into words. They aren't laid back and boring they're exciting but ...I would make a terrible audio reviewer!
@perosa99
@perosa99 3 жыл бұрын
@@trekjudas did you hear the P3ESR or the 40th Anniversary version of them?
@stevezeidman7224
@stevezeidman7224 3 жыл бұрын
I’m 67 and been messing with audio since 1970 ish. I’ve heard a lot about these speakers and always wondered about them. But, as you said, they are a lot of Doe Rae Me! The only way I’d ever experience them is if I could find a dealer still in business to listen.
@rlowes
@rlowes 3 жыл бұрын
Nice one Sean, thanks! I’ve been eyeing the little Graham Swisstone LS3s for nearfields. I just love my LS6s for my main stereo, and their LS3/5a are a bit too out of my price range.
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear those LS6's!
@razerblade3121
@razerblade3121 3 жыл бұрын
Random question, but does Paramore sound good on them?
@josephfranceski1041
@josephfranceski1041 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Sean, I really like your comparisons. I was going to get the Harbeth M30.1s until I tried the Buchardt 400 which I love because of the size, weight and frequency range/s. But I love the little Harbeths too. I have heard the Stirling and Graham/Chartwell and base-Falcons, and liked them all. The most underrated is the Stirling, which when properly matched with a good amp are wonderful. Someone is going to have to add the Stirling and Chartwells to this comparison test someday. Or do you think "enough is enough"?
@catalinodatanjr.926
@catalinodatanjr.926 3 жыл бұрын
Great review Sean! Building a desktop sound system I got a pair of Sound Artist LS3/5A and really enjoyed the music I was getting! This got me thinking about the true LS3/5As so I ended getting Falcons Mofi Edition LS3/5As. Wow! the MoFi are at another level! I agree on you comparison of these two speakers. Being desktop or nearfield system I'm using a SET EL84 amp I built and surprised of the music this 2W amp and the LS3/5a is putting out. Now I find I'm spending more time sitting behind the desktop enjoying and rediscovering details in the music! Thanks and keep up the good work!
@markflower8885
@markflower8885 3 жыл бұрын
The most amazing take from this review is that the British government gave a private company (Harbeth) funds so that they could research woofer cone materials. I'm sure other audio companies around the world may have received state funding, although I'm not aware of any, but surely nothing that specific. 😁
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool. I also like how the Canadian government gives companies free access to the NRC to help with design of product.
@yogarl7
@yogarl7 3 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroFidelityYeah, and a lot of bad ass speakers are made there! I have a set of now defunct, Mirage M290's(Canadian made) which I adore!
@socksumi
@socksumi 2 жыл бұрын
In Canada many years ago an expensive anechoic chamber was built in Ottawa by gov't for use by private companies to use as a design tool for their products. And so it has. Many Canadian speaker companies produced many marvelous products that contributed to the success of the Canadian speaker market thanks to this brilliant design facility. Another company... Oracle audio that makes the legendary and beautiful Delphi turntable was reinstated with gov't money after it financially collapsed some years ago. I was surprised but yes it does happen.
@hoangmidoan
@hoangmidoan 2 жыл бұрын
The British government gave money to Wilson Benesch as well, so they could research/produce their first TT. And that when the CD were dominating strongly and everyone forsaw the death of analogue play back.
@bobolaclune2012
@bobolaclune2012 3 жыл бұрын
For a desktop system and perhaps a near field experience, I've had terrific luck with my P3 XD's using the Luxman SQN-150 integrated that you've reviewed before. 12W but I actually had to turn the volume down, fantastic combination IMO
@yannickfrancois9632
@yannickfrancois9632 3 жыл бұрын
I’m looking for the same setup, it will look beautiful 😊 so, can you describe the sound? Is the luxman capable of driving the harbeths?
@bobolaclune2012
@bobolaclune2012 3 жыл бұрын
@@yannickfrancois9632 Absolutely....in an intimate desktop system sitting about 2-3 feet away from the speakers, which sit on Isoacoustics Aperta stands. In an open room on stands? Not sure but it would work if it was a smallish room. Alan Shaw at Harbeth has driven much of the conversation away from tube amps towards SS and maintains a stubborn insistence on 50-100W+ SS amps which my experience refutes, at least to my satisfaction.
@erwinalberda5413
@erwinalberda5413 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply Sean. I know there is no soundclip in this video, but in other gearreviews you often have....and they sound absolute great compared to most other reviewers. So how do you put them in?
@Z-u-m-a
@Z-u-m-a 3 жыл бұрын
Nicely done.
@panoskonstantinidis1950
@panoskonstantinidis1950 3 жыл бұрын
Sean, it would be great if you gave us some recommendations about which amps can drive the LS3/5a (and the P3ESR) better than others. Thanks in advance.
@TH-lo8mq
@TH-lo8mq 3 жыл бұрын
Have you heard the XD yet? I'm curious what you think. I have them on my desk right now, but I've (embarrassingly) never heard the original P3. I've read that the differences aren't that stark, so I just went with the newer model. It took me a while to get used to the less open/detailed sound compared to most speakers, but the smoothness and imaging are on point.
@perosa99
@perosa99 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool video. I am interested in the P3s. I read your answer on how they compare to the 40th Anniversary model. Do you have any experience with the Linn Majik 109s? They are slightly lower in price and I wonder how would you rate them compared to the P3ESR and the LS50 meta.
@roberte.andrews4621
@roberte.andrews4621 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a grandfather now and look back at this long journey - from rainy Saturdays in the basement listening to scratchy 78s with worn needles on a Victrola acoustic wind-up console to discovering high-fidelity audio in the 1950s - as an amazing, if bumpy, ride. I started with an old Victrola, a relic from my grandparent's furniture store in 1940, when Europe was enduring the horrors of war. It's all we had until about 1952, when 33 1/3 rpm long-playing equipment came along. The one lesson I take away from this is that I wish I had saved up and invested in the very best equipment back then, instead of jumping at each sonic "break-through" that came along. But it was a hobby and dabbling with electronics runs in the family. My Uncle Bill Mickel was the first ham radio operator to contact Australia, back in the 1920s. He went on to manage the big 100,000-watt clear-channel station KOB in Albuquerque. During WWII, Uncle Bill repaired electronics on B-29 bombers stationed on Guam. He would be amazed at my audio equipment today, although phonographs and FM transmission haven't changed much since he was alive. Living near a big city affords me the opportunity to hear real, live music and only a large speaker can realistically recreate that experience for me. Sean, I'm glad you acknowledged the important role that the laws of physics play. So many who have never played in a band, nor attended a symphony performance or been down front at a jazz concert don't realize the difference in the dynamics (presence) of live music as opposed to what comes out of a tiny box. Even my big, heavy speakers can't quite approach the realism of actually being there, but they are close. Little speakers and heavily-damped 'acoustic suspension' speakers make the musicians sound like they are around the corner and down the hall to me. There are no dynamics, consequently there is little emotional content. Loudspeakers are devices for setting air in motion. The dimensions of the interface between transducer and the air are as important as the other qualities. Little speakers make small sounds; turned-up they make loud distortion. Period. When I was younger, I didn't know the difference. Many, who use music as a background to something else they are doing (riding an elevator?) will be perfectly happy with small speakers. I was once.
@gerard3797
@gerard3797 3 жыл бұрын
Really love my revealing yet forgiving p3’s. They grow on me with time. Is the Heed Elixir / Abacus DAC combo still your preferred option for desktop use below 3k amp/dac?
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Still an intensely engaging combo for the P3 / desktop use.
@michaelcollins2473
@michaelcollins2473 3 жыл бұрын
I love me some LS3/5a's but I hope that this sort of puts a nail in this topic.
@njm1971nyc
@njm1971nyc 2 жыл бұрын
One other thing...I recently found a previously "lost" gold Spendor badge (from a pair of LS3/5a's I had already sold), in case anyone needs one (for a reasonable price!).
@petermcilroy5742
@petermcilroy5742 3 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks. I have owned a pair of 1990's Spendor LS 3/5a speakers for over 20 years, and whilst I love them to bits, I have definitely learned to avoid albums that are too bright or forward as they can be quite unforgiving. Give them the right well recorded live vocal/instrumental tracks however, and they are utterly beguiling in how they present the music. I recently auditioned a pair of Harbeth P3-ESR XD speakers and after one week (my dealer was very generous!) I have placed an order, and hope to receive them in 3 months from the UK. I can finally play albums that I haven't touched for years, and the detail in the midrange is so much better. I am happy to trade-off the phenomenal detail and "air" around the higher frequencies that I have with my Spendors to gain the broader presentation that the Harbeths give. I have an ancient REL Storm 1 which I use to just subtly fill in the low end and am really looking forward to 20+ years with these Harbeths. What I found fascinating was that when I heard the P3ESRs in the dealers showroom I found them boring and uninvolving, and I nearly didn't bother to take them home. Over a series of days of listening at home, I liked them more and more to the point that I knew they were the right choice.
@twostepped999
@twostepped999 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Peter how do you like the p3esr XD by now? I have an iteration of the falcons but share your annoyance that the top end is too hot. I used to have Harbeth c7 and they were very soggy and rolled off. Is the p3XD the best of both worlds here?
@petermcilroy5742
@petermcilroy5742 2 жыл бұрын
@@twostepped999 I have now had them for quite a while and absolutely love them. I have sold my LS3/5a’s with no regrets. They have a really well balanced sound and my ancient subwoofer is set to just fill in the bottom end subtly. I can listen to a wide range of music now that I just couldn’t before. The timbre of acoustic instruments are phenomenal. Vocals are natural without overemphasis. At the time I also auditioned the M30.2 XDs, and they are also amazing and more detailed at the top end…but they were twice the price. I did like the vocal presentation from the 30.2 more than the P3 but they also presented the soundstage much further forward which I am less keen on. If you have the money they are well worth a listen though as in some ways I still regard the 30.2 as the best of both styles…but very expensive!
@twostepped999
@twostepped999 2 жыл бұрын
@@petermcilroy5742 thanks for your thoughts. I am moving to a small space with neighbors so as much as I would prefer the 30.2 for all of those reasons, it’s probably not the best move. And you are right. What outrageous pricing for all of these including the p3. They do it because they can and people buy. Though I like the idea of dealers, used market becomes more and more viable as time goes on, they will price themselves straight out of business IMO
@jordantewari
@jordantewari 3 жыл бұрын
The black on black loooks good. Nice look
@hifitommy
@hifitommy 3 жыл бұрын
HEY Joe, what are you doin' with that LS3/5a (gun) in your hand? as a former owner of the Rogers LS3/5As in the early to mid 80s, i feel qualified to comment here. i have to say that i am sorry i ever let them get out of my hands but to upgrade to another speaker, i had to sell the current ones. i got exemplary sound when i used them without a sub and not in the near field but on short, back angled stands and an excellent 100wpc SS amp and SS pre. then i thought i would extend the lows using a passive Dahlquist xover with Infinity Monitor Jrs as a sub (flat too 30Hz). no matter how i set the xover point at 60 or 80Hz, the only choices, there would be either a big hump with 80 or a hole at 60. so i got a Dahlquist electronic xover, but the existing 100Hz hump that makes them sound big on their own was distracting. believe me, i worked at it. soooo, they went out for sale and i replaced them eventually with their descendants, the Spendor S3/5s which are flat all the way down to their 60Hz rolloff. with my third in succession sub, the Rythmik sealed servo 12" sub, the Spendors sound magnificent. you should try to get a listen to a Rythmik if you haven't already. a note about the T27 tweeter, they compress at the top of their range which may contribute to the "brightness" you mentioned. but i will say that it never bothered me once with the LS3/5As. my Fried Model RIIs (another of my favorite speakers, which i still own) have the same KEF B110 and T27 and i detect the silvery compression ever so slightly on some material. it could be why you have such a fondness for your Harbeths. i can't bring myself to leave the grills on speakers for listening. they always sound so much more open without them. thr Rogers i had never sounded wrong to me without the grills. exceptions would be Maggies (i have MMGs) and the Vandersteen IIs and IIIs with their sock that is fairly distant from the tweeter itself and the fact that it NOT easy to remove. ...hifitommy
@carlitomelon4610
@carlitomelon4610 3 жыл бұрын
So Sean: Harbeth's Comfy slippers it is then;-) Ever heard the new ProAc Tablettes? I had the original external crossover model. Let them go finally for KEF LS50s last year. I gained richness, scale and imaging is even better. No regrets after 30 years!
@philiprichardson5645
@philiprichardson5645 2 жыл бұрын
Great video again, Sean, & massively helpful to anyone considering purchasing any of these spkrs. If it's not too much trouble, and, from memory, can you (or anyone else) comment on whether the basic (warm) tonality of the std Harbeth p3esr is replicated, to any extent, in the Sound Artist version, as I'm keen on accessing similar tonality at a lower entry point? Finally, although I'm a low volume listener does anyone have any insight into what kind of dB level the Sound Artists will start breaking up at? (Asking as I, obviously, know these ain't party spkrs but am keen to know if they can be turned up a tad, if the mood strikes)? Keep up the good work Sean, and take care, and stay safe, all😀
@readrepairs
@readrepairs 11 ай бұрын
Love the presentation style. Thank goodness no hi-fi speak... brilliant
@mikecees2230
@mikecees2230 3 жыл бұрын
Pipe🗸, slippers🗸, tweed jacket with leather patches on elbows🗸 cup of Earl Grey tea🗸. Time to Rock 'n Roll. But seriously, nice review Sean, now where are the Proac Tablettes? All very desirable but, personally as a purist, I have to rule out the Sound Artists. Wish I still had my original Rogers LS3/5a. Unfortunately, somebody broke into my apartment and stole them back in the 80's.
@williampearson4968
@williampearson4968 3 жыл бұрын
Too bad most of us can't audition these classic BBC bookshelf speakers at a brick and mortar HiFi store before we decide which one to buy😢! Your channel helps to confuse and delineate the sweet spot for a "Best Buy" in each category of affordability for beginners with no money and those of us who can easily afford the $3,000 speaker. I agree that near field brings out the best in my sound aura and 👍👍 for your 10 year choice aka Harbeth!
@kloss213
@kloss213 3 жыл бұрын
The treble rise is also due to the time-alignment being off the tweeters is forward of the woofer in time.
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's partly responsible for the presentation. It's important to note that this can be compensated for in the xover circuit, as demonstrated by the Harbeth P3.
@paulsutcliffe3808
@paulsutcliffe3808 3 жыл бұрын
Good review as always! You need to try the latest Rogers version, I noted your comments on it to another viewer saying it did not compare due to being made in China! Wow! Its made in England, the drivers are made to Whittles exact spec in Asia and further work is done on the drivers in England. Its worth noting that none of the current ls3/5a variants use the original Kef drive units! The crossover and cabinets/grill are made in England and the whole speaker is assembled in the Rogers factory in England! The look and finish of it is in my opinion the best of all the ls3/5a variants, superb! It has just won an award for best speaker in Australia, and there are 2 other outstanding reviews on rogers web page, plus a specially made ls3/5a speaker stand. Check it out please!
@bradhuskers
@bradhuskers 3 жыл бұрын
I just bought the klipsch sixes! Can I share something with you? I used Bluetooth. Listened to the alternate take 1 studio recording of "in the ghetto" by elvis presley. I wept openly, The sound was so detailed and the imaging was like I was right inside the recording studio with the king. I'm still wet in the eyes as I type this review of the klipsch sixes. And I spent 499 with free shipping and no tax. Elvis's otherworldly tone, his baritone was so detailed and crystal clear. The future is powered speakers and DSP. KLIPSCH has a winner here. Strangely enough, these speakers have been out for a few years, but I only found out about them a couple months ago. At first, I was going to buy the newer klipsch fives, but I am not connecting to a smart tv or any tv. I'm strictly using for my music. Anyone else heard the klipsch sixes?
@aleck72
@aleck72 3 жыл бұрын
Would you review any of the Sonus Faber if you havent, I, for one, am very curios to hear your thoughts, I really liked what I heard one time in one of the showrooms (it was a bookshelf)
@markush4227
@markush4227 3 жыл бұрын
Did I saw a pair of Dynaudio confidence 20 in the left corner? :-) very nice! Do you Test them?
@jctai100
@jctai100 3 жыл бұрын
I think those are contours, could be mistaken at that quick a pan shot.
@Cartier_specialist
@Cartier_specialist 3 жыл бұрын
I just purchased a pair of JM Lab Chorus 705 speakers from I'm guessing about 2002 because they aren't Focal they are different from the Focal Chorus 705. For one they are shorter and they have a slot port instead of the round port. They do have the inverted tweeter with a wave guide. So far I really like them but I've really wanted the Harbeths or one of the original LS3/5a but as you mentioned the pricing is insane. That's one advantage of the Sound Artist clones is they can be had for $700 delivered. Not that $700 is an insignificant amount but that's a fraction of all the others.
@templesoundspercussion2298
@templesoundspercussion2298 3 жыл бұрын
I just received my Harbeth P3ESR's and they are nice nice nice! Thx for suggesting them Sean! How the hell do you get the grills off though? They are very tight on there and I dont want to scratch the cabinet.. Cheers, TS
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
Congrats! Use small magnets to get them off easily.
@templesoundspercussion2298
@templesoundspercussion2298 3 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroFidelity Thx Sean!
@louiesipes2257
@louiesipes2257 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Sean. I will stick with my Sierras until they or I die😀 Can’t justify the money just to say I tried. But if I won the lottery or had a stock blow up I would snag a pair in a heartbeat. Peace
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoy em'!
@gaborozorai3714
@gaborozorai3714 3 жыл бұрын
Great review, thanks. Would have appreciated a mention of the Mistrals. Where would you place them in this field? I got one for a secondary system following your glowing review some years back. I am sure they are more solidly built and better veneered than the Sound Artist. Outwardly a near-perfect replica of the real thing. Sounding great too in a near-field setup driven by 2x 12 watts of tubes. But I don't have other LS3/5a's or derivatives to compare to.
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
Mistrals are good for what they are, so enjoy em! Having said that, I do think the Sound Artists do a more complete job of capturing the LS3/5a sound.
@gaborozorai3714
@gaborozorai3714 3 жыл бұрын
Zero Fidelity I understand you are unable to engage in long conversations with all of your viewers but I'll try anyway: I am unsure how to understand your response: if something is closer to the original 50 year old design is one thing, if it is subjectively better is another. So are the Mistrals less good overall than all the speakers here reviewed or just different?
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
@@gaborozorai3714 To keep it short and sweet: In my opinion, the Mistrals aren't as good as the speakers listed here. So does that mean you should rush out and buy a pair of Sound Artists? To me, the answer is no. I think the next logical step would be to buy a set of bonafide LS3/5a's (or one its deviations like the P3's). Going used will ease the burden on the wallet. And if that's not an option, my advice would be to sit back and enjoy what you have. They're still fine speakers for the buck!
@gaborozorai3714
@gaborozorai3714 3 жыл бұрын
Zero Fidelity Thanks a lot. No, I hardly use this setup, wouldn't be worth upgrading. I was just curious. I have just found the positioning where they sound best: sitting close to the back wall where bass is strong enough but not bloated and the speakers in free space 5 feet from the listening position.
@simonirvine1628
@simonirvine1628 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting view, real shame you did not have the Rogers to compare. Next time maybe
@donaz1500
@donaz1500 9 ай бұрын
Io possiedo le Falcon Ls3/5 Gold Badge, 15 Ohm. Sono diffusori incredibili con, tanta sapienza , e unici nel loro genere! Meritano solo grandi applausi 👋
@charleskatz2606
@charleskatz2606 3 жыл бұрын
Kind of surprised you didn’t mention the LS50 as an off shoot not too distant relative of the 3/5.But enjoyed this
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
Don't have any on hand. Plus, this is more focused on the LS3/5a's and their direct cousins.
@Toki1908
@Toki1908 3 жыл бұрын
Dude great comparison.
@hushpuppykl
@hushpuppykl 3 жыл бұрын
The Falcon Gold Badge sounds very much like the new Rogers LS 3/5a Classic.
@andykerass3695
@andykerass3695 3 жыл бұрын
I have kef concertos which sound great to me, just wondering how different the ls3/5a's are? Obviously the bass is different... ☺
@jlmain5777
@jlmain5777 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome review. Super throughout.
@robh9079
@robh9079 3 жыл бұрын
btw; Falcon usually have a 10% off everything sale New Year time (or was it boxing day and they are not having one this year??)
@altontakata4402
@altontakata4402 3 жыл бұрын
Sean says, " I'm not sure if anyone of you got anything out of it" . Sean , Your listening experience show your confidence in your reviews/descriptions/thoughts. Your videos are well done all the time. Thanks... :)
@barneyjones5174
@barneyjones5174 3 жыл бұрын
A review of the Danish on the left soon?
@simonjones8111
@simonjones8111 Жыл бұрын
The Rogers LS3/5a used KEF T27 and B110 tweeter/squawked. Ace little speaker.
@jamessheard5498
@jamessheard5498 3 жыл бұрын
Great review although would of been nice to see the Pro Ac's in there too
@leodesforges161
@leodesforges161 Жыл бұрын
Although its not an official LS3/5a, I'd like to give props to the XSA Labs Vanguard speaker. It's $995 and voiced to sound like the "real thing", albeit with a bit more bass extension (it still has minimal bass below 60ish htz). I have mine in a near/midfield set up in a tiny room (well treated) with an 8" sub and am floored by the imaging, and midrange quality. The way it handles vocals is stunning, especially in certain tracks where the center image is dead on and locked in. Certain tracks are spooky how close to me the singer gets. This lends itself to being a great instrument speaker as well. Jazz and classical are great, the sub is very helpful here. It is a bit thin in the "sparkle" department. Soundstage is limited by my room, but it certainly goes wall to wall and given the right source material touches on 3d/holographic/wrap around effects. Dynamics are solid and it can deal well with big passages, within reason. Pairs well with cheaper class D amps. Recommended!
@simonirvine1628
@simonirvine1628 3 жыл бұрын
I feel that they are designed to be listened at about a meter to 75cm.... They are for nearfield monitoring, that's what they were made for. Best result is, have two office panels together or something similar up against the wall then pop your desk in and have them about 10cm from the panels, get panels with acoustic foam panels. It's about getting rid of the reflections coming back in, plus reducing low end disturbance. By having office panels they have a wood based material in the middle and when having 2/3 of them it helps with bass trapping, remember, there small monitor and designed for near field listening. The 70's
@sadge9697
@sadge9697 3 жыл бұрын
Guttenberg recently reviewed the Vienna Acoustics Hayden Jubilee and said something about it reminded him of the LS3/5a. Have you heard this speaker? Any thoughts on Vienna Acoustics in general?
@ZeroFidelity
@ZeroFidelity 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard the Jubilee, but I spent some time with the Grand Hayden and a few others. Nice speakers. In my experience, they are great with acoustic, classical, jazz, and folk. So-so with rock, metal, pop, electronic, rap etc..
@sadge9697
@sadge9697 3 жыл бұрын
@@ZeroFidelity Thanks, Sean. Great review, as always!
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