Except for the fact that John Pattitucci wrote these songs! Oh and Vinnie totally blew it that night with his performance of "Spaceships". The drum solo at the beginning of the song was overplayed and without taste, he was noodling live. He continued this all through the song. No development, just turned that dial all the way to 100 percent. The recorded version of Spaceships makes much more sense composition-wise.

That's in interesting observation. I was listening to the introduction to Spaceships, thinking that actually there are very few musicians on earth now or at any time who come close to Vinnie. Patitucci is obviously a superb player but once you've heard him a few times, you kind of have the measure of him. I enjoy his playing, but I seldom find him surprising. On the other hand, I've heard Vinnie take a 45 minute drum solo and never repeat himself...and then do another one that is totally different. That is a profoundly different level of creativity from most musicians. If you think of Bach being able to improvise a fugue in 4 parts on a given subject off the top of his head, or Mozart knocking off a set of variations on Twinkle Twinkle, (blindfold while drunk at a party!),, or Art Tatum taking 20 choruses of Blue Moon, each of which is unique, then you're in Vinnie's ballpark. It's not that there aren't a lot of brilliant musicians, only that there are a few whose particular combination of attributes seems to give them an almost superhuman ability. It's worth remembering that Bach said that anyone who worked as hard as he did could do what he did, and Vinnie is a legendarily obsessive practicer and has been for most of his life. Couple that with playing daily with the best players in the world for decades and you start to have some understanding of how it's possible, but that only takes you so far. "Genius" is a vastly overused and chronically misunderstood word. It's a word we should use with care and, in my experience, an extremely rare phenomenon, but I do think it applies to Vinnie. Brilliant though he is, I'm not sure it applies to John P.

Today… Is Upright playing is mostly what I’m talking about. Vinnie Really play some beautiful things on all of John’s records

@@musopaul5407 Soloing is not the only criteria we can compare if John is on the same level as Vinnie or not. Still, sfter 3 decades i still haven`t found a bass player that plays such tasteful (but also techcnically driven) solos on 6 string bass and upright bass with such an impeccable tone, unmatched even 30 years later. His bow technique is also very good which makes him an even rarer breed without even dipping into his solo career as a composer and band leader. It`s not just the ability to improvise that makes him on the same level as Vinnie, it`s all of the abovementioned, especially considering that Vinnie`s solo discography contains only one ( very good) album compared to John`s 15+ albums, all of which are very good.

@@stratrovarius That's a fair point. John is a far more prolific composer and more of a band leader than Vinnie. I also agree that Pattitucci is a really great bass player, incredibly versatile on both electric and double bass and a serious virtuoso. I just don't believe that as a player, he's the same as Vinnie. That's not to say Vinnie is a "better" musician. I don't think being a great musician is necessarily allied to being a great player. I simply think that Vinnie's skill-set is of a once-in-a-generation type. I went to Berklee in the 80s. One night I went to see Vinnie play at Ryles in Cambridge, on a gig sponsored by Rick Beato, then a lowly guitar student at NEC (I think). They were playing charts by Aydin Esen, an incredible Turkish pianist. It was all meter changes, weird hits and polyrhythms. They were really hard and I knew some of them because my teacher at the time, Ed Uribe, himself no slouch as a drummer, played in a band with Aydin playing his music. Vinnie's plane from LA had arrived late and he was sight-reading on the gig. He had the charts on the floor. On the first head, he read them as good as Ed ever played them; by the last head, he wasn't even looking at the charts any more and played around these figures flawlessly, like he'd been doing them his whole life! I've played with a lot of great musicians and listened to many more, but I've never seen anything like that.

@@musopaul5407 Thank you for this detailed answer and inside story. Vinnie`s sight reading is well known since his Zappa days. There is a video of Steve Vai telling a joke (yet a true story) about this. Anyways, they sure both make a dream rhythm section: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/astxqLxpyNrIYp8.html

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You know most peak and they have their signature licks....Vinnie doesn't milk anything....He keeps saying something new.....He truly speaks the language in a profound way.... He has reached another level on this Brian Eisenberg tune.... This is incredible! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNqGptN7lqzOfKc.html

Yea but he lost his feel

@@mikehawk9461 and this one with Brian Eisenberg kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNqGptN7lqzOfKc.html

eduard John petrucci for sure is better

@@gunhoe34 they dont even play the same instrument

They should jam!

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SWAN RIDER you mean the lick? Also check out 5:16 then 😆

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