AGREED and I think that’s why she got in over Ashton

Madison made some errors in the final, Aliya didn't make as many and had more difficulty. It's that simple.

Alex Phaea actually I think Maddie had the higher execution but aliyas difficulty gave her the win

@@jonahismine have you ever seen kocian's inbar from a side angle? its nowhere near mustafina's. but i do believe shes deserved silver.

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Nastia Liukin

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Nastia?

I could watch her do the Pak + Chow 1/2 combo over and over. It's so beautiful!

Gymnastics is a sport based on scores, and scores must be fair, don’t you think? All gymnasts work hard, but what should decide scores is the performance they produce in competition. Kocian has a lot of form breaks compared to Mustafina, so they shouldn’t get the same number, that’s why you see so much complaint here.

Acis Biléyam This is not an exhibition but a competition. In competition what matter are fair scores so those scores must be fair. The only way to determine whether a score is fair or not is with comparison.

liceous Marta probs pushed for that to be worked on lol, she wouldn’t have that on a gymnast at rio

Who's floor exercise?

@@mavi8449 Celine from NED

Josh - 😂😂 lol the bird box comment was great. but seriously though, we all see aliya’s twisting form and only 1/100 times will anyone point it out. and it’s one of the most obvious technical flaws of any gymnast in the world.

jboww2121 lots of people comment on her twisting form, this is about her bars not floor or beam. Aliyas form on bars is impeccable.

@@maia9056 sickled feet on jaeger

Those helicopter legs😆🤣

@@maia9056 aliya has seepages feet at time one bars especially on her jaeger. She isnt flawless

Sophie R her landing in the NCAA final was much better. Phew

its not a deduction for her to land feet apart as long as she can close her heels. She was actually no deduction here

her landing was fine

No, there is a deduction for landing with feet apart. Your "close heels" argument makes no sense.

essa leigh no u can land w ur feet shoulder width apart and close ur heels in as she did, i'm a gymnast i know that for a fact

MrReed314 d

MrReed314 she trained alongside nastia at the same gym they definitely have similarities in terms of style you can tell nastia was a great influence to Maddie

soosie hanrahan I did not know that...And you are right, they do have similar styles...Lol: Especially the way they hold their legs, if you cut them in half you wouldn't be able to tell whose legs are whose...(Although it would not hurt for Maddie to have longer routines like Nastia did.)

i didnt know kanye watched gymnastics

The rules from 2006-2008 when Nastia competed were different from the 2013-2016 rules. They change every quad. Nastia's routine was longer because the code of points for that time counted the 10 most difficult elements in the routine. Now, they only count the top 8 elements. Also, the deductions are more strict now than they were in 2008, so most routines nowadays are as short as possible so as to reduce the amount of opportunities for deductions. You can't really compare the two when it comes to that.

She had to have shoulder surgery in college and the transition became too risky for potential reinjury. She had to keep in mind she needed a shoulder that would work for her in her chosen career of medicine.

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Mustafina also got this score in the team final. So they both got a 15.933 but both scored less in the event final.

Alex Phaea You seem a bit confused. Kocian got higher in qualifying. They tied in team. Mustafina won in EF. That was my point. I’m not sure what you are saying.

Cantor my point is they both had the exact same highest score at some point in the comp. Both scored 15.933 in TF. So to say she outscored Mustafina suggests she got a better score than Aliya ever did in Rio. Yes, Maddie got a better score in qualifying, but she didn't outscore her because her score here didn't beat Aliya's 15.933. The way you phrased it suggests if Maddie had given this routine in the final she would have beat Aliya which is incorrect as Aliya got a 15,900. Oh and I'm not 'confused', I just mistook this video as being TF. I know what scores they both got when.

@@alexkaitlinthomas Glad we could clear that up. lol. Yes, I was just talking about qualifying, where Musta qualified second. I will say these judges were more lenient than the other qualifying rounds. The way I phrased it is 100% correct. You just misinterpreted my words.

because she can get stuck landing. that's why. but for the open leg, she will get a bit deduction

She possibly also does it to protect her leg/ankle from further injury. Better to accept that slight deduction than to set yourself up for permanent damage.

Andrie Ferdy Antoni it helps her stick it and there is no deduction

Andrie Ferdy Antoni you probably couldnt even get close to doing that skill so shutup you have no idea how hard that skill is. I started working full in dismounts in a pit LAST YEAR and i still cant land upright in the pit even after almost a year working them so they're not at easy as you think

Jada Pascual there is a deduction of 0.1

Thay Gregolin she only did bars.

I know it's ugly, but I think she does that to prevent injuries when landing.

Winnie Tam better than getting an injury.

Landing with your feet together actually causes injury.

Landing was perfect !!!

Everybody pays attention to that but as long as its within shoulder width she's okay and its no deduction

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Actually, this was original for Mustafina. She did this in 2010 and no one had routines like that. Everyone else slowly moved towards that style later, but Aliya's routine is original

It's Aliya's routine. That style is hers, everybody just copied her. QUEEN. 👑

essa leigh actually, it was Komova who started the shaposhnikova+pak trend.

It is probably for the better because the deductions will make more sense to Mustafina and Kocian knowing that they did the same thing.

It’s simple- if you don’t like what you see, don’t watch. Whining about it just makes you look childish.

Yet the real queen of the bars delivered when it mattered and slayed Maddie with her superior difficulty. Besides, Kocian has a history of being overscored on this very event, cough *2015 UB final* cough.

m lily Kocian was totally overscored out there. She's not in Aliya's level at all.

Kocian's execution overscore deserved silver because Spiridonova both botched her routine but Mustafina's difficulty plus execution deserved gold.

m lily I dont think so, she would have needed a 9.400 in execution to overscore Mustafina, which she never did, even at P&G's

She needs a miracle to beat Mustafina at the Olympics. I only see Komova beating her anytime but I don't see anyone else who can.

Danielle Kresge yeah

only if it is very wide

Not unless it’s more wide than the shoulders for the women. The men have more strict rules in that Code.

Mohammed Mahany all the top UB workers do similar routines

That’s why the 2012 EF was so good because all the medalists had very different routines.

Mauricio M Céline van Gerner (NED)

Es hermosa, gracias.

She really struggled with knee/ankle injuries during her elite career. My guess is she would way rather take the deduction of having her legs apart than go for a perfectly stuck landing where the risk of injury is much higher.

@@meganralstin2013 true

Malin Davilski Nastia and Madison both have excellent handstands, however Nastia relied more on pirouettes, Madison does a better job with transition from the high bar to the low bar and back, something Nastia wasn't as good at.

Gowreesh Nath.a.s lol I wasn't implying that Madison had perfect handstands. I was comparing Nastia and Madison's handstands and said that they're both excellent, never did I mention Gabbie.. so I don't know what your point is.

Yes she learnt from Nastia. Late handstand, separate legs when landing and also the overscore.

She missed a handstand in finals which was the difference maker.

Ricardo Contreras Reyes that's the only gold she got😂

Sinhue Herrera good for her

The only back to back gold she's got and the only female to defend her Olympic title in Rio. Haters gonna hate.

Madison was brought to Rio as a specialist. And Aliya may have deserved the gold on bars but she won because her routine was harder. Madison's execution score was higher. Aliya got gifted her bronze in the all-around (Shang Chunsong deserved that medal) and if we're comparing her to anyone, it should be other AAers...people who were brought to Rio to compete more than one event. Someone like Simone. And Aliya doesn't compare to Simone. So drop it.

Aliya doesn't need TUE to compete though or doesn't need to pretend she has ADHD. That's what's good about her and she's smart and sure knows how to use her head. Rules says execution + difficulty. She nailed it. So they can keep on hating her for defending her Olympic title.

Francis Nguyen no. She’s at UCLA

@@janegoldy6385 Oh Madison Kocian winning UCLA Artistic Gymnastics Champions!

No, she was at UCLA using transitions such as standing on the low bar and jumping across to the high bar! As an Olympic silver medalist she should really be embarrassed about that

@@alexkaitlinthomas How is she?

@@alexkaitlinthomas She was protecting her shoulder.

To be fair to Mustafina, when she did this routine in 2012 I remember it seemed original especially the transition from 00:26 - 0:31 and then a lot of other girls (including Kocian) copied it in 2016. but you're right, I don't think the new gymnastics allows or awards creativity like it used to.

Lorelai M everyone do Pak and Shapos transition mix up with inbar like Mustafina. We miss a lot breathking London 2012 final, Tweddle and Kexin release combo

Lorelai M stop watching them then

Yoga yes!!!! Tweddle's bar routines drew gasps from crowd who were already forgetting to breathe during her routines. It was like watching a floor routine with tons of incredible tumbling. She was the best. Miss those kind of bars

Here’s a thought- don’t watch it if you find it boring. Oh wait, I’m guessing you’d rather whine like a toddler because you have nothing better in life to do.

In Qualification: Kocian. In the team: Tie. In Event Finals: Mustafina.

In team finals Maddie and Mustafina both scored 15.933 which was the highest score for both of them. In event finals neither scored that well, but Mustafina got 15.900 and Maddie got just a little lower due to a couple of low handstands.

nah she copied mustafina's bars tbh

I have to agree on that. Late pirouettes, close to the bar on the release, and separated legs on the dismount.

Kim Williams She separates her legs to prevent injury.

She'd still get a silver medal regardless. Aliya got the Gold medal. I'd say poor Seitz because she almost had the Bronze medal until a slight step on her dismount.

The point is Aliya got the Gold still. It's execution plus difficulty is what makes you win.

What an amazing grasp of the English language you have. Please be sure to let the world know when you finally graduate from preschool.

Carlos Santiago Wow, really original.

@@tianajoiner7852 yeah

What an amazing grasp of the English language you have. Please let us know when you graduate from preschool.

She separates her legs to prevent serious injury and if she didn't the chances of getting injured are so high that she would not be able to compete in the next days of the Olympics.

hater

And who is both a gold and silver medalist at the Olympics? Right, exactly. Your opinion thankfully doesn’t matter a damn to anyone else.

@@saragrant9749 she is already forgotten by everyone for good hahaha

@@jlenardwang977 only by you, considering that team- her included- is still looked at with highest regard to this day. You sound like an individual with an inferiority complex, someone so small in life that you feel the need to try to bring another who has achieved greatness in life down. Epic failure. She will always be remembered as a gymnastics champion- you will be remembered for not a single thing. Let the world know when you finally graduate from preschool as it will likely be a world record for longest time spent trying to reach elementary school.

Nobody even knows who you are

Coming from someone who is in general forgettable lol. Good luck doing anything in life that will matter to anyone at all.

yep - Skinner should have gone.

Gabby was third overall in qualifying for the all around, only being eliminated by the asinine two per country rule. She rocked a 15.7+ routine in team finals and contributed to the dominant team gold. The only deadweight here is the useless fool who wrote this comment- someone who clearly never graduated from preschool.

Shuk Ling Wan no it wasn't

Sinhue Herrera not really

Sinhue Herrera what was her score anyways

9.166, even higher than Aliya's and Fan's score just because she is an American.

the judges didn't give her the gold because they're scared of losing their jobs lol!

Nah Mustafina did it 50 times better and has been doing it 4 years longer.

That's not the point. That is Mustafina's routine. Her style. She inovated it herself in 2012. Yes Maddie is beautiful on bars, this is obvious. But there is a lot more to Mustafina being better than her than experience. (like talent, grit, longevity.). I don't get why people get all up in arms when others say Maddie doesn't measure up to Mustafina. There's very few gymnasts in the entire history of gymnastics that do.

Joyce Wan Actually, since 2012 UB Mustafina's routine, everyone started doing a very similar routine. Look at the 2012 ub ef, no one even did a transition like Mustafina, but in 2016 Madison and Daria did almost the same routine except for the dismount.

Oh Fuck that shit. She's basically been doing the same routine since 2013. First she has terrible form now she's copying Mustafina. You ppl really are pathetic.

Who cares, it still won her an Olympic silver medal individually and a gold with team. When you come even remotely close to accomplishments like that, please let the world know- especially if you manage to do it while trying to complete preschool.