Christopher Russo debates his hypothetical Hall of Fame ballot with Brian Kenny on MLB Now
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@dennisquigney38095 ай бұрын
The Jeff Kent disrespect is unbelievable
@genius1795 ай бұрын
That is politics because Kent is an asshole. I think Kent's defense hurts him too.
@jackstretch32355 ай бұрын
Brian didn’t disrespect Jeff Kent
@FJCERNA5 ай бұрын
Jeff Kent was the man
@Dinobot25 ай бұрын
It's deserved.
@dennisquigney38095 ай бұрын
@@jackstretch3235 I'm just saying in general by the writers
@hosiahjones5 ай бұрын
THE HALL SHOULD BE SMALL! STOP THE DILUTION! Thank you Mad Dog.
@robertanderson28985 ай бұрын
LOL I absolutely love when they argue back and forth and talk over each other .......
@cronoesify5 ай бұрын
It was amazing
@fortynights15134 ай бұрын
These two are great
@markschuh35355 ай бұрын
The fact that Harold Baines is in renders all discussions moot. It is now the hall of pretty good.
@broadstbullies5 ай бұрын
Baines last year. Helton this year. They are letting very good players in not great. It's not a good trend
@MrGageHarrison5 ай бұрын
That was the veterans committee, not the writers. Blame veteran players.
@robertanderson28984 ай бұрын
@@broadstbullies ?? Helton was great. Screw Coors Field, he was just as great as Larry Walker in Colorado, maybe better. But yeah, others being let in I don't agree with.
@robertanderson28984 ай бұрын
I don't really care for WAR stuff, but Will Clark's is over 56, even Andy Van Slyke's is over 40, a few over Baines. I guess it's the career stats, and compiling. But he was solid good for at least 20 seasons.
@hosiahjones4 ай бұрын
@@robertanderson2898 Longevity is NOT ENOUGH.
@espionage65 ай бұрын
I mostly agree with Dog, but Joe Mauer is not a Hall of Famer. He doesn’t have the bulk on his resume to justify him making it. Yes, he won an MVP and multiple batting titles. Yes, he’s a .306 lifetime hitter. But Dog has said it before, part of greatness is longevity and Mauer did not have that in the least. The MLB HOF is becoming embarrassing. It should be for all time greats not for sometime greats.
@mikeimpressionsreviews983125 күн бұрын
Dude didn’t even have 1K rbis. The Mauer thing seemed weird to me. Are we really going to make like the catcher position is good for nothing offensively
@swine745 ай бұрын
if you don't have 2000 hits, you better be phenomenal for several years
@fortynights15134 ай бұрын
Was Utley phenomenal for long enough?
@manzoman965 ай бұрын
People who say they watched the games and argue against Utley are liars. Best 2B in the league for a long period of time.
@ron88303Ай бұрын
It's not as much as Utley getting in as it is much as other 2B who were left out, e.g., Grich, Kent, and Whitaker.
@zachgibbons41745 ай бұрын
I’m the biggest Utley fan there is but I’d have to agree with Dog if you don’t have 2,000 hits you shouldn’t be a HOF
@robertanderson28985 ай бұрын
Didn't even get 1,900. Brian Kenny sure thinks he's a no doubter. Gil Hodges and Tony Oliva got in with under 2000 Hits (Vet's Committee), Andruw Jones was recently tracking at 70%, but most likely won't make it.
@alexlondynn44405 ай бұрын
@@robertanderson2898It’s definitely tough to do. Tony Oliva made it when the Vet’s considered his accolades and dominance for the first 10 years of his career. One of the best pure hitters of the 60s and early 70s
@gadielriverafebo975 ай бұрын
Utleys a CHAMPION… Mauers not, nor Helton 💯
@dm25625 ай бұрын
How do u feel about posey ? He accomplished so much in little time
@robertanderson28985 ай бұрын
Well I say Oliva is a notch or two above Utley, even though the huge WAR difference (overrated stat IMO). Utley debuted at 28% I believe. It should go up, but he's just not a HOFer in my book.@@alexlondynn4440
@kevinburke60555 ай бұрын
Dog is usually a hard grader and the fact Mauer is ok with him is crazy. No way Mauer is a Hall of Famer. Dog just said Mauer was mostly a DH 1B over catcher and he has less than 1000 RBIs.
@jonathonhappel5 ай бұрын
Borderline guys should not be first ballot HOFers. Gary Carter had more HOF seasons than Mauer, much more power, higher 7 year peak WAR, won a WS and is second all-time in JAWS for catchers. It took him 6 tries to get in. Got less than 50% of the vote his first 3 years of eligibility. Standards for HOF have come way down over time.
@xtrememarioplush7935 ай бұрын
Also not fair to guys like Mattingly and Hernandez that unfortunately were on the ballot for a period of years where they actually put in hall of famers and they were left out. If they were around now on these ballots they would be first ballot HOFamers.
@tomace97675 ай бұрын
Mike and Dog should have had this argument instead but they’d probably agree with each other that the HOF is getting watered down year after year
@drewphillips29075 ай бұрын
Andrew is biggest snub
@ron88303Ай бұрын
There are players who no longer even being considered that are bigger snubs.
@user-vx5qg7hj5t5 ай бұрын
Neither mauer or Helton are hall of famer neither chase utley
@xtrememarioplush7935 ай бұрын
100 percent
@bobwtrs895 ай бұрын
Mad Dog - "You guys with your data!" Mad Dog 2 Seconds Later - "Kent hit .290"
@meazybx50435 ай бұрын
None of the guys mentioned could touch Albert Belle and he's not in the hall of fame, and it's a joke!
@xtrememarioplush7935 ай бұрын
I was gonna type about Belle in here and then I see you beat me to it! His numbers are staggering. Best hitter of the 90's and most feared player in baseball due to how hard he played and his determination. Again look at the numbers no argument can be made otherwise. Also only player in the history of the game to hit 50 HR and 50 doubles in a season.
@fortynights15134 ай бұрын
Mad Dog has argued Belle belongs
@ron88303Ай бұрын
@@fortynights1513 Bergman is right there with Belle.
@johnlamberti442413 күн бұрын
That's because the sports writers didn't like him. It's a popularity contest. Some ballplayers get their asses kissed and others get their assessment kicked
@jasonkeenan41545 ай бұрын
So happy for Helton!
@TOCC505 ай бұрын
Put Albert Belle in
@ron88303Ай бұрын
@@TOCC50 And Lance Bergman. And Jim Edmonds.
@glp3295 ай бұрын
Chris might be nuts but he's correct.
@jackstretch32355 ай бұрын
Maybe about Wagner but not about Utley saying Utley wasn’t a good fielder is blasphemous he was a stud in the field
@McShibby105 ай бұрын
Adrian Beltre and Billy Wagner in the HOF is a complete joke. Billy Wagner is in because why he was the first to throw 100? Beltre is just another Cal Ripkin he’s in because he played so many games and didn’t get injured.
@xtrememarioplush7935 ай бұрын
Agreed . I've come to the realization it's just a watered down hall now and I have no high expectations for it. Whoever gets in at this point I don't even get upset about it is what it is. Unfortunately.
@omegacroc29285 ай бұрын
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Adrian Beltre has 93 career war. I know WAR shouldn’t be the end all be all, but 90 War means you’re a hall of famer.
@ron88303Ай бұрын
@@omegacroc2928 WAR is dependent on hypotheticals and probabilities. I'd rather look at what players actually did.
@johnlamberti442413 күн бұрын
What about jeff kent, he only has the most hr's by a 2nd basemen in the history of baseball
@broadstbullies5 ай бұрын
Watch the games don't worry about stats. Next sentence says utleys batting average lol
@McShibby105 ай бұрын
Imagine thinking Adrian Beltre and Todd Helton are better players than Manny Ramirez Jeff Kent Gary Sheffield and Alex Rodriguez 🤣
@Spinach_D5 ай бұрын
What’s with that intro? Brian Kenny is a joke, no one is being offended.
@jonathanbeyer785221 күн бұрын
Put Dale Murphy in! 2 MVP’s !!
@natestricker3 ай бұрын
Chase utley didn’t lose MVPs just because of Pujols he lost them to multiple of his own teammates, Ryan Howard and Jimmy Rollins. In his prime wasn’t even considered the best player on his team
@aCozyManatee5 ай бұрын
No way Utley should be in the hall.
@xtrememarioplush7935 ай бұрын
Agree
@ron88303Ай бұрын
Depends on what the criteria is.
@MrBimirud5 ай бұрын
What? Mad Dog had actual NAMES on his Hall of Fame ballot? Names? Why not just let EVERYONE in, doggie?
@sullysully-en4on5 ай бұрын
My god in what world is Utley a HOFer?? Brian Kenny is a clown
@xtrememarioplush7935 ай бұрын
Haha absolutely
@sandmanlogan5ran1493 ай бұрын
I don't get the crack on Lou Whitaker, he should be in. He should have went in withTrammel.
@tommayrant22795 ай бұрын
Many have played in Colorado who haven't hit like Helton. Most doubles ever in one decade. Re: Wagner...Ted Williams hit .200 in the postseason.
@jonesvaughn89465 ай бұрын
Doggie loves to burst ppls bubbles😂
@leam895 ай бұрын
Mad dog needs a new nickname like should have retired dog
@timmytv75545 ай бұрын
Why are they comparing Helton's road OPS to a group of outfielders? You don't compare an apple to a burrito.
@ron88303Ай бұрын
Just compare his home OPS (1.048) with his away OPS (.855).
@NiTiB3AT5 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for kershaw to get to the ballot once his time is done because mad dog is going to use the same excuse kershaw was putrid in the playoffs
@brettlawlor89215 ай бұрын
I don't know about that. Dog LOVES the Cy Youngs and MVPs, both of which Kershaw has.
@americangiant10035 ай бұрын
Doggie is right on Wagner. Even with great regular season numbers, the Closer entire career is based almost exclusively on his performance in the playoffs. Just like Field Goals Kickers in the NFL. There is a reason only a very small amount of Closers led by “Mo” have gotten in. And rightfully so.
@jakesorrentino72305 ай бұрын
Such a small sample size you can’t go by that
@hosiahjones5 ай бұрын
@@jakesorrentino7230 Closers are NOT judged by sample size. PERIOD! That's the whole point. The closer either closes in the playoffs or chokes. Billy Wagner is a CHOKER!
@fortynights15134 ай бұрын
@@hosiahjonesWas Billy Wagner good enough in aggregate to make the Hall of Fame with as poor a playoff resume as he had? I ask because if you are judging their entire career on the playoff performance, then Wagner pitched 903 regular season innings and only 11.2 playoff innings. Even Mariano Rivera who played longer and pitched in more postseason innings still pitched only 141 playoff innings as opposed to 1,283.2 innings in the regular season. Not that postseasons aren’t important to factor in, but it just feels silly to me to disregard over 90% of the innings they actually pitched.
@hosiahjones4 ай бұрын
@@fortynights1513 yet another sample size argument. Total BS. The playoffs is the only reason for the sport. That's what matters most. Yet you cannot list a single postseason moment of greatness (or even goodness for that matter). The man was not even average in the playoffs, he was trash! Seriously. Trash! Your sample size argument is like getting your homework right but failing the test. Nobody cares about your homework when you UTTERLY FAIL the test.
@fortynights15134 ай бұрын
@@hosiahjonesIf you don’t think his regular season career is good enough to offset his playoff career, then I could see why you wouldn’t favor him. Personally, I don’t care how trash you are in the playoffs, if you have enough of a regular season career, you belong in my book, and Wagner (as well as Joe Nathan who went one and done) did well enough in aggregate. If they performed badly in the playoffs, then that’s just not something going for them. And that goes for all positions in my opinion. One other question: What would you say about a closer that never appeared in the playoffs? And would Wagner have a better Hall of Fame case if he put up the same stats for a team that never reached the playoffs? If you say sample doesn’t matter, and you are going strictly off of postseason performance, then how would you judge someone who has none?
@x7251z5 ай бұрын
Helton hit .287 on the road, not .281.
@rdj2523 ай бұрын
Utley is hall of good not even very good. Had a few great years, but fall off was huge. Kenny is a joke. Dog is wrong about several people including Wagner. His separate standard for closers in the World Series is hypocritical when players like Ted Williams were horrible in the post season. He picks and chooses when certain things are important for the hall. Kenny actually made a good point about Eck, Gossage and Rivera who all had colossal failures in the Series. Dog had no comeback just yelled. Can’t believe I actually gave Kenny credit for something. He’s the worst.
@imindjonovanozima5 ай бұрын
"Poetik elk 41"
@hosiahjones4 ай бұрын
@fortynights1513 What do I have to say, you ask? Well, ok, let me say this, if you have to come back to this thread long after our previous debate was closed (and I clearly won that debate), one thing is clear. You are quite obviously a paid agent of Billy Wagner. Perhaps his sports agent. Actually, perhaps you are Billy Wagner himself using fortynights as a username. LOOK, THIS DEBATE IS OVER, AND I WON THE DEBATE. The very fact that you lost the debate has been eating away at you for many days after we finished our exchange, so much so that you could not handle wrestling with the idea that you lost so you had to come back and revisit the debate with more laughably bad arguments based in logical fallacies. You should do some research about logical fallacies, you could learn a ton. [Footnote: one final point, if you are Billy Wagner or Wagner's agent, listen up. I said above in my remarks that you are a very good player. But you choked when the lights were the brightest. Multiple times choked. Choked so much and so bad in the clutch that your manager refused to put you into the game later in the series GAME 7, NINTH INNING, TIE GAME after your multiple chokes, as discussed in this very video. Postseason ERA of not 5.0, not 6.0, not 7.0, not 8.0, not 9.0. POSTSEASON ERA OVER +10.0. Not from 1 or 2 postseason games, or even 3 or 4 postseason games, ERA over +10.0 from 14 POSTSEASON GAMES! Unbelievable! You are a VERY GOOD player, but you choked when the lights were brightest. YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF THE PRESTIGE OF THE HALL OF FAME. PERIOD.] I know y ou will respond to this, but you need to understand this will be my last message.
@irodagafurova88335 ай бұрын
Intelligent snow 30
@davidcollison89735 ай бұрын
Lee Smith not a HOFer? Dog, you just lost me
@geeskin57504 ай бұрын
Never understood the knock on him
@joshuagiannini58935 ай бұрын
How is Mauer a hall of famer and not Keith Hernandez what a joke Keith has 11 gold gloves batting chips and a MVP what are we doing here smh so mauer gets in for a few batting titles that’s it? He wasn’t a great fielder and wasn’t the best player at his position and Andruw jones isn’t in ? He has 430 home runs and 10 gold gloves only Griffey jr and Willy Mays have done that that a first ballot hr is top 3 ever defensively at CF this is why baseball is trash these writers have to much power and are out of touch
@alexlondynn44405 ай бұрын
I think you need to take a look at your facts. Joe Mauer was a 3-time GG winner at Catcher, so he was a great defender. He’s the first catcher to ever win a batting title, and he won 3 of them. You’ve gotta remember, he’s a catcher. That COMPLETELY changes the way he’s looked at. Also, found this stat “There have been only three players in MLB history with at least 7900 PA who have played at least half of their games at catcher and who have had a career OPS+ higher than 120, and their names are Joe Mauer (124 OPS+), Yogi Berra (125), and Johnny Bench (126).” Seems pretty significant.
@alexlondynn44405 ай бұрын
Keith Hernandez was a first baseman who didn’t hit 200 home runs and didn’t have 2200 hits. GG numbers aren’t as significant at a primarily offensive position, and he just doesn’t have good offensive numbers for a 1st baseman in the HOF.
@alexlondynn44405 ай бұрын
In the end, you’re wrong about him not being a great fielder and not being the best player at his position. I mean, he won an MVP in 2009. That means he was the best player at ANY position that year. There’s no other catcher from 2005-2013 who’s on the same level as Joe.
@joshuagiannini58935 ай бұрын
@@alexlondynn4440 ok and Keith Hernandez has batting title and a mvp also with 2 World Series rings and the greatest defensive 1st baseman EVER mauer isn’t even a top 10 defensive catcher so clearly u don’t know baseball writers vote on people they like 1st baseman is still the infield if u ever watch Keith play which u probably didn’t then u would understand if u are the greatest at something with rings and a mvp that’s a hall of famer Ozzie smith is a hall of famer his offensive was TERRIBLE but he is the greatest defensive SS ever same principle and he has no MVPs no silver slugger sad doesn’t have 3000 hits but baseball has lower standards now to let Maurer and Helton in so clearly u are wrong
@joshuagiannini58935 ай бұрын
@@alexlondynn4440 3 time gold glove award is great are u kidding me? 3 out of 14 years is great what planet are u on and he played DH u forget he was in the AL he didn’t play his whole career at catcher u can’t be a great defender with only 3 gold gloves cut it out u don’t know the meaning of great he was GOOD not close to great
@rjperfetto5845 ай бұрын
Joe Mauer is no Hall Of Famer at all.
@xtrememarioplush7935 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree
@user-es3zj2hm2w5 ай бұрын
Dirty elk 18
@patricknashh5 ай бұрын
mad dog needs to retire, this guy does not know ball