The wackiness and flexibility is what brought me to linux, Never knew the mac was so flexible in the past

macOS is the best SSH client money can buy.

Almost every IT snob I know thinks I'm and idiot for saying that old Mac's in the early 90's had dominated very specific niches like music production, they just simply can't understand that running dual displays with a fully GUI music production software was only possible with a Mac. So much for knowing the proper history of IT. 1989 - Digidesign launches the first digital audio workstation system, Sound Tools, for the Apple Macintosh. The company refers to it as "the first tapeless recording studio"

Linux Foundation uses Macs, so that figures.

To prank someone I once took a screen shot of the mac desktop and used photoshop to clone stamp the trash can something like 100 times all over the place. Then I set that image as the wallpaper and used resedit to hide the actual trash can.

Apple started to shorten hardware support when they decided to transition Macs to Apple Silicon. We'll have to see if they lengthen the support again for M1 Macs.

So... its time to bring back a new modern version of AmigaOS?

It was the iPod that changed Apple forever. They were able to make a MP3 player that was extremely user restrictive, with a non replaceable battery and forcing iTunes software to use it, but it did very well for them, and that was the turning point for them. No longer giving users total freedom made sense to them anymore, instead providing a more restrictive curated experience was what they were finding success with.

The current macOS GUI is super-pretentious. I think the pretentiousness really took off from when they released iOS 7.

I like to think that someone born around 1998 or later learned that Mac is short for Macintosh from this video lol

I started to work on a Mac as a designer in 1990, having transitioned from an Atari and PC clone. Initially I could not afford a Mac of my own so I got a magneto-optical drive and just copied the system folder over, this way I could use any Mac that was available around as mine. I lived through and experienced the '90, '00 and on. I miss those times, software now is not like it used to be.. Your presentation is excellent, the Spirit of Mac had been lost when a computer company became a consumer electronics company. That day when they downgraded labels on files and folders.

MPW was “Macintosh Programmer’s Workshop” - Not “Workbench”

To be fair, employers bare some blame from locking it down so much.

I still miss the old classic Mac Os, I don’t miss the unstableness of it, but I miss it 😢

Damn the last bit. I miss the old Macintosh days.

Back in the pre-OSX days there was this utility named "Resedit" and you could edit various parts of any program on your Mac. I used it to edit the trash can icon and turned it into a dented trrash can.

One thing I think you missed is *A/UX, or Apple UNIX.* Apple had their own full-blown graphical UNIX port way before OS X. It looked just like the Macintosh System but it was a true UNIX system.

MacOS is NextSTEP but turned into consumer focused bloatware. Sad.

I really enjoy my M1 MacBook. It’s not perfect, but my battery lasts way longer than anything else and that’s my specific need being away from a charger all day. A lot of this is right on point tho. 😂😅

For me it's the files/folders : the filesystem, the linux-mess, the multi-user-mess. Good old mac use to be : you drag and drop a system folder and you BOOT on it, bang. You drag an app and you use it bang. You trash an app and ALL is gone, bang. The mouse does better than a terminal, because bang. The editing of text is magnifiscent, simple, crisp. A computer user manages his files hierarchy, his folder tree. Apple destroyed all that when updated itunes, iphoto to NOT having a human friendly file hierarchy. Apple destroyed that when file search zapped from FILENAME to CONTENT. Today computer are not ours anymore. I don't feel ownership on all that current junk.

Finally someone with some common sense!

I really don't think MPW (workshop not workbench +5:45) was free, but part of a pricey developer account. It's shell wasn't csh, and very limited because it couldn't fork processes: commands were run like plugins to MPW's app process and could only run one at a time. As an example, the Make equivalent couldn't launch build commands itself, but instead had to output a build script, exit, and have the shell run the script.

I guess I’ve been watching Mr Lunduke long enough that I knew it wasn’t going to be an hour long diss track lol. But I do wonder if Mac will go back to longer OS support as the last of the Intel Macs are phased out.

Classic MacOS was really a marvel. It had huge limitations, but the stuff that it *could* do? Nothing else could the same way. I have so much fun just playing with my old macs running System 7-9

Are there no project at all like the old Mac OS? (and/or the hardware) If there is, please tell me!

The original Mac used in the 1984 demo was not a production version. In order to make the demo work, they had to install additional RAM, which wasn't offered as an option until later.

not sure what he's taking about when it comes to longevity - I'm typing this on a 2015 MacBook Pro , with all original parts. It will likely last me another 2 years.

Apple has become what it sought to better than - a monolithic corporate lacking innovation and abusing its market position. Got my first mac in 1995 and it was glorious. Own an M3 but it doesn’t feel like it has the same spirit or rebelliousness.

i wouldnt know where i would be when there was no resedit/resorcerer. it was a revelation when i discovered it with OS7. i dont use it much - but it is so important in certain situations. in 95% of the cases you can change menu items in programs, in 50% of the cases you can reskin programs totally. hacking resources helps you to adjust window and dialog sizes in programs which come with tiny, not resizable dialogs. there are literally hundreds of useful controlpanels and extensions, and when there is none for the change you wish to make, you can fix the rest by hacking the system suitcase or third party app. using MacOS9 since 25 years now and it gets better day by day. what really sucks is the hardware though. be prepared for a regular need to repair something, and learn how to come along with the CPU G4s can offer.

Drag the system folder to a new drive and it will boot? That is truly impressive

What are the alternatives? Windows 11, that most people don't want to install, Linux, X11 or Wayland? I think most developers hate Xcode, right?

Co-operative is what God intended, according to Terry

Applescript still existed later on it was just renamed to Automator and was more powerful too

When apple made the switch to the NeXT operating system, dubbed "Mac OSX" , Apple introduced the Carbon C API for programming. This API was great, in fact it was similar to Win32 in many ways. When apple deprecated the Carbon API and forced everyone to use Cocoa and objective C, is the day Apple died for me.

Macos subsystem for UNIX.

Such nostalgia

Looking at the Extensions and Control Panels slide, I guess a "Classic Macintosh System Software sucks" (and in fact it did, it did so hard that Apple desperately tried to come up with a successor to stay competitive, and OS/2, BeOS were considered, eventually it was NeXTStep then - MS had Window 2000 at that time, full preemptive Multitasking and unprecedented stability - and then there had been Linux for almost a decade) is appropriate. What I see in abundance is wasted screen real estate. We don't do GUIs this way anymore and that is a good thing.

I remember that just before the announcement of the cheese grater Mac Pro and the Apple Silicon Mac Studio, there were mock ups of a modernized Johnathan desktop where each slice of the desktop was essentially a Mac Mini that connected together by stacking them together. The concept is insanely cool, but that kind of device has always been hard to build out and support.

I recently bought an old Powerbook to play with, because I used a lot of macs in the nineties, but jeez, classic mac os is extremely unstable, much more so than I remember. Run one program that crashes, and you usually have to reboot the whole computer. I think you are looking at classic Mac OS with with sentimental eyes.

MacOS on a 2012 Air, acquired this year, is my most recent exposure to it. I really enjoy the whole "WE WERE A ONE BUTTON MOUSE SYSTEM BACK THEN AND BY GOD WE SHALL CONTINUE TO BE ONE NOW" design. There's now a linux installation on the unit (i7 model w 8gb ram on an early 2015 air or earlier = keeper) and life is so incredibly much better, despite the suck of linux.

Great video I didn't know a lot of this stuff. As a video editor and a Linux lover I feel forced to use Windows and Mac in between the two at least lately I prefer Mac. Yes you can use Linux professionally kind of when it comes to video editing and graphic design DaVinci resolve sure does work to a point. But when you're doing projects day in and day out it really just isn't feasible in a realistic way. Anyway great video I don't know what else to say got a new subscriber with me.

some of my colleagues say you are sucha linux/unix specialist you should be our mac specialist, and im like do i need it i have my hands already full with these system center automatisations :D

That hotswapable battery thing is really good, My Panasonic Toughbook and Fujitsu Lifebook both have hotswappable batteries. But they are both from the 2000s

Did you ever use NeXTSTEP OS back in the day?

YES! Hi - from a long time A500 and A3k user and software developer too. Good, to the point video! It's always hard to make others understand what they're missing when they don't even know a little about it. Nowadays Apple even goes so far as to fix window and dialog sizes and positions. It's awful. That's also why there are still active retro computer scenes. For example the C64 demo & games scene. It's exactly this freedom to do what *you* want with *your* system, right down to the bare metal!

Same as everything now - looks cool but works badly and hard to upgrade and repair.

Curious where you sit on Framework's modular devices tbh

His description of the old Mac laptop reminds me of my old Lenovo T61. The best laptop ever to exist.

Can't wait to see all the wonderful things about Mac in Lunduke OS

I bought a white MacBook in 2008, loved that machine. You could still easily change hard drive, ram and battery. I also bought Logic Studio with it. It's still usable today for music production. But in only got two updates of Mac OS X which must be some kind of record.

Those 'hideous' windows shown when discussing Appearance Manager were courtesy of a utility called Kaleidoscope, by Aaron Rose. A fun little bit of code to play with.

8:13 what do you mean fairly recently? Like 2001 when Macs Shipped with OS X Standard 🤣

I'm just waiting for the Return of the Mac

Where have you been all my life, subscribed, hit the bed, liked, wish i could do it a million times more!!

Looking forward to the ultimate Lunduke diatribe. "Everything Sucks" :)

The themes you showed were from the beta Copeland builds that devs got. Apple stripped out those themes for os8 and os9, so unless you used a third party tool, those themes were not in retail builds.

I had completely forgotten making copies of PC's as the tech kid in school by dragging that system folder around.

Sooner they will run games by porting many tools that are used for windows games and adding ray tracing. It might be robust but they have not gone the Microsoft route yet and you can still install some Unix packages to work around some Linux packages.

They are just making the Mac an iPhone.

7:50 it’s just like my own project’s versioning. A pipeline can be on version 5 while the framework is version 1 (2 if counting from 0).

Do you know by any chance how to delete bloatware apps in macOS? I entered in safe mode, went to root in terminal and tried to delete them. And it still said: "You are not allowed to do that".

i used a powermac g4 mdd until 2012 or so , it was excellent . i write this on my modern pc using a classic mac keyboard from my mac cube . old mac hardware is excellent and continues working to this day !

I thought I was the only weirdo that miss the old systems metaphors, the old look and feel. Even windows 3.11 was great!

I didn't know Wil Wheaton hates macOS so much

Still have mad love for the classic Mac OS 😍 To this day I still develope and use the classic platform to this day and will continue for many years to come 🤩

And then steve understood humans are cattle! My first interaction with a computer was in my late teens with a Pentium 100 my uncle bought for architecture design. It had Win 3.11 and Prince of Persia. The first Mac I saw was a laptop he got as gift from US friend.

For me, macs really died off after 2012. I did try their later models, even the latest, but yep, they sucked. So o moved to windows, since there's some kind of linux support now, so i get almost the best of two worlds for my work and entertainment. Three things i really miss a lot are the applescript, finder with a system-wide search, even inside files and the touchpad gestures. Windows laptops got great touchpads at last, but the multi-touch gestures are still subpar, so i have to resort to using a mouse

Their backups are nice.

Every time I use a modern Mac I just get a feeling that this company just doesn't want to be in the PC business. But rather that they want to be in the ios device business. And that they only make the Mac today because some of their users demand a reasonable keyboard. There was a time when this wasn't true but it was the early intel days and Jobs was still alive. Just my .02

As a long-time Mac user, this was a good reminder of many of the great things that classic Macs had going for them that simply aren't around in the same form anymore. While modern Macs certainly have their strengths, some of the old features (HyperCard, AppleScript, seamless multimonitor support) are sorely missed.

Is it sad when Linux is the last line of defense?

A iOS sucks show would make so much sense. It is truly terrible for so many reasons.

Finder and the general UI for MacOS sucks now and is so essoteric for no good reason now too. Do people really think the UI is good, or do they just get used to it? I'd unironically get more use from a modern Mac system just to install a Apple Silicon compatible Linux distro on it. You gotta screw up big time to make GNOME seem less obtuse and braindead than Apple's UI decisions. The only real benefit to running MacOS nowadays is their video editing and music production tools. You should do a video about Windows sucking next. The fact they removed the vertical taskbar and killed the only great feature Windows 11 had going for it (Windows Subsystem for Android) has completely soured my opinion on it.

You have an interesting background kinda intense like mine... I was an early software evangelist with a Macintosh developer ID of MMCS (for MicroMac Computer Systems) and later I taught over 1,000 students in 70+ cities in a year and a half, but it was the good old days of OS 9 and G3s and the 1st fruit color iMacs. What a rush... now I'm retired and running a hobby blog called ComputerHobbyShop just for non-profit fun. Thanks Bryan for the video, you got a new sub here. (Want me to free promote you on my blog?)

awesome walk down memory lane for me - spot on and I was lucky to have experienced most of this first hand

some of the skins (Appearance manager section) belongs to the Copland project, which never reached the shelves TBH

The perfect integration between OS and hardware. Linux Foundation uses MAC 😂 The end.

Can confirm that the 'jet engine' Mac lived up to its name ... Had one when I was a PhD student and ran Linux on it; during boot, the fans ran at 100% until I logged in ... which was fine -- except for those times when my officemate was in and I was not.

Classic Mac OS is awesome?.... um.... "An unknown error occurred because an error occurred."

I think one thing missed. It was cool they experimented with a lot of stuff; those products never really saw the light of day. This caused Apple to hemorrhage money leading to needing to be bailed out by Microsoft. Also a lot of points, like the internet dependency, are the exact same as Linux and Windows.

Good sir! I'm a Mac user in far east Asia, and I picked up my first MacBook in 2019. When I was at middle school, I had a chance to play around with Mac Plus and the Mac Classic (or even LC I ). I totally agree with your points. As an international user, I 'loved' WorldScript because it allowed me to type my mother tongue. After that, I had a little experience with PowerMacs. (Yeah, just like you said, I also had the chance to play around with the Power Mac that could accept the DOS card. ) To me, it was amazing because the machine itself had the best of both worlds. After a while, for some reason, I kinda switched to Windows, and like I said in the beginning, I got myself a MacBook Pro 2012 13inch in 2019. Well, this machine still runs like a champ for me. I mean, I could swap the battery (if I could find one...say maybe in Ali Express?) but I did upgrade the RAM to 16 gigs and I also use a Samsung Evo 2TB hard drive. Sure, the 2012 machine is kinda heavy, but it's upgradable (glad it doesn't have the tork(?) screws) , it has a DVD player and well..legacy ports like FireWire and 3.0 USB etc. The thing is that if I really wanted to, I could use OCLP (OpenCore Legacy Patcher?) to use the latest system software. However, I try to stick to the last 'official' version which is Catalina because I don't really like the 'work around' method where some features might not work...and so on. (I'm not sure, but when I ran Monterey in my 'technically not supported' MacBook, I couldn't run VMware. I mean..it says there's a pipe line error..(whatever that is...). Anyways, to me, VMWare is important because I do use a lot of Windows 7 and Windows 10. (heck, I even use Windows XP when I have to.). VMware is also good for running Linux distros. Surprisingly, the old 'Ivy Bridge' dual core processor is *still* very much 'snappy' for me, and I am still using my MacBook Pro 2012 13inch right up to today. It's a solid machine. However, I do get your point. But I just wanted to add that although 2012 MacBook is very old, it did have some upgradability. Yes~ you are right..after that, they started to make thinner MacBooks so they made it impossible to upgrade RAM; only the SSD (using some kind of adapter) could be upgraded. I mean, right now, with the M series, there is really nothing you could do. SoC

One game I loved playing on a Mac back in the 90s, late 90s. Was Harpoon 2 on Mac OS 7. Had to update it if One went Mac OS 8 9, and X with Harpoon 3 more updated from H2. .

me watchingt his on my mac while shoping for an additional mac

Man, I would kill to have something like Extensions and AppleScript on a Linux system. Just getting something like Automator from Mac OS X, even though it sucks more, would be amazing

Current MacOS is like an OS made for toddlers, propeller cap included

So... all the best apple stuff was made after steve was fired. Figures.

Dragging copy of system folder onto ram disk... Ah the memories

I been knowing all of this for a long time, its so sad.

I share that sentiment. While I'm not a fan of macOS X and later versions, I have fond memories of macOS 9 and earlier iterations. In the early 2000s, I worked at a magazine publisher where Macs were prevalent for desktop publishing. Those machines consistently impressed me with their capabilities. As a programmer, I primarily used Windows (likely 95 or 98, though I can't recall the exact version) which, at the time, felt less refined in comparison. Interestingly, the situation has now reversed. The idea that Windows has become a superior alternative to Mac is a thought-provoking perspective that resonates with me.

It's interesting, I guess. I feel you speak about direction/production/vision changes. I like the current like 2010s-era Tim Cook-era _"huperson values"_ culture they have. It's a bit formulaic, but I like their huperson-centric language. There are always concerns. I feel inclined to agree with many things ya' say. But I won't wholesomely or even majorly invalidate a lot of what is being done because of how things were done in past.

With any hardware maker... you mean like Framework?

I wanted to hear more specifics about the shortcomings of the logic of the modern operating system and the convenience of the interface. The lack of modernization of the user interface does not look like a disadvantage because eye-catching themes cause a cringe to me. Like what we see in desktop threads, if you know what I mean. The inability to replace the battery and add RAM in laptops also looks pretty natural. Apple products are about consumption, so their owners just sell the hardware on time after a certain charging cycle and buy a new one. What a reference! 59:55

What about shortcuts for macOS?

The main problem with MacOS is how improductive it is given some non-customizable very annoying design features of the Mac OS UX language. It's simply slower to work MacOS in the long run, it might be more intuitive for some, but on the long run anyone that learns how to use and customize windows or some linux distros will save a lot of clicks and keystrokes dayly. Besides that, it was a pretty solid option when windows was still fighting with vista and the early builds of windows 7 and Mac simply worked with their intel macbooks with a seamless experience where you could leave your laptop on for 5 days, just closing the lid and charging it, and it would be stable and work right out the bat. Try to leave a windows machine on for 5 days, bugs galore. And linux ? It wasn't working well on laptops by that time, unless you had delved into serious research and trial/error installs on different laptops, and then had the luck to spot something that works with all the drivers, doesnt drain your battery, uses all sleep states properly, etcetera.

Widows sucks too!

using macOS is a pain in the ass for those who've only used windows and linux

MacOS now looks like a cartoon OS. It is so dumbed down that you would feel like an stupid. I miss the days of Jaguar, Leopard. ibooks were awesome and affordable. 12 inch Powerbook pros were awesome. Now all Apple product sux.

I personally use Macs for work and I have to say yea all modern OS systems suck but I grew up using classic macs and I still wonder what "unknown error occurred because an error occurred" actually means? LOL I prefer Linux for normal stuff like Internet trolling or watching Lunduke videos but otherwise I have to use a Mac since its the only way to get to use an actual modern audio standard without me losing a $1000 a day in the studio. Pipewire seems to getting there but we aren't close yet. Also the New ARM macs are silent which is a god send after coming from x86 and PowerPC which was like rising in a truck with the windows down trying to record vocals in the same room as the computer!

If we could run MacOS software on Linux with a translation layer I would be very happy.

Wasn't it Jobs' rescue of Apple that necessitated the changes? In the keynotes, new emojis now seem more important than anything else. It really sucks. I hate them because of Apple