Excellent video keep them coming

You should take into account your lack of shooting skills while looking at those groupings

Great content! Thank you.

I’m too stocking up on Hornady, while have bad experiences with the Winchesters. Love this video guide and I’ll be stocking up the Hornady

Man I have just touched in to the AR platform. Took Winchester white box to the range and had my wife spot for me. Ruger AR556 with irons at 100 yards. She said out loud “that Winchester is garbage”. It was everywhere. I had Bosnian surplus ammo that shot better. Hornady Frontier is way better. Thanks for mirroring and confirming my results.

I stick to one 5.56 brand when done testing because different brands have higher or lower fps and all other brands won't be zeroed to the brand you zeroed with.

My experience at 200 meters, Frontier M193 comes in at 2 MOA, while Federal is consistently 4 MOA. Never used PMC but will try it.

nice video! ( at lest the second half, i had to skip through the actual shootin!) Im surprised that the Hornady was the best as i figured that was kinda a cheaper version of m193. I would love to see the same test with m855!

Three of my 20" ARs love Winchester/Lake City 55gr M193. One inch groups at 100 yds are easy. OTOH all three have Wilson barrels. Wilson makes a lot of AR barrels. My most accurate AR with M193 is a Green Mountain 20". I have shot several 1/2" groups at 100 yds with it. It is all about barrel quality sports fans.

Pro tip: Unless you're using a specific BDC reticle, it really doesn't matter that much. Especially if you're running a red dot. If you zero 55 grain, 62 grain or 77 grain to 50 yards with a 14.5 or 16 inch barrel, you're still hitting inside a 4 inch target area at 300-400 yards. I used to be like a lot of people getting obsessed with maximized accuracy on a combat rifle, but in reality, it really doesn't matter what ammo you use unless you're using a match grade gun with match grade ammo for a specific purpose like hunting small game or doing extreme long range shooting.

Pmc xtac 55g is my bulk go-to for a min. Turners has solid deals and I'm grouping bout 1.5" with 1:8 16". Hornady is better, but it does fluctuates in price alot and can get expensive for my bulk shooting.

Is the barrel a 14.5 that was pinned and welded to 16" or is it a 16" with a p&w a2?

My favorite ammo is Frontier 5.56 55gr BTHP match... In my rifle it shoots 1 inch groups at 100 and for the quality it isn't too expensive... $12.99 a box online. But I need to give their cheap stuff a try too!

Frankly saying , there many variable in the test : temperature , rifle twist , trigger and ammo . With my AR I build myself with DD 1/7 barrel and American eagle 55gr ammo I was getting around 1,3 MOA ( not inches , MOA ) with 62gr Green tips I was getting somewhere between 1,35 to 1.75 MOA . Is it good or is it bad ? For almost 400 dollars barrel I am not impressed , however - 1/7 twist was made to shoot something around 62 grain and up , preferably 77gran . So , you can really win in this game : do you want a cheap ammo to shoot , or do you want the accuracy on the long range shot ? You can’t have both

I have this hunch that manufacturers large and small, ever since covid, have been just cranking rounds- QC take a back seat.

Surprised imi 5.56 193 not tested. Had great consistency with it with accuracy and fps usually at around 3100 fps out of 16 inch barrel.

Thanks man I panicked when I saw my AR shot a 4in group with the Winchester !

If I’m not mistaken, the military typically uses the M856 62GR round out of their M4’s. They’re slowly switching over to the M855A1 which has similar accuracy to the original version. But if that is a 1:7 Twist barrel It will probably see better accuracy with 62GR+ weight ammo.

but they all hit im relatively the same place right? regardless of brand. It looks to me like the more you shot, the better your groups were getting.

Good information, thanks for making this video. Not too surprised about the Winchester. Their ammo has always performed pretty poorly across the board in my experience, and I have refused to purchase their ammo in years. I really like PMC x Tac and get about similar performance from my rifle as you did.

did you let the barrel cool between ammo changes?

I would love to see the same test with m855!

I’m pretty fortunate, I stumbled upon Hornady Frontier ammo for my AR pretty early on. It’s far and away the most accurate for the price round through that gun. Every time I go to something else, I’m disappointed. My training ammo is their 55 gr FMJ or BTHP, then to zero in a new optic or anything past 100 yds I go to their 68 gr BTHP. Ruger MPR 18” barrel, Trijicon Credo 1-8X28mm LPVO, Geissele 2-stage Super Tricon trigger. Agreed, Winchester is generally the worst big name brand ammo out there. All of my reman out performs that round/brand. How the mighty have fallen.

I like you have found that Hornady & X-TAC are great inexpensive 5.56. 😎

Love Frontier Ammo.

Same luck out of Winchester and herters in 5.56 and 9mm. Both junk to me in several platforms and pistols. Great content by the way👍🇺🇸

I love the hornandy i have wolf's now haven't taken them out yet

I would like to add for those who care, pmc primer pockets are way out of spec, i usually have to put a lot of work into pmc when reloading

I don't know if it's true but someone told me the Lake City Winchester m193 is basically the rejects from the military, I don't know what the criteria is that would make them be rejects ,maybe OAL or maybe just inconsistent OAL , who knows and however I will say at least Winchester was the most available during the last ammo shortage, in my area anyway. In my M4A1 I don't have any difficulties making (combat accurate hits) out to 300 with Winchester m193 and just an EOTech red Dot. On a 12-in steel plate.

I ran the Frontier m193 stuff for a while. It ran very well through my rifle. Someone told me that he did not trust it and I found some supporting info online. I decided to exhaust my supply. I have not really tried the PMC XTAC 55gn FMJBT yet. I have heard and read good things about it.

I have had the same result with Winchester

Your Hornady fr200 or fr100? The 200 was lake city loaded and now im seeing mostly fr100 which is Hornady loaded on ivi Canadian brass.

From my testing there's 5 "true" M193 choices. Those are Federal, PPU, Winchester, Hornady Frontier and my favorite, IMI. Everything else I've tested falls well below 3k fps out of a 16" barrel and have rather shit accuracy. The current lot of IMI & Frontier that I have are actually showing 3100 fps averages at muzzle and anywhere from 1.45 - 2.2moa. Last wolf gold lot I tested was horrible, couldn't get better than a 3.6moa, never had any luck with that junk.

where did you buy that PEQ15?

And yet the very next barrel made in the factory right after his could have different results. Winchester can be pretty dang good. Like decent speed rapid fire a full mag the whole group the size of a fist is possible.

Is hornady frontier discontinued?

Doesn’t matter too much what anyone else tells you about ammo. YOU need to try and test a bunch of brands, and see what shoots well out of Your barrel, and just stock up on that. Different barrels do better with different ammo. I don’t know why. It’s just the way the universe works.

What’s the twist rate on your barrel?

Just shot some win m193 today and got 4 inch group at 100. He'll my monarch 55 gr 223 brass did 3.5 inches at 100 today. It was the worst ammo I've used 😂. 16 inch barrel 1/7 twist midlength.

Funny, I consistently get two-inch groups with the Winchester ammo in a cheap Radical Firearms RF-15.

What is your Burrell length and rifling

For the sake of brevity you could try shooting 3-5 rounds rather than 15. My friend you're all over these targets. You shot a few shoots in one area then switch to another before emptying your mag. Hard to get any qualitative idea from that. again try staying with 3-5 rounds for the sake of time. PMC with a 1/7 twist rate looks pretty good. A 1/9 twist rate seems to stabilize the 55 gr bullets a bit better. I've a 1/7 twist barrel on my AR like yours. Thanks for posting this. You've confirmed that I didn't go wrong in ordering the PMC for target practice.

Subbed off of this video. My 1/9 AR loves the PMC X-TAC, but to me it's obvious you were trying to be fair... About to view your "Part 2" vid

Thank you for the video as things go this is a straight forward video I think what would it made your shots more consistent and tighter is having the right ACOG optic I don’t think your running the M4RCO ACOG, is specifically for the M4 carbine because the ballistics are different in that colt 14.5 inch barrel forget that the muzzle flash is welded to the barrel it’s still is a 14.5 inch barrel the ACOG you have I thinks is for the rifle length 5.56 and ballistics are different shooting out of a 20 or 18 barrel. Not many people know that if you gonna run a acog you better use the Acog specific to your barrel length. You could make the Acog you have work but you need to really adjust those windage knobs and have them on point.

This sort of testing might be a meaningful exercise but if the idea is to discern what shoots best the testing by the USAMU proves it’s Mk262, about .64 MOA at 300 yards. So, to develop marksmanship that’s the round to shoot as it will better reveal shooter/target error rather than non-match grade ammunition. BTW, for grins and giggles I’ve shot just about every .223 and 5.56 loading out there and my results mirror those of this video’s author. I suspect he knows how to shoot and I certainly know I know how to shoot as my record in US Service Rifle Competition proves it, earning the US Distinguished Rifleman Badge and American High Power Rifleman Award in Long-Range.

The "X" in XM193 means that the ammo is not certified "mil spec". Although I don't believe the military has used M193 since the mid-80's.

Thanks for making video for us. what we have is M193 commercial load since the real M193 specs. For years PMC is knowing to have mild loading compare to other commercial load. However depend on rifle and twist rate some shoot lower velocity ammo better than hotter load.

This is the video that I've been hoping someone would make for a long time! I would have done it myself, but I'm a total boomer who can barely turn on a computer, much less make videos. I've had wildly different results from different kinds of 55gr FMJ. Not only that, but I've had wildly different results from different barrels! I have one upper that shoots PMC Bronze (not M193, I know) into sub 2" groups and another upper that can barely keep them on a sheet of paper! Same story with Wolf Gold. Shooting groups off a bench can be boring but it's necessary to figure out what your individual gun likes.

While all of these loads shoot less than 2” 10 shot groups in my rifle. Your data tracks mine with the exception that federal performs just as well as Hornady with similar velocity. PMC was not bad, but winchester was dog shit and out of the 60 rounds I fired I had 2 light primers from winchester.

People are stupid when it comes to M193. They tend to love the brands that have lower than spec velocity and can’t group worth a shit.. That’s ok though because it leaves the better stuff that is closer to spec for me, hence why I love Frontier.

Now Do a Comparison Video on M855 Varieties 😀😀 Please and Thank You

I shoot Winchester in my rock river 1x9 chrome lined,and get a lot better groups than you get.

Something people should consider... Different brands of ammo will shoot differently in different firearms. Brand X may shoot atrocious in person A's rifle but may shoot ragged holes in person B's rifle. Just because Brand X shot great/horrible in someone else's gun is no guarantee it will shoot the same in yours.

Federal, Frontier and Winchester all loaded at LC

New manufactured M193 has been neutered, a lot slower than older M193.

I like to stockpile Winchester now that they're the ones loading Lake City

Lol 😆 now try on a non windy day. In case you're unaware winchester runs the lake city facility for a damn good reason. They make damn good ammo.

White box is loaded week is a government facility

I think the problem was your target was shaking.

barrels are like fingerprints, PMC is horrible in my rifle, Winchester isn't much better, and never had Frontier through the barrel for as long as I've owned it and Federal is good but dirty, about to break out a box of IMI to see if its any better and this may just be me but I also pull a bullet off one cartridge, weigh the powder and see if its ball or pellet just curiosity because I do like to see if I can replicate the load.

Q3131 is where it's at. 3242fps all day long.

Thats a 14.5" barrel, not a 16".

193 (55g) is a pretty good test but.... try the same brands in a 855 (62g). You may find different results. I normally run PMC 195 but a buddy of mine runs Winchester 855 and is very accurate (about a 1.5 inch spread) He has an IWI Zion 1:8 and I have the Radical Arms 1:7 and my spreads are about 1.7 ish with the 855. Just a thought.

Winchester ammo sucks out of my rifle too 62 and 55

Please try this test again with a 1:9 twist maybe 1:8......with same ammo..would love to see more optimal twist rates for this ammo....yes 1:7 will shoot fmj 55 grain but to my understanding it was and is not optimal..great video you earned a sub

Stay away from that frontier. I’ve seen a lot of exploded uppers from that shit. The PMC is the best out of all these in my experience

Dude you need to get a better barrel. None of my AR's shoot as badly as yours does. For the record M193 is designed and optimized for 20" barrel's.

Winchester has been terrible in 223 even indoors. PMC was much better

No IMI?

Duh, huh mil spec duh duh du uhh huh duh still don't know which is better.......

Never waste yer money on Winchester white box, it's been that way for years now, pure junk! Wolf/Tula shoots much better than Winchester 223. No surprise here for me, maybe PMC a little, whenever I shot it I was never impressed, but for bulk ammo FMJ it wasn't bad out of yer rifle.

M193 was to be used in a 1 in 12 twist. Try testing it with the right twist.

The Winchester 556 M193 is the closest to real M193. This is BS hahahaha

My take all junk or your rifle is not very good. You should at a minimum should get 2 MOA IMHO

If you are using 55gn 193 in tight twist 1:7 barrel, it is being very overspun and you will lose about 2 MOA. 55 gn wants 1:12.

Dude.. I think you either need to check the rifling in your barrel or get a shooting sled. A 1/7 or 8 twist decent quality barrel’s mechanical accuracy will not, 100% not, shoot 5 inch groups prior to it needing replacement. M193 isn’t Sierra Matchking $2 a round stuff but trust me the army didn’t choose a 5 MOA gun even back in 1982.

Looks like the guy is a bad shot. Captain tacticool probably didn’t loctite his optic either.

Blaming ammo for your groupings is pretty sad.

Maybe you just can't shoot

if ballistics matched published material, there would be no difference at all, but that is obviously not the case. some are trying to without using the "published" powder, primer, case, or bullet. and therefore not getting that infamous government contract, which requires around 32500 psi at 72 ft from the muzzle.

Who’s filming the target part? Michael j fox?

Comment section= "Blah blah blah blaaahhhhhh". Shoot what is best for YOUR rifle and YOUR wallet. End.