@Andrew L Slow rolling means a very particular thing that does not apply here. It's concealing a guaranteed win for an unnecessary amount of time to make it seem like you don't have it, only to then show the win. It's usually done out of ignorance or disrespect and it's always an unnecessary waste of everyone's time. So in this case no slow rolling at all. Perhaps not even slow play. Just Anuraag's turns took ages even though he played at a reasonable pace. Still, definitely wouldn't have conceaded if I was Reid.

agl who cares if Reid had a favorable position in the 2nd game for a few turns, that’s how magic plays out. If it was truly favorable, Reid would have won. I would be on your side if Reid had an inevitable win in game two yet they went to time so he couldn’t beat him. But Reid lost game two fairly to someone playing relatively on pace, the turns only took a long time because he was casting 6 spells or more some turns. The judges or Reid himself would have said something if there was any slow play or bad sportsmanship going on.

Exactly. Atrocious sportsmanship.

I would have conceded in Anuraag's position. He took too much time cantripping.

@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 He won through the ultimate though, and he did not waste time, but dug for his win.

Idk how this guy has the balls to ask Reid to concede when he is the reason they both get screwed with a draw.

Anuraag played at a reasonable pace the entire match.

haahahha IKR?! omg I would have just been like no point in shuffling up and playing. Let's just discuss the draw or a concession.

Reid pile shuffled as well? lol

@@bbhs26 I think at that point Reid already knew that it was going to be a draw when there was like 1.5 mins left in the match.. Moreover, seeing his opponent ask for the time and then proceed to pile shuffle.. at that point you sort of tell yourself ok.... ..... I may as well pile shuffle as well and play it out??

That's why I like magic online. Matches are still 50 minutes but each player gets 25 and if you run out of time you lose.

With all the priority passes involved in this game I think anyone would have a hard time managing it.

they're both playing quite quickly

Remember it's only slow play if you take an unreasonable amount of time per action, not per turn. Since Anaag was resolving multiple spells per turn, it may have appeared he was playing slow but he was in fact not.

@LaBass666 He won the game against the lili emblem...

he was definitely eating up some time by unnecessarily writing down cards in his hand over and over again.

Game one what is this 9:36 wait for... and why brainstorm know your top two but then still look at them when casting preordain

To some degree REID maybe you should've given up on game 2 and move to 3

Brad Stroner that'd be because he likely boarded them out

Why would miracles have Forces in their deck post board against Grixis Control?

Matchfixing is never ok. I literally hope WotC will ban this practice. You are stealing another person top 8. You didn't win your game somebody else did.

@@Tupiaz it’s not matchfixing, there needs to be promise of some sort of gain to the conceding party for it to be matchfixing, and additionally needs to be pre-determined. If Reid thinks Anuraag should win, he’s allowed to say so. If Anuraag had demonstrated sufficiently that he was in a winning position, I believe Reid would’ve done so.

​@@peterkirk8510 The gain would be to get the favour back at a later time. This sort of matchfixing where you scooped somebody else in because you are either already in or because you can not get into top eight has in the past plagued sumo wrestling (the rules have to me knowledge now changed). The problem is conceding is legal (which for practical reason is logical).

@@Tupiaz I don’t know anyone who actually does this, and I know a lot of people that frequent top 8s of events. Also, that type of thing (the sumo thing you mentioned) has absolutely nothing to do with what was going on here I think, if you cannot get in, it is entirely up to you if you want them to win the game or not. Everyone will end up with some lucky break like that at some point. I think the truly annoying thing is IDs and intentional concessions to friends when you’re already locked. In the situation in the video, I think either player conceding would’ve been completely fine.

@@peterkirk8510 I has been seen several times it is not unheard of at all.

I mean i would have since a win gets him top 8 and gets me nothing and reid wouldnt get a pro point anyways with a draw

The guy slow played the second game so bad that ot was obvious he was trying to force Reid to concede to him. I think he should've conceded because either winning would've gotten them into top 8 but I respect Reid's decision not to concede.​@@ziegfeld4131

Baleful Strix.

But it was proven here and in a previous match that miracles can beat it, so why concede?

I was honestly frustrated with how slow his opponent played and surprised Reid didn't comment the pace to his opponent as he did in previous rounds.

I think it's because he had complained before, he didn't want to do it or be known to do it again. Worrying about his rep or other people's feelings cost him a place in the top 8, which is a shame.

Reid should have conceded. Anuraag absolutely did not SP but cantripped his way to victory. He had a better shot at 11-2-1 than Duke did, and honestly Duke was just salty about it. Duke basically drew him out of Top 8.

I thought he played at a reasonable pace until the Mentor hit play around 44:00. After that he played pretty slowly, especially with his end step stuff. Still, it was likely too late for either of them at that point. Reid can't realistically concede there since he can't really win in 6 minutes with sideboarding anyway.

It should never be ok to ask for fixing a match. If you didn't win you didn't win don't rob somebodies else top 8 by fixing a win.

@@Tupiaz matchfixing implies there was a pre-determined result. You can concede at any time, and your opponent is allowed to ask if you’d like to do so. As long as you’re not offering them something for it, who cares? If your opponent believes you should win the game, why is that an unacceptable result?

if you're only playing that, yes, but if you make a living (or close to that) out of mtg, then every propoint matters (used to I guess)

No one makes a living out of MTG play and there’s no such thing as a “Pro” MTG player.

doesn't work well with priority passing multiple times in a turn, the digital client can handle it but it would be extremely difficult in paper especially when you are often using both hands with holding your hand and playing cards/tapping lands, in chess you have a hand free to hit the clock as soon as you've made a play

Yeah I thought about it that night. You're right.

I think the solution is in the form as being flexible let's say: Player A is the turn player, once an opponent declares "response" or "I would like to think for a while" or "I'll respond to that" only then player A would need to press the clock. For instance if player B fetches player A should press the clock passing it up. Let's say player A has the clock ticking and he is trying to bolt a delver he doesn't need to press the clock all the time in like the first turns of a game but once players are in an extreme complex situation he would put lightning bolt in the stack and with the same hand he would press the clock that's a easy hand motion. In a hypothetical situation where you're playing against my untapped islands and you put a duress on the stack, once I say "sure" (relatively quick then proceed to show you my hand) you don't need to pass me the clock like you pass priority in between. I've been saying that for years that chess style clocks would benefit the game, at the very least it is worth trying for the sake of balance of the game and pace. I love the idea too much.

No he was intentionally playing slowly. You can play miracles at a quick pace but he knew he would lose.

miracles is a fine deck, its just this guy is a dickhead for purposely drawing out the game even when he knows he cannot win

@@voluntarism335 what do you mean by knows he cannot win? Because he did win with mentor

@@TheGingervit1s i don't need to explain it it you, you should know that he has no outs

@@voluntarism335 what do you mean he had no outs, are you trolling? He won the game with mentor, again, he had an out and that was winning with monastery mentor. Which he did. How does winning the game mean he doesn't have outs? I feel like you watched an entirely different game

He was outplayed in G2, plain and simple. The judges oversaw this. He cantripped his way to victory. People just kiss Duke’s ass and assume everyone else is just inferior or wrong. Good on Anuraag.

would have to click it every time you pass priority. can't work

1 in hand, correct?

2 in hand, correct?

3 in hand, correct?

Das asked for the concede because he was more likely to advance to top 8 with a win than Reid, still wouldve had the same amount of points as place 3-9 had, so might not have been enough either way.

You got the point of miracles. It controls the game and then plays monastery mentor or some other threat the close out the game. It is really dull and tedious. It was even more ridiculous when Sensei's Divining Top was legal.

He wasn’t trying to waste time, he was trying to find the mentor to win, which he did. If he could win sooner, I’m sure he would have. That way he would have a chance of winning the match

josh there was no reason for him to concede until the mentor resolved. But if you’ve watched Reid play ever. You know that he plays it out till there’s no way, or to hide Info on what’s he’s playing

@@alekbeaver4088 reid had no reason to believe he was going to win that game. magic theory holds it firmly... seeing 6-7 cards each turn is very likely going to outpower a liliana ultimate, which eventually happened. i think reid misjudged his chances. with 15 minutes left he may have asked anuraag to concede instantly and the after the obvious negative response he should have conceded himself. it was clearly in his interest to go to g3 rather than letting the game drag forever. anuraag had literally 0 reason to concede it, having lost the 1st.

it only seems selfish in this situation because reid has pro points on the line. Generally the guy with a chance at top 8 vs the x-3 who has a siginificantly smaller chance it makes sense, also its frustrating because the miracles guy was the one who made the match take so long.

Theres no harm in asking, especially with him having the better tie breaks of the two.

I agree. As a Miracles player, you should take responsibility for overtimes like these, especially to the face of someone who would have (unassumingly) done well in top 8.

Clearly isn't a "shit deck" if it won the tournament. You just don't like how it approaches the game. Which is fine, your opinion. But calling it a shit deck is laughable. It's been a legacy power house for years now and even persisted through a major card getting banned thats how strong and consistent a deck it is. It just has issues closing if you're slow with your decision making with it so it's a high skill cap deck.

@@braddorcas9363 I wasn't calling it a shit deck based on how the deck preformed win/loss wise. I was talking about it's play style and the stalling that the majority of pilots did. The card quality in the deck was amazing for legacy and it was a really strong deck.

@Nandino Poggermann He didn't. If you watch closely, he already had the scalding tarn in play from a previous turn. On the turn he fetched the island with it he had yet to make a land drop. So, on the turn he fetched the island, and then played the blood stained mire, only the blood stained mire was his land drop. You are allowed to fetch with a fetchland from a previous turn and play your land for turn on the same turn, as that is not gaining you any exta lands. Hope that answers your concern :)

If you pay close attention he had the mentor and the terminuses before taking 2 5-minute turns in which he cast several irrelevant cantrips. The reason people are upset with how the match played out is not because Anuraag “slow-played” or broke the rules as they are set out currently, but because he took advantage of a problem the rules have; knowing he was very unlikely to win a game 3 in the short amount of time remaining he decided to use the time on game 2 and hope that Reid would concede.

@@zacharylohner I appreciate your reply and understand that frustration. The thing is I know Anuraag and know that is not what he was doing. I think what happened was just unfortunate and that there is no need for people to insinuate things. Rather, I hope people would just accept the unfortunate circumstance and appreciate the great match we witnessed

KyleMmtg upon looking at it closer the card I thought was Mentor (drawn off of preordain at ~34:17 with 16:21 left in the round) may actually be a terminus, I’m unsure. He proceeds to hold that card at the left of his hand for the remainder of the game until he finally uses end step terminus + mentor to end the game. If it really was a terminus and he was actually digging for mentor then I don’t see much else he could have done to make the game go faster (other than playing faster, which I don’t think is unreasonable to ask). If it was indeed mentor, then he had the ability to end the game at least 10 minutes sooner, which is what I think most people are thinking about the situation.

Zachary Lohner I rewatched slowed down and it was a terminus

KyleMmtg I watched it several times at various speeds, also pausing a bunch, and I’m still not sure. I don’t think you can actually tell which it was with the available footage.

R V no, it's was nearly a draw. If anuraag took too long, Reid takes the match

Nick Ragazzo beyond easy to win from that position imo. I think he mistook what he wanted to happen with what was happening. He was just dead and there was a lot of time on the clock had he conceded with 11-12 min left

X-3 reid was never going to top 8 he was just playing for a pro point at that point the other guy would have made top 8 had reid conceded

@@ziegfeld4131 Reid was at 33 points with 36. He would have won with tie breaks.

More Duke ass kissers.

Not sure if this is serious

Seems like it sucks to suck

It's not control, it's just Miracles. The Miracles player stalled lots of time to ensure a game three before presenting a kill.

dude shut the fuck up, you fucking 1-4 FNM warrior, just learn to play against it

There is control, aggro and combo. If you deleted one third of Magic, it wouldn't be better.

@@DikkeRoman screw yourself man, you don't get to do anything against control, and conceding isn't an option either, because you don't know if you might have been able to stick enough threats in the future to overcome the opponent, so you are just forced to sit and do nothing for half an hour at least. Its shit, its boring, and its shit, magic would have been better off if control wasn't as strong as it is

@@cosmotect haha you are obviously so fucking bad at magic