Lure hook eyes, how strong if glued?
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5 жыл бұрынHow strong are lure hook eyes? Well we tested lure screw eyes and twist eyes without glue and the results were a bit surprising. Here I test twist eyes that are glued into the "lure body" and the results are pretty much what you might have expected.
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@83jbbentley 3 жыл бұрын
I made my first swimbait tonight. Back in the day I was a drone mechanic in the military and learned how to safety wire. They use it to combat vibration on aircraft. Came in handy to make hook eyes.
@EngineeredAngler 3 жыл бұрын
Yes...my brother was an A&P mechanic before he became a commercial pilot...he gave me his old wire twister.
@lureup9973 5 жыл бұрын
Love your vids.....it’s great to have an actual engineer figuring out these details for us guys making these baits! I would love to see a vid on bonding urethane parts, as so many of us are using urethane in small production runs!
@rtfishl8161 5 жыл бұрын
I love the thought process behind your vids. More people need to see your videos. So much great content.
@EngineeredAngler 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. ..so nice to hear folks get something out of it.
@thecampbells3908 3 жыл бұрын
Well done! Thank you for doing this experiment and sharing with us!
@jaakkoteppo8376 5 жыл бұрын
That was an excellent test and answers those many questions that I've had about how to properly attach the screw eyes on bigger baits. Great video!
@EngineeredAngler 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you. ..I'm glad it was useful
@jordannijjar5414 2 жыл бұрын
I needed this video ... Once again, you are the champ.
@marsbotbyl159 2 ай бұрын
I was debating whether to use this system on musky baits. Guess that answers it.
@nelsonsanchezriveronn4003 9 ай бұрын
I love your explanations, step by step of the whole process, but what I like most are your conclusions. Many thanks for this interesting video!
@EngineeredAngler 9 ай бұрын
You're very welcome!
@seymourlebowitz7802 5 жыл бұрын
Always a great educational video.. I can watch the same video over and over not to miss any information..Excellent and thanks for the great presentations Sy
@EngineeredAngler 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much...nice to get the positive feedback.
@cuda6847 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic vid! I am hopeful we can get you to create some contraption/jig others can replicate for doing haywire twists with thicker wire for beach bottom live bat rigs. Thanks and Happy Holidays.
@derekmcmaster6123 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see an engineer tackle slow pitch and seed jigs.....you could probably really shake up the industry
@Mags120fish1 Жыл бұрын
Great info and channel. Appreciate your content. I build balsa baits for bass. Have always used five minute epoxy for the screw eyes.
@adrickvelasco570 5 жыл бұрын
This is awesome stuff!
@hunterchrouser4417 3 жыл бұрын
nice work, interesting results
@oscarstone9361 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, especially the discussion after the tests.
@EngineeredAngler 5 жыл бұрын
I'm always a little hesitant to get to academic and professorial in these videos but sometimes you got to put things in perspective
@oscarstone9361 5 жыл бұрын
@@EngineeredAngler I enjoy watching what you do, your explanations and discussions do not take away from the videos, it adds to it. Another thing to consider would be that lures usually get coated with resins/ epoxy clear coats. Often multiple coats are applied, do you think this adds to the force that would be required to pull the twist eye/wire form?
@EngineeredAngler 5 жыл бұрын
unfortunately the clear coat adds almost zero to the pull out strength of the hook eye. Given the nature of the failure mode..bonding rupture. Look at it this way; the added thickness of the clearcoat is like lengthening the twist eye the thickness of the clear coat...a quarter of a mm, maybe.
@Strugglingdisciple 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this test. This is really good info. I always use to do through wires on my musky lures, but now it looks like I can use 5 minute epoxy. Thats gonna save huge amounts of time.
@EngineeredAngler 3 жыл бұрын
Glad this helped.
@jamesathendune9026 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very helpful . I am going to use those screw eyes with 5 minute epoxy in my Musky baits.
@capt.martin5169 2 ай бұрын
Great info! Thanks so much!
@EngineeredAngler 2 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@vonpaulus6647 8 ай бұрын
Amazing video! I carwed a few crankbait from pine wood for wels catfish. I was afraid to use these twist wire hook hangers on them, because they are not recommended for wels. but after this video I do not. I epoxied them 4 cm deep in the lure. I lifted 20 liters of fater in a bucket one of the lures, and the hookhanger not moved. My biggest catfish was about 50 kg. Whit the epoxy you used, I may could lift it off the ground. So I give it a try.
@galva777tx 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, I twist my own line / hook ties out of .051 stainless and I only use 5 min. Epoxy. 👍🏼👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
@SuperRobertheath 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video by the way!
@EngineeredAngler 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@Mark--Todd 5 жыл бұрын
I have found that by leaving one side of the twist slightly longer and then forming a 'V'' with it that once you've pushed it in, then it self grips to an extent. This seems to have added a considerable amount aditional strength to the glue fixing. Great video as usual, thanks.
@EngineeredAngler 5 жыл бұрын
Yes I've done the same played around with putting a little V turn at the end it does tend to Anchor it. Thank you for the feedback.
@HondoTrailside 4 жыл бұрын
Hardware bonding is how we attach hugely loaded structures to wood, or composite yachts. Perfectly usable.
@EngineeredAngler 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@FredericoRamos 2 жыл бұрын
Very usefull ! Thanks !
@rRichmoo7 7 ай бұрын
Should do a test on balsa with crazy glue and baking soda
@hankvana2149 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this test! So in exploring options, it looks like a shorter shank (say 1/2") epoxied in would still be way stronger than necessary - good to know for smaller lures. Funny, in looking for the weakest link nobody seems to consider the rod itself - a typical (fresh water) rod is hard pressed to lift a couple of pounds. Think that the average rod (held at 90 degrees to the pull) would probably break before the line it is spooled with.
@EngineeredAngler 3 жыл бұрын
Totally right...gotta consider the entire system.
@trevorslingshots4842 3 жыл бұрын
thank you .this was very interesting
@EngineeredAngler 3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome 😊
@SuperRobertheath 4 жыл бұрын
Makes me feel better since I just used super glue on my last five baits.
@jovanc100 4 жыл бұрын
Use super glue and baking soda , you get rock solid compound, and, more power to super glue conection from wire to wood! I use super glue and baking soda to fill gaps after i put wire thru the lure!
@jackloux9675 4 ай бұрын
Love your great work. Have you ever do this same test on resin lures. I making resin glide baits for 35 lb stripers. My cherry carved baits hold up nice. Thanks
@EngineeredAngler 4 ай бұрын
I use an internal wire harness inside my resin baits, pretty much bullet proof.
@Kadir_Levrek_Pesinde 4 жыл бұрын
+ wooden boat sea glue is very firm ! Thanks
@zzz7zzz9 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome test and video. I epoxy mine in but mine could definitely be longer sometimes. And i don't know just how much glue is getting deep down in there, as my holes are pretty snug on the twist-eyes already. But still, more than good enough for lake fishing. Although, we do get into lakers in the mid 30 lbs, so that's salmon sizes now, which, i guess i should ensure a solid eye. Another curious test, is when does a treble barb start to straighten. On salmon and cod, we sometimes get a barb that has began to open
@EngineeredAngler 5 жыл бұрын
One of the benefits of putting twist eyes instead of screw eyes is that the twist tend to carry the glue in along with it where the threads on a screw eye tend to sort of squeegee It off as it threads in. I think that if you can get a 150 lb holding power with an inch and a quarter embedment you can pretty much reel in most any fish you'll find in a lake. Thank you for the comment and kind words
@bowdenja 5 жыл бұрын
Good info........ besides the knot, I always thought the split ring was the next weakest link...........the #2 saltwater rings I use on my lures has a printed test on the package of 20lbs. Less than half the 50lbs the test of the super glued eyes in the vid.
@EngineeredAngler 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly.. the best way to go is knowing the rig your fishing: reel, rod, line and terminal tackle. Here's a little Insider trick, if you put a couple of drops of crazy glue in the barrel twist you'll get an extra 20 percent strength. Just finished doing some testing with that ... You're the first to know.
@jberthelon 5 жыл бұрын
This is a great video that instills more confidence in my homemade ones. I've caught stripers in the surf up to 25lbs and they've held up great so far. I noticed you use 5 min, while I use 2-ton 30 min. Would the results be different?
@joshcarter7108 4 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Jam me too! It's funny we just talked about this!
@EngineeredAngler 4 жыл бұрын
Here's the deal on the material strength of of these resins: the manufacturers give you the breaking strength of the resins in PSI and that's using a straight tensile strength test. That does not directly apply to how we use it. When we load these resins holding screw in eyes, they will fail in shear. So don't put too much impprtance on what the label is claiming . Typically, higher strength resins take a longer time to develop that strength. So if you're hooking up awesome giant stripers in the surf use a resin that has a longer set time. Thanks you for the engagement.
@joshcarter7108 4 жыл бұрын
@@EngineeredAngler I'm glad u brought this up. I almost just made a mistake purchasing some of the fast set super plastic stuff. Now I know this is not what I'm looking for. Thanks!
@tima.4040 5 жыл бұрын
Hey great video. Could you do an additional test. Super glue mixed with baking soda? Well keep up the great work.
@EngineeredAngler 5 жыл бұрын
I'll try that mix out....
@michaelflowers6048 2 жыл бұрын
I really like your videos and how you like to experiment. Thank you for sharing your content and knowledge with us. I have taken up lure making while I am off work due to open heart surgery a month ago a enjoy these videos. I recently made a glide bait and I am looking for material to make a tail. What material would you recommend for a tail that is clear and semi-soft? Kind of a plastic type material that is durable?
@EngineeredAngler 2 жыл бұрын
You can often get clear, thin and flexible material from blister packaging. I try to save useful packaging materials...it often comes in handy.
@michaelflowers6048 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I happened to stumble upon a video after I posted this question about a woman who accidentally made flexible epoxy. She was using 90% isopropanol alcohol in a spray bottle to thin some paint she splattered on the epoxy. When the epoxy hardened it was flexible. She then later mixed 1/4 ounce to 1 ounce epoxy just to see how it would turn out. It ended up working. I think I'm going to try to use a brush how you make a tail and then pour epoxy over the top of it and see how that works out
@royerio16 4 жыл бұрын
very tanks master regards from tabasco mexico
@EngineeredAngler 4 жыл бұрын
De nado hombre, saludos a todos in Tabasco. Gracias.
@joeyd507 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this demo! I mainly fish trout and use 2lb test and here I was worried about my lure failing 😂😂😂
@EngineeredAngler 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to know...right?
@mattcella74 6 ай бұрын
Molto interessante 👍. Grazie.
@Cozziebro 5 жыл бұрын
Another great video and explanation. Have you tried 24 hour epoxy /
@EngineeredAngler 5 жыл бұрын
There's not much of a difference in strength between the two-part epoxies no matter what the set time. Thank you for encouragement
@carlosarias2747 4 жыл бұрын
Excelente trabajo
@EngineeredAngler 4 жыл бұрын
Gracias
@AlexanderHiebert-on9ud 2 ай бұрын
I'll use table top resin for them,(it's probably stronger and definitely harder. It is marine safe). But did you say 18 Guage wire?
@xmtowntyx 4 жыл бұрын
Super glue with baking soda works great for me never had a problem
@joshlyon4628 4 жыл бұрын
Must not catch big fish. ;)
@rickpayne2941 4 жыл бұрын
To Hank you for the information.
@EngineeredAngler 4 жыл бұрын
your welcome
@LeonardoGarraza 2 жыл бұрын
very useful
@EngineeredAngler 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that
@argyles65 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. One question. How did you insert the epoxy into the hole ? Thanks
@EngineeredAngler 4 жыл бұрын
Here's my technique: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iLmbZbheyLqaon0.html
@CraftsmanontheLake 4 жыл бұрын
I've noticed over the years, with application other than baits, that superglue is unreliable over time. It seems that at some point, that high strength glue joint often lets go much later on. Glue joints just fall apart. I don't know why and I don't know if epoxy does too. Any info about that.
@EngineeredAngler 4 жыл бұрын
AC glue (super glue) is weird stuff..it sometimes fakes you out with what appears to be solid adhesion but...not really. It does not do well with heat and is brittle while tending to expand and contract with heat, not a good combination. I use it mostly for non critical elements and temporary connections. Epoxy is slower, more flexible and more thermally stable. ..but nothing is forever... .I'm always looking for ways to combine glue with some mechanical friction to improve the odds. Great question. ..thanks
@blinddoglures 9 күн бұрын
how much would a 2.99 inch twist hold also what angel should the bottom hook hangers be put in
@q-rri-kan9811 3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful ! Question.... what kind of epoxy to use to make a hard body crank bait ?? I would appreciate some help Thanks
@EngineeredAngler 3 жыл бұрын
Here's what I am using: specialtyresin.com/product/fabri-cast-50/
@q-rri-kan9811 3 жыл бұрын
Engineered Angler Thank you so much! I need to try to make a hollow crank bait so I can put weight and rattles... wish me luck Thanks again!!
@EngineeredAngler 3 жыл бұрын
You'll do it...and have fun too.
@consumer365 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how loctite gel holds compared to these.
@leomillan720 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there, you mentioned using 5 min epoxe... Years ago I used to use the quick cure stuff but have since gone to the longer cure stuff. The reason being that I found the 5 min would degrade over time after exposure to the elements, whereas the longer cure epoxe would hold up way better... Have you found this to be true at all?
@EngineeredAngler 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't had any issues but It might be because I only use the epoxy in spots where there is no exposure to sun or water.
@fishboy1270 5 жыл бұрын
How does that crystal clear coat hold up, have you had any problems with cracking, if so, how many coats does it need to stop?
@EngineeredAngler 5 жыл бұрын
I have had no issues with cracking or yellowing. I have noticed that full hardness is achieved somewhere around 15 days. Can't push a fingernail into it. I use two coats.
@Playstation5SWEDEN 3 жыл бұрын
Can u make a ”Howe to builde a wheeldryer for your lure”? Im just to build one and realy Wanna know ur stuff 👍🏼
@EngineeredAngler 3 жыл бұрын
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@jonathanunderwood2138 4 жыл бұрын
Hello I have a question about thru wire. I have just gotten into lure making and I have been using .041 safety wire for thru wire. Do you think this wire is strong enough for trolling lures to Mahi and wahoo?
@EngineeredAngler 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, the wire it's self is strong enough you're concern should be with you trmination twists. If you do those well you should get plenty of strength.
@Qc114 Жыл бұрын
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@kamiloles8537 3 жыл бұрын
Hi! To attach twisted wire you drill bigger hole and plenty of glue or a bit smaller hole with almost no glue but tight fit? What would work better you think, thabks
@EngineeredAngler 3 жыл бұрын
to maximize the strength dill a bigger hole and fill it with glue. But be sure it's full of glue!
@kamiloles8537 3 жыл бұрын
@@EngineeredAngler thanks, no easy to fill it as there is always some air bubbles 😞
@LBendandi Жыл бұрын
how about testing factory made screw in eyes in comparison... have you done it already?
@EngineeredAngler Жыл бұрын
Yes...they open up at a pretty low pull load.
@paulrichards1921 5 жыл бұрын
The lure can fail over time. The holding load is only part of it. When catching a fish, you are putting a strain on the hook hanger during the duration of the fight. The fish is not just pulling in one direction for the whole fight, it may dart in one direction, then another. In time, after catching many fish and snags, the glue may fail. Super glue is a very poor solution, since it bonds poorly with metal. Epoxy does not bond with the metal either, but will bond with the wood and create a very strong shell around the hook hanger. Next try 2 ton epoxy, or stronger. The difference is tremendous.
@noahjohns7954 2 жыл бұрын
I know this was 2 years ago, but star bond makes a thick super glue and it works amazingly well. It makes a shell of super glue all the way around the hook hanger
@theRussianJiu 3 жыл бұрын
There is a CA glue in a thick formula.
@candycuadras4348 4 жыл бұрын
Siempre quize saber las lbs.chingon mi amigo.yo invente otro sistema q aguanta mucho mas.lo hago con anzuelos numero 8 los corto y les hago un pequeño dobles asi q no sale.con el dremel le hago un hoyo redondo al fondo asi que no se sale y le doy una raspada a todo el tunel.con plastiloka.ya que los pegamentos liquidos con el tiempo se hacen plastico.
@EngineeredAngler 4 жыл бұрын
Un poco trabajado....pero me parece una buena idea.
@mattietiger2959 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent less
@AtomicOverdrive 3 ай бұрын
5min epoxy is a win for me.. Pretty much not going to be fishing for 150lbs fish or any that pull that strong. I.e.. No tuna for me.. LOL
@TrevorF03 5 жыл бұрын
999 subscribers! Come on! I'll see if I can find one more person lol
@EngineeredAngler 5 жыл бұрын
I know right ... Somebody's got to throw it over the edge
@TrevorF03 5 жыл бұрын
@@EngineeredAngler Congrats!
@jamesortegajr5720 2 жыл бұрын
This is simple thru-wire everything for saltwater and you can try everything else for freshwater 💯😜
@2kbluedragon 5 жыл бұрын
what about using twist eyes in balsa?
@EngineeredAngler 5 жыл бұрын
Only if you're willing to lose the big one. In all seriousness, if you fish for anything bigger than 5 lbs don't do it. For balsa most use a wire harness.
@ritaejohn 3 жыл бұрын
All super glues are not created equal. How about some different brands super glue, and epoxies? Thanks
@williamferant1802 3 жыл бұрын
I use a hot glue gun been doing it for years haven’t had any trouble
@billyallmon5039 3 жыл бұрын
Make a hook out of a nail that fits your drill
@TheLowester1 4 ай бұрын
What kind of 5min epoxy do you use?
@EngineeredAngler 4 ай бұрын
Usually gorilla glue
@TheLowester1 4 ай бұрын
Thank you
@pratikpatil0109 4 жыл бұрын
Wire name plzzzzźzzz. Sir...
@EngineeredAngler 4 жыл бұрын
Tooth Proof leader wire
@markrigg6623 3 жыл бұрын
Just a pointless video in my opinion. I don't even twist the wires together the legs are parallel, and is forced into a hole that is sized for a tight fit that creates compression when assembled. I key the wire legs by using side cutters to make indentations along the wire. This works fine for up to 50lb tackle. Super glue is really only suitable for purely tensile applications. The way the forces are distributed in a lure situation its always going to be weaker than epoxy. Any flexing forces over time will weaken it progressively, so how it measures in a 1 off controlled situation does not tell the real story. And just as a side note there's a certain very well known American bass lure company that uses screw eyes into plastic and they pull out at 10 Lbs!. But there's still been a lot of fish caught on them. So yeah, measuring screw eyes with hundreds of pounds of strength doesn't really teach me anything I didn't know by experience and instinct. If I was making poppers to fish for GTs with 80lb braid, then yes, I'd bother doing the full twisted leg routine.
@EngineeredAngler 2 жыл бұрын
I have caught 4 oz crappie and 400lb hammer head sharks, there's a rig and a desired strength for each application. Sorry you didn't find this useful but, let me know what you would like to see. Thank you for the feed back. Cheers.
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