Machine Gun Terminology Part 2: SMG, PDW, & Machine Pistol

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Today we have Part 2 of machine gun terminology - the small caliber guns. Specifically, submachine guns, personal defense weapons, and machine pistols.
Submachine Gun: Pistol caliber, fully automatic, and fitted with a shoulder stock. For example, Thompson, MP40, MAS-38.
Machine pistol: Handgun form factor and fully automatic. For example, Glock 18, Mauser Schnellfeuer, Stechkin.
Automatic Rifle: Shoulder or hip fired, limited magazine capacity, minimal sustained fire capacity. Examples: M1918 BAR, Chauchat.
Persinal Defense Weapon: (1) Armor-piercing or (2) holsterable submachine gun, not intended for front line combat. For example, FN P90, H&K MP7, Czech vz.61 Skorpion, Polish PM63 Rak.
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@danielwolfe1587
@danielwolfe1587 3 жыл бұрын
Ian: *attaches the browning hi power stock to the c96* The ATF: *shoots his dog*
@hen_the_ren1841
@hen_the_ren1841 2 жыл бұрын
exactly my thoughts
@xXUnhingedDevXx
@xXUnhingedDevXx Жыл бұрын
And burn down his house with the FBI.... Wait a minute....
@elisorrells5314
@elisorrells5314 Жыл бұрын
Everyone knows the NFA has a special Ian Exemption
@chrisgarcia1849
@chrisgarcia1849 Жыл бұрын
The Inglis Hi-Powers are exempt and came with stocks.
@joebfnl1079
@joebfnl1079 Жыл бұрын
Hella funny!. I just don't know what was going through his head???.
@Kumimono
@Kumimono 6 жыл бұрын
As a sci-fi nerd, I know that, in addition to lightly armored soviet hordes, the P-90 also works against lightly armored, genetically modified humans with staff-like energy weapons. :)
@muhughu
@muhughu 6 жыл бұрын
Jari Heiska It's also quite good against aliens with life sucking hands.
@bangbang51211
@bangbang51211 6 жыл бұрын
And sentient Lego bugs.
@muhughu
@muhughu 6 жыл бұрын
The P90, for all your alien exterminating needs.
@robnunya572
@robnunya572 6 жыл бұрын
And it's hell on genetically modified gorillas as found on remote tropical atolls.
@bavonyffels4750
@bavonyffels4750 6 жыл бұрын
The P90, perfect for genetically modified brutes with chainsaws for hands!!
@Sedan57Chevy
@Sedan57Chevy 6 жыл бұрын
I've never noticed before, but that MAS 38 is really kind of a cute little SMG.
@lukaszpokoju
@lukaszpokoju 6 жыл бұрын
Kinda odd looking one due to it's tilted receiver, I personally think it is ugly although it is brilliant design wise. But hey like humans: the best looking ones aren't always the most clever... Such a shame it is not chambered in 9x19.
@Pitchlock8251
@Pitchlock8251 6 жыл бұрын
Well It's French after all. Whens the last time they made anything scary.
@chaplainjamesthicc305
@chaplainjamesthicc305 6 жыл бұрын
"Paint me like one of your French guns"
@maxhartlief
@maxhartlief 6 жыл бұрын
It kinda looks like a toy gun.
@TheCesso3
@TheCesso3 6 жыл бұрын
Sedan57Chevy Le petite fleur.
@FernandoHernandez-jw4yy
@FernandoHernandez-jw4yy 3 жыл бұрын
This is by far my favourite gun channel. I like the calm, rational, science- and history-oriented manner.
@BubblewrapHighway
@BubblewrapHighway Жыл бұрын
Such a breath of fresh air in this ocean of trash channels.
@theodoreroosevelt3143
@theodoreroosevelt3143 6 жыл бұрын
Mr. Ian, you will in the future explain us diffrences betwen "Designated marksman rifle, Semi auto rifles, sniper rifles, Anti-Materiel rifles" etc. ?
@SurajGrewal
@SurajGrewal 6 жыл бұрын
I think,no,since they are self explanatory
@StormBringare
@StormBringare 6 жыл бұрын
Vladimir Mihnev Except for antimaterial you're wrong. The definition lies in the way the rifle is applied, i.e. a DMR can very well be a bolt action rifle if issued on squad level to a common soldier, although the norm is to accurize the rifle already in use and equip it with magnifying optics. A sniper rifle is a rifle used by a sniper for sniping, and that SVD Dragunov you mentioned can very well fall under that category, out of necessity it would generally not be used as such though.
@mrb692
@mrb692 6 жыл бұрын
DMR: A standard infantry rifle that has been modified (accurized) to have a longer effective range than the standard rifle. Semi auto rifles: A rifle that automatically prepares the next round for firing, but does not fire it until the trigger is pulled again. Sniper rifle: A rifle with a longer effective range than the DMR. Usually a completely different rifle than the standard infantry rifle and fires a full power rifle cartridge. Anti-Materiel rifle: A rifle used for breaking through things like soft cover and lightly armored vehicles that the standard infantry rifle or sniper rifle cannot punch through.
@Zevros
@Zevros 6 жыл бұрын
SMG, PDW, and Machine Pistol are also very self explanatory, these videos are often for those who know little about these concepts, so differentiating between DMR's and other semi-auto rifles isn't too bad of an idea when considering those less knowledgeable.
@Gakulon
@Gakulon 6 жыл бұрын
Vladimir Mihnev I always bring my anti-malarial rifles with me when I go into the jungle. Can't risk getting any disease
@wargamerproducions
@wargamerproducions 6 жыл бұрын
time staps. SMG : 0:48 MP : 2:01 PDW : 4:21
@berkkarsi
@berkkarsi 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@zoura_3025
@zoura_3025 3 жыл бұрын
Replying to bump this comment up.
@DinnerForkTongue
@DinnerForkTongue Жыл бұрын
Bless.
@eaofdeath187
@eaofdeath187 6 жыл бұрын
A friends dad was issued a Skorpion in the Czech military and loved it.
@xmm-cf5eg
@xmm-cf5eg 6 жыл бұрын
I've got a PPS-43, (and while it's twice as long as the VZ.61) those little sub-guns of the east are quite the enjoyable pieces!
@Adam-qv2bd
@Adam-qv2bd 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, I love the skorpion. I want one in .25acp.
@aspi53
@aspi53 6 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say I really like these shorts. They are very informative, yet easy to understand!
@personapersona-ws5xh
@personapersona-ws5xh Жыл бұрын
bot
@SuicideNeil
@SuicideNeil 6 жыл бұрын
Guns? My PDW is a Scottish Claymore.
@xmm-cf5eg
@xmm-cf5eg 6 жыл бұрын
Mosin Nagant bayonet on the end of a broomstick for me.
@TechNiVoltisgr3at
@TechNiVoltisgr3at 6 жыл бұрын
SuicideNeil Mine is whatever i find in the street
@planescaped
@planescaped 6 жыл бұрын
Mine is a spear with one, no! Two cruciform bayonets!
@leahcimzruc
@leahcimzruc 5 жыл бұрын
Me Mallet
@matthewyoung9828
@matthewyoung9828 5 жыл бұрын
Rolling pin with some staples in it
@briantaylor9266
@briantaylor9266 6 жыл бұрын
The classic problem of trying to fit a continuum into convenient boxes. But a valiant effort. :-)
@Axemantitan
@Axemantitan 6 жыл бұрын
0:33 Ian loves French guns so much that he even pronounces German words with a French accent!
@PeterWolfe2012
@PeterWolfe2012 6 жыл бұрын
Nah, he just ate frog legs right before filming this one.
@manifestman132
@manifestman132 4 жыл бұрын
RAF eh. Didn’t think they where still around.
@tractorenjoyer9310
@tractorenjoyer9310 3 жыл бұрын
Machine Pesto 🇮🇹
@lukaszpokoju
@lukaszpokoju 6 жыл бұрын
Good thing you have mentioned at the start that this terminology can only be applied to English. As in my country, there's no difference between SMG and Machine pistol nor between assault rifle and battle rifle.
@toxic_cobalt5402
@toxic_cobalt5402 6 жыл бұрын
French? (I am)
@forestalfrank1074
@forestalfrank1074 6 жыл бұрын
Also in german I think as the Austrian FAL was designated Sturmgewehr (assault rifle) 58.
@vaclav_fejt
@vaclav_fejt 6 жыл бұрын
I feel so lucky to speak a language with all the words - new words even! No "machine pistols", "machine guns", "machine rifles" or "pistol machine guns". Samopal (SMG) "self-fire", kulomet (MG) "bullet thrower". Easy. Czech lacks just the term for "receiver", I think. Other than that, it has everything.
@TheCesso3
@TheCesso3 6 жыл бұрын
Here in South America have the same thing. A Battle Rifle and an Assault Rifle for us are the same thing, and anything that shoots Pistol ammo in full auto here is an SMG or a "sub-fusil". But i dont really know if we use the terminology of "Machine Pistol" since any country doesn't really use a MP (at least here in Argentina)
@Lidoott
@Lidoott 6 жыл бұрын
Receiver is called "Pouzdro závěru" in Czech, upper receiver would be called "Víko pouzdra závěru"...
@bryansuh1985
@bryansuh1985 4 жыл бұрын
I know the vid is old and my comment is unlikely to ever be seen. But I love how you explain suuuuper basic things without being condescending and making me feel stupid XD
@soumyajyotimukherjee4752
@soumyajyotimukherjee4752 4 жыл бұрын
Required for every military science fiction writer. Thanks Ian. Really.
@perochialjoe
@perochialjoe 6 жыл бұрын
These videos have been really nice in helping to keep the context of weapons in mind. The LMG and especially the PDW were very interesting to think about as concepts. It's tempting to look at something like a UMP versus a Scorpion and say one is decidedly better than the other all while ignoring that one was made more to fit a niche role. It's great to look at the weapons and fun to see them shot, but I really like these videos that slow down a bit and take the time to think about them. Great work as always, Ian!
@musicmaster417
@musicmaster417 6 жыл бұрын
about the UZI's. to add to the confusion. I've spoken to a commander of a Dutch tank crew and he said that they are using the UZI as a PDW.
@xmm-cf5eg
@xmm-cf5eg 6 жыл бұрын
It defends personnel who are stationed inside armored vehicles, sounds about right to me.
@severs1966
@severs1966 6 жыл бұрын
Don't those crews use one of the "mini" Uzi variants?
@RichWhiteUM
@RichWhiteUM 6 жыл бұрын
The Hungarians used the AMD 65, which is a short barreled AK variant, as a PDW for tank crews, to cloud the waters even more.
@RichWhiteUM
@RichWhiteUM 6 жыл бұрын
Technically, yes, but they were used as a PDW by tank crews. This is why I see PDW as more of a role than a weapon class.
@Orcimedes
@Orcimedes 6 жыл бұрын
For those wondering about the germanic naming conventions (languages in this language group tend to use the same naming system): "machine gun" in english tends to become something that translates literally as "machine-rifle" (e.g. machinegeweer in Dutch) EDIT: note that this is somewhat broader and usually also includes assault rifles "sub-machine gun" tends to become something that translates literally as "machine-pistol" (e.g. maschinenpistole in German) because of this Because the two terms above are a bit broader than the english terms, PDW tends to get grouped as sub-machine guns (e.g. H&K MP7) To add to the confusion what in english is called a "machine pistol" tend NOT to be grouped as MPs in those systems, in my experience these are usually referred to simply as what translates literally to "automatic pistols", but I suspect there is more variety across languages here. I hope this has been helpful. ^_^
@tilobidaLP
@tilobidaLP 6 жыл бұрын
In German machine pistol is Reihenfeuerpistole.
@TheCptnZ
@TheCptnZ 6 жыл бұрын
Tilobida what do those words literally translate to? What does that R word mean?
@TheRyujinLP
@TheRyujinLP 6 жыл бұрын
It roughly translates to select fire.
@user-sn8zs9yn5c
@user-sn8zs9yn5c 6 жыл бұрын
+TheCptnZ The R word means Reihe = row or series Reihenfeuerpistole means literally: pistol capable to fire in a row What is symbolical for automatic or better burst fire.
@joebfnl1079
@joebfnl1079 Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the world of European language!?!. I lived in Germany for almost two years, and I worked at a auto parts store and I was doing inventory and I'm looking at a ignition coil, but!, I still can't even pronounce the name in German!!!.
@WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot_YT
@WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot_YT 6 жыл бұрын
What about a Beretta 93R? Would it still be considered a machine pistol even though it can only do 3 round bursts?
@WeakendVermin7
@WeakendVermin7 6 жыл бұрын
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot I was actually just about to comment the same thing haha
@JunkyardBashSteve
@JunkyardBashSteve 6 жыл бұрын
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot I'd think so? It is select fire and still technically automatic, because it fires more than one round with a single trigger pull. Plus it has an integrated foregrip and mountable folding stock.
@dino.antares
@dino.antares 6 жыл бұрын
Well everyone call 93r an MP.
@ShimomuraTakezoWong
@ShimomuraTakezoWong 6 жыл бұрын
It's for the purpose of killing, it doesn't matter what you use as long as the other guy's dead and you are standing over him.
@3of11
@3of11 6 жыл бұрын
I would say yes. Just like an M16 with a safe-semi-burst is still an "assault rifle" and that term requires a rifle caliber firearm capable of selection between semi and full auto.
@derp-construction3341
@derp-construction3341 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for these two videos, they very clearly presented the differences between the categories. And the frustration of nailing down PDWs.
@Th3R00k131
@Th3R00k131 6 жыл бұрын
I did learn something Ian, thank you! Really loving these videos, they really help and are very informative.
@handyhippie6548
@handyhippie6548 6 жыл бұрын
the fulda gap brings back memories. i was a tanker in germany in 85'.
@williamsager805
@williamsager805 6 жыл бұрын
M60 or M-1?
@tillmannfischer
@tillmannfischer 6 жыл бұрын
At least you had it warm during winter. I remember that one crew that stored coke cans in their smoke dispensers, to keep them nice and cool during an exercise...
@torbai
@torbai 6 жыл бұрын
Did you really still use the M3 submachine gun in 1985?
@nibbio84
@nibbio84 6 жыл бұрын
I love those “educational type” videos. Please do more of them!
@kevinfealy4769
@kevinfealy4769 4 жыл бұрын
Love the break down of terminology, gotta learn something new every day and Ian never seems to disappoint in that regard.
@xXxKAMIKAZExXx
@xXxKAMIKAZExXx 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I love these terminology videos :) I hope there's more in the future.
@edgarjimenez8486
@edgarjimenez8486 6 жыл бұрын
This is the greatest terminology of all time.
@eaofdeath187
@eaofdeath187 6 жыл бұрын
Impressive, I know that 2 minutes after a 13 minute video was posted.....
@errorcode99
@errorcode99 6 жыл бұрын
...maybe ever!
@phoenix95682
@phoenix95682 6 жыл бұрын
This is the greatest terminology of All Time
@Cuccos19
@Cuccos19 4 жыл бұрын
The AKS-74U also intended to be a PDW for helicopter and tank / fighting vehicle crews (although this particular weapon usually associated with Specnaz). A very good American equivalent could be the Magpul PDR but it never went through the prototype stage except released as an airsoft gun, unfortunately. That would be so great to get a Magpul PDR for a video Ian! Or their folding SMG.
@harjutapa
@harjutapa 6 жыл бұрын
I'm really loving all your terminology/basic history/background videos. More please!
@colsoncustoms8994
@colsoncustoms8994 6 жыл бұрын
This is a great series. I look forward to more of these (hopefully).
@annairinastoll2960
@annairinastoll2960 6 жыл бұрын
In WW1, in my opinion the artillery 08 with stock and drum was kinda a pdw. Whats your opinion on that Ian?
@Thunderous117
@Thunderous117 6 жыл бұрын
Hmmm that's a good one. But it's semi auto only right? Tho it does fill that role.
@MarvinCZ
@MarvinCZ 6 жыл бұрын
The M1 was semi-auto only as well. Only later versions were select-fire. Like Ian said, not by the modern definition, but it fits the role.
@borjesvensson8661
@borjesvensson8661 6 жыл бұрын
Well the drum made it into a sort of proto submachinegun. But with the original small mag it was adopted to fill the pdw niche.
@ramjb
@ramjb 6 жыл бұрын
I think Lugers with stock and snail magazines were heavily used by any Storm Troopers who couldn't get a hold of a MP18 during the Spring 1918 offensives. That'd made a frontline offensive weapon ,which is not what you'd expect from a PDW. Anyway terminology is just made out of words. I guess it depends on the role you put the weapon in, it'll fit the bill of a PDW or it won't ;).
@annairinastoll2960
@annairinastoll2960 6 жыл бұрын
ramjb only 5000 MP18s were used in the spring offensive
@heyman8308
@heyman8308 6 жыл бұрын
YES!!! you got your new smg out of NFA jail !!!!! when is the shooting video ? btw I love your channel... I watch every morning :)
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 6 жыл бұрын
The attempted shooting video is coming in a few days.
@coinholeo2253
@coinholeo2253 5 жыл бұрын
Learn something on each and every episode! Thank you, hope to see lots more!
@akk-nd3vj
@akk-nd3vj 6 жыл бұрын
everything i always wanted to know about smg,mps but was afraid to ask. thx. great video as usual.
@xXxKAMIKAZExXx
@xXxKAMIKAZExXx 6 жыл бұрын
The PM-63 is a very nice looking firearm.
@samthegamer4910
@samthegamer4910 Жыл бұрын
Look it'sn't about nice looking firearm but the effectiveness after all you don't want a showpiece
@samthegamer4910
@samthegamer4910 Жыл бұрын
Look it'sn't about nice looking firearm but the effectiveness after all you don't want a showpiece
@augustvanhout2163
@augustvanhout2163 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, Ian. You should review the M79 or the China Lake grenade launchers. They’re featured in a lot of video games, and I’d definitely like to hear more about them.
@stevefrench5682
@stevefrench5682 6 жыл бұрын
I love this format Ian.
@acerock013
@acerock013 5 жыл бұрын
these technical videos are fantastic
@fscreations7373
@fscreations7373 6 жыл бұрын
Ooo a Forgotten Weapons hoody, time to purchase that me thinks...
@joshuaradick5679
@joshuaradick5679 6 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard a lot of people putting very short barreled M4s in the PDW category
@shawnr771
@shawnr771 6 жыл бұрын
Is that possibly just a marketing gimmick?
@joshuaradick5679
@joshuaradick5679 6 жыл бұрын
But those are mostly weapons for military forces, I'd hope that the people in charge of procurement would be a bit smarter than that.
@laggmaster0
@laggmaster0 6 жыл бұрын
I think that's just because those weapons are intended to fill the role as a PDW, for those rear echelon troops that might not engage the enemy directly but still needs a weapon.
@henryfisher9948
@henryfisher9948 6 жыл бұрын
Wrong, it’s still a carbine because of its 5.56 caliber
@BleedingUranium
@BleedingUranium 6 жыл бұрын
Because PDW is a role term, you can do that. They're Carbines and also PDWs, like the AKS-74u.
@lionshinzato561
@lionshinzato561 6 жыл бұрын
Great video Ian! I really enjoy your videos. Thank you so much for the info! I'm a big fan of your show.
@pandabuttonftw745
@pandabuttonftw745 5 жыл бұрын
I just put this channel on in the background, video after video, i never get sick of hearing it.
@joefoam794
@joefoam794 6 жыл бұрын
Still can't figure out how Ian collects so many dislikes on educational videos. Do people not want to learn, or is it something else?
@captainnutella67
@captainnutella67 6 жыл бұрын
Joefoam7 probably because they aren't senseless destruction and big booms.
@Justanotherconsumer
@Justanotherconsumer 6 жыл бұрын
Also, for videos like this, people disagree on the terminology.
@bangbang51211
@bangbang51211 6 жыл бұрын
There're 3,000 likes and 20 dislikes. Stop being overly dramatic.
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 6 жыл бұрын
It’s pretty easy to accidentally click ‘dislike’ on a small touch screen I’ve done it a couple of times, fortunately managed to correct it. Also some people are just dicks.
@joefoam794
@joefoam794 6 жыл бұрын
Ease up pard. My concern is that the folks at KZfaq will decide these videos are too controversial to continue airing and take down the channel. They have already cut funding which will discourage new channels from starting.
@jacobeberhardt1649
@jacobeberhardt1649 6 жыл бұрын
That's a nice looking sweatshirt but it bugs me that the hood strings are slightly ajar.
@zorkwhouse8125
@zorkwhouse8125 4 жыл бұрын
Really excellent videos - great to see a channel with quality info that cares about accuracy and where the information is presented in a clear and concise manner. Great job man. :-)
@user-fj4qk6zd9vajnw
@user-fj4qk6zd9vajnw 6 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video Ian
@sparkspl
@sparkspl 5 жыл бұрын
5:29 are those Polish tank crews with FB PM-63 ?
@JohnnyL190
@JohnnyL190 5 жыл бұрын
Yup
@wierdalien1
@wierdalien1 6 жыл бұрын
Mini uzis/micros?
@theodoreroosevelt3143
@theodoreroosevelt3143 6 жыл бұрын
Normal Uzi = SMG Mini Uzi = PDW Micro Uzi = Machine Pistol :^)
@lukaszpokoju
@lukaszpokoju 6 жыл бұрын
Based on what I understand from this Vid, I would rather say: UZI: SMG Mini UZI: SMG (As it seems its meant to be used more as a weapon you can shoulder than fire like a handgun) Micro UZI: Machine Pistol (Although it can have a shoulder folding stock it can be used like a handgun ---> no handguard) All 3 could be considered as PDW depending on their purpose. For instance a if you issue a full-sized UZI to a tank crew, then it could be considered as a PDW based on its "broad definition", even though by modern standards a Mini-UZI or Micro-uzi would suit this designation better, based on their size.
@SurajGrewal
@SurajGrewal 6 жыл бұрын
Those are just deadly toys,no army practacality
@wierdalien1
@wierdalien1 6 жыл бұрын
Suraj Grewal isreals use them pretty sure have some practicallity.
@JunkyardBashSteve
@JunkyardBashSteve 6 жыл бұрын
Suraj Grewal Maybe not for military, but there's always police forces in need.
@RiceReaper
@RiceReaper 6 жыл бұрын
Imformative as always Ian, Thank you
@gooondie
@gooondie 6 жыл бұрын
These videos are amazing!!!! More please!
@minhqun
@minhqun 6 жыл бұрын
What about belt-fed pistol-caliber guns :v
@havoc3742
@havoc3742 6 жыл бұрын
Question, where does that leave the Magpul PDW?
@axelblablabla
@axelblablabla 6 жыл бұрын
Havoc wikipedia("always right on everything", i know) states it as a pdw which kind of makes sense, but it also uses a 5.56 nato round, and i'm not sure in what way that makes a difference
@drakseththephsyco
@drakseththephsyco 6 жыл бұрын
i believe he is refering to this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magpul_FMG-9
@P226nut
@P226nut 6 жыл бұрын
Considering they never made one for production it doesn’t matter
@havoc3742
@havoc3742 6 жыл бұрын
@Axel, yes, I know the PDR PDW is in 5.56mm, my question was rather where does that leave it ( and weapons like it ) in terms of definition to the PDW concept. @Drakseththephsyco no, I'm referring to the Magpul PDR PDW, a bullpup 5.56mm PDW marketed by Magpul. @P226nut whether or not they made one for production does not matter, the fact it existed in one form or another makes it relevant to the topic at hand, simply due to the fact it exists, and falls into the jurisdiction of the topic being discussed.
@drakseththephsyco
@drakseththephsyco 6 жыл бұрын
Ah I didnt know about that one
@istillhavetenfingers8150
@istillhavetenfingers8150 6 жыл бұрын
Really love these Terminology episodes, keep them up! :D
@TheBiggestIron
@TheBiggestIron 6 жыл бұрын
Just because I was born as a submachine gun doesn't mean I can't identify as a PDW! Trans weapons rights!
@ozdavemcgee2079
@ozdavemcgee2079 6 жыл бұрын
Fair point. I'll support your right to identify as a GPMG or HMG even lol
@vaclav_fejt
@vaclav_fejt 6 жыл бұрын
Also, MP5K with a bigger muzzle device and a folding stock is branded as MP5K PDW.
@kenny13a
@kenny13a 6 жыл бұрын
I support self-perceived genre weapons rights.
@burnsboysaresoldiers
@burnsboysaresoldiers 6 жыл бұрын
- TheNuttyGunNut - there is nothing more trans weapon than a PDW. Is it a machine pistol? Is it a smg? Is it an assault rifle? Shits it’s a damn rainbow of a concept no wonder Europe likes them
@ozdavemcgee2079
@ozdavemcgee2079 6 жыл бұрын
Alex Henry Brendan burns might mean PDW nor PWD but its the weapons right to identify as he/she wants to lol
@dino.antares
@dino.antares 6 жыл бұрын
People (Wikipedia and imfdb) say Personal Defence weapon are SMGs with special cartridge. Honey baadger, mp7, P90, Scar PDW, KAC PDW all have cartridge specially made for them. So vz .61 is not a PDW according to this
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 6 жыл бұрын
I disagree with those people.
@dino.antares
@dino.antares 6 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Weapons 😂😂 awesome!
@chrisjones6002
@chrisjones6002 6 жыл бұрын
Refer to his comment about the M1 carbine being designed to fill the roll of a modern PDW. Personally, I think it's more about the intended use of the weapon than the actual design features or caliber. A pistol, sub gun or carbine could all fit that role. It's a modern term for something that's been around for a long time.
@LatwPIAT
@LatwPIAT 6 жыл бұрын
That'd be a pretty silly definition. It'd mean trying to make a gun that uses the ammunition from an existing PDW would, in spite of everything else, disqualify it from being a PDW - whereas any idiot who makes a submachine gun in a proprietary cartridge (like, say, an M3 Grease Gun in the 11.45 Obscure) would have made a PDW, despite the PDW being functionally indistinguishable from your regular SMG. (But then, functional indistinguishability from SMGs seems to be what PDWs are anyway...)
@WAQWBrentwood
@WAQWBrentwood 6 жыл бұрын
Nice definition of PDW vs SMG, I've often wanted a concise line, and here it is! 👍👍👍
@bretztheman
@bretztheman 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative! Great vid! Thanx for posting!
@SolidTaylor
@SolidTaylor 6 жыл бұрын
In Russia its super easy - is it big fullauto gun? its а пулемет/pooleymet - lmg,hmg,gpmg, if its middle-sized fullauto gun - автомат/automat - assault rifle/battle rifle, if it small-sized fullauto gun - пистолет-пулемет/pistolet-pooleymet - submachine gun/pdw, and pistol is just pistol is it full auto or not. If its a hammer - its a hammer. Simple! But if we begin to think about the purpose and characteristics of that wheapon and put them in western terminology - well, its can become complicated. The siplest example is - AK74U - what da hell is that thing? Assault rifle? Its too short and ussless as that weapon. Submachine gun? Its fiers standart AK74 round. PDW? Maybe - its closest to this role, but still too big and overpowered. Oh yeah, and russians have some weird tradition - to call any smg with magazine in pistol handle(like mac10 or mp7) an "UZI", every freacking weapon. I think many of them realy thinking that mac10 is an UZI.
@jackvernian7779
@jackvernian7779 6 жыл бұрын
+Solid T it's a general thing, not only russians do it. Everything which looks like an Uzi is called an Uzi because that's the most popularly famous weapon that looks like that.
@yellowyellow7476
@yellowyellow7476 6 жыл бұрын
There’s a tendency everywhere to call MAC-10s, Tec-9s and various others the Uzi. Usually when people think of an Uzi they think of a Micro-Uzi. I remember thinking as a child that the MP-40 was a “German Uzi”.
@666bambucia
@666bambucia Жыл бұрын
2023: 8:20 not so accurate nowadays.
@kickapoo621
@kickapoo621 6 жыл бұрын
absolutely fantastic! Ian you are the man! Thanks for the video.
@robsciuk729
@robsciuk729 5 жыл бұрын
I have to hand it to you, Ian. You know more about firearms than I do, you have a better collection than I do, and you are more generous with your sharing that I am. Nice.
@TheDandyMann
@TheDandyMann 6 жыл бұрын
Gun Jesus knows de wey.
@DopetheWind
@DopetheWind 6 жыл бұрын
I *FIRMLY* believe that this grey area of classification is why the idiotic SBR laws exist. Lawyers and politicians don't like it when things can't fall into a legal bucket or illegal bucket, so they just "ban" everything. Which is why I always label SMG vs PDW as how you're using it (offensive & defensive, respectively), regardless of mechanical layout. *It's the user's intent, not the firearm's layout.*
@Fangsフ
@Fangsフ 6 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, the SBR and SBS laws exist because there was an attempt made to ban/restrict handguns (presumably this was a part of some other, larger, firearms bill) and the tax was added to limit people having super short rifles that were used as pistols. (ironic since this ended up as the primary factor for todays AR/AK/etc. pistols) The ban/restriction on handguns was removed from the bill, however the SBR and SBS aspect was left in. So there really isn't any reason for these laws to exist other than they ran out of Wite-Out. That said it has been years since I heard/researched this and don't remember where I got this info. I'll have to look this up again later and correct it if I was way off.
@xmm-cf5eg
@xmm-cf5eg 6 жыл бұрын
This kind of shit is why an AK with no stock and a snub barrel from the factory is considered a pistol under general american law. I can't cut the stock off my shotgun in the U.S. because of minimum length requirements, but I can buy an AK that was shorter than my shotgun from the factory and all I need is the pre-req. to pistol purchasing. 100% non contradictory system. Barrel length laws toooooootally make sense.
@RichWhiteUM
@RichWhiteUM 6 жыл бұрын
The SBR/SBS laws are part of the National Firearms Act of 1934, which was a result of the gang violence and bank robbery of the 1920s and early 1930s. You can thank politicians who over-reacted to Al Capone, Bonnie & Clyde, John Dillinger, Machinegun Kelly, George "Babyface" Nelson, etc. for those laws.
@anchorbait6662
@anchorbait6662 6 жыл бұрын
Great video guys. Plz dive into subjects like this more often.
@MrBorceivanovski
@MrBorceivanovski 6 жыл бұрын
Great presentation!
@BarrowX
@BarrowX 6 жыл бұрын
It's pistol-eh not pistoel
@blindarchershaunhenderson3769
@blindarchershaunhenderson3769 6 жыл бұрын
And by the way love all you're video content, in range TV also, keep up the good work, thanks!
@1012koko
@1012koko 6 жыл бұрын
I love how Ian totally bashes the mp5k and up talks the cz scorpion. Ian loves his CZ 😂. GREAT VIDEO! KEEP UP THE WORK!
@blackpitch9617
@blackpitch9617 5 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Germany, you explained the whole MP/SMG-Part very good :D Keep up the good work, I love your Videos.
@yettobeengineer2528
@yettobeengineer2528 4 жыл бұрын
As always , great video
@berniestraight126
@berniestraight126 Жыл бұрын
I always leave smarter than I came when watching your videos Thanks again for your hard work and investigation into the subject matter in which you school us about
@Go-ah-oold
@Go-ah-oold 6 жыл бұрын
Very good. I like those terminology videos :)
@chrisbell52310
@chrisbell52310 6 жыл бұрын
Ian, I was literally just pulling up this episode this morning when I met you. I am a fan of the show! O start every morning by looking for the notification and watch the episode as soon as possible.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 6 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it! Always fun to meet fans :)
@chr0mg0d
@chr0mg0d 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, simply love em 😄
@darthhodges
@darthhodges 3 жыл бұрын
It has been argued that the PDW category overlaps with but is not entirely contained within the category submachine gun. Some argue the P90 and MP7 are not sub guns as they don't shoot a pistol caliber. That's debatable as the FN Fiveseven and Ruger 57 exist and HK even worked on (but never finished) a handgun in the MP7's 4.6x30 cartridge. A different argument is that extremely short barreled ARs and AKs (and similar rifles) in their native calibers qualify as PDWs. I don't know how slow 5.56, 7.62x39, or 5.45 have to go to not penetrate soft body armor but all three lose velocity pretty quickly as you decrease barrel length, especially below 14 inches.
@jaysquatchgaming739
@jaysquatchgaming739 4 жыл бұрын
I learned many things today. Thank you, Ian
@jillsjakes2519
@jillsjakes2519 3 ай бұрын
I've always appreciated but don't see mentioned often, is that it's nice how Ian always takes care to not flag the camera/viewer even when it looks like there's no-one on the other side of the camera, e.g. 4:13. None of the pointing firearms at the camera and pulling the trigger either, or putting a magazine into a firearm and pulling the trigger while indoors to prove it's clear. There's no hard right politics being jammed in either, just a responsible and intellectual look at firearms. Best firearms channel on the internet.
@RobFeldkamp
@RobFeldkamp 6 жыл бұрын
i love these kinds of videos ! :) Might i suggest doing one on the (most relevant) kinds of actions?
@krzosu
@krzosu 5 жыл бұрын
Very cool and informative - Thank you Mate.
@felixh2786
@felixh2786 6 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this. Thanks Ian!
@JohnDoe-fw4pi
@JohnDoe-fw4pi 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian, love your vids very informative & well paced. I was going to throw in a possible suggestion for possibly a relevant typed video,, explaining the difference/classification of DMR & Sniper Rifle.
@giselle4161
@giselle4161 6 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this thanks very much
@maximthemagnificent
@maximthemagnificent 6 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your terminological videos even though I don't really learn anything new from them. I think it's because it verifies my understanding, much like looking up the formal definition of words you've picked up from context when reading. While you might have been reasonably confident, it's good to get confirmation about any nuances.
@asphaltmemories4597
@asphaltmemories4597 6 жыл бұрын
Yes you finally got your MAS 38, looking forward to that live fire video.
@Dragontail999
@Dragontail999 6 жыл бұрын
A very interesting take on the differences between the three. PDW seems to be a very nebulous term - I've seen compact 5.56 ARs billed as "PDWs", despite definitely being closer to a carbine than something like the PM63 or the Vz.61.
@Venomxjjb
@Venomxjjb 5 жыл бұрын
Easy way to think of a PDW is any gun (rifle or pistol caliber) that bridges the gap between a pistol and full length carbine (service weapon). Which makes PDW's a HUGE category but also keeps it simple on what the guns capabilities are/should be. pick the right tool for the right job.
@Jason-c1b3r
@Jason-c1b3r 6 жыл бұрын
Another great video in the miniseries or whatever it is.
@Rico-Suave_
@Rico-Suave_ 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, great video,
@TheOnyxGeneral
@TheOnyxGeneral 6 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@cannonfodderangry6517
@cannonfodderangry6517 4 жыл бұрын
Any person: *Knows alot about guns* Their classmates:
@couriersix2445
@couriersix2445 6 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most high-quality channels on KZfaq
@AWolf-gq2vu
@AWolf-gq2vu 6 жыл бұрын
2:55 Dammit Ian! Every time I️ come up with an idea to sound smart, like the IAR being an automatic rifle, you always mention it in the video right after I’ve thought of it. Still love you, though.
@1madmax22
@1madmax22 5 жыл бұрын
Unless you're submerged in the base of acronyms being used today, for anything, sometimes you don't have a clue. So a BIG THANKS Ian for clearing this up. I wish I would've caught this video a year ago.
@UXB1000
@UXB1000 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another informative video, Mr. McCollum. Nowadays a number of guns could fall into one or more categories in this video: a. AKS-74u and the PDW-R - fires the same cartridge as the frontline soldiers, but used by non-frontline soldiers. b. CBJ-MS - fires armour-piercing cartridge, but can be equipped with a bipod.
@BleedingUranium
@BleedingUranium 6 жыл бұрын
The former two would be both Carbines and PDWs. Well, I suppose the PDR isn't technically a Carbine, it's just inherently short... so Rifle PDW? The CBJ-MS is one hell of an odd gun (in a good way), but I'd say it does fall into the "mini-rifle caliber" PDW type that the P90 and MP7 belong to. I would argue that this type is the only type of PDW where the term can be used as a technical term rather than a role term.
@masaharumorimoto4761
@masaharumorimoto4761 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! The P90 will always hold a warm spot in my little grinch heart because of Golden Eye.
@benjaminstenke9716
@benjaminstenke9716 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Short Explaination of the Maschinenpistole(SMG) and Automatic Pistole difference in German
@TheCesso3
@TheCesso3 6 жыл бұрын
Great video Ian, as always, if you have the time to do it, make a video for Rifles terminology, that would be very interesting. Greetings from Argentina!
@officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408
@officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408 6 жыл бұрын
I love how you say what I'm thinking.
@theinocentmelon
@theinocentmelon 6 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the next part: Machine Gun Terminology Part 2.5: SMG, PDW, BBW, & Machine Pistol
@lagancider6153
@lagancider6153 6 жыл бұрын
The Royal Ulster Constabulary used Sterling SMG's for many years for purely defensive purposes (manning sangars, vehicle checkpoints etc) we were only ever trained to use in single shot mode although they were full auto (and of course EVERYONE had a slip of the finger on the range and dumped a mag or two on full auto) I guess what we really needed was a PDW but the government had warehouses full of Sterlings...
@enriquekahn9405
@enriquekahn9405 6 жыл бұрын
I think the difference here is that there's two kinds of nomenclature being used, "submachine gun" tells you what a gun is (what features it has) while "personal defense weapon" tells you what a gun does (who it's issued to and what they're expected to do with it). Compare "light machine gun" vs "squad automatic weapon" for example.
@GurgleOneSixSix
@GurgleOneSixSix 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian, terminology like this can be so nebulous
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