Lumix S5 - ProRes RAW vs Internal Codec (Can YOU Tell The Difference?)

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Everyone knows how great the Panasonic S5 is for the money since it can output many different flavours of RAW via HDMI.
I rarely use the RAW capabilities of my Panasonic cameras, but when I do, I absolutely love the results that I get.
In this video I wanted to see whether you guys could tell the difference between ProRes RAW from the Lumix S5 and the internal codecs found on the Panasonic S5, just to see if the flexibility of RAW is really worth it.
All of the shots in this video were taken at the same time with controlled lighting conditions, and the only difference was the codec. I even tried to match the colours as best as I could between the ProRes RAW footage and the internal codecs from the Lumix S5.
One of the biggest downsides to ProRes RAW and all flavours of RAW video is of course the huge file sizes, so you really need to utilise all of that extra data to make it worthwhile.
All Panasonic Lumix full frame cameras can output ProRes RAW, so this video should apply for the Lumix S1, S5, S1H and BS1H :)
I really hope you guys find this video interesting, and if you did then please comment below and let me know your thoughts.
Thanks for watching!

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@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

**NOTE ** KZfaq has REAALLYY compressed the example footage after watching it back on here. Especially in the darker areas, you can see banding and mushiness that isn't there on the master file. Worth bearing in mind!

@davidmultimedia2024 Жыл бұрын

It would be awesome to have access to the original footage, so we can experiment with it and better judge if it’s worth it for us. Or at least if we could get access to the master file. Thanks Josh!

@ShebaniFilms Жыл бұрын

So for KZfaq work, there isn’t much point to the extra stress right?

@nandhukartha8205 Жыл бұрын

Even after the KZfaq compression, undoubtedly Seq A was looking way better. I could easily notice it.

@prestonurvina Жыл бұрын

You are literally one of the only people putting out content on the S5. Really appreciated. I'm in the process of switching over from the R6. Thanks for all of the information. Invaluable.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this Preston! Really appreciate it, and glad you found the channel. Hope your transition is smooth, and feel free to get in touch if I can be of any help 🙌🏼

@hugocalvovisuals Жыл бұрын

Let's go Panasonic ! I had to make the switch over from Canon this month and got me the s5 as well. Sick quality absolutely sick. The low light the ibis and no overheating is what won me over.

@CodaSessions Жыл бұрын

This is a great video and a fantastic sequence comparison too! I guessed correctly on the RAW sequence, and i find that the reds & skin tones take on a slight vibrance, but on the whole its barely noticeable; i am very impressed with the internal codecs on this camera, especially as a reasonable majority of my work is for platforms that apply high-level compression. Having worked with the ProRes RAW codec on a handful of projects, it's super versatile for wide dynamic range shots and i find you can identify the pros/cons in comparison when you have detailed shadows & cloudy skies in frame; the internal codecs can definitely handle the range, but struggle to express that range if you've gotta squish it into a 5 or 7-stop SDR colour space, while the RAW somehow takes the abuse when you compress your dynamic range and doesn't look too bad! 10/10 as always buddy, great content, love the way you've explained the differences, benefits, and issues with working across the different codecs available with this camera!

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great feedback mate, I really appreciate this! I can't wait to shoot more ProRes RAW in the upcoming vids and do more of these comparisons, because there's really not that much out there on this particular topic :)

@michaelnishiguchi3176 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video. I’ve been considering picking up a Ninja and wanted to see how much of a difference it makes. I love your channel

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words Michael! Genuinely appreciate it :) -

@raksh9 Жыл бұрын

Great video as always, you're doing a great service for Panasonic users. Thank you for all your efforts.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I really appreciate this. It makes it all worthwhile when I know the videos are helpful to other Lumix shooters :)

@raksh9 Жыл бұрын

@@JoshCameron You're very welcome. Even though I've been shooting with Lumix cameras for almost ten years, I learn a lot from your videos.

@decarlismadison369 Жыл бұрын

the video I've been waiting for

@hoozentroger Жыл бұрын

What a nice channel! This is just the info I needed.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter :)

@cineaudiophile4465 Жыл бұрын

The internal appears slightly soft on my monitor vs. raw, but other than that they looked identical. Great video!

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching buddy! That’s what I found too on my 4K HDR monitor. Can’t wait to actually edit a raw sequence in HDR for the people who can view it properly 🙌🏼

@ShebaniFilms Жыл бұрын

I needed this thank you! New sub!

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Cheers Jack!

@chadstarbucks5719 Жыл бұрын

Great video Josh

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Cheers Chad!

@probescope1458 Жыл бұрын

Josh, great comparison - thanks for that. To my eye ProRes looks less cinematic than recorded with Panasonic codec...that is interesting and makes me consider if buying an external recorder in the future would be a good idea. Any thoughts on recents premieres form Panasonic? or maybe upcoming ones?

@matadormartin Жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing this, as I'm so reluctant to myself it seems! Even before I saw B I felt like A was ProRes raw. Sometimes with raw video it isn't even about gradients, or extra colour information, it's something closer to a gut feeling that it just appears more realistic and less compressed, even with extra noise in frame. It's rare I bother to shoot raw though, it just usually doesn't make much sense for low budget commercial/corporate work unless you are doing green screen or trying to match cameras. For more of a short film project, music video or commercial with a bit more budget it's good to know it's possible even with cameras like the S5.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Yeah I felt the same way after recording this sequence and editing it. I must say that grading RAW footage is so much more fun! The S5 is an absolute beast of a camera, severely underrated!

@who2999 Жыл бұрын

Going with A being Pro res and B internal. Both look very similar/good but I feel like B has a little more compression in the background gradients, however that could just be youtube being youtube. While working raw can be fun, I've yet to really find a practical application for it since typically I'm always having to squeeze video down to 8 bit formats for broadcast/internet anyway. If anything raw has gotten me into a little trouble when art directors fall in love with a raw version of my work in the timeline and the broadcast version can't carry that same level of color fidelity.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Yeah those were the things that gave it away for me too… but KZfaq does definitely even the playing fields way more than when I was reviewing the footage in my NLE. It’s a shame that we share our work on platforms that don’t allow the true quality to shine through, but I guess that won’t change anytime soon. RAW is awesome though, and I’ll definitely use it more for my bigger projects. But it’s definitely a treat and not an essential!

@houstonmuseum Жыл бұрын

At minimum, this proves that the S5 internal codecs are outstanding even by itself, especially for 8-Bit deliverables (aka 99% of uploads for streaming). Ninja V for pre-prepped/planned masterpieces, internal for run-and-gun.

@whatughbeast495 Жыл бұрын

You are very much appreciated sir. W

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching !

@shalomshalom4467 Жыл бұрын

you only can see the difference, when you watching this video on a good monitor... thx for the video.. love raw on the s5❤️

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching :)

@al404 Жыл бұрын

I own a S5 and I watched a lot of your videos that really help me out! I'm not a pro and usually just use it for photo but I was wondering if you have a video or if you can suggest what profile I should use to get nice video without grading

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Really happy these vids are useful Alain :) I'd suggest the natural profile if you want to get nice colours with no grading at all. Natural isn't as contrasty or saturated as the standard profile, so it looks a little less digital :)

@SakkiDuran Жыл бұрын

0:13 and that's why we need IBIS hehe nice video!

@joseagonzalez2973 Жыл бұрын

Great video, great information. How do I set up my lumix s5 codec to match my ninja v? On another note, I just bought a recording handle and I can’t seem to sync the camera and monitor to record at the same time. Any help with this would be very appreciated.

@MarcoStarink Жыл бұрын

i use ProRes Raw for green screen video's. The 12 bit gives al lot more colour information and keys a lot smoother. Because of the well lit environment and the lack of dark parts there is almost no noise. Then i render the keyed footage to ProRes for further editting and filesize sake...

@LucaBono.Studio Жыл бұрын

Day and night differences...the motion cadence of the RAW video was pretty easy to spot. Thanks for making this video mate!

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it mate! Hope you're doing well buddy :)

@LucaBono.Studio Жыл бұрын

@Josh Cameron I'm doing pretty good, thanks! I keep my self busy studying but also enjoying the summer! Cheers

@Jeff-zc6rr Ай бұрын

Which cable did you buy to enable the 6k prores raw? did you buy the atomos cable or a zilr? and did you use a micro to full hdmi adapter?

@joseagonzalez2973 Жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for the information. Question. Does it matter what year ninja v someone has? I seen one for sale and it had a 1920x1200 resolution… but others have 1920x1080. And new to this and I want to purchase one but not sure about certain specs. Will a firmware update change the resolution from old to new? Or should I just buy a newer model?

@voltsegoindiefilm6686 3 ай бұрын

Hi Josh, I wanted to ask you what kind of Hdmi cable should be used to not have drop frame when recording in Prores Raw with the NinjaV and pana S5 Thanks Fabio

@Naumachia Жыл бұрын

Josh - I’m currently shooting weddings and using a S5 with a GH5 but I can really tell the difference when grading. Would you: Get another S5 or get a GH6? I’ve got a bunch of MFT lenses which would be a shame to get rid off. Thanks! 🙏🏻

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Always go with your lenses my friend! Changing out lenses is long and very expensive!

@filipmichalsaffray441 Жыл бұрын

@@JoshCameron Agree but for shooting photos S5 Beats any GH even with the fantastic kit lens 20-60mm. The raw files are incredible to work with. And I am not so sure about MFT future...L mount seams to stand on more solid grounds lately...specialty since they introduce the relatively affordable S Prime Line the 50mm is fantastic. I love MFT and use it a lot because of my 6 cameras BMPCC,GH4,5,5s that have it. But since I got the S5 I use mostly the S5. You could wait for the S1 mark II with better codecs or the next S5...

@filipmichalsaffray441 Жыл бұрын

Nice Vidéo, About the use of 12 bit raw footage. I use Black Magic Vidéo Assist to record Braw with S5 in 2 cases... Need of extra latitude and colors dept shooting on gimbal or tripod, or when shooting multicam with my BMPCC4K 6K and older GH5,5s. It is just much easier to match in resolve. Downside of the raw shooting over HDMI is that the E stabilisation (you Don't have the mode to shoot like on tripod) is not working...and shooting handheld is much more challenging. It is because the whole 5.9K of the sensor are used . Personally I love the colors and footage out of the S5. Bravo Josh for the video

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Ah nice, yeah I've shot a few bits of BRAW with the S5, but since I'm an FCPX user I've always gravitated more towards that. Thanks for watching!

@chickenpasta7359 11 ай бұрын

Can you record in Prores 422 at 5.9K or is that exclusively locked to Prores RAW? I ask since a lot of my projects don't need RAW and the price of the Ninja V has dropped dramatically in the states to where I could finally comfortably invest in one. The S5iiX isn't worth upgrading to for me since I already heavily invested into manual lenses and the Ninja V can be carried onto more future cameras so it seems like a sound investment currently over spending more on an S5IIX. Thanks for any answers

@berglandvideo Жыл бұрын

I actually thought that B was ProRes because the highlights looked better.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Interesting!

@GUANTA23K Жыл бұрын

Which codec and subsampling did you use for internal recording?

@karikaru Жыл бұрын

I think A was pro res but honestly, both look incredible. Can't wait to buy a used copy of this camera even now at the end of 2022

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

They're going for so cheap now as well! Best value for money and incredible image quality for both photo and video :)

@papu2967 Жыл бұрын

He cuanto he visto la primera secuencia de la etiqueta b, enseguida me he dado cuenta que la etiqueta a era el pro res… es más limpia, mejor grading y las zonas oscuras se ven mejor que en la b. Probablemente Si no viera la a, la b me parecería que está bien… pero se nota… y lo he visto en una plantalla de iPhone de 6,1! Gracias por el vídeo, seguimos aprendiendo contigo Josh!

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Estoy muy contento de que hayas disfrutado este video. ¡Algunas personas ven las diferencias de inmediato y otras no! ¡Gracias por ver!

@Zmywak Жыл бұрын

I used to own S5 with NINJA ATOMOS V and could not stop recording in 5.9K :) If only this camera had phase detection autofocus - it would be unbeatable! Footage A was easy to recognise :)

@ErichAmMeer Жыл бұрын

Is it 10 bit 420? Full frame recording or 1.5×❤

@daniellrodriguezs2308 Жыл бұрын

Now it does :)

@KobusGevelspar Жыл бұрын

Most important reason to use prores (not specifically raw) is the way a pc handles files. Visually the all- i internal is great, but because of the 400mb per second and the compression it’s really heavy on an editing machine. Besidrs that: It’s just great to take an ssd from the ninja v and start editing.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

100% agree Aris! The ProRes family of codecs are super good to edit with and normally if the project is using a satellite editor then I’ll always use a flavour of ProRes specifically for this reason :)

@Naumachia Жыл бұрын

Yay! New video! 👏🏻🇦🇽😍

@davidmultimedia2024 Жыл бұрын

After taking screenshots of every shot in sequence A and B, then compared them side by side, I noticed a few things. First, I know the colors initially differs a little bit (some sort of color shift), but even after you tried to match them, there are still some very noticeable differences : Artificial lights look very different. Your TV LED strips (unless you changed the color in between shots) looks white with ProRes RAW and a strong blue with the Internal codec. Same with the fridge light; ProRes RAW look more orange and less saturated, while the internal codec looks more yellow and saturated. It's the other way around with your skin when you sit on the couch; it looks more saturated with ProRes RAW, and more natural with the internal codec. On the TV shot, if you look at the right wall (corner), the shaded area has a strong green shift on the internal codec (typical with low bitrate/highly compressed codecs). Also, when we look at your gold Playstation controller on the bottom of your living room table, it's greener/yellower with the internal codec, and more brownish/sand with ProRes RAW. So is it worth it for things like KZfaq videos? Definitely NOT. Like you mentionned, the denoising process along with the files sizes (which can easily be over 10x larger) is already a deal breaker for this sort of things. Although, for short films and serious commercial projects, it is definitely something to consider. I personnally never tried ProRes RAW on my S5, but I've been a BRAW user for 3 years now (BMPCC 6K) and it is truly amazing! Regular ProRes HQ is also a very good thing to consider, especially for handheld shots since you have access to the amazing e-stabilization and Boost IS from the S5 while still getting a 4K image (not possible with BRAW/ProRes RAW, it's IBIS only so you have to use post stabilization when needed).

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Woah! You really ripped the footage apart ! I love that, that's awesome. Yeah I tried to colour match as close as possible without spending too much time on it, so there will for sure be a few differences. But Yes, I would definitely agree with the notion that ProRes RAW isn't worth it for KZfaq vids, unless of course you're showing a short film that you've made etc. I love shooting RAW, and it's great for a few of my client projects, but it's not necessary all the time :P

@GoldenCoastGTA Жыл бұрын

"After taking screenshots of every shot in sequence A and B" I admire the intention but he did not provide a download link, so you're talking about a compressed version on KZfaq. That is a flawed analysis from the get go.

@davidmultimedia2024 Жыл бұрын

@@GoldenCoastGTA In the case of a comparison like this one, KZfaq’s compression doesn’t change anything since both clips have the same applied. I don’t need the master files to notice all these differences and know for sure that these aren’t the results of KZfaq’s compression. We are not talking about artifacts in general, but the differences in colors and shades in between ProRes RAW and the internal codec (and the fact is that there are A LOT of very noticeable differences).

@srirammanchem Жыл бұрын

Watching this on cell phone 📱jeez need to watch again on my laptop😂

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Hahaha get all of the devices out ;)

@shanefoleymedia Жыл бұрын

I was actually quite surprised at how much of a difference Prores raw made (on a 27 inch 1440p monitor) - specifically on the hero shot in the beginning, in the blacks particularly around the eyes, and especially how the eyes and colors were rendered with the mixed lighting of the fridge. Well done and thank you for sharing the results!

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

I coloured all of the clips as closely as I could with the same colouring techniques to make it as fair as possible, but I’m sure that once you start really pushing the footage you’ll see the benefits of RAW come into play. Very interesting that you noticed this! Thanks for watching 🙌🏼

@shanefoleymedia Жыл бұрын

@@JoshCameron very well done. I definitely find certain areas where prores shines, which is good to see

@thebossnocompetition8757 Жыл бұрын

So is the dynamic range higher with these RAW files compared to internal V LOG? i have used V LOG with HDR10 content recently and it seems to be no limit in how much you can push the wheels in davinci resolve. to me i already get those claimed 14+ stops of dynamic range with V LOG. but its even better with RAW or?

@jessevogelaar6209 Жыл бұрын

no, you can't get more dynamic range with raw

@cOcOmOo92 Жыл бұрын

Does the 5.9k acutally give me better quality?

@Indo_chef Жыл бұрын

I think it may only be worth it if working for a higher end client with deep pockets. The storage, render time, and added workflow need more dollars. When compressed by social media the quality difference is only noticed by other video editors.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Yeah I can definitely agree with this. It's a "luxury" thing at the end of the day, so it has to be treated like that for the higher ticket jobs :)

@DavidPalmer_blinder Жыл бұрын

yeah i was stumped on the difference. when i shoot on my S5 i will definitely just use prores, even when using the ninja V. however, when i'm shooting with my bmpcc 6k or 4k, braw all the way. i have no logical explanation for that, probably when i first switched on the bmpcc's they default to braw, and also since i use DR, it's just a no brainer.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

BRAW is something that many pocket shooters are spoiled by in many ways! It just makes sense to shoot in raw with those cameras all the time :)

@andrewrice9383 Ай бұрын

B maybe looked a bit softer to me, however, I wouldn’t be surprised if it is the prores. I have no idea which is which.

@andrewrice9383 Ай бұрын

Ps watching in 720p on phone screen

@Chinte Жыл бұрын

While I did get the answers right I feel like the differences were very small and ultimately I was more guessing going off a few things. I would say if most of your work is done for youtube or any other heavily compressed online video source then the 5.9k is definitely not worth it. I would say that is really only worth it for specific client work that won't get hit with online compression or where the client just really wants it.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

I agree with this. I do think RAW has its benefits for larger shoots where you need to really push and pull the footage to get the results you’re after. I tend to use RAW for my bigger (better paying) jobs since it adds a little more “prestige” to the whole experience. And also, ProRes and ProRes RAW are incredible editing codecs, so if another editor/colourist is working on the project too then I’d normally choose a flavour of ProRes instead of the internal :) For this stuff though, you don’t need RAW , it’s just nice to have! Thanks for watching :)

@caroled Жыл бұрын

By the way I love the music.

@izzieb Жыл бұрын

Sequence A, there's less banding (despite the compression, in the blue wall behind you).

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I thought too, Izzie! Unfortunately KZfaq does make all banding worse though , so take it with a pinch of salt 🙌🏼

@izzieb Жыл бұрын

@@JoshCameron I've had some videos I've been really proud of and eager to share, only to upload them to KZfaq to find they have awful banding from the heavy handed compression. Nothing we can do about it unfortunately.

@sondrevestheim Жыл бұрын

What’s the difference in datarates? Take the sequence as an example: how big was the internal files vs the prores raw?

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Internal data rates are around 150-200mbps if i'm not mistaken, and ProRes RAW is ridiculously large, I think like 800mbps+ (probably way more than that actually)

@das.gegenmittel Жыл бұрын

Had you problems with the Ninja V while recording ProRes Raw 12 bit? Skippy appears all the time after around 7 Minutes.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

What SSD are you using? Maybe that could be the issue as I've encountered that with slower drives

@das.gegenmittel Жыл бұрын

@@JoshCameron Its a Samsung 870 QVO 2 TB. What are you using? Greets! :)

@laurentiudll Жыл бұрын

can the S5 record straight to a portable ssd through type C ? something like Samsung T7

@filmsbyjakub 6 ай бұрын

no, s5iix can

@pieterpauwelbeelaerts5995 Жыл бұрын

skin tones are better in the first sequence, I guessed it right it was RAW. I see this all the time while comparing and matching GH5 footage with blackmagic pocket 4K using BRAW... Also, not convinced to use the S5 (or any other mirrorless panasonic camera, except maybe GH6 with internal prores) because of this issue, I don't have time to put a powered on external monitor on top of the camera. However blackmagic pocket 4K is really not ergonomical/practical to use. Maybe I should search for a canon C200 cinema camera and leave the mirrorless (and phone) world...

@Hene1 Жыл бұрын

ProRes RAW was much sharper and for example the keyboard looks miles better on ProRes than it does on internal. I used 4K LG C1 48" OLED screen to review the footage. This video made the ProRes very tempting option, but I'm pretty sure it's still not worth the hassle.

@MB-jt4fy Жыл бұрын

Intern recording is 4k and ProRes Raw on the Ninja is 5.9K

@caroled Жыл бұрын

Hi Josh. what is the difference between PRORES RAW and PRORES 422 ?

@MockeryManor Жыл бұрын

ProRes raw is 4:4:4 color space. You get full color gamut.

@freddybocanegra Жыл бұрын

I’m brand new to creating and videos. Can you point me in the right direction to learn? Did you take classes or watch KZfaq videos? Some of the language in KZfaq is alien to me. Thank you in advance.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Hi Alfredo, I never took classes and just looked at KZfaq videos for guidance. Videography is one of those things that you can only really grasp by doing it as much as possible. You'll make mistakes, and you'll learn from them. I've been making videos since I was 14 years old, and although only the last 5 years were professionally, it's all of that time spent with a camera in my hand that taught me the most :)

@CreatorMelvin Жыл бұрын

I’m going with “B” as the internal and “A” is Raw….both sooo close! I know KZfaq compressed your video.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

It’s crazy close! I think the differences are more obvious on the master file (off of KZfaq). And of course, RAW will always shine once you really start to push the footage colour wise :) thanks for watching !

@CreatorMelvin Жыл бұрын

@@JoshCameron you’re right! Thanks for sharing this comparison. One day I’ll shoot ProRes on my S5!

@kennethgooswit3697 6 күн бұрын

The gh7 has Prores Raw internal recording, so it must e possible for the S5iix to record Raw internal. But if Pana made it possible iam not for Prores RAW, but rather Have Braw internal.

@JaymesMedia Жыл бұрын

I have the fujifilm X-h2s and have the ability to shoot proress raw. I think most people shoot the internal codec more often is because this is what bigger KZfaqrs teach us. We’re taught that we don’t need anything more than Proress and I think that’s because they don’t know how to edit Raw Footage.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Yeah I see what you’re saying. I actually have a few videos in the making currently about working with ProRes RAW, both in SDR and HDR workflows, so if you’d ever like to make the most of your XH2s then you may be interested in those vids ! 🙌🏼

@JaymesMedia Жыл бұрын

@@JoshCameron definitely will keep an eye out. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

@stephanes. Жыл бұрын

I'm definitely Interested in this XH2S! are you happy with it?

@JaymesMedia Жыл бұрын

@@stephanes. more than happy brother 🙏🏽

@jacksonpetit1212 Жыл бұрын

For most projects ProRes is fine.

@JonackFilm Жыл бұрын

I watched it on a 130cm 4k TV. Could not see any difference. Because of KZfaq compression I think.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

The compression has evened the playing fields quite a bit I’d say, but it’s still very interesting to see how the footage looks compared to each other on the platforms that we normally tend to share our work on :)

@funlols_com Жыл бұрын

No difference worth saying? minimal? for me, whatever difference there is? Is it worth the price of a Atmos Ninja V? Not sure: /

@flaviopresutti Жыл бұрын

Hey! I paused the video! I got the S5, I've used the prores Raw and I can't tell that much difference with the 4K on the Ninja V ... but I think it's "a" the 6K

@flaviopresutti Жыл бұрын

Well .. I was right haha .. I noticed a little more sharpness in the footage!

@flaviopresutti Жыл бұрын

I think I am not taking advantage of the full potential of the RAW of the S5 camera. I'm using it with Premiere Pro and it hasn't worked the way I want it to. I tried DaVinci Resolve, but it didn't read the RAW from the camera. So I'm shooting everything in V-Log

@nickmcmillian2122 11 ай бұрын

A was ProRes. I think the colors had more banding on B in the first shot

@nickmcmillian2122 11 ай бұрын

FUCK YES!!!! WE TAKE THOSE!!!!

@radwoc Жыл бұрын

Without specifying which is which, I like B better than A,

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Very interesting!

@jeremycunningham6749 Жыл бұрын

What internal Codec are you shooting the footage with?

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

10bit 4K 4:2:2 - I think it's a LongGOP codec though since the S5 doesn't have any All-Intra options from my understanding

@Filmsimulation Жыл бұрын

@@JoshCameron is it h264?

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Hey Ray, the internal codecs are h.264 :)

@Filmsimulation Жыл бұрын

@@JoshCameron got it! Thank you! I just got my lumix today!

@user-mh2tb7qc5l Жыл бұрын

"A" is the Raw footage, and the "B" is the international recording one

@Thehackerguy2000 Жыл бұрын

Colours just feel a bit more rich in the prores one

@playmozvideos8943 Жыл бұрын

I think that A is Prores Raw and B log codec

@jahkiley Жыл бұрын

Sequence A was external and Sequence B was internal, not a vast difference though.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Got it in one👍🏻

@Co-Op_Mode 7 ай бұрын

First shot - your face - the 5.9k looks way sharper , Res , Raw , or focus ??? Not sure , but thats what gave it away to me...

@kojiikodama Жыл бұрын

Does the ninja V record in all-i?

@elementary8963 Жыл бұрын

Pro res is an all intra codec :)

@charliemcgrain Жыл бұрын

Don't use RAW unless it is for high end or high end "client" work. It can save your ass if you screw up your WB or exposure, but V Log in Prores can already offer a good deal of protection in that regard. RAW is either for your own feature film or when some one else is paying for the hard drive space. I just shot a feature film on the S5 into the Ninja, RAW 5.9k. The image is pure poetry but a 90 minute feature, at the low end, will take up 16 "Terabytes" of storage.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Yep totally agree. RAW is amazing, but only for super high end stuff, otherwise my house would be one massive hard drive hahahaha

@eliasali9383 Жыл бұрын

A the noise is a hint

@avarmadillo Жыл бұрын

Examples like this on youtube are futile. The KZfaq compression is so great it eliminates any differences we might see as "significantly different." If this is a good representation it's time to say "DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME. IT'S NOT WORTH IT TO SHOOT IN RAW IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES."

@peterkoomen1 Жыл бұрын

I think is was A (Prores RAW) but I could hardly see any differents.

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

I must say, grading the RAW was a much nicer process and I felt like I could get a lot more out of the image, but when you compare two edits side by side that were done with the same colouring techniques , the difference is actually a lot smaller than you’d expect! Thanks for watching Peter :)

@peterkoomen1 Жыл бұрын

@@JoshCameron Always great to watch your videos, Josh. Learn something new every time.

@jasam123 Ай бұрын

Sequence B - higher quality

@thornscoop2 Жыл бұрын

Pro res was A? maybe perhaps!!! I couldn't really tell to be honest, but the colour grading seemed a little warmer in A. Edit ok i got it right but only by luck! Good video, keep them coming. Perhaps a video comparing external 6k with internal 6k would be good if possible? So i can see if its worth getting a Ninja v...

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Hey Rob! Haha you were right :) Defo going to make more videos like this. Unfortunately the Panasonic S5 doesn't shoot 6K internally , so if you did want that full 5.9K readout then the Ninja V would be the only way currently with the S5 :)

@Norain1992 Жыл бұрын

I only shoot Raw if I need the 5.9K 30p, since it is not possible internally 😋 The extra work to put in Grafing and editing Raw is way too mich for the benefit you geht out of it. The 12bit are very useful for keying and vfx though. 😊

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

Yeah I totally get that, and the above reasons are also why I'd use RAW for a particular project too! If that extra flexibility is needed then you simply can't go wrong with RAW :)

@marcusromero3201 Жыл бұрын

Sequence B

@ed61730 Жыл бұрын

Yep defo A, much more banding in gradients on B

@JoshCameron Жыл бұрын

That’s something I noticed too, especially in the darker areas. The RAW does hold up better there, but KZfaq has compressed it somewhat to bring the results closer to each other

@ed61730 Жыл бұрын

@@JoshCameron Yeah I bet! Thanks for the video as always bro. :)