Rant too, but I'm curious about the engineering too.

Well, for starters i'd say Ford

I'm here to learn, the rant is just the icing on the knowledge cake

I'd like to see a Japanese car comparison. Unfortunately there are not many pure EV's from Japan.

Hell yes. Because he's right! Ford has some real innovation when it comes to some things (Ecoboost) but they really miss on a TON of the small stuff. You could have saved the company hundreds of millions of you doubled the number of head bolts on the 6.0 power stroke. They could have saved tens of millions by adding 2 more threads to the early triton engines. Their engineers have been shaving pennies at the expense of dollars.

True.

yup

Agree

The deep, vibrant orange. Not the ones that look faded. Agreed.

Exactly, an Orange that’s loud & proud of its Voltage.

Glad you enjoy it!

@@MunroLive absolutely. It takes confidence and skill.

But Munro is still invited by Ford, so I guess they appreciate it too.

@MunroLive You should consider getting an ID6 from China. Do it after the MachE but before the S Plaid. Would be interesting to see the latest updates on the MEB as it is stretched for LWB (ID6, ID8 & Buzz). Show more comparisons with MachE. Then hit us with the Plaid!

I'm not seeing more comparisons. I'm seeing one competitor of Tesla getting torn a new one as visibly as possible. It happens to be the one competitor that is selling high numbers and putting out a quality overall product. ESPECIALLY for a first EV. The first Teslas? Burned to the ground.... Makes you wonder who pays for these.

Haha the next word was definitely Bull$#!*

Thanks for being first to post everyone's comment. LOL

@@stevehockey4 What I love is that there is no pretense. It’s genuine - what you see is the real Sandy.

the light brown one!

In an interview with Cory Sandy one time talked about how he did not like Cory at first but then became impressed with his work, so they both clearly have storied history and an appreciation for each others personalities

Or a BYD

Yeah - I definitely want to see the Ioniq 5! AFAIK it has one of the first 48V systems on a mass production cars - if not the first?

Korean yes!

That'd be awesome!!

Almost certainly very similar to Tesla, those guys buy Sandy's reports

It’s not that they’re trying to make your life difficult, it’s the fact that so much of what you work on was made by suppliers. If the suppliers are tooled up for certain fasteners, they’re going to keep using it. At the end of the day, the suppliers can offer a lower price using their own design rather than Ford’s particular design, including whatever fasteners Bosch/Denso/ZF/Faurecia/etc. have on hand

recently did a water pump on 2002 f150, thankfully all 9!!!! fastners had the same size head, however there were 3 different lengths!!!

@@AnalogueKid2112 but you do realize when you are a large OEM you can dictate the terms to the suppliers and force them to change.. Doesn't matter what industry you are in.. but the big kid on the block always dictate the terms to their suppliers...

@@Mellowyellow8888 Sure but what value does it provide to Ford? The suppliers probably said we can provide our turnkey module that we’ve already designed or we can redesign it to use identical fasteners which will add 5 months to the design process and $3 per unit. We can see which option Ford chose here. In the long run, Ford is likely to bring a lot of these components in house, which will be a great opportunity to reduce complexity. The Mach E was meant to be an early mover that was good enough for most people. Not an Ultium solution (haha, see what I did there)

@@AnalogueKid2112 Suppliers are not the only problem. Removing a bumper for insurance, will have fasteners of different sizes which require several different tools. I will be taking apart a door, which in itself have different fasteners, then suddenly I come upon a bolt that require an 11 mm socket. I've never used an 11 mm socket on anything in my entire 34 years as a body tech. Not that anything is wrong; but why?

Oh, that's a good one Rik. You could be a writer for the upcoming mega movie- The Monroshank Redemption or the sequel We Got Rid of the Screws: The Revenge of Sandy

There has to be a joke in here about Bolts catching fire.

@@kirkjohnson9353 Is this a Screwball comedy?

Shouldn't it be 5 out of ten? I'll show myself out now.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Refactoring in Ford seems nonexistent

Preach it, Brother Sandy! As the good Dr. D. said, "Drive out fear!"

No such thing as repeating a method to perform the same function.

Maverick will prob have same issues then.. :( 2.0 turbo non hybrid ftw 🙌

They must have been doing some Black Friday deals

@@TennisGvy The bean counting execs up top must have had a field day. They bought one of each and told the engineers to cobble it all together into a "mustang".

Exactly. And I think that's largely the problem. It's not been properly production engineered.

Me too. It's a wonderful exercise is analysis, thinking and economy . If you applied all of these principles to a marriage you could be a happy guy.

You find it fastinating

@@FIGHTTHECABLE Thank you for that Punishment FTC :)

@@FIGHTTHECABLE You locked down that pun!

as emergency responder you should not need to worry about these connections ever actually. All you have to find and cut is the the 12V first responder loop, which will disconnect the High Voltage Battery internally.

When I worked for one of the big three in production engineering for wiring harnesses, one of the big issues was the color of the wiring and wiring placards. Plastic and printed colors, especially oranges, change with different artificial and natural lighting. Some oranges went very red in natural light. So we had additional indicators besides color to be sure the worker got it right. I can only imagine the trouble you guys have.

if you want to distinguish shades of pink/brown (skin), orange, red, etc. in the dark get yourself a flashlight with a "high CRI" LED. for duty light recommendations go to budgetlightforum.com or reddit.com/r/flashlight

You'd think SAE would have a standard for that. Fluorescent color lights up under LED light, which has a lot of ultraviolet.

Pretty sure that person is Corey here.

It appears people are just lazy and arrogant

Ford paid for what Tesla implemented. I'm a Tesla stockholder with an old old beef against Ford, but com'on Detroit, you won World War Two for cryin' out loud. Get your stuff together!

This is what you get when you only focused on outsourcing as cheap as possible for decades.

Top management at Ford should all be fired. Their bad management is hurting everyone, not just them and their custormers.

@@franzliszt3195 pretty ignorant comment with no facts to back anything you just posted. Their senior leaders are the best in a decade and will continue to improve on future designs. There are always trade offs on any product and for the most part the Mach E has been a well engineered product.

Silos, Silos everywhere, but not an email between

I had this in the office where I worked. When I moved departments, I found that both were using a small program to make a particular calculation. Both departments had built their own version without checking to see if there was any commonality between the two areas.

This is rampant at large corps of all types, lots of middle/upper mgmt types looking to build their own fiefdoms and don't know or care about what their department is doing

They are probably different suppliers for many of the components. It looks to me like the Mach-E is a "version zero" product - it just has to work, it doesn't have to look good. Refinement will come later. I don't think reliability will be great for a while with so many hoses and connectors.

@@chrislangstaff That is exactly what is wrong is most companies and govt and they die... slowly and painfully.

As an outsider I could see how you think that. As someone who's dealing with state of the art current automotive fastener development there are some major holes in his understanding. You can tell he's speaking from personal experience that's 20 years dated at times.

@@otm646 To be fastener factious and not really serious Screw you. Now on a serious note explain Sandy's alleged misunderstandings because just saying it is meaningless.

@@Barskor1 page through the previous videos usually I will leave a comment or two. On this video specifically I believe they have misidentified a torx plus, and they are clearly using the wrong socket for removal based on the counter taper. The torx plus standard was developed by Ford, it has been copied throughout the industry both by Tesla, Nissan and a few others. Low profile Torx plus is something that Tesla is very fond of. I'm not knocking him that hard, you can tell at one point he knew what he was doing. For general advice it's pretty solid. But he's not at a level that you would find in specialized IFI or internal fastener training geared to the design engineer or fastener production guys.

@@otm646 Ah a specialist Obscura so they used the wrong fork at dinner boo hoo.

@@otm646 "Clearly using the wrong socket for removal...." ? Doesn't that illustrate the problem? 2 screw types, on plain, one shouldered, with the same head type, applied to this whole unit, would seem possible? Single driver/ socket, reduced inventory for the fasteners? (Maybe not 2 types, but my point is that a little thought, maybe some conversation at the design stage could make things much easier)

Being aware of common sense doesn’t mean it’s applied.

Or as I like to say…common sense should be called uncommon sense because not everyone does it.

Statistically speaking 1/2 the population is stupider than the other half.

@@ChunkyMonkaayyy That's almost 50% !!!

Norms unnatural, humanity is inhumane, common sense is uncommon so whos really to blame?

Yup. Clearly time ran out for niceties.

And that reason is lack of common sense.

I was with GM 30 years ago and they were adopting Demings across the board, but it was a big ship to turn. At least in my plant we became more like a Japanese plant than a typical American one of the time. Quality went way up and scrape way down. We shrunk our parts and materials inventory from 30+ days to less than 3. I think what we are witnessing to some extent in these tear downs is regression.

At least they're all threaded in the same direction. Oops! I hope I didn't give Ford an idea for their next generation of threaded fasteners.

The dealers will be happy to make money from labour when the cars need repairs

@@UnipornFrumm That is exactly what I thought about, you make a perfect car, you go broke.

@@JohnPMiller OMG too funny!

Does every Ford franchised dealer that is EV trained have to buy all of these specialized tools in order to take these things apart or will they just replace the entire component? I think that I know the answer, replace the entire component, which is how Tesla does it!

Imagine if they hired a guy to co ordinate all the fasteners in the vehicle with the goal of having the least number of fasteners and the least number of types - accross all platforms. It's not even rocket science.

@@kirkjohnson9353 it’s also how they don’t make money, lmao. Seriously… 40-60 bucks for the plastic lever that folds a mustang seat forward….

@@gasser5001 It must have been a nightmare at times to find things.

Is the product still a Ford? Parts are OEMs and engineering is against the Ford engineering books. Exterior design is Ford I guess. Is it still Ford? Or just "assembled by Ford"...

@@NTNLabs Henry bought iron ore and sold cars.

@@jamesvandamme7786 Yep, that's hardcore carmaking. You put iron in one part of the factory and a car comes from the other side...

@@NTNLabs Nowadays he'd have to buy sand, too. Maybe after this chip shortage they'll consider it. But silicon foundries aren't cheap. SiC is worse.

Glad you enjoyed it!

But they allow repair. Plastic fasteners do not last through thermal cycles.

Watch this one on the Mach-e thermal system: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o5ebe9aVmLXHqJc.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iNZintd7m5ebZJc.html

I think what he's doing in yt earn much more than col

Everything he's saying is already taught in engineering schools... it's not like "use less parts" is a genius idea. Munro's contribution is the tear-down and reveal of how far from first principles modern OEM's have strayed.

Thanks

19:40 "I almost swore" - lol

And SOME guys get exited from that. 😉

Whip those cables around me

This makes me happt

Hey man, just asking cuz you seem to fit the description, you the fella who gave Munro 27k? Edit: Checked out the Facebook link in your About section, never mind my question!

Before anyone considers getting a Mach-e watch this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o5ebe9aVmLXHqJc.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iNZintd7m5ebZJc.html

Getting paid by the hour vs getting paid by the "bolt".

I like that Sandy is working out a book club now too.

This makes sense. The sockets come attached to the modules from the component suppliers and simply need to be mounted by Ford. If a socket needs to be fixed then the whole module simply gets replaced which is also how Tesla seems to work in some of their repair shops. I think an advantage that Tesla has here is that they save 10% by vertically integrating and more by integrated designs. However they lose a little back because of their lower volumes compared with commodity parts. But the ongoing advantage that Tesla has from their vertical integration is the freedom to constantly innovate as they have full control over the entire process. This is the real advantage.

I never got if you have to keep it stupid or if you call someone stupid with this phrase. 🤔

You actually said that on a monday, this is gonna be a long week!

🤣🤣🤣👍

Ford's not screwed.

@Alex McAuliff I wish dude. It's been nearly 6 years since I was screwed. At this stage I'd be happy just to be nailed.

More specifically, Screws screwed ford.

The only fix for that mess is a complete redesign for the battery pack and BMS. Completely clean sheet design. With the 4 largest automotive battery makers gearing up for 4680 production might as well build the new packs around that cell structure. Shift all the pouch cells to F150 Lightning. And the soon to come BEV Navigator & Expedition.

Of course that assumes they didn’t make as big mess of the F150.

@@patr5902 Hopefully as Ford iterates, they will learn. Lightning is not being produced yet, so hopefully it will have a less inelegant battery approach. Would love to see the Big 2 get serious about vertical integration like Tesla.

Before anyone considers getting a Mach-e watch this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o5ebe9aVmLXHqJc.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iNZintd7m5ebZJc.html

No, he hates modern Lego because there are too many parts specific to a single kit.

@@fredbloggs5902 I'm glad you specified 'modern' because that is so true :)

I was thinking the same thing watching these videos

Wait till you see the hoses in the Mach-e thermal system: Before anyone considers getting a Mach-e watch this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o5ebe9aVmLXHqJc.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iNZintd7m5ebZJc.html