Lmao I mean who wouldn't

y le hiso 7 hijos jajajja

Max is a fucking boss

Lol

Long before Krillin, there was Max.

Yea, ive watched documentaries about how the production was a nightmare. Thats why the second saga looks weird and off from tthe original saga. thats because that supposed to be a completely unrelated anime, but they made it as the second saga of the series. Similar to what mario 2 is and how it looks completely different from ther first mario. it was supposed to be a different game.

Another cool Macross lore to put inside my Macross lore collection (my mind)

"And how She may have killed my best friend"

@@mjd11452 she did it but he was a bumbling idiot anyway

@ true dat

But eventually, somehow... the madness finished, and Humans and Zentradi managed to join hands together.

Liokaiser definitely agreed.

Cell no

No, but it's the best anime during that time period it was released. I got to admit among the Macross franchise I got to say it's my favorite series. It's quite depressing that the aboard the ship vessel Minmay, Hikaru, Misa, and their child disappeared in the year 2016 never to be seen again. It was the first ship to set into space on a mission searching for life forms etc. I do hope they put this issue as a main topic in the new series that's in the process of being created which is called Macross Delta.

Andy Yang​ I don't know, I think Nausicaa has held up much better than this movie and it came out the same year. This movie seemed to have pretty inconsistent animation, with the good animation going to most of the battles, and the other parts getting the lazy animation.

There should be no one who doesn't agree with you. Hand drawn animation has a charm and warmth that CG animation simply cannot replicate.

Milia dances better. Dancing is for women.

Dancing os for everyone As we can see

The most amazing tango one will ever see, to sexy saxophone as well :P

This was a movie, the show never looked this good.

@@TeamTowers1 Umm thats why he said he wish the whole show itself (tv series) could have looked like it!

They really tried their best for the show.

TV anime is always riding the ragged edge of production schedules. There's a funny story involving the Gamilon enemy race from Space Battleship Yamato during it's initial production run that is startlingly similar to a problem that the Star Trek pilot episode (with Captain Pike) had during it's production. There was a sequence involving an Orion Slave Girl dancer (you know - the archetypical "green skinned babe"). Every time they got the film print of that sequence back from the developer and ran the film, she wound up standard white! So they filmed it again and again, adding darker and darker green body make-up and it STILL kept coming back with the girl looking Caucasian pink-skinned! Finally Roddenberry had enough of this and went to the film developer and asked around. Turned out the people developing the film kept thinking the green girl was a MISTAKE and kept color correcting it! He had to personally sign off a specific instruction that he WANTED GREEN!!! So - the Gamilons - were always meant to be blue skinned. But they were sending the animation instructions for these sequences to a company in Korea they were farming out the animation to. And for the first 10 episodes the Gamilons were white-skinned just like the Earth characters. Similarly - Nishizaki had to actually get the head of the animation company on the line personally and make it VERY CLEAR (I think there was some harsh language involved - but nobody is willing to be so impolite at this late date to say so) that the GAMILONS ARE BLUE. NO - I REALLY REALLY MEAN IT! So they turned blue. Infamously in episode 11. This isn't as noticeable if you're watching the show on a WEEKLY basis and there are no recording machines available. As a viewer, you might have the thought - "weren't they a different color before?" but there was no way to confirm that as fans in the early 70s! But as someone watching Star Blazers on a 5 day a week schedule in the early 80s - and recording it! - it was VERY NOTICABLE INDEED! Just goes to show the HELL an animation production can get into - particularly sci-fi shows. On the OTHER HAND - the remake of Yamato used this particular issue to it's advantage by making all of the more prominent early Gamilon characters (the ones the Yamato only encountered in the Solar System) be of a CLIENT race the Gamilons had previously conquered - thus adding some very intriguing layers of context to the Gamilon Empire! They got to have it BOTH ways - and made it work BETTER in the remake! 😎

For a TV show from 1982 Macross looked damn great. Of course this movie looks incredible, it's still the greatest work in the entire medium of anime.

+Scentless his accuracy and battle instinct are the reasons why he's called 'top ace' and 'genius'.

+KoeSeer withe a name like Jenius he better be

Dodging the CFA-44 ADMM’s from ace combat has taught me that the reaction he has is not only justified. I’d probably get hit in his position

The original series and this movie too do paint Max as someone who is just very good at this whole "aerial combat" thing, without making him obnoxious or a mary sue.

@@sayorisione8868 Ace Combat... oh the memories.

can't beat that

nothing like it!

No, the reason hand drawn isnt the best... You cant mass produce it...which wastes too much time. The artist can't move onto the next idea fast enough. Creativity becomes limited to the speed of the draw. With technology you can produce and save your style, you can provide tools for subordinates to use in production. You create a legacy/style that can be easily produced by subordinates. Long after the original artist is gone, their style can be traced onto new works. Technology allows an artists 'essence' to remain across multiple projects. Hand draw is a piece of art for history to observe. Technology allows the artist's essence to live in projects created by their peers, audiences will be excited by the artists style long into the future, in other projects. Kind of how rap music appropriated classic Motown hits as samples in new works. I'd love to see this Max and Milia scene 'motion captured' to a 3D animation work with different characters in a different story. I know I would recognize the original artists signature in that work. The same way you recognize the sampled pieces of music in a rap track. The sadest thing I can think of is this fantastic piece of animation work being lost to time. I'm moved by the energy and sentiment in this work. How Max and Milia both met their match in combat, and how the duel became a sort of deadly love play. It's a great work that needs to be preserved. Thank you for posting this. I dont like the Robotech masters version.😁👍

it's 3D animation converted into 2D you wood not be able to make macross style action animation witout 3D animation

@@vnelson000 3D isn't faster it could be just as good but it's not given the time to polish it up 3D suck's because because those in charge of making it treat it like fast food but saying it inherently is is just wrong in my opinion to me what you are saying is the same as saying goodwork is objectively wortless because it takes to mutch time

yeah, they look so alive in comparison

Only 90?

the attention to detail also, Max transforms with the missile pods attach to the wings so they cant fully retract in Batrroid mode, when he rolls it to dodge the shots when he comes out of the smoke to start shooting the wings are broken.

This is movie boy, try to compare to movie tier animation nowadays. Of course this would exceed most normal anime quality, but so do modern movies compared to 80s and 90s anime lmao

Most of all it was made by people who weren't just a numb committee machining a product out

And never make fun of your CO.

Because we don't battle. We don't play with the devils, or even sell anything to them. Not unless they will be truly Exorcied and for eternity.

Well put

"I approve of this!" - Nanoha and Fate Takamachi

Good! I’m gonna grab my shotgun out in the street

Both: a worthy opponent.

@@Wolf10media "Nameless mooks are not supposed to do that. Who are you?"

I disagree, check Miyazaki 's Porco Rosso or Yf-19 vs YF-21 from Macross OVA or Yf-21 vs Ghost X-9 from Macross Plus Movie edition or recent remake from Yamato 2199 or the 'realistic' dogfights in Area 88 Third Act.

cid76 I haven't seen Area 88, but yea the other Macross stuff was great. It's still pretty old though... like 20 years? Porco Rosso isn't exactly sci-fi even though it was awesome :p Yamato 2199... didn't dig the CGI stuff. I think traditional animation looks way better.

This was definitely a legendary dog fight scene in the history of anime, but there are other really awesome ones as well. I think one of my favorites is Gould (YF-21) vs. Isamu (YF-19) in Macross Plus and the very realistic opening dogfight in Macross Zero! Wow.

the price for condensing a series down to a feature length movie. iirc it was later established that this is in fact a fictionalized recounting of space war 1 in a later series

I still put it a close (VERY close) 2nd to the opening battle, with Fokker's Skull Squadron taking on a swarm of battle pods only to have to rush back and defend the Macross before she makes the most gorgeous transformation scene in franchise history.

well max its a genius, and hikaru was a monster one tier bellow him....poor squad of mirya got demolished like when hikaru was in the frontline fight at space...

He was probably taking part in the bigger battle after they got separated. Hikaru is a good pilot and I have no doubts he has a good chance of surviving battles.

Hikaru's the second best pilot, he'd be aight

Plot holes aside, it was a nice nod/reversal where Milia joined up with Max and flew her red Valkyrie alongside his blue Valkyrie. Seeing a Zentraedi-sized Max flying a Queadluun was cool as hell. The Meltrandi obviously made a few concessions given the circumstances.

I'm still wondering if the other ladies of that ship were freaking out hearing that go down in that tunnel.

@@SilentZombie "relax, its just melia having her first date."

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 Lol

This is clever direction right there

@Mäkirannantörmä This movie's actually an in-universe cinematic retelling of the tv show, so in this case they're acting out an encounter that happened in the original Macross rather than performing an actual military defense. You can see the show equivalent of the dogfight part of this in this video. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kMeqidpz0eCdlpc.html

Good call. I see everything you just mentioned.

Wow, as many times as I watched this movie..I never noticed that. Thanks for pointing that out!

I never noticed that before. 😳

It's like I've been saying for years - that last part in the airlock is the mecha equivalent to a down an dirty knife fight in an elevator!

For 80s indeed, if we consider 90s we can include also Macross Plus (OVA and Movie) Gundam 0080, 0083 and Gundam 08th......Evangelions technically aren't true mecha, more like technorganics

I have to admit, this was more intense only because it was so short, but it's really epic duel.

This was more epic, and plus was even more epic than this.

* A Kubrick airlock with Chris Foss stripes

We just need it RELEASED. Its been held hostage by a complicated web of legal nonsense for far too long.

Three-ship Flight Formation is hopelessly outdated. Brits used to fly like that in WW2. Now everyone flies Finger Four formation for mutual support. Kakizaki would still be alive if he had a wingman.

Max deserved it he’s a fucking chad

Cutting edge dulls, mastered methods are timeless. It's why pixel art has remained a viable art style over endless polygons chasers.

Actually no - that was his own doing - he still had missile pods on the wings and thus had to keep them deployed out - but had to make a split-second decision to roll out of the way of Milia's fire. His wings snapped off in the roll. That's still a good eye you have to catch that!

Hey it took a good while to even make one of their daughters believe that Minmay was a real person.

Remember that time Max and Millia literally tossed their baby at Hikaru and Hayase?

Millia: "She's got Zentradi in her. She's tough."

We use to call her the Black Widow

7 girls... damn max xD

They never did sell a “Max Special” VF-1S action mecha, did they? I have Hikaru’s -1A and -1S Strike Valk.

It was a total rip.

@@SVSky I think it's more tribute stuff than rip off

@@zerox8413 both.

is Hikaru no rick, and is kakizaky not kanzaki

Hell, Macross: DYRL , Macross II: Lovers again, and Macross Plus were far better than what came out after them. Even Macross Zero was better. Macross 7, Frontier, and Deta. Were were all utter rubbish.... It got too ridiculous and goofy at times.

@@RedWolf777SG Well that's just your fucking biased opinion dumbass. I'm an old school Macross fan for the past 36 years and I like Frontier and Delta. You only appreciate the war and mecha side of the show and can't stand the idols which are quintessential part of the Macross franchise. You're not a real fan.

Well that's just you. I like both the new and old Macross series. Nothing wrong with CGI effects as there are methods direct hand-drawn animation can't do.

@@RedWolf777SG couldnt agree with you more

80s-90s animation will never die. It's a shame I have not seen anything replicating such detail today.

well max pretty much killed her whole unit....

TheAllaksion LMAO

Nope. This is Macross, not Robocrap.

Jeezus, those dub names.

The weebs are mad that you didn’t say the proper names.

in reality the 'protoculture' was change because they had to combine 3 different animes into one, because the original macross just have 36 episodes and for it to appear on tv it had to have more than that, thats why they change it.

@@jeangomez3093 I'm aware of that, but I still think it's a loss that kids in the 80's who saw the show were only given hints as to the true meaning of the story.

I'm not convinced it's about gender. In my opinion it's more about how it's never too late for two civilizations to live in peace through non verbal communication, aka culture and art

@@Onewingerdraven Well, the Zentraedi and Meltrandi were segregated according to gender and were disturbed by sexual biology. The protoculture involved the use of culture that somehow healed that breach (but was denied by the more warlike Zentraedi) . Two examples would be the romance between Max and Millia and the joining of some of the Zentraedi to the humans. It the film Do You Remember Love?, it's made even more obvious through the title (referencing an ancestral DNA-based memory of male/ female relations, which is taken advantage of by the use of a singer - Lin Minmei) . I could go on, but it's clearly a unifying theme throughout the original series and film (the dissection of gender politics in the love triangle and Roy Focker's machismo) .

@@joshuahenry7965 the japonese mentality of the past dont have anything in common with the ideology of the present. Its complictly different.

To be fair, Zentradi and Meltrandi battle suits are more likely the Iron Man suit. Humans use robots the size of buildings, so in terms of size they are in same conditions.

@@puniopenetrante true

​@@puniopenetranteyup even the battlepod sits 1 soldier, sort of like a bike

Seven daughters ......Well done Max... Miriya totally a MILF...after seven daughters.......

LOL! When I read this, I read it with the exact tone of the english dub. The english dub is horrible.

@@sevenfifty7650 My nephew and I always use that term when we are in a confused state lol when I watched this Movie back in the early 90's that line always stuck with me lol

😭😭😭

She's just parroting what Max said. She doesn't understand or speak Japanese.

confirmation bias. A lot of anime in the 80's and 90's were terrible, we just didn't get as much of it in the states,... because who would want to spend the money (as it was far more expensive at the time) to localize something of poorer quality? Now, with everything being much cheaper to do, we're simply experiencing a flood of mediocrity that we didn't get when they had to carefully select only certain specific properties to bring over. ... and if you're VERY very lucky, not destroy with a terrible dub (a la the vast majority of AnimEigo's English dubs)

pretty much, hikaru was a great pilot but max was a fucking monster xD

nah... krillin at least comes back. I can see why his valkyrie is called "Cannon Fodder"

I dunno, it was Max getting with their version of 18...that's very Krillin-like.

It's kind of ironic, considering that Max's original VA also voiced Zarbon in DBZ.

You mean Yamcha?