I'll tell you why we've never heard of them. There's far fewer major female composers and most recent discoveries are second rate composers. Few exceptions but there were some outliers who are really first rate: Fanny Mendelssohn is an example, as is Amy Beach and Lili Boulanger. Other female composers tend to be second rate but still good (Clara Schumann, Emilie Mayer, Mathilde Kralik von Meyrswalden, Laura Netzel, Louise Farrenc, or Luisa Le Beau).These fall into the same category as good second rate male composers (Hummel, Moscheles, Spohr, Moszkowski etc.) and are worthy to have a listen to purely based on the merit of their music alone. But due to feminism even trivial salon music composers like Maria Szymanówska and Alma Mahler have been resurrected. Or even Belle van Zuylen (who was a dilettant who wrote fourth rate knock-off Haydn-esque piano music, she was much more talented as a literary figure and gained her fame because of that) However, note that males are overrepresented by far among second and third rate classical composers too - as are modern male musicians far more likely to write their own material than females. Worked in electronic music for almost 20 years. Female DJs have an easier time landing gigs but males tend to be the ones who lock themselves up behind FL Studio for 30 hours a week. All these result from sexual dimorphism. Women are, on average, more agreeable, less aggressive, and more interested in people vs. things rather than vice versa, and have higher impulse control and higher trait neuroticism, than men. There is more overlap than difference in most of these categories, but succesful composers tend to fall in the outliers of these divisions which are very heavily skewed towards male overrepresentation. Women also have similar average intelligence as men but there are marked sex differences in distribution of intelligence, with greater male variability (= more retards yet also more geniuses) The typical composer has outlier high intelligence, is stubborn, and is a major geek who doesn't mind seclusion and tinkering with notes on staff paper for hours and hours each day, and has low enough neuroticism to thrive in an extremely competitive (and therefore often outright hostile and back-stabbing) industry. And having the cojones to be radically different and either break with conservative tastes or push back against current modernist trends (Wagner and Beethoven vs. Brahms or J.S. Bach, the former being radicals, the latter highly technically innovative yet stilistically conservative). Far more men than women meet these criteria. If a man and a woman are equally musically gifted but the man has more interest in things than in people and the other way around for the woman (which is typical), how would that play out in practice? Chances are the woman will spend more time doing chamber music and/or singing in a choir which automatically goes at the expense of other musical pursuits such as composition. She may very well become a more rounded musician because of it, but not a major composer, this requires toiling away in seclusion for hours a day. And then it also requires better coping with negative emotion, and being aggressive (being driven is nothing more than aggression channelled non-violently) to rise to the top. Men are way more likely to hit rock bottom in life than women but also more likely to reach dazzling heights because of all these factors and music composition is just one example.

Tout cela est très juste ! Une très belle oeuvre en effet .

This would make an amazing film theme, indeed...

indeed, the only problem in the way is the unfortunately still existing gender discrimination within the ultra-conservative classical music industry... :-( there are some absolutely fantastic initiatives by great, but lesser known musicians and lots of smaller organisations etc... but there is a massive lack of help from the very top- which is a shame... but it´s reality that only very few or even hardly any "big super stars", famous Festivals, important concert halls etc. contribute to a positive change... I hope that one day more equality will exist within the "classical music world" too... it is waaaaaay more behind than the rest of society... which is a big shame... because I strongly believe that the "classical music world" actually could be a role model and thriving force regarding more equality for the rest of society! :-)

I actually did play Le Beau´s cello sonata on my final Master´s exam concert in the year 2013... looooots of heavy, tiresome discussions or even fights were necessary until I finally got the permission to play it... the first comments of the exam jury were statements like "what a nice piece- but way too easy for a Master´s exam"... THIS were comments which until today I´ve NEVER EVER gotten to hear when I´ve been playing compositions by male composers... apart from that I think it´s absolutely not good to judge a piece of music whether it is "difficult" or "easy" to play....

Manca una vera cultura musicale.

@@MagdalenaAdlberger Vielen Dank für Ihre interessanten, kenntnisreichen Beiträge. Ich bin fasziniert von der Vitalität dieses Konzerts. Immerhin, Louise Adolpha Le Beau war eine Frau, die als Musikerin jahrzehntelang durchhielt und nicht resignierte.

merci Robert pour ces info sur une compositrice totalement inconnue...

Robert pc libre grand merci pour l information. Une autre oeuvre merveilleuse parmi tant d autres si peu jouées et aux versions assez inaccesibles.

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Indeed

I SECOND the Motion....Unknown...even unexpected!

Gracias. He seguido su sugerencia. Me ha gustado mucho. Y tiene usted razón; un concierto muy hermoso.

Bravissimo,il commento esatto,lo ascoltato è un gioiello 💎

:)

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Thanks for that!

Maybe you could contact Furore! furore-verlag.de/ I´m not sure about the piano concerto, but they already published a lot of her other works within the past years. They are in any case always very kind and supportive! :-)

Sie haben Recht.... tolle Musik! so schön!

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No sorry, can't help you.

One cannot play a concerto alone... there are the decisions of a conductor and program director to consider. As lovely as this is, because most do not know the names of the women composers who were overlooked in the past, their names will not sell tickets. It would take a director who would in essence look at Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, and the other big names as workhorses: "Gentlemen, it is now time for us to be just that, and make room for the other half of humanity to be heard." This concerto could open for one of Beethoven's -- it would pair well with his fifth concerto (because I can hear late Beethoven in Le Beau here). So, one has the Beethoven/Le Beau ticket -- Beethoven will sell it, Le Beau will be heard, and carry on that way for TEN YEARS until Le Beau has enough hearers and fans so there is interest by other conductors and directors. But that is what it would take. Make no mistake: the thing about discrimination is that it self-perpetuates, and the longer it takes to push against it, the harder it will be. Kuhlau Dilfeng has opened a big door here ... but it will take much more pushing...

@@hymnodyhands yes, most conductors also are playing very known pieces . The curiousity disappeared ...

@Arturo’s Michelangeli You assume a bit much about "our feelings," even... classical music has place TWO even with me as an African American, not least because I will NOT allow for any pretense at European superiority to the rest of the world's music, particularly not as the heir of the Negro Spiritual. A great deal of the rejection of classical music is the far harder rejection of the automatic imposition of inferiority on every other type of music... the conversation will have to change for classical music to have all the allies it can.

occultation systématique...si vous pensez que je suis fille de musiciens professionnels et ai découvert les compositrices il y a 2 ou 3 ans en circulant sur youtube et j'ai 60 ans ! j'en ai écouté de la musique ! meme jamais pensé: "mais......n'y a t-il jamais eu de femmes qui ont composé" ? un très fort conditionnement pèse sur tous...en vérité femmes et hommes. L'histoire de l'Art est en vérité à réécrire. Mais si ce ne sont que les hommes qui font ce travail nous n'obtiendrons pas grand-chose...C'est une musicologue qui devrait s'atteler à ce travail...je suis sure que cela aurait du succès...en fait il y a une attente latente que quelqu'un devrait recueillir et satisfaire. Alors on saurait que le romantisme n'est pas né comme ça, tout d'un coup avec Chopin, mais qu'il était déjà là à Paris avec Hélène de Nervo, dans certaines de ses merveilleuses Etudes. (voir étude 112 je crois avec Stavy Nicolas); on connaitrait la forme du quatuor encore toute jeune et libre, avant que Haydn n'en fixe les formes, avec Maddalena Lombardini Sirmen et beaucoup d'autres choses...mais il faudrait un esprit plus ouvert et plus généreux..ce que les hommes ne manifestent pas volontiers envers les femmes quand il s'agit de création...

il y a un livre qui a recensé les compositrices et que vous pouvez lire en ligne, et qui est assez intéressant : archive.org/stream/lesfemmescomposi00ebel/lesfemmescomposi00ebel_djvu.txt

noorvensen merci ! je vais regarder...

C'est vrai!

Male composers may have been favored back in her time, but your use of the present tense disturbs me.

find me one person who only appreciate music made by men.

Anybody who understands anything about the evolution of music knows and values the immense contribution made by women from Hildegard of Bingen to Judith Weir via Maria Theresa von Paradies (who was blind as well as female), Clara Schumann, Amy Beach, Ethel Smyth, Cécile Chaminade, the Boulanger sisters and many, many others. However it is an inescapable fact that most major classical works were composed by men. Le Beau's concerto is attractive and melodic but on no possible basis can it be considered a major work. It is neglected because it is second rate and unlikely to repay more than an occasional hearing, not because it was composed by a woman.

@Read SIEGE Nice use of language! Not! No one can deny that the contributions of women in many different fields has been marginalized at best. My comments are not bs. Yours, definitely.

@@antiquet3301 My use of the present tense serves to highlight that women still face discrimination. Progress has been made towards gender equality, but we are far from having attained it in toto.

You were just in a bad mood...."S'io credesse che mia risposta fosse, A persona che mai tornasse al mondo, Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse. Ma perciocche giammai di questo fondo...." Saludos desde México!

Giudizio di una severità cattiva oltre che ingenerosa. Si poteva eseguire meglio nell insieme ma orribile non si può dire. Si dica grazie che ci sono orchestre e pianisti professionisti che fanno resucitare certe pagine notevoli del passato.