I have a canon R5. Which cheapest config will help me not use proxies and edit smooth?

You can't be on a budget buying a MacBook Pro, you just can't hahahahahahahahaha need to close more loans and get that 1% gross profit from your closings first

You have a Mcbook Air ? Gold

All youtubers review machines and rave about their video editing capabilites, and benchmark Premiere and Final Cut and Da Vinci Resolve. WE DO NOT CARE! VIDEO EDITING IS YOUR JOB, NOT YOUR VIEWERS'! We are not youtubers or video editors. We have very different jobs and needs. Did you ever wonder what benchmarks your viewers need to see? Is it too hard to ask and get some feedback?! PLEASE DO SOME SCIENTIFIC BENCHMARKS! Is it so hard to do a WOLFRAM MATHEMATICA or MATLAB benchmark?! Or a linear algebra benchmark? How about a simple matrix multiplication? Come on Max, you can do better.

@@harrym8556 lol. This is a video creator's channel not a science or math channel. I cover video editing here for video shooters and editors. Check out my other channel Max Tech for a wide variety of tests but not algebra benchmarks we've never heard of someone even request that. Hopefully, someone who knows about this can test it.

Didn't understand. can you please explain

@@atanudhar7666 chips that have functional defects in certain elements have those elements disabled and then sold as a less expensive part. All of this is completely normal and happens with every chip vendor. It improves yield and helps make chips less expensive across the board for everyone.

I've seen this from other KZfaqrs. They order several so they can do relative comparison videos. Surprised a channel with less than 200k subs could afford to drop $25k on hardware like that - impressive.

@@JasonTaylor-po5xc You can always throw them all on a credit card and return them after the comparison reviews are filmed.

@@syoung20001 Dude, what kind of credit card limit do you have?

in short i think the 24 gpu max model would suit you best bcause you get the additional doubled media cores !

@@mralxndr2846 agreed. Make sure to tick hardware acceleration within your NLE settings

Wait for the actual facts to arrive these are still early days

+1. Hope Max or Vadim will see your comment ))

If you use Motion 5's RAM preview feature, you probably want 64gb RAM

Same. In addition to 3D animations as well. I know they showcased some Cinema4D in the Apple Event so I'm assuming they would only do that if they were confident in its performance?

I honestly think Max is one of the best Mac reviewers out there, but his tests are focused on the editing and export stages of post production. I would like him to include some tests relevant to people in audio (Logic Pro, Audition, Fairlight page in Resolve), motion graphics (Motion, After Effects, Fusion) and 3d animation (Cinema 4d, Blender).

@@tonytech5520 up vote. I can’t know him as that his work flow abs what he is the most knowledgable about real world. But I do feel there is a gap in the coverage as it relates to music production specifically.

That would be so helpful

They will as soon as they are actually delivered. All the current videos just rely on specs.

EXACTLY!!!! Its an editors Nightmare!

Curious, did you ever end up getting one?

Exactly, he always do render tests. What it means to us, when it don't play smooth on timeline. Make professional reviews.

Facts

lol my freind in the future 64 gb will be the new base and you are wasting your money now. unless you make 6 figures a year i say dont do it

@@amandaburleson2035 probably but then I would have to trade in the Mac and upgrade. Buying two macs, time lost due to having to reinstall software etc is going to cost me more. Infrequent big leaps is better than frequent small ones. Couldn’t you say the same about all the tech. Why buy a pro now in a few years the MacBook Airs will have the same power and memory.

intel one?

Same 😅

@@Mobiltelekomnet you can't buy the Intel ones anymore

same

@@davexmit with price to performance you are substantially saving money compared to intel macbook pros

I bought the Mac mini with those same specs and it is literally the snappiest Mac I’ve ever had. The M1 is simply awesome. M2? M3? Those should be mind-blowing.

@@edwarddodge7937 I got the same! Are you upgrading to this laptop?

​@@edwarddodge7937 M1 was the biggest leap. Performance gains should become increasingly incremental in the future

Hi! I was wondering how did the macbook turn out for you and what do you use it for? I want to buy a macbook as a second computer (already have a pc) but the new MBP is kinda out of my budget and my second option was the m1 macbook air with those specs :)

I have an M1 and if I use more than one layer on premiere pro it slows down significantly

Hey if you need incentive.. always get more RAM.. for reasons

Think of it as more lanes on a highway instead. It won’t use more, your applications determine How much is used

that's really a shit move of apple.

base...

Would maybe be kinda overkill with 64 gigs imo! You basically maxed out everything it better be future proof :D

Great comment. Would you recommend video editors go for 32GB?

I’m planning to go for 32gb but I’m still curious about 64gb, is this really practical overkill like people are saying? If I’m doing 3-4 camera multicams in 4K will 32gb be sufficient. If at some point I incorporated 6k or 8K would 32gb still be sufficient or should I consider 64gb? I plan to use this computer for a long time so future proofing is a major consideration.

@@Karl_vulture While this may sound lame, it really all depends on your real needs. Know yourself and your needs, do you earn your money doing these things and if not, is this a hobby you are committed to? If you are e.g. a law student writing your PhD thesis you can simply go for the base model and be fine for the next five years (nothing agains law, just trying to make the point clear). While some swapping will happen over time of usage, it won't slow you down to unbearable degrees and you can save yourself that money. If you are doing software engineering, video editing or something like that professionally and want to keep the machine more than just 1-2 years (those youtubers who recommend a machine which they say "is sufficient" always swap out their machines with the next release unless you haven't noticed that yet while most people out there keep theirs more like 4-5 years). I personally use 64gb in my main machine for software engineering and it's not a little bit overkill. When I have my typical environments all loaded up (i.e. 1-2 workspaces, all virtual environments, servers, db instances etc I need) including other basics (e.g. microsoft teams, thunderbird etc which unlike said in this youtube video you actually need to have open all day long if you want to be productive ... I have better things to do then opening and closing these apps all day long) my typical ram load will hover around 45-48gb ram. Whether swap will be used in addition to that depends on your personal setup (linux by default does not swap until ram is full, mac os and windows swap quite early but you can turn this off with small hacks ... however, if you do that and your ram ever runs full your machine instantly crashes obviously losing your current state of data, hence you can't simply change that via OS menus). All my colleagues use 64gb and none wants to go back to their old 32gb machines who lag around on these big workspaces. When comparing low and high amount of RAM on systems you should look at the right benchmarks. Good extensive testing is very time consuming, therefore most people on the internet just do the basic benchmarking stuff. E.g., while it is nice that people post benchmarks of 32gb vs 64gb ram rendering export times of videos, this is not where RAM is really needed that much. Sure, you get like a 10% boost if you have the extra RAM, but the difference is not that big for most people since the only delay you have is when new frames are being loaded (not the whole clip needs to be in RAM all the time for the export). However, what happens when you apply effects live on your timeline and want to see the results (which is how you want to edit to be efficient), whenever you need to get parts of the data from your SSD (even a 7.4GB burst highend SSD with their around 1GB/s random access rates are ridicously slow compared to 200 or 400gb/s memory interface) before your gpu or cpu can apply the effect everything will feel really slow. It's simple math and how computers work. Unified memory is not new, system on a chip designs have been around literally forever. The reason regular computers have separate RAM and GPU memory is due these reasons: 1. different manufacturers (e.g. nvidia vs intel) who create their components 2. customizability (setting up all kinds of different systems unlike a one-time fixed configuration you get here which can not be changed later) 3. GPU RAM is extremely fast compared to normal RAM for CPU (e.g. a regular nvidia rtx 3080 has more than 800gb/s while even high-end quad-channel desktop systems only achieve above 100gb/s, most dual channel regular systems are way below that). That ridiculously fast GPU memory is also extremely expensive, hence GPUs don't have that much RAM. This Apple design is a middle ground, way faster than normal RAM but much slower than regular GPU ram of discrete GPUS. However, your memory needs are normal CPU RAM + GPU RAM, in a regular computer you would maybe right now run 32gb + 8/10gb on your video card (for a regular setup). That stuff does not automatically fit into 16gb with some magic. That's not how operating systems and memory management work at all. I only do video editing as a hobby, I use 8k footage and in my opinion 64gb is needed for fluent editing (i.e. without proxies). However, I am quite confident that you can make it work with sufficiently small proxies and when you don't go overboard with special effects. But it kinda seems that Adobe Premiere and DaVinci Resolve use whatever RAM you throw at it. I don't see that was a waste at all. If you don't go over a regular H.264, H.265 or ProRes RAW 10bit 4:2:2 with normal proxies and are pretty sure you want do that in the future, you should be pretty fine with 32gb (even though it's unified). I have tried editing on a 16gb machine and it swaps quite heavily, unless you use really small proxies you are fighting heavy lags all around. Still with proxies you will find micro-jitters once you apply any effects. If you only occasionally do it and make sure you really free up ram by closing everything else before that can definitely work, but I don't see how you are going to do sufficient work as a professional for 4-5 years to come if you actually want to earn money with it. All these constant lags and lost time will never make up for that price difference. I am sure Max can make a simple footage like the Canon R5 10bit 4:2:2 with heavy compression (that actually decides how much RAM you need), proxies and all other apps closed work with 16gb without any lags in the timeline for regular simple post processing stuff. But I don't see him doing the same having other apps open (like a realistic working setup for many people) or if you have to do more than that. I am also convinced that he won't be using a 16gb machine in the years to come, actually he ordered a 32gb setup for himself (cause that fits his needs for regular 4k footage editing while not having too much other stuff running at the same time) and as youtuber with a tech channel he will swap his setup anyways a couple of times in the time while you own your own machine. He kinda needs to swap and show off the new releases to keep his channel going while you lose quite some money if you were to sell and buy a new version every time a refresh comes out. Most people watching this video don't do heavy stuff like video editing (probably have never even tried it), don't earn their money with any of these performance hungry things, and just want a nice device with a great display, battery life etc which feels fast. These people should probably get something like a base model with 1TB SSD for their next five years. I don't see how you will be satisfied with a 16gb setup for the next years (since it's non upgradable) if you however do real software engineering, deep learning, physics simulations, 3d modeling, video editing or something of that sorts. Depending on your needs it's going to be either 32 or 64gb ram. If you need best bang for your buck you should get yourself a nice tower pc instead of a notebook anyways. But if you need that performance in a mobile setup or only want one machine for some reason (i.e. you can't do simple stuff like managing your mails on the go and your heavy duty work from home) well then you should actually go for a more expensive option. Other competitors on the market are not cheaper if you are looking for that kind of feature set. That's just the way it is. But if you really earn your money with it, it actually makes up a very small investment compared to other licences and equipment you need over these years. I feel like most people who are completely lost whether they need such an expensive option don't do this kind of work and definitely don't earn their money with it. Hence, they fancy owning it but know that it's more about bragging rights and they should just go for a base option and save their money for other nice things in life. Regarding 4k multicam and possibly higher res in the future: I don't use multicam, with proxies are probably fine for now but it will lag if you go for high res stuff in the future. If that's really what you do and this is your main machine, I would actually go for 64gb in your case (which luckily is the same upgrade price as from 16 to 32gb and not twice as much).

@@Karl_vulture I had the same idea to stretch the life out as long as possible like I've done with my Late 2013 MBP. But I figured, in 3-4 years when the laptops are way more powerful, I'll want to upgrade to take advantage of faster CPU's, etc. Rather than pay $4000+ today, I'm going to pay $2900, go with the M1 Pro 14" 32GB. It'll be solid for the next 3-4 years and then spend the same in 3-4 years from now. It may be slightly more expensive in the long run but I'll have an overall better experience.

Any info on this yet? THis is exactly what i need. SOmething that can handle this footage without hiccups

I also change my laptop only every 6 to 8 years so I will finally get the 14’ max

Why both may I ask?

@@DB-lr6kl Because we have multiple users in our hosehold.

Yup , 32GB might be more than enough and I recommend you 32 gigs

16 might be also enough for your usage

Actually, I think 8 is enough. This RAM is a different breed.

@@homejuju7293 8 might be a too little because I tried recording a bit of Deathloop on an M1 Air and had times where framerate on the recording dropped.

@@ChengTeoh you made sure it wasn’t thermal throttling?

Agreed, I had actually preordered the 8-core base 14" but after realizing that it was a bin model, I quickly canceled it. I feel like it'll obviously perform better than the M1 Air or the M1 MBP, but what I'm concerned about is the fact that they are binned CPUs/GPUs. If the cores have the potential to fail due to other faulty cores, would it make sense to buy the 8-core with Applecare? Or no?

That's a problem with premiere. FCPX and DR eat through that footage on M1.

@@makosports Same - I've used Resolve and Final Cut and it just cuts through FX3/A7SIII footage :D

​@@albyx Lol. binning doesn't work that way.....the faulty cores come from all fabs, in this case, TSMCs manufacturing process. It just means that a piece of dirt/lint landed on one or two of the cores, so they disabled them in the factory to still sell them and increase their yield per wafer. It doesn't increase the chance of damage to other cores at all. You've already probably used binned chips before......Intel Core i5's are usually binned down i7's, same with AMD ryzen chips, their 6 core 3600x/5600x use a binned 6 core chiplet vs the 5600x/5800x using a full 8 core chiplet.....Nvidia GTX 970/1070 etc were binned 980/1080 chips.....Even the base M1 has a 7 Core GPU.......AMD, Intel, Nvidia all bin till this day. Binning is standard in the industry. Otherwise they would be throwing away a lot of useful chips just because of a few damaged cores.......Especially in this chip shortage, binning is needed even more.......binned chips aren't faulty in some serious way....and don't have a high chance of failure. It'll be just fine. I think the best option for most people for the Macbook pros, both 14/16 are the base models with 16gb of memory and 1tb of storage. If you multi-task a lot or do a lot pro level work beyond basic productivity, or need to game/emulate windows, then 24 core M1 max with 32GB of memory and 1 or 2tb of storage. Most people don't need the 32 Core max, Unless you are a die hard gamer, heavy 3d graphics pro etc. Most people don't need 64GB Memory, unless you are working with gigantic files and using multiple heavy pro apps at the same time, or running a lot of vms. Most people don't need 4/8tb of storage, unless you are working with gigantic pro-res/raw files/projects and hate carrying around an external ssd. For me, as a gamer, light pro, Macbook Pro 16, M1 Max 32 Core GPU, 32GB Memory, 2TB Storage. Perfect.

@@kninezbanks thanks so much for your breakdown, including what you know on binning, I certainly didn’t know all that! With that said, I certainly feel better about not picking a bad product (I’ve heard of people ending up in an infinite loop of bad machines through AppleCare so I’d like to avoid being put in that situation, that was my worry)

The basic M1 would be plenty for final cut videos

If you’re buying these machines then 32gb should be your minimum

no way to install x86 windows.

I'm intrigued too. I mean the M1 Air can handle a lot of windows gaming through Parallels or Crossover. I couldn't get Crossover to work with most of my Steam library but it did work for some games and ran really well. Having double the GPU just in the base model I feel like...you just need the base model and it will run everything at full fps through virtualization on virtualization. Windows PCs really are over.

@@AndrewBernardin This is WIN10 ARM. Not x86

@@AndrewBernardin Well the death of the PC has be pronounced several times over the decades, I remember I was there, so I wouldn't go that far. If virtualization works good enough then it certainly will hurt "PC" through fewer people getting a secondary or gaming Windows PC. I hope tests are performed to find out. I can't do it myself as I can't order one for obvious reasons. I am poor, even my main PC is from 2014 lol. Glad to see someone else agreeing with me/wants to know more.

@@nnnnnn3647 you keep missing the word virtualization.

I need this answered

Just got some insights from someone else about this question. Apparently it is all about how much tasks and file size you plan to run in the foreground and background at the same time. In which case, most users who just uses their computer to run a couple of programs at once would get amazing speeds even with basic to mid level setup. Save to say I think getting just the M1 Pro with a bit more RAM would do just fine help future proof the computer before the next upgrade.

On maxtech channel

It’s only $200 to upgrade the top-bin PRO to bottom-bin MAX. He says that’s worth it. You get double the encoders/memory bandwidth and probably better cooling.

@@edwarddodge7937 It's not a $200 upgrade. It's a $600 upgrade that requires a minimum of 32gigs of RAM as the base for the Max.

@@boi. that is correct and Why I was hesitant about it. Caved in tho and have the bottom line Max which i feel will last a year or two more than top of the line pro due to RAM and GPU. Maybe Im wrong tho.

@@viktor.m. I settled for a spec'd out M1 Pro because the others are binned chips. I upgrade my MacBook Pro every 1-2 years because I simply love upgrading. I think most people prefer those in the resale market. M1 Max is for those who keep their laptops much longer, but I don't think they do as well because most people who want a maxed out Mac have $3k to spent and probably don't want it secondhanded. With the way Apple chip scales, I expect another 70% performance jump with the M2 Pro/Max which would make me feel like my M1 Max is already outdated. But that's how tech evolves anyway.

Thanks. I need to run many tracks on Logic Pro. Also, use it as a synth/piano “brain”. Which one should I get?

If you’re video/photo work is intensive, 16gb will not be enough. I would get the 64gbs if you are a working professional who needs it to work with no issues

If you want long term then 32gb since applications will only get more demanding

What a nice a worthy cause, I wish you all the best. I would say look at the recommended specs for the programs you are going to use and then either double it if you have the money or see what is needed the most, I.e ram, GPU or CPU

Accessibility in the computer industry often has half-hearted focus, so its nice to see someone wanting to focus on that. The notch isn't really a notch. Its extra screen added to the top for the OS menubar, to help save screen space. The drawback of that is the full 16 : 10 screen will black out the top extra screen by the notch for full screen and then it looks like just a big bezel on the top... but the 'notch' doesn't get down into the main content like it does on phones. Developers can also use that area if they want for things. Its sort of like how the touchbar used to be on the keyboard, its a bit of extra screen for a special area. I love small, light and portable as much as possible, so I went with a 14" one myself. 16 or 32 is up to you. If you are just going to school for Comp Sci, any config is more than what you'll need. I find it funny people are so spoiled with battery life. I recall the times when a laptop came out that really could run for 3 whole hours, and people thought that was so great and they could get all their work done without finding a power outlet... its slowly increased from there, and people complain today about 12 to 17 hours being low 🤣. If you are barely using your machine more than what you could do on an iPad, I think the battery life will hold up well because it can do almost everything on the efficiency cores.

It quite obvious, that with the newly revealed High Performance mode for the 16 inch MAX, that the fans will need to work hard, and somewhat noisy to get rid of the 60 plus Watts in such a relatively thin package.

This is exactly why I got the PRO chip in my 14 inch instead of the MAX. Thanks for the breakdown!

Final Cut shouldnt be too hard to use if you came from iMovie. They are similar only that FCP has more stuff to offer.

the cooling system is better on the 24 core? :S

32GB. Adobe minimum requirements are 32GB for video. You can find that in their official website, and keep in mind that they also require a video card which usually have 8, 12 and 16GB of memory. Combine the memory and video memory it will have more than 32. Unified memory is faster and yes the base model handles fine but they all have limits and the memory limits them. The 64GB still crashes in Premiere with only a few layers of 4k 120fps high res and 8k. So don't over glorify these MacBooks. I do have the 64GB and it does crash under heavy load. ALL machines crash, and ALL have limits. There is no such thing as an overkill when it comes to video, files grow exponentially it is crazy. Also keep in mind that with the 16GB you wi be limited in experimentation and future files if you upgrade your gear later on. Unless you're planning to not upgrade your cameras and work with the same footage for longer than what you plan to have the computer. If you plan to upgrade buy what will handle what you're going to upgrade to in the future. Computers are expenses, yes expenses, unless you buy them strategically so they become investments. Buying technology too tight will make you spend more money later. I have hated myself in the past for buying things and needing to upgrade them sooner than later because I have been cheap and tried to save 600, 800 but then spent 3500 to upgrade what I shouldn't have to if I have been more flexible. ONLY buy the 16GB if you edit off of cellphone footage and photos from cellphones, low res files from entry level cameras like Canon RP, Sony A73, A6 line up, Canon Rebel, Fuji Xt's... if you use Sony A7S3, Canon R5 and above like FX3, FX6 C300, C500, RED, ARRI def get the 32 at least of you barely do any edits to your vids. And if youre getting the 32GB it would be wise to just get the Max 24GPU instead of just the pro, or 32 core if you just might as well spend more jist because you are already going expensive.