M.2 NVME SSD Repair. Reballing a chip the size of a letter on a Penny.

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11 ай бұрын

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@sijig3501
@sijig3501 11 ай бұрын
As someone who does tech repairs you cannot understand how hard a reball is until you try it. Especially on a chip that small. Excellent work Alex. It was a beautiful reball.
@jbtec5730
@jbtec5730 11 ай бұрын
I've got my ass whooped trying to solder a M92 chip in a Nintendo switch. I can't fathom reballing a nvme drive so small. Alex haz da skillz indeed.
@sijig3501
@sijig3501 11 ай бұрын
@@jbtec5730 it’s all practice, practice, practice. I was the same when I started. I couldn’t remove a hdmi port. Keep at it.
@seckinseckin3919
@seckinseckin3919 11 ай бұрын
generally i dont reball like this, i use Sorin's technique like Alex made joke first touch to chip in the video
@sijig3501
@sijig3501 11 ай бұрын
@@seckinseckin3919 I think every tech has their own way of doing repairs. I think practice all ways and find what suits you.
@jbtec5730
@jbtec5730 11 ай бұрын
@@sijig3501 I do, but Alex does make it look like it's really easy. When you actually try to do it like he does, it's not that simple. Mostly, if I may, because of his proper equipment. His solder wick, iron, heat blower and specially the Amtech flux make the absolute difference.
@HardcoreEngineering
@HardcoreEngineering 11 ай бұрын
The Drive is working its Bitlocked Well Done Alex
@DELTAALLSTAR08
@DELTAALLSTAR08 2 күн бұрын
Were you the original owner??
@PracticalKnow
@PracticalKnow 11 ай бұрын
One thing that works really well when trying to clean up chips prior to reballing is to *stick the upside-down chip onto a piece of sticky-side-up Kapton tape.*
@tonymantinelli6747
@tonymantinelli6747 11 ай бұрын
He tried his very best! most techs will not even reball a chip..too much work and usually never worth the time..great job man
@paulkingeu
@paulkingeu 11 ай бұрын
I was so pleased you put the penny beside the chip because I can show others just how tiny these things are. Thank you
@T3hderk87
@T3hderk87 10 күн бұрын
10:00 "If you want to sneeze, if you feel that itch, do not do it!" I honestly laughed way too hard at this. What you do is wild sir, takes a great deal of skill and we definitely appreciate it.
@gaineredison390
@gaineredison390 11 ай бұрын
I always advise those who criticize you Mr Alex of being proud of your self that the door is open for them to also do what you do and be proud of themselves. 95.5% of your work is always success. Why can't feel proud!
@hombrepepega3472
@hombrepepega3472 11 ай бұрын
He doesn't show everything, how do you know his success ratio? Also if the problem is anything harder than soldering a new cap it's a nofix. 😂 Sure, his soldering skills are good, but diagnostics sucks ass.
@Healcraft
@Healcraft 11 ай бұрын
@@hombrepepega3472 his diagnostics are great for waht he has. better than great. he isn't a specified vendor, he doesnt have schematics for every 999999999 product out there. if you need a new programmed chip or something obviously he cannot do that
@KrispyBizcut
@KrispyBizcut 11 ай бұрын
Jeez i didn't realize how small those things were!! Their ain't no way i could do what you do!! And reballing that chip was awesome to watch!! Love watching you do your stuff!!! Amazing!!!
@orange_tweleve
@orange_tweleve 2 ай бұрын
💀thats the same type of size I would've thrown away as a dot of debrie before I started doing smd stuff for fun. How things change.
@jayeshc4092
@jayeshc4092 11 ай бұрын
Extraordinary work Sir..This nothing less than a surgery.. reballing such a tiny chip is no joke.. was worth the effort.. thankyou for another educational video..I would love to learn more about reballing.. 👍
@TexasHollowEarth
@TexasHollowEarth 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I still got my original Fat PS3 that needs a CPU reballing 👍
@ThriftyToolShed
@ThriftyToolShed 11 ай бұрын
Excellent video Alex. That tiny reball was amazing and thanks for sharing that sometimes even with our best effort we can't win them all! We give it our best, that is what counts! Blessings!
@mrgatogrande4284
@mrgatogrande4284 11 ай бұрын
Hi Alex, this could be an encrypted drive somehow, or a Linux filesystem that Windows or Mac won't recognize. If two volumes showed up at least the OS is able to read the partition table... meaning SOME data is flowing through. Definitely advice doing a sector by sector dump with a tool like dd, at the disk level.
@boromoose
@boromoose 11 ай бұрын
Could definitely be an encrypted drive or an unrecognized file system that neither Windows nor Mac OS could read. Though I would hope the customer would have told Alex that when the drive was dropped off. Have the customer try the drive on their computer system to be certain. In any case, this was an amazing repair attempt by Alex. I greatly appreciate that he shares his failures as well as his successes. We can learn from both.
@tvuser1
@tvuser1 11 ай бұрын
Encrypted drive would display a locked volumn. This is corrupted nand. Hense the freeze.
@solmanJapan
@solmanJapan 11 ай бұрын
​@@tvuser1It might depend on how it was encrypted right. Do LUKS encrypted volumes show up as a padlocked drive in windows?
@x66Hawk66x
@x66Hawk66x 9 ай бұрын
No the nand was done for. if it was a partition formatted as something like EXT4 for example, windows would simply request you to format the drive. in the case of encrypted as already mentioned the drive would simply display as locked.
@Nobbie248
@Nobbie248 7 ай бұрын
Yeah possibly steam os for the steamdeck
@andrewmiller3834
@andrewmiller3834 8 ай бұрын
I’ve been fascinated by these repairs from a few different channels but you Alex blew me away with this one. I’ve wanted to learn this trade for a few years but things get in the way (investment capital/training etc.) Comparing this chip to the Penny showed me just how difficult this can be. Hats off to you and those who work with you. You are all amazing people!!
@peterpiper4722
@peterpiper4722 11 ай бұрын
I would like to thank you for the many hours I have spent watching you videos. When I watch your videos it takes my mind off all the worries in life for that I'm grateful to you
@Cro-mos
@Cro-mos 11 ай бұрын
First time seeing you reball and you make it look so easy. Great job!
@yuri_alba
@yuri_alba 11 ай бұрын
I suggest put in a linux system and do a "dd" of the drive. Maybe you can get the files back. A linux system doesn't try to read the system file initially. So you can do the "dd" (disk dump) of the files even without read the file system. I made this process a lot of times and generally succeed.
@volodumurkalunyak4651
@volodumurkalunyak4651 11 ай бұрын
DD really stands for "disk destroyer" Restoring a data from a failing storage media - ddrescue is made for that.
@theRizza791
@theRizza791 11 ай бұрын
@@volodumurkalunyak4651 dd = disk dump...
@ytdlgandalf
@ytdlgandalf 11 ай бұрын
​@@volodumurkalunyak4651try 'man dd'
@volodumurkalunyak4651
@volodumurkalunyak4651 11 ай бұрын
@@baghdadiabdellatif1581 1. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M 2. Good luck convincing dd to skip failed block, retry later and using mapfile (failing storage media can templorary disappear from system, dd will lose it's progress)
@volodumurkalunyak4651
@volodumurkalunyak4651 11 ай бұрын
@@ytdlgandalf dd without something like -bs=64k or -bs=1M is slow. dd without -conv=noerror will stop on error. dd with -conv=noerror and bs higher than 512b (default value) will mangle your data upon recieving an error. ddrescue - copies data fast and accuratly.
@ThisIS_Insane
@ThisIS_Insane 8 ай бұрын
Cracked chips don't usually bode well, for a successful repair. Ya gave it the old college try, Alex, and that's all we can ever do! Love watching you work!
@memyself2905
@memyself2905 3 ай бұрын
I love your honesty 16:15 so awesome. Nobody can explain step by step how detail like you did. We always learn many experiment of our job. You're are a role model for my hobby in this job. I'm keep learning by doing in every case. Hello from Indonesia 🇮🇩.
@timm.8249
@timm.8249 11 ай бұрын
i find it relaxing watching you work..thanks
@snooter28
@snooter28 7 ай бұрын
You sir, are a beast at this profession. Holy crap I would have never understood the size of that chip without literally getting out a penny myself.
@TheMossberger1
@TheMossberger1 11 ай бұрын
Never seen you go this far on data recovery. Keep it going. You are on the front lines of repair for many of your fellow tech's. Cheers! (More data recovery videos!)
@Indiskret1
@Indiskret1 9 ай бұрын
I stopped watching these kinds of videos when another great KZfaqr stopped doing them, but now I've found your channel with so many great videos. As a bonus, I also love your sense of humor! Beautiful re-balling of an incredibly tiny component, even if the repair didn't work out in the end. You sure got the skills. Thanks for sharing your work!
@xrellx
@xrellx 9 ай бұрын
Who quit? I go through phases of binge watching them a couple times a year
@gekkkoincroe
@gekkkoincroe 7 ай бұрын
Who are you taking about ?
@jme36053
@jme36053 11 ай бұрын
If you can’t fix it, it can’t be done. Thanks for the additional attempt.
@Ryan_DeWitt
@Ryan_DeWitt 11 ай бұрын
I think this is a great example of work smarter, not harder. Some people complain "why don't you do any BGA reballing work." Well there you go. A situation where it was required and it is not terribly hard for someone with great skills, but requires skill and is time consuming. You normally buy the chips pre-balled which saves a whole lot of time and time is money.
@reasonablebeing5392
@reasonablebeing5392 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for doing this video - you saved me a ton of time. The Toshiba drive I have had the same cap shorted - luckily most of the key files are backed up.
@e630fnr
@e630fnr 7 ай бұрын
Reminds me of an expression we use in Greek for similar situations, "The operation was successful but the patient died"!
@MlnscBoo
@MlnscBoo 11 ай бұрын
Can't Wait to get into micro soldering. Your the man Alex! The size of the chip is honestly intimidation compared to the pennie, but I never say never and have never failed at something I want to do. Can't wait to get into this stuff. Their is still a chance that the drive wants to see it's original PC. Maybe if he plugs it into his original peice of equipment it may work. If not like you said, it comes with the job. Great video
@azis7281
@azis7281 11 ай бұрын
Yup it should be checked by puttin back to its original place. Not a guarantee but worth a try.
@nickwaters2802
@nickwaters2802 11 ай бұрын
Start with a good microscope like northridgefix microscope and a good soldering iron like sugon a9, really that's all you need. Hot air later, like atten ST-862D. These tools make it much easier to get really good at microsoldering.
@nickwaters2802
@nickwaters2802 11 ай бұрын
Microscope is arguably the most important, it gives you superpowers to microsoldering. If you are careful, anything is possible with a good microscope
@MlnscBoo
@MlnscBoo 11 ай бұрын
@@nickwaters2802 Thanks for the tips guys. I'm going to eventually get one of NF's microscopes but right now I have to work with what I got. It's a Cannon rebel t7. The cool part is I bought a 58mm reverse lens ring and extension tubes. Just with the reverse lens ring I'm able to see the individual pixels on my 4k panel. I also looked at the little owl in the top right hand corner of a dollar bill and it makes it as big as my hand on my tv screen lol. It's pretty cool
@CooLDEaFY4204Me
@CooLDEaFY4204Me 11 ай бұрын
At least you do your best for customer. Yea sometime you win, sometime you lose is scientific fact. Sorry for customer unable to get info...it's so motivated for me watch your work. I'm ready to order electronics tools through your sites Alex soon. Can't wait. 😊
@robertmosen6126
@robertmosen6126 11 ай бұрын
You sir, are a magician. Very impressive work.
@dobaayaz
@dobaayaz 11 ай бұрын
Solder on gold plated pin can make difference 12:41
@GenericPast
@GenericPast 11 ай бұрын
I wondered if that was solder or plating chipped off
@kesindestek9329
@kesindestek9329 11 ай бұрын
Video ve ayrıntılı bilgi için teşekkürler, Önemli olan bilgi. Her zaman onarım olmuyor.
@m-elokkichawki9694
@m-elokkichawki9694 11 ай бұрын
hello first time seeing you reballing .....expert job as expected from a master
@MaqsoodAlamShafiq
@MaqsoodAlamShafiq 10 ай бұрын
Your hands are amazingly steady. I bet you could have been the best neuro surgeon had you opted for a medical degree 👍🙂
@Emulation_Inflation
@Emulation_Inflation 7 ай бұрын
Damn. That's a small reball. The settling of the chip is so satisfying.
@MikkoRantalainen
@MikkoRantalainen 4 ай бұрын
8:49 Wow! That's small. Great work on reballing that one!
@tmark33
@tmark33 11 ай бұрын
Wow man, that is an excellent work 👋
@TheAnkit211
@TheAnkit211 3 ай бұрын
Fantastic JOB , Alex beautiful soldiering skills. Its one of the reason why not trust nvme .... definitely not to a cheap one. Always take backup from any form of solid state drive . HDD gives signs of failing or degradation. SSD DOES NOT !!
@hebe1792
@hebe1792 11 ай бұрын
Masterpiece! Too bad it did not work out, but the work was first class.
@twitch54304
@twitch54304 8 ай бұрын
I’m ordering that universal stencil as soon as I’m done watching this!
@vassilischr
@vassilischr 11 ай бұрын
The music at the end of each video was very good, bring it back.
@kevinhoward9593
@kevinhoward9593 11 ай бұрын
your videos are very informative.
@Oheng75
@Oheng75 8 ай бұрын
Omg the suspense of waiting for the drive to popup.
@MinusMedley
@MinusMedley 11 ай бұрын
I can certainly suggest linking it to an actual motherboard's slot to double check, USB peripherals tend to cause issues when assigning drive letters and can misread partition info like the drive's MBR/GPT tables.
@claudiotonelli7709
@claudiotonelli7709 4 ай бұрын
Compliment for your video!! Great!
@kennedyabellana8813
@kennedyabellana8813 10 ай бұрын
Its ok master sometimes good but somtimes bad.but your the one direct to the point.idol....
@CooLDEaFY4204Me
@CooLDEaFY4204Me 11 ай бұрын
More videos of NF. Alex is awesome. Always enjoy watch your work.. always excited about your teaching. Awesome. Better than FaCToRY lol
@MrGeneralScar
@MrGeneralScar 11 ай бұрын
nice work. I wonder if checking it out with the thermal camera will show a different component getting hot now that the cap and the microchip was replaced. Perhaps there is more wrong with it other than the NAND chip.
@goshm
@goshm 11 ай бұрын
Hi dear Alex, I had the same issue with the same m.2 NVMe and it only worked when I’ve tried it in another reader, for some reason few of those m.2 drives are not getting read by certain readers, I’ve got about 7 different ones and it only works in 2 of them, even though they are all NVMe readers.
@mrgatogrande4284
@mrgatogrande4284 11 ай бұрын
Agreed, I have an NVME drive that does NOT work on an adapter, but works flawlessly when connected directly to the computer. The adapter works fine with all other drives.
@SuperSpecies
@SuperSpecies 10 ай бұрын
Should be ok in a real thunderbolt reader without conversion to usb
@shokdj1
@shokdj1 6 ай бұрын
You make it look so easy, I’ve failed too many times reballing lol
@shokdj1
@shokdj1 6 ай бұрын
I think I’ve worked it out my solder paste is too wet
@mugabirapaul8653
@mugabirapaul8653 11 ай бұрын
great work bro
@hpat225
@hpat225 11 ай бұрын
Great video. 👍
@markcondrey2297
@markcondrey2297 10 ай бұрын
Alex, come on man! You can’t fix a simple cracked memory chip? Lol nice work, your problem solving skills are top notch.
@x66Hawk66x
@x66Hawk66x 9 ай бұрын
Hats off too that reball job. sad result but overall the best anyone can do.
@RejectedManiac
@RejectedManiac 11 ай бұрын
Great video Alex. Quick question. Do you use an ultrasonic cleaner to clean the flux from underneath BGA chips you replace? Not necessarily data recovery. Or do you just leave flux there? Amtech has told me its okay to leave flux underneath BGA chip. Thanks!
@macmurphy05
@macmurphy05 11 ай бұрын
Comes from my Hometown, get fixed in US and i watch the Video in Portugal.
@wurstwasser6567
@wurstwasser6567 5 ай бұрын
I've never seen anything like it on this scale. Reballing is always like that, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But it doesn't matter what was done here is so difficult, just the steady hand you need 😱👍
@marwanmoussa7221
@marwanmoussa7221 11 ай бұрын
Try attach it to the PC again and check drivemanger to see the drive info and partitions. By the way, you can tell if a drive is NVME by it having many data line pairs going to the PCIE connector (see 00:54). The sata only have 2 pairs.
@Andy76swe
@Andy76swe 6 ай бұрын
It doesn't look like an NVMe connector.. It looks like an M.2 Sata connector
@user-fx9hp2ss9w
@user-fx9hp2ss9w 11 ай бұрын
I love your videos sir 💚💚💚💚💚💚 I am from India 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳 Your videos are very useful.
@naeemn45
@naeemn45 11 ай бұрын
Hi Alex, During initial soldering of the reballed chip. What was the temperature and flow values. After contact was made. What were the values afterwards?
@tek4u22
@tek4u22 11 ай бұрын
amazing man !
@2368rafa
@2368rafa 11 ай бұрын
Hola, genial trabajo. Has consultado si pudiera ser un problema de firmware del disco?
@leslielamptey8328
@leslielamptey8328 11 ай бұрын
Welcome back boss
@somebodythatiusedtoknoooooooow
@somebodythatiusedtoknoooooooow 4 ай бұрын
Nice work, the end tip of the tweezers is bigger than the component haha
@mohamedatheef6284
@mohamedatheef6284 5 ай бұрын
that 9th dimension was hilariours 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@dewocomputersalatiga
@dewocomputersalatiga 11 ай бұрын
Very impressive work,i'm to long not reball
@MotherboardClinic
@MotherboardClinic 11 ай бұрын
I have always longed to see you do reballing task.Nice to see you use this stencil. What if the Nand chip is desoldered and read via jtag? If successful dump data is transfered to new chip and installed.
@tipanatiinformatica
@tipanatiinformatica 11 ай бұрын
a tip, always protect the connectors with kapton tape. Good job
@hossemrahem3537
@hossemrahem3537 11 ай бұрын
Thanks alex you are doing great and profes job i ask if you have an lc meter device to measure caps and coil getting their real value for replacing the proper and exact component
@kangarif9166
@kangarif9166 3 ай бұрын
Amazing👍
@ADRdaniel
@ADRdaniel 3 ай бұрын
Alex you could image the drive and try an extraction tool if the computer recognizes the drive as a drive I've recovered many coustmers data this way.
@deeharris1908
@deeharris1908 11 ай бұрын
I had the same issue on 1 of my daughters drives wen trying 2 read on pc, could see the drive on screen but couldnt read from it, inserted the drive into the pc again and it was as simple as changes to the drive properties, whatever the file format was saved as, changed the file format and it allowed me access 2read the files
@JohnDoe-ot6he
@JohnDoe-ot6he 11 ай бұрын
WOW the comparison of the chip with a penny 😵
@user-qf2ih6ti8f
@user-qf2ih6ti8f 11 ай бұрын
Hi, Alex ... Yes if the nand chips is the problem then...no solution The M.2 drive is an old generation of M.2 NGFF (Next Generation Form Factor) the B key, then later generation came the M.2 NVME , M key... I wanted to say, the M.2 reader , do support all M.2 drives... because some didn't... If the problem is the nand chip, then on any readers won't see the drive... Thanks...
@andrewgjkgjk
@andrewgjkgjk 11 ай бұрын
That cap you replaced looks like it has 4 leads? Are the ones in the center operative or just for mechanically holding it in place?
@crispuloguerrero9266
@crispuloguerrero9266 11 ай бұрын
Let’s be honest the operation won’t succeed bud we’ll learn so much from it keep working hard bro you know what you are doing there I’m a tech myself and you work very smart not just hard👍
@amarsrayer8141
@amarsrayer8141 10 ай бұрын
Impressive. That flux product you lay all over the board isn't a problem when it covers the connector?
@ottospoelstra2481
@ottospoelstra2481 11 ай бұрын
You can also use solderballs and heat them with low airflow
@yusufyeltepe2066
@yusufyeltepe2066 11 ай бұрын
Adamsın. Büyük usta...
@Dwedit
@Dwedit 11 ай бұрын
Maybe try using a disk hex editor (such as HXD) to see if the disk sectors are readable at all.
@UnCoolDad
@UnCoolDad 11 ай бұрын
Should have measured the cap for future reference.
@zaprodk
@zaprodk 11 ай бұрын
It's not a cap. It's a LC-pass-trough filter.
@SuperSpecies
@SuperSpecies 10 ай бұрын
How do you measure a faulty cap?
@ahmedshibani9248
@ahmedshibani9248 11 ай бұрын
My be it’s need to restore from old one If they reprogrammed 🧐 But you have done a good job 👏👏👏👍
@PolyCube71
@PolyCube71 11 ай бұрын
What kind of soldering pliers do you use to desolder smd capacitors for example? Can't find it in your shop!
@silasrush1903
@silasrush1903 8 ай бұрын
What temperature do you set your heat to when removing these components?
@extra-VS
@extra-VS 11 ай бұрын
يعطيك العافية جرب غير الكونترولر
@jk_bc
@jk_bc 11 ай бұрын
What kind of ic is? a regulator? did you measure on diode mode its pads?
@FSX3000
@FSX3000 11 ай бұрын
I took my Samsung M.2 to my local shop and it was still in warranty. It had the same problem, the pc would see something but it would freeze. But the guy with his equipment that he couldn't tell me what it was he saw that there was some corrupted sectors on the control part. Idk if that chip was the control, it might of been. I would get something to read that old chip and maybe copy the information if available
@PremiereHell
@PremiereHell 11 ай бұрын
Is ASM vs V2 different , it looks different. A KZfaq channel informed me there was a difference and that there has been a mislabeling. ASM is light yellow vs V2 more darker brown. What's better? He was buying from a brake off seller in the us.
@KieranShort
@KieranShort 11 ай бұрын
Maybe try plugging the m2 drive directly into a motherboard rather than going through an external USB controller. Maybe something in the USB controller didn't handle the fault very well. Maybe the motherboard or CPU controller could do it better?
@alexcoetzee9349
@alexcoetzee9349 7 ай бұрын
🙃 you defently know your work, and you do it from your heart.. even if you say WE and not i or me... lol good job.
@briansharp8003
@briansharp8003 11 ай бұрын
I have had good lucc using testdisk to read bad disks and drives.
@orozcocris93
@orozcocris93 11 ай бұрын
i can understand replacing the cap for the original but wouldn't it be faster to just check each cap to make sure they measured the same?
@ParkNathan
@ParkNathan 11 ай бұрын
Legendary
@Dheazzo
@Dheazzo 11 ай бұрын
Me too I was nervous and when exactly you said wait a minute an Amazon advert popped up and I almost vomited my heart out. Let me ask a simple one, now that the reballing stencil is in stock should we expect alien wares to have there GPU/CPU’s rebelled and marked as a fix??
@fraenkiboii
@fraenkiboii 11 ай бұрын
What's the paste you applied for re-balling? Is it "just" regular soldering paste? And did you heat it up??
@xlwirelesselectronicrepair
@xlwirelesselectronicrepair 11 ай бұрын
Solder paste for reballing ic chips 183c
@lanfear552
@lanfear552 11 ай бұрын
Not working? I was under the impression that the B & M key of this drive means it's SATA, which does not support hot plugging. Was this also tested with a reboot (with the drive plugged in)?
@shawnstuart1029
@shawnstuart1029 6 ай бұрын
at 11.43 the pad contact looks to be torn (bottom right of screen). perhaps why its not reading
@curtiswlkr
@curtiswlkr 10 ай бұрын
Curious... couldn't you have swapped the nand chip onto the new board the customer brought in?
@suryavanshib
@suryavanshib 11 ай бұрын
Awesome ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻
@glmnet
@glmnet 11 ай бұрын
12:36 He moved the component about 0.2mm (0.008 inch) when "tap, it pushes back", the m.2 connector pitch is 0.5mm
@WillWorkForRic3
@WillWorkForRic3 10 ай бұрын
After applying the solder paste over the chip with the stencil, you used a q-tip to clean over the top. Was it flux or iso on the q-tip, or dry?
@jaudioeu
@jaudioeu 9 ай бұрын
dry
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