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Magic in 1997 Was Truly Something Else | Green Stompy vs UWR Speed Control

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Cardmarket - Magic

Cardmarket - Magic

Күн бұрын

We invited special guest Frank Karsten to play the cards that first introduced him to the game, the 1997 World Championship Top4 decks! Watch to find out just how much worse the creatures were than the spells!
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@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
🦎💤 Decklists: bit.ly/3JKaPnf
@zigzag2370
@zigzag2370 9 ай бұрын
Lightning angel prophetic bolt goblin trenches man oh man what a set apocalypse was!!!
@zigzag2370
@zigzag2370 9 ай бұрын
Ohhhh this was the older then I thought😂
@Lightning_Lance
@Lightning_Lance Жыл бұрын
I like how Frank was genuinely excited to "combo" Rogue Elephant with Harvest Wurm. It's such a derpy strategy hahaha
@shiar
@shiar Жыл бұрын
yeah, he looked truly happy :)
@brunobaw657
@brunobaw657 Жыл бұрын
Been there back in the day! ahaha Also the other "combo" is Quirion Ranger with Winter Orb or Spectral Bears
@Nahti1
@Nahti1 Жыл бұрын
I immediately came up with that combo myself after opening the booster display. I was so keen on seeing it work. Unfortunately it wasn’t very reliable. Btw. If I remember correctly Spectral Bears and Whirling Dervish were in Green Stompy to compete with Necropotence decks.
@asdfghjkl3669
@asdfghjkl3669 Жыл бұрын
I feel like I'm going insane why didn't he use the three mana he had available from Quinton ranger to cast both of them on the same turn
@benbarclay4239
@benbarclay4239 11 ай бұрын
lmao same it must've been a misplay @@asdfghjkl3669
@DemonBlanka
@DemonBlanka Жыл бұрын
That green deck is so creative, using the downsides of the creatures to play around the winter orb is so cool to see. I love seeing throwback standard games.
@asap_woke
@asap_woke Жыл бұрын
Frank is an incredible guest, CardMarket is an incredible organization and group of people. Keep up the great work and great videos.
@milanmach2379
@milanmach2379 Жыл бұрын
Rogue Elephant into Harvest Wurm was my first Pauper deck :) The whole Mirage block has some of the best art, flavor, and feel in MTG ever.
@loxeggcheese
@loxeggcheese Жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Love seeing these historic decks and standard formats face off. Like you said it’s so hard to find old coverage videos and just imagining how they’d play from reading deck lists isn’t nearly as fun as this! I’d love to see more of these videos
@TheEndKnight
@TheEndKnight Жыл бұрын
Your production quality is the best I've seen ever for 1v1 magic I'm glad you guys are back can't I can't wait for more videos
@schapman7319
@schapman7319 Жыл бұрын
Wotc made these as world championship decks for 1997 and for 8 other years in gold borders, they were amazing and so fun to play still.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
We show their price at the end of the video though 😅 they are quite expensive now because they are so rare that they are collectibles in themselves! Frank suggested we buy them for the video and we realized we don't really have the budget 💰
@kobisjeruk
@kobisjeruk Жыл бұрын
​@@CardmarketMagic Way back when we were first introduced to Magic in '98 my friend bought jakub slemr deck (black-based aggro) and janosch kuhn deck (uwr deck featured in the vid) and then later ben rubin (red sui-sleigh). However, the most annoying one(s) to play against and cause many newbies to jump on the island hater train was donais 5c (not a world champ iirc) and 'the dominator' which is a mono blue preconstructed deck from exodus.
@Spiqaro
@Spiqaro 4 ай бұрын
@@CardmarketMagic Funny...I made it a point to buy them all before the pandemic. Along with the Pro Tour Collector set from 1996.
@de245733
@de245733 Жыл бұрын
That was really exciting, can we get more of these for us newer players to see some of the old classic matchups?
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
We'll happily do more :) I was so thrilled the whole time editing this, and I didn't even play back then
@spliffi869
@spliffi869 Жыл бұрын
Agreed those historic championship match-ups are super interesting and would love to see more of it as well.
@zirilan3398
@zirilan3398 10 ай бұрын
@@CardmarketMagic tbh you could make a series on the Premodern for this
@ralr
@ralr Жыл бұрын
You guys took the time and effort to animate snow flakes falling when the outpost was played. Such level for details makes your channel great. Oh and Toffel of course
@jocojuri
@jocojuri Жыл бұрын
Love Frank Karsten as a guest, he is really pleasant to listen to. Great matchup too, thanks for the vid.
@KlittoD
@KlittoD Жыл бұрын
Karsten is a great guest he looks so passionate about the whole game!
@marklehman5272
@marklehman5272 Жыл бұрын
I legit popped when frank got the damage on the stack ruling correct. What a magic gangsta
@AAGEnzee
@AAGEnzee Жыл бұрын
Why was frenetic efreet even played in the deck at the time then? Just to potentially survive removal?
@marklehman5272
@marklehman5272 Жыл бұрын
@@AAGEnzee not gonna lie... I don't know...
@AAGEnzee
@AAGEnzee Жыл бұрын
@@marklehman5272 could you declare it as a blocker and phase it out before damage and the creature was still 'blocked' and did no damage (unless it had trample, of course)? I honestly can't remember the rules back then, even though I technically played I was pretty young. I just remember frenetic being strong for some reason. I know wildfire efreet was strong cause it survived bolt and swords, two of the best removal spells during that era.
@porgy29
@porgy29 Жыл бұрын
@@AAGEnzee Mostly yeah. First, a 3 mana 2/1 flier was a decent rate at the time, but it also had a really annoying version of sudo-hexproof/indestructible. Your opponent still had to spend the card on it, there was just a 50% chance that it would still survive so your opponent either had to just deal with it being around or be willing to possibly throw multiple cards away in order to deal with it and there are stories of people winning like 3 flips in a row with it. It even can get around things like Wrath of God. Its not so great against Stompy, which doesn't have any targeted removal, since it's not a great blocker.
@AAGEnzee
@AAGEnzee Жыл бұрын
@@porgy29 yea ok, it's slowly coming back to me. It's a hard to deal with threat for a control deck, it just looked really bad in this matchup, but stompy wasn't really a meta defining deck for very long. It popped up sometimes, but UWR control was viable for awhile iirc. So like..in a control mirror, or against things with lots of removal, it could close out a game.
@Makensha
@Makensha Жыл бұрын
This makes me want to build a collection of top tournament decks through the years to show how power levels changed
@ralr
@ralr Жыл бұрын
They made gold bordered versions of the world championship decks for a lot of years. Getting some of those are really fun, I have them from 1997 up to 2004 or something. Highly recommend
@ShakeItLittleTina
@ShakeItLittleTina Жыл бұрын
I’d honestly love that as a series on the channel too
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
We have been talking about the idea of a tournament series with all the pro tour winning decks forever. But it's such a huge time investment, we are afraid of starting and having to ditch it early because of the lack of views 😬
@edoardoteani3681
@edoardoteani3681 Жыл бұрын
​@@CardmarketMagic that's a neat idea tho!
@wyrdstoneforge
@wyrdstoneforge Жыл бұрын
Having started in '98, this really takes me back to the old days. 🤩
@eschee7733
@eschee7733 Жыл бұрын
I love Thoralfs reaction at 39:05 So much frustration about something he loves to play himself.....
@dopa9000
@dopa9000 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely felt nostalgia kick in, started 1996 and remember being absolutely amazed about stompy. I still think Standard was more fun than today, power creep of creatures is the bane of the game nowadays
@VibratingSky
@VibratingSky Жыл бұрын
Abeyance used to consider tapping a land for mana as an activation cost. This ment it was a white Timewalk in your opponents turn, they could untap, draw and attack but couldn't cast any spells. Amazing in mirror matchups.
@loungezinger
@loungezinger Жыл бұрын
I was wondering if this was during the short window where it was broken , Im guessing it was.
@VibratingSky
@VibratingSky Жыл бұрын
@@loungezinger it was broken. They were selling for over £10 each for a cantrip that did very little. Once it was errata, it became a sideboard card to prevent counterspells.
@janmelantu7490
@janmelantu7490 Жыл бұрын
Yes, more historic matchups please! I’d love to see a match with damage on the stack.
@JD-gk7eh
@JD-gk7eh Жыл бұрын
Wildfire Emissary was one of the Top 10 creatures in Magic in its day. It survived Lighting Bolt AND Swords to Plowshares, the only creature that could do that. That was a really big deal, especially at the 4-mana cost it had. Further, it could close out games because of the pump ability. That's just how slow Magic was.
@Leuber
@Leuber Жыл бұрын
So true, this is something you would not consider now obviously. But it was perhaps the best creature in Mirage, Frenetic Efreet and Maro being the competition.
@Jorg05111980
@Jorg05111980 10 ай бұрын
Ah, good point, thx!
@pidgeotroll
@pidgeotroll 7 ай бұрын
Autumn Willow and Deadly Insect would like to have a word with you. Blinking Spirit too.
@Vdchild-sy4ro
@Vdchild-sy4ro Жыл бұрын
at first cardmarket was just my go to site for singles, but now its also my favorite mtg channel, keep up the work guys I love this
@hermelin12
@hermelin12 Жыл бұрын
Very cool idea for a video. I am super interested in how Thoralf will deal with this matchup :D I really adore how the overlay that shows the players hand cards is using the old font. :) Attention to detail as always
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@HurricaneGregor
@HurricaneGregor Жыл бұрын
Agreed. But I was a bit disappointed that Toffel used new border lands. Tsk tsk tsk :P
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
@HurricaneGregor it's not thoralf's fault 😅 he actually brought all the cards himself and had old lands for each of the 4 decks we filmed from 1997, but we had a lot of filming that day and had someone from the office put together the cards for the decks. They somehow thought the new cards would be prettier 🤷‍♂️
@Hourglass36
@Hourglass36 Жыл бұрын
Frank while holding winter orb: I will allow you to use thawing glaciers twice per turn
@DackKija
@DackKija Жыл бұрын
What a great idea for a video! Definitely worth the repeat. Great content as always.
@johnkerber9578
@johnkerber9578 Жыл бұрын
I LOVE this! As someone who started playing in 95’ as a kid, I remember these decks, but not having the money to buy the more expensive cards. Seeing the dojo again was a nostalgic trip. It was so cool back in the day when you could go online for content instead of only being relegated to magazines like Scrye or inquest. I still looked forward to those magazines every month.
@malcolmhays2726
@malcolmhays2726 Жыл бұрын
I'm enjoying watching to seasoned pros play "classic" decks! They have a wealth of knowledge to share on the cards and how the game has evolved over time. Lots of fun!
@midwesternviking_ttv2986
@midwesternviking_ttv2986 Жыл бұрын
That green pump spell had me much more hyped than it should have lol
@AwkwardlyBrutal
@AwkwardlyBrutal Жыл бұрын
Honestly this has been my favorite episode. The last game was so good it could have been scripted. Play block constructed from certain eras of magic. (Kamigawa block constructed)
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
I wish we could play block constructed! I don't think we'd get many views on it though so it might not be worth all the time I spend making these 😅 if these were only a day or two to make, I'd be trying all sorts of stuff!
@jjay75
@jjay75 Жыл бұрын
This is an extremely good idea for almost unlimited future content
@PeterButchens
@PeterButchens Жыл бұрын
That was a super fun blast from the past. I didn't even know that there was a "green version" of force of will...now me and Thoralf definetely know 😂
@Varler_
@Varler_ Жыл бұрын
That was really fun! I started playing in 2004, so it's cool seeing decks and rules from even before I started. (And from such great and knowledgable players!)
@canlandernorddeutschland3533
@canlandernorddeutschland3533 Жыл бұрын
This Video had everything, enterntainment, education, nostalgia (even for people who didnt even play anywhere close that time period). Loved everything about it, keep stuff like this coming
@BenziTrain
@BenziTrain Жыл бұрын
Love this content. I started playing in '98 and this is how I remember magic. :)
@gnomebob
@gnomebob Жыл бұрын
Really cool to see some old school magic! Love Frank Karsten as a guest
@caleb7882
@caleb7882 Жыл бұрын
Wow! That was such cool back and forth gameplay! I wish they would make the game more like this, with all the creatures with wield downsides and the stax pieces and things.
@DeadlyGrim
@DeadlyGrim Жыл бұрын
I love the Magic history Carl's been doing and this is a great continuation of that! Seeing these cards used in the original context they were created and played in is not only a cool way of learning Magic history but also, I think, helps teach people how to evaluate what is actually a "strong card" in context. (It certainly helps me think about it in new ways!) More please! 😁
@nathanacheson8372
@nathanacheson8372 Жыл бұрын
Context is so critical when evaluating cards. Part of why it's so difficult, eh?
@FionaLovecraft
@FionaLovecraft Жыл бұрын
This was really fun to watch, the interaction between Frank and Tolrof was really cool to listen to them discuss (even small things like when the stack came in) i'd love to see more
@mladjo2505
@mladjo2505 Жыл бұрын
I just love the overlay and the way everything is laid out and clean, simple and easy to follow with all the relevant info being there all the time. BIG props to the editing team.
@silversungaming9451
@silversungaming9451 Жыл бұрын
Señor Stompie is my childhood, and I'm glad to see it win this match. My dad recently gave me his gold-bordered proxy deck I used when I first learned Magic. I don't play anymore, but I'm glad to have it for nostalgia reasons. One day i might pick up the other three decks from that series for the sake of playing them against each other.
@sniderealism2410
@sniderealism2410 11 ай бұрын
I love these videos that take a trip down history lane. I only know the basics of modern Magic, so seeing how magic was played in the past is really interesting, and I would love to watch a series of videos like this one, going back in time year by year with Magic.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic 11 ай бұрын
It's interesting that you say that because we are doing exactly that :) We have released three so far and we will be trying to do every year of magic with Frank Karsten
@TimmytheSorcerer
@TimmytheSorcerer Жыл бұрын
27:44 Before the internet Magic was actually a lot more fun. We got our info from the Duelist and Scry magazines. When a new set came out, we didn't no the cards, every booster was a surprise, it was such a cool time to play the game! Many combos and strategies developed in the store. The game was really in development and we as players were also discovering the possibilities.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
I yearn for those days so much 🥲 (MTG-wise, not internet-connection wise 😅)
@Jorg05111980
@Jorg05111980 10 ай бұрын
Yes, unless you bought a booster box for a horrible set like fallen empires, then your money spent wasn't so fun!!! ;-)
@alch3nemy394
@alch3nemy394 10 ай бұрын
I think one of the biggest mistakes made was removing restrictions from hyper efficient cards. Forcing players to work around those drawbacks made the game a lot more interesting.
@stonerainproductions
@stonerainproductions Жыл бұрын
I started in 94 and sleeves weren't a thing for the first few years, your opponents could make you unsleeve once they were available and Mirror Universe was one of the best decks because with the rules at the time, you could go to 0 in your upkeep and switch life before state based effects (pre-damage on the stack). Ernham-geddon and Erham and Burn 'em were two popular decks and so was white weenie. It was a very fun time to play and the game just felt so much different back then. I miss it honestly. Great video, and it was nice to see Frank! If you can get Bernard Lestre I'd be very impressed!!!
@Circular_Square
@Circular_Square Жыл бұрын
I sooooo want this to be a proper series; just mad old school competitive Magic.
@marxmeesterlijk
@marxmeesterlijk Жыл бұрын
this was great! what a throwback :). I remember seeing the goldbordered version of the green deck as a kid and having the same reaction that Frank talked about. As for future content, I know frank is known for doing a lot of statistical maths on magic. Would love to see a video (series) where he gives a masterclass on it.
@robertfranklin8522
@robertfranklin8522 11 ай бұрын
As someone who played Type 2 at the time these videos are such a blast to watch! I played both decks in tournaments. Great to see "newer" players discovering these cards and keep the content coming!
@silverwings9276
@silverwings9276 Жыл бұрын
Do more "decks back then", it's really fascinating to see them play out since most of us were not there at the time and the ones that were will definetively feel nostalgic.
@kerryhall
@kerryhall 7 ай бұрын
The "back in the day" Emrakul is probably Colossus of Sardia! Love this vid! More old school games please!
@ihatethewind
@ihatethewind Жыл бұрын
This was great, I love seeing the really old cards/formats, please do more of this!
@FirelinkBonfire
@FirelinkBonfire Жыл бұрын
I love Frank and Thoralf's nostalgic banter. Definitely one of my favorite vids on the channel!
@IzzetNilson
@IzzetNilson Жыл бұрын
I was too young in 97 to understand magic but this makes me think of the time i was introduced during 7th edition. These old school strats really make me wish i could have been part of the era. Would love to see other decks that played in this era
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
We are actually inviting Frank back in two weeks to film similar content and we are absolutely thrilled! 😃
@fabiogarzaro8272
@fabiogarzaro8272 Жыл бұрын
YEEEEEES, i love exploring strange old format, more of thisssssss
@melanieOh
@melanieOh Жыл бұрын
This gave me chills, it reminded me of when I first learned to play! Nicely done.
@Damnmeplease
@Damnmeplease Жыл бұрын
This video was great - great energy from both Thoralf and Karsten. I hope to see more "historic" content like this!
@Hot_Dog_Jones
@Hot_Dog_Jones Жыл бұрын
At first I was like "Oh shit, Frank Karsten!" but I'm extremely impressed with the quality of the production by 5:52, so shouts out this was supposed to be something to put in the background but this has captivate me to the extent that Magic the gathering has the potential to do! Definitely subscribing so I don't miss out on more dope stuff like this!!
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
We'll make sure not to disappoint you with the future videos :D
@HurricaneGregor
@HurricaneGregor Жыл бұрын
This was perfect. Would be great to see more of this type of content. Things like the classic matchups-- 1999: Brian Davis vs Bob, or 2000: Finkel vs Bob.
@thesolitaire8369
@thesolitaire8369 Жыл бұрын
2000 Tinker Artifact is one of two decks I never got rid of. Played it competitively back in 2000, and have not played it since, but it's still sleeved up nonetheless
@mrpandabites
@mrpandabites Жыл бұрын
My first deck was a mono green stompy deck that ran the rogue elephant / harvest wurm combo. I had almost all of the cards in that deck, except for the ghazban ogres and winter orbs - instead I ran fallow wurms and main decked the river boas. Decks were so much cheaper then. My deck was all commons and uncommon and still managed to be competitive.
@RobiousIllyrian
@RobiousIllyrian Жыл бұрын
Ok the old border on the little card names for the hand is a great touch, amazing job editor!
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😃 I'm happy someone noticed!
@Trainer_Teal
@Trainer_Teal Жыл бұрын
This and pauper play really remind me of the types of games we played when I was a kid. This kind of content is great, thank you!
@mikenahmias7102
@mikenahmias7102 9 ай бұрын
Very enjoyable. I started in 1996 and 1997 was when I really dove into the game playing at the local game store.
@lampwire
@lampwire 11 ай бұрын
Seeing these retrospectives with gameplay accompanied by guests that were there at the time are my favorite videos on this channel. Please get Frank back for moar!
@arnaupi81
@arnaupi81 Жыл бұрын
Wow! This video flashback me to when I started playing magic as a child! What a nostalgia! (and how beautiful the old cards and illustrations are
@antonsackley5514
@antonsackley5514 Жыл бұрын
You should play some premodern. It is quite an interesting and diverse format, and there are a number of classic decks as well as some unique brews
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
It's on our list of video ideas :)
@timogregorius7385
@timogregorius7385 Жыл бұрын
Very nice games. The Jeskai Control Deck was actually a deck i owned because of the gold border tournament decks. Please do that with more tournament top 8 decks
@slantize
@slantize 11 ай бұрын
Fun fact. Back in the day the black ihsans shade from homelands was commonly played because it was one of the few big bodies around at 5/5 with no downside. It had protection from white which made it immune to most white removal and could not be terrored or banished and could soak a lot of red damage. That made spectral bears naturally viable.
@asdfasdfas364
@asdfasdfas364 9 ай бұрын
These classic matchups are the best. Would love to see more.
@brendanmckee1846
@brendanmckee1846 Жыл бұрын
Loved seeing you folks play with old sets; 10 year old me was going wild to see those cards being played again! You should definitely do that again!
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
We will :)
@TheDehelle
@TheDehelle Жыл бұрын
Frank and Thoralf are rallye charming and entertaining to watch! Please invite him more often. Video idea: give some old decks like ProsBloom or Trix to the gen z guys
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
Only Jamin is GenZ 😅 I'm in my mid 30s, but old combo decks is already on my list for future videos :)
@stefanpaetrow6355
@stefanpaetrow6355 Жыл бұрын
oh yeah. please more of this! late 90's was the time i played with my friends kitchen table magic. 4th edition, mirage, visions, homelands, urzas block, tempest. and this game showed the power of artifacts back then. and why disenchant was a must have in every white deck (or at least side board). fun video 😄
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
We are actually inviting Frank Karsten back again to make a whole series like this :)
@Thariorn
@Thariorn Жыл бұрын
Very nice editing this episode with the sort of digital hand interface, showing us end of/start of turn effects etc.
@ThereIsAnExtension2UndoHandles
@ThereIsAnExtension2UndoHandles Жыл бұрын
I love Frank Karsten so much, what a joy he is, whenever he shows up.
@gakk8658
@gakk8658 4 ай бұрын
Man, MTG Dojo is such a massive nostalgia hit. I loved that site! I remember workshopping Gruul aggro MiViLight block decks through the site, IRC, and appr, that was cutting edge shit in the late 90s.
@el_pablodocus
@el_pablodocus Жыл бұрын
Karsten is a gem. Thanks for this content guys you're the best at showing paper pro stuff !
@ashshopsmart8347
@ashshopsmart8347 Жыл бұрын
This content was a blast! Great match, cool topic, excellent guest. Cheers!
@paulbbryan
@paulbbryan Жыл бұрын
oh man, when he brought up the dojo i felt a part of my brain near the back activate that had been shuttered for at least 20 years.
@atlas5116
@atlas5116 Жыл бұрын
Thanks guys, that was beyond awesome 😎
@bariltrailette
@bariltrailette Жыл бұрын
I love that this is a old player playing magic since before 2000 so cool thanks for that video and thanks they accept invitation.
@bariltrailette
@bariltrailette Жыл бұрын
I start magic 7 edition onslaught with goblin Sliver burn.
@Pistolsatsean
@Pistolsatsean Жыл бұрын
We need more channels that play paper comp magic, whether it is tournament matches or just friends playing. Watching paper magic is so much more enjoyable then watching digital gameplay
@zachstasch4688
@zachstasch4688 Жыл бұрын
This was absolutely right up my alley. I'd love to see more games from older times like this.
@martinweyrauch4257
@martinweyrauch4257 Жыл бұрын
Maybe make a series with Frank slowly working through his years in magic and the decks he played or was excited by! Would bbe a blast to watch!
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
We're actually inviting him over in a few weeks to shoot a very similar series :)
@TheKazzerscout
@TheKazzerscout Жыл бұрын
Great pairing of guests, love the channel.
@thesolitaire8369
@thesolitaire8369 Жыл бұрын
I played at the time, and as an oldschool player today, I really enjoyed watching this. To be honest, I could watch games like these all day. Combo Winter, Necro. So much stuff that defined Magic, and how game mechanics were invented and improved. Thank you for this content
@thesolitaire8369
@thesolitaire8369 Жыл бұрын
This video did make me buy the complete set of Ice Age by the way. Now I'm off to go and buy 4 packs of perfect fit sleeves ;)
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
That is a big purchase! :O It might make you happy to know that we will be inviting Frank back over to record a whole series with decks from the 90s soon :)
@thesolitaire8369
@thesolitaire8369 Жыл бұрын
@@CardmarketMagic no, the complete Alpha and Beta green stompy deck I bought last month was a big purchase. But Ice Age holds high in nostalgia because that is around the time I started playing Magic
@TheStrahl
@TheStrahl Жыл бұрын
It's cool to see all of these old cards i had when i started playing!
@liberforce4267
@liberforce4267 Жыл бұрын
I had to comment on this, because I really love this video format, Frank and Thoralf were great at delivering the feel of the decks. Back then, the resources (money, internet, coverage, general knowledge) about the game were really scarce, so thank you Cardmarket for these awesome hosts and shows, you all are doing an amazing job! I still felt a bit old when Thoralf thought you could use damage on the stack, ah ah. Seeing old decks I couldn't afford at that time (or know because I didn't buy the magazines) in action is awesome. I started playing in late 1995 with 4th edition, and Visions was the only set I ever managed to collect entirely... Until I sold my set around 2003. I only got access to Internet in march of 2000, at that point I was not playing anymore, as I found that the game was too much of a "pay to win". But even I knew that elephant/wurm combo, both cards are from the same set. That whole era is captured in a manga named "Destroy All Of Humanity: It can't be regenerated" for those interested. Anyway, thanks for the nostalgia shot, because I never got to play these decks. My son is 5 years old, and old school magic and premodern seem like a good way to start playing in a few years. I've almost completed in the last 2 years a playset of each card in Visions (mostly through cardmarket), because nostalgia striked back 🙂.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
We're happy to have been able to bring you that rush of nostalgia :) we'll be doing more content like this in the future and hope not to disappoint!
@Habizbah
@Habizbah Жыл бұрын
This is so cool. Thank you for the nostalgia hit for those who were there, and informing those who weren't
@zaneandevan
@zaneandevan Жыл бұрын
This is far and away my favorite MTG+ KZfaq channel.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
That's nice to hear :)
@GeckoThePoet
@GeckoThePoet 9 ай бұрын
I love this! Please do more! Frank is lovely!
@gabecohen-nv7nq
@gabecohen-nv7nq Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed seeing these old decks and would love to see more of them. It's very hard to imagine how the crappy green deck with 4 giant growths could beat a deck playing legacy cards, or how wildfire emissary was one of the best creatures, but this is a great way to show that.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
We'll definitely be doing more :)
@kennethrawson3005
@kennethrawson3005 Жыл бұрын
This was when Abeyance was Time Walk + draw a card. I traded a playset of Abeyance for a set of 5 (fairly heavily played) Moxes at US Nats that year. Also you could flip coins with Frenetic Efreet until you won a flip and it phased out, because... well, just because. Bad judge rulings were the way of the world during MTG's Wild West period.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
Was the ruling that you could simply respond to the flip after knowing its resolution? I love how in early magic, without easy access to the comprehensive rules, the cards worked differently depending on which city you were in 😅
@brunobaw657
@brunobaw657 Жыл бұрын
Im crying!! I played Lomoros Stompy as my first competitive deck back in 98 or so, similiar to this one, but with Rancor and Land Grant. Elvish Spirit Guide and Quirion Ranger are still my favourite cards ever.
@jeremysmith4620
@jeremysmith4620 Жыл бұрын
After 30 years I still have nightmares of Winter Orb and Stasis. So glad to see some of my favorite cards like Abeyance, Frenetic Efreet, and Thawing Glaciers. From the discussion on the Efreet in the video, at the time the ability was purely to dodge removal, or Swords to Plowshares/Lightning Bolt since they were 99% of 1 for 1 type removal at the time.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
Yes! Although the ability is not as broken as when it was abused, we can definitely see it being useful with spot removal :) glad we could give some action time to your favourite old cards
@GraemeGunn
@GraemeGunn Жыл бұрын
I really like how Thawing Glaciers looks- that purple border is nice
@highelectricaltemperature
@highelectricaltemperature Жыл бұрын
Great idea for a vid! My first exposure to magic was around 1997, it's great to travel back in time.
@aceish5924
@aceish5924 Жыл бұрын
I would love to watch a whole series of these type of matches! Could call it something like "Flashback"!
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
We are planning on filming a whole tournament with only worlds winning standard decks in April :)
@TaisxD
@TaisxD Жыл бұрын
What a treat! Toffel is always completely amazing but Karsten also adds so much knowledge and fun. I could watch hour upon hour of content with these two (mixed up with jamin and karl once in s while ofc). Also a fun idea for a matchup. Keep up the great work!
@stefanpedias4511
@stefanpedias4511 Жыл бұрын
This format is so much better than anything that's done out in the last 3 years. Game is so much slower and more reasonable
@oldmanmucsi527
@oldmanmucsi527 Жыл бұрын
This was a great video and love seeing Frank Karsten.
@aiden9472
@aiden9472 Жыл бұрын
This is the best content you guys have ever made!.. I love the player commentary within the gameplay. So cool.
@mylo_ren
@mylo_ren Жыл бұрын
This was awesome, please more of these! Content ideas: limited from old sets (like Innistrad Block Draft plus gameplay), Extended from the last legal rotation, Lorwyn Shadowmoor Block constructed
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic Жыл бұрын
You have NO IDEA HOW BADLY I would want to make videos about old draft formats! Unfortunately, all our limited content has done incredibly poorly. So we keep all of our drafting action to when we are not filming :) Thoralf himself is truly passionate for Chaos Draft
@chadjehebej2258
@chadjehebej2258 Жыл бұрын
@@CardmarketMagic Damn, thats sad, would love me some limited
@mylo_ren
@mylo_ren Жыл бұрын
What a bummer. I am gonna have to step up the lobbying then to get one those off-camera chaos drafts on the channel :P
@MrLucky5001
@MrLucky5001 Жыл бұрын
this was so much fun to watch. I almost can't believe how bad creatures used to be.
@Generic42
@Generic42 Жыл бұрын
34:40 it shows Toffel has Kjeldoran Outpost in his hand, it’s actually Thawing Glaciers though
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