If I were a nurse, I would have absolutely no problem with CCTV.

Yes, absolutely they should have cctv in all departments, and care homes. I don't see why anyone would have an issue with it unless they have something to hide.

Yep I believe you can be born without empathy. We live in a very messed up World

I am shocked there weren't CCTV cameras to begin with. These are very young and fragile children who need protection at all costs.

“ Deliver us from Evil”… yes, evil does exist and this nurse is evil incarnate.

I think it’s a combination of environmental and intrinsic factors. For example, a person could be born with certain traits that makes them more susceptible these types of behaviour.

CCTV should be definitely be in baby units there’s no question about it. It would of definitely prevented letby and those babies would of been here today

I work in a mental health hospital and there’s CCTV all over the hospital except for the actual patient’s bedrooms. All communal areas are videoed and if anything happened in a bedroom there’s audio that will be picked up but not visual footage

Should be cameras the parents can watch the babies from home

There are much more evil people out there. We already know this type of evil exists.

Well Good Luck for her in prison that's all I'm saying. She will most likely regret of doing what she did because she won't be welcome with open arms. She will have a very hard time in prison! So Karma will be served!

Rip 🙏 all babies and my heart goes to family's aswell 😢

Letby is so very much lucky even after an entire life span tariff ! No ones thinking about how much she is going to cost the Prison System per day !

As a retired nurse, this disturbs me. It takes A special nurse to work NICU.....I did not.....but I worked ICU. Hospital work is intensive. I thought all NICU'S had cameras. That's disturbing also

Cctv should be in all health and social care settings, schools to, only way when people high up are more worried about reputation or their jobs, its awful

There are cameras at every point in my workplace, the only place there isn't is the toilet and some points in the staff room and that is just an office and a reception area.

I think she had an undeniable hatred for the families and was extremely jealous of them. Maybe she couldn't have children herself. Maybe she had a series of failed relationships and was losing hope of becoming a mother and experiencing family life herself. For her to see a close, happy family with their little one, secretly made her angry and made her blood boil. She wanted others to feel pain and go through inner turmoil. She expresses some of her thoughts and feelings on paper. She hated herself, but knowing that others were suffering gave her some peace in some warped kind of way. I doubt we will ever know the true reason why she did what she did. Only Lucy Letby holds the answers to this.

Psychology evaluation and CCTV should be mandatory.

CCTV is a must. It's obvious we cannot trust the NHS to care for babies

The views of the patient are important. I think were I to be a patient it is outlandish

Nobody is born evil, its the environment where people grow up that shape them into what they are

How many CCTV cameras have we got in this country......... it can't be the answer everytime something terrible happens.

I think no nurse/doctor should ever be left alone with a patient, for their safety as well as the patient’s. It will protect against any false allegations and hopefully anything as tragic as what Letby did.

It would be interesting to hear from her parents. Hopefully now she has life in prison she admits her guilt and explains why she did this. Unsure why she left the post it's in her house when she knew she was under surveillance

I totally agree, cctv where the babies are should have been done a very long time ago. how anyone could kill something so innocent is beyond a vile monster, she should have been sentenced to death, they definitely need the death penalty for these types of people.

Its not just about the staff. Why should patients' privacy be invaded because the people who run hospitals allowed a lunatic murderer to run wild.

Computers are the answer, I worked on the ward where we had to get all our medications dispensed by a computer and it had the patients name and all their medication doage, the comouter only allow me access to the dosage on the medication chart, I couldn't get any extra doses without a second nurse approval and two nurses signing the medication chart. We also had smart phones and we scaned the patients wrist band, it tracked the mediction patient needed and the medication they had so it was hard to make a mistkae or get extra doses with the computer system. This was not in the UK but not all hospitals have this system some hospitals say they fefuse because it is too expensive but all hospitals should be computerised. Some medications you can't give without two people loging into the computer. I agree with CCTV in the corridors, drug room, nurses station which many hospitals already have but in areas where patients get naked is pushing it a bit

Forgiveness does not let anyone off the hook... it sets your own soul free.... what happened here was undoubtedly despicable....

They should install CCTV now because of this terrible situation.

I work as a hca looking after children and have no problem with cctv. ❤ if it protects little ones x

Yes you can be born Evil. Sometimes it shows itself early on and other times it comes out when you're older but I definitely believe a person can be born Evil. I've come across a few over the years.

There are plenty of people born psychopathic, ie lacking the ability to empathise, who go on to become successful accountants and engineers without killing anyone. The idea of someone being born evil is irrelevant, its how you choose to live that counts.

No one born evil but while growing and maturity you develop this concept through evil actions and thoughts especially around the environment you latched unto Starting with your family

I will agree with CCTVs. this is not just for the nurses and other staff but I think for abusive patients as well

People saying yes to cctv but problem is in hospitals u can just draw curtains and u need to have privacy

No, you can’t born as a evil person. If people become evil they choose their own actions, it can be bad trauma issues etc. Evil is not born, they’re made by life experience. Look at villain background story in the movies. They were good once because of betray, environmental issues they become an villain. Even psychopaths aren’t that evil that media portray them. To become evil, it needs to be severe trauma, a trigger response that you snap. People need to educate more about this topic…..All serial killers came from abusive environmental issues. Read a book people…..

Then they will have to investigate every other hospital dept where Doctors DNAR individuals without their consent and without a mental capacity assessment. Or those Doctors who put people Nil By Mouth who are not end of life and Nurses who follow those unlawful instructions. It's rife within the NHS, these hospitals are killing people every day and it's no accident. How about the Nurse whose husband was admitted to hospital with Pneumonia and because he wasn't jabbed they sedated him after he tried to leave 5 times. Drugged him so badly he couldn't defend himself. Wouldn't let her see him because of "the virus" and then put him on Nil By Mouth when his stats became low because of all of the sedation they were pumping into him. She got all of the hospital notes and evidence and the Coroner and Police refused to investigate. Criminal. So when they show you a case like this and make a big thing of it, as tragic as it is that babies have died (no autopsies done), you have to ask, "what are the Government trying to gain from this". Because they definitely don't care about us.

When I gave birth coming up for 16 years ago now - I was told by my community midwife (with a life time of experience - maybe 45 yrs?) not to let the baby out of my sight in hospital, not even for a quick 2 minute shower, make sure dad is around to help so one of you is always with the baby. It's only now I really get this. Perhaps it should be hospital policy that a parent never leaves the baby's side?

I hope she gets what she deserves in prison.

The media around this case is ridiculous and almost as disturbing as the case itself. Babies have died tragically and the media plunders it like vultures. Just stop.

You've got to feel for HER parents too! She's made victims of them too! But I think they are the forgotten victims. What this woman did was incomprehensible!

I was amazed to find out CCTV wasn't on kids wards anyway.

No one is born evil. The environment needs to be reviewed. Parents don't like to accept that sometimes they need to be responsible for whatever the child experienced negatively

The idea of installing cctv is silly. Doctors had already identified Letby as problematic after the first 3 murders, 8 years ago. It was still them that demanded she should be removed from the unit eventually. The nurses also understood something was off from VERY early on. Basically the entire unit knew without the need of CCTV. The problem here is the higher management. They seem very detached. Far removed from what's going on on the ground.

Was she an indulged and spoilt child? Got away with lying, bossing, manipulating her parents, poor behaviour etc., when she was little maybe and was brought up to believe she was the most adorable child ever to be born? Always the focus of her parent's attention? I'd say she's narcissistic at the very least.

Cctv in baby units just not in maternity wards. As I know I definitely don't want anyone watching me give birth ha

I don’t think she can explain it. It’s as if she is demon possessed. Not to give her an excuse but most serial killers have a personal benefit. What was hers? Killing random people’s newborns. Why?

Very harrowing video - of course we need CCTV in every neonatal unit, and everywhere in the NHS Hospital system where there are vulnerable patients like babies that can’t speak up for themselves. Also we do need NHS managers to come under the same medical codes of conduct and accountability that doctors and nurses have - currently they have none. In fact the management covered up for Lucy Letby when she was murdering babies, having a very likely affair with a married registrar with no thought of his wife or children, removing medical records to be illegally stashed at her home, and stalking grieving families on Facebook on the anniversary of their babies deaths. Lucy Letby has correctly summed herself up in her own words as “I AM EVIL I DID THIS” - a truly evil woman. So soon after the nurse Beverley Allitt murders of babies, there needs to be a full judicial public enquiry and police investigation so these horrible crimes never happen again...😢

Also if cctv camera hospital and care home but the tape room, people had watch when people change clothes see the nake body the patients and old people but need private in something What they will do with patients?

I think gender is irrelevant. Anyone can do bad things. She was just evil. Gender is irrelevant 😢😢 and woman do murder look at myra Hindley, rose west ect.beverly allit? It's not unique. I just hope she suddenly realised and has empathy in the end.

yes

Taking away any form of life is unspeakable because that individual has a family and friends that love them and your act of violence no matter what the reason has not only destroyed their life but so many others too! Actions will always have consequences!

When the woman said the hospital turned a blind eye to signs of Lucy murdering the baby's because they didn't want there reputation ruining thats evil with in its self and those people should go to prison aswell as Lucy because there just as responsibile as her for not stopping her sooner , and also there hospital is all over the news and Internet now , they should of spoken out sooner and stopped her sooner , I feel so sorry for the poor parents , tragic so sad , imagine the damage its done to the parents , thankgod Lucy letbys been stopped before she carried on killing others

Absolutely.

People always seem normal on the outside and that goes the same for both parents and the children. My father is a retired psychiatric social worker. My brother is mentally ill with violent tendencies. My father encourages my brother in be violent towards me. My father witnesses his aunt being locked into a basement. He makes false reports that I am abusing my brother to "justify" his violence towards me. And the St. Anns Psychiatric Hospital's Medical Director does not want to explain why her staff does not at least ensure that my brother is medicated. There are rumours that drugs are stolen by staff and not given to the patients. This is Trinidad and Tobago. The people who cover up things like this look normal. All the doctors who covered for her look normal. Just like my biological dad and the medical director.

I dont give much for her chances in the nick.

Place cameras on all Nurses units and sounds

Oh and I'd love to know if she had pets and if so, how did she treat them?

Perhaps CCTV could have saved Lucy from false accusations. Think about it. There was a huge increase in unexplainable deaths, while Lucy was convicted for a minority of them. What caused the other deaths? If they were natural, what caused the spike in them? So much does not make sense, this is only one of those things.

Does anyone know if this individual has decent parents have They studied her upbringing her ancestors & any history of crimes of this nature in her ancestry. ? Did she give any reason why she had these impulsive actions? At times some of these serial killers say that they were hearing voices ? I am from the US so I don’t think we have much information about the case on this side.

Well as it stands she is sat in jail being convicted with very little evidence if any evidence at all . Now shows like this will call her a serial killer, bearing in mind there is no direct evidence she did anything at all , infact she was sentenced on very spurious claims . I think this could be a massive miscarriage of justice. Im not convinced she did anything wrong at all . Im not convinced the jury got this right . With the pathetic evidence they had to judge her on .

Details of all deaths and unexpected, unexplained or suspicious occurrences throughout the medical profession should be recorded in a national database, along with the names of those on duty at the time. A relatively simple computer algorithm would identify the kind of pattern we see in this case (whereby Letby was present for every single death/incident ) likely much sooner than the suspicions of co-workers were aroused and/or acted upon. This system would also flag up death/incident rates that were significantly higher than the norm, and have the added benefit of effectively tracking medical workers across different medical establishments. As soon as pre-determined threshold is reached, this should trigger an immediate, independent investigation. This method would reduce the dependency on co-workers to notice and subsequently air their suspicions, and take the decision to investigate out of the hands of executives. It should be a legal obligation to supply all this information. Had such a system been in place years ago, Harold Shipman's crimes would have been discovered much, much earlier.

If a person murders anyone and it's proven without doubt. I believe they should be given the death penalty. No rehabilitation just lets have a safe world for everyone. Does anyone agree with me.

CCTV for sure

It will be left to her inmates to deliver the correct judgement

Is almost like she wanted to be the only child. Honestly she is crazy and don’t bother analysing crazy. Hope she never ever gets to sleep and is always haunted by her crimes

CCTV on all nicu wards

How can you work in healthcare and social care and do this these people are dependent on our support as workers I wouldn’t even be rude to someone I’m support never mind this

Invasion of privacy? The access to those videos would be limited.

Lucy's childhood experiences, particularly during her own infancy, pre and perinatal through to now must be investigated. The business model and underfunding/money throwing at execs etc not trained in medicine is destroying the NHS. Care and health from top to bottom must be reinstated, people including politicians must be held to account. Lucy's crimes speak of dissociation resulting from trauma. Probably well hidden, out of Lucy's control, out of conscious rational memory, (of herself and certainly those around her and need proper investigation.

Just wonder why the father didn't go to the front door and does judge goss realise that her father is anxious about buggery

You would have to firstly prove evil existed before answering this question.

I can't talk about genetic coding, but there is enough psychological research to be able to conclude this much. Evil people usually have a personality defect that's been crafted by various means, ie, abuse or trauma, or and both. Ie, my father was a hard working responsible worker, dad and husband, until he had a horrific accident, endured multiple painstaking treatments, that involved long hospital stays. After the accident he became a drunk, extremely abusive, nasty, and he neglected my mum and us children bady. The medications, operations, psychological, emotional and physical injuries messed with his head sadly. Interestingly, I do believe that narcicism was already in him, born from his trauma from abuse and neglect as a baby and child. Narcicism is a made psychological and psychiatric impairment, and it layed dormat in my dad, until his life threatening injuries bought his personality traits to the fore. My mom was neglected and abused since birth, but she was an angel. Some act out their abuse, and some get lucky, and make it through unscathed. It's just the way the dice rolls I guess?

I don’t believe anyone is born evil - circumstances make you the way you are - what she did is disgusting but to say someone is BORN evil is disgusting as well

I do think some people were born evil. That's just my opinion.

Yes body cams!!! Just like police If you have the power to kill others in your profession then you need to be watched thoroughly

No-one is born evil. But we have moral choice and some choose to become evil.

Every country, state and territory worldwide should have CCTV by law! It should be a global cooperation.

One odd thing is that after she came under suspicion, the attacks escalated. Even if management were protecting her, she still had the suspicious eye of colleagues on her and as a histrionic person you'd expect that to effect her. If she was innocent she would have been terrified to look after babies, except to prove they were safe. An innocent person would be terrified that any baby under their care might deteriorate or die. But the attacks escalated and she wasn't attacking them in order to save them to 'prove' herself to be a good nurse after all. The babies were being murdered. And she did have a conscience. Her frenetic notes show that. They show guilt, self recrimination, empathy for her parents.... I think she had a fascination with sadism and with exploring her own evil, her own inner darkness. She found that she enjoyed it, found it satisfying. In no way were the murders and attacks her parents fault. They sound like lovely parents. Only Letby herself was responsible for the deaths (and management, partly). But clearly she felt suffocated, also by their belief that she was a perfect person. She likely battled having to be that perfect person, to please them, with being secretly imperfect. She attempted the facade of perfection with everyone I think while also becoming fixated with how horrible she might be. She began to enjoy being secretly horrible. Perhaps the attacks escalated because she could take no more of the pressure of keeping up the facade of being perfect. She wrote the note and escalated because she was ready to destroy 'perfect Lucy' forever. Clearly she hated herself to an extreme. But there was real sadism - a fixation with the pain of others - the agony of grieving parents attracted her like a moth to a lamp. Sadism requires empathy - the ability to understand and feel what another person is thinking and feeling, but its a dark empathy, where pleasure is ignited instead of compassion. Its a common error to assume that sadists cannot empathise or that empathy always indicates compassion. Empathy can be a dark tool in the wrong hands. And to choose sadistic murders of babies as a means to liberate herself means there was some personality disorders involved. I would guess histrionic disorder combined with sadism. She probably doesnt fit any disorder in the DSM.

And they should definitely have cctv in the baby units 100% because baby's are the most vulnerable and can't defend themselfs

She was just a sadistic psychopath.

What is her history? Especially in relationships. What an evil woman.

I believe she's innocent she was charged on circumstantial evidence.

The care system is horrible, she started murdering in 2015 I read

The other thing is she was still in her 20's......I have never seen a charge type nurse in NICU? I could care less how educated she was.

I get the cctv point but why are we hiring nhs staff that can’t be trusted? When it comes to doctors nurses police officers there should never be bad apples there can’t afford to be but unfortunately from my experience narcissists are normally attracted to these kind of jobs also with managerial roles. Society is the problem.

It's in her name.

What is the motive? There is a certain sense of control this type hopes to attain, not joy or happiness from such crime. Why did she/they want that control? They see a vulnerability in them selves. They hope to be invulnerable. How you read your world comes from interactions in life. A parent may have certain view, a community may have certain odd view, a close lover may too have strange world view. We accept it as our own. You can not contest that odd world view with a certain type. They are too fixed in their opinion and assessments.

the NHS has been getting away with negligence and poor care for years. What about all the people who were killed during covid 19? don’t know why these lot were clapped, they should be held accountable!

I work in childcare n the place I work with cctv n I have no problem with it

Is there more lucy special healthcare

Karma will catch up with her most likely

You can really hear the hosts lips make sounds when she talks, a little off putting.

The Gallows...

These doctors tried to go through the correct channels to report this psycho nurse but management clearly did not have any sense which is why the police should have just been called from the start and all of their names should have been dropped from the establishment who were holding back on safeguarding. The minute safeguarding turns criminal then it’s a police matter and these hospital bosses are not above the law.

I don't believe that you are born evil .I do believe tho some people are damaged emotionally probably from a very early age perhaps 15 months onwards and cannot in any way be corrected by the self in a way to live a life without some sort of resurrection of the past eruptions coming to play out in some bizarre horrible incidents most emotionally damaged people are sad lonely withdrawn within themselves people who go from one crises to the next without any idea what a total mess they can't get out from until they are put in a completely different environment

I feel really uncomfortable with this news story being used as entertainment all over the media. It’s capitalising on the huge grief of those parents. Yes the story should be covered and any lessons to come from it should be shared but this relentless coverage feels very unnecessary. It’s starting to turn into some sort of spectator sport which I find really disturbing.

This is what happens when you bring them over here in our country and take advantage. We even let them in our NHS. I'm sick of them coming over. Shut the boarders...

I feel like we are tarring all nurses the same this is so rare out of millions of health care professionals to now film them constantly i dont no

Acting like every nurse and doctor is a killer 🙄 This is a one in a million situation for gods sake.