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Geno is bound to have the Ridley effect where he is requested to no end and the second they are in the game, radio silence

I mean this in the best way, your channel reminds me of old KZfaq, like 2008-2014. Just a guy talking about random game trivia, or just some stuff he finds interesting without any sponsors and a billion ads (not that there's anything wrong with it, KZfaqrs gotta put food on the table too). It's very refreshing, I love it.

Here's what's funny: A leaker, who successfully predicted the release of both Hero and Steve, decided to share some insight as to why Smash Ultimate developers were not willing to bite on Geno. This is purely hearsay, but it generally seems to be the fact that the devs... didn't really know *why* people wanted Geno to be added into Smash. All they really got was that they wanted him in - they didn't want a new game featuring him, or even a remake - the general outcry just seemed to be to "put him in". Again, this is pure hearsay and could be nonsense, but I think it's interesting enough to contribute.

Real nice of Nintendo to announce a Super Mario RPG remake to commemorate the lives lost to Geno’s bombing of Japan.

I still remember that Grinch leak. Whoever pulled it off managed to fool the majority of /v/, and the disappointment afterwards was so immense that it very much killed any trust in future leaks

Okay, a couple of things… The unused music file in Brawl was more likely Toadwood Forest than the Forest Maze. They both have the same name in Japan and the file is by other Mario and Luigi songs. Also I feel the most insulting part of Geno in Smash is that the official Mii Nintendo uses for the Geno costume is hideous. I’ve seen so many better ones made by fans. Anyway, I’m just sitting here depressed about not getting Bandana Dee.

You should've talked about the Geno general on Smashboards. The meltdown over Sephiroth getting revealed made the mods lock the thread.

Even beyond Smash, there were *several* Square Enix x Mario crossovers in the Wii generation. Mario Hoops, Fortune Street, Mario Sports Mix. All of them used Square Enix characters, but not a hint of Geno, the character that naturally links Mario and Squenix. It was such a bummer.

Wanting Geno in smash is the most random thing I’ve ever seen people do. Ridley fans wanted more metroid representation. Waluigi fans just want the 4th plumber in the game, or are just memeing Geno fans want Geno in Smash because… because they just do.

that reference to strangle unlocked a long buried memory

Shoutout to the Geno bros on behalf of the Bandana Dee fans

I will never recover all of the hours I spent defending Geno in smash on /v/

7:39 Okay, clarification, the remix was not on the game's files, ONLY the track title, the remix was fan-made.

The funny thing about Ultimate is that while Geno was hanging around in people's minds, the thing I was fixated on was a picture posted of Sakurai talking with ZUN, the creator of Touhou Huge fan of the series, but I was just curious if Sakurai would pull the trigger and if so what kind of presentation he'd present for Reimu Hakurei and the music selection

Super Mario RPG Legend of the Seven Stars really pushed my brother and I to learn to read growing up. I absolutely love both Mallow and Geno. Thank you for this video :)

As a GenoBro who grew up playing Super Mario RPG, this is extremely accurate. Can't wait for the Geno Mii Costume to return alongside Black Mage or 2B in Smash 6...

I always understood the desire for Geno to be in Smash back in the Brawl days as fundamentally derived from a desire to see Square Enix representation in general. People REALLY wanted characters like Cloud or Sora, but the games for those characters weren't generally on Nintendo consoles at that point, and Square's relationship with Nintendo was pretty shaky at the time. With this in mind, people saw Geno as the perfect "in" for the company. Sure, plenty of people wanted Geno in Brawl due to a legitimate love for the character, but the greater scope desire was for Geno to act as a stepping stone for further Square representation in the series. Then Brawl came out, and people started to find evidence that Geno WAS planned to appear as a playable character. From this point on, the logistics for many people wanting Geno in Smash becomes akin to an ouroboros. Geno was ALMOST in Smash, so he just SHOULD BE in Smash. Naturally, there were still people who wanted Geno for Geno's sake, and people who wanted Geno to act as a stepping stone for further Square rep, but now you also have people who see what could have been desiring for that potential to simply Be, without further attachment to the character. Its almost like the opposite of Sakurai saying "Ridley is too big" back in the day making people think it was absolutely impossible for him to be a viable character. Because Sakurai said he DID want to put Geno in Brawl, that means he MUST become playable now. Then of course, we got Cloud in Smash 4's DLC, and then a ton of other Square Enix rep in Ultimate. The people who wanted Geno to lead to further rep don't have a core reason to want Geno anymore, they just GOT those characters.

This vid's thumbnail found its way to Twitter. twitter.com/Queen_Crimson31/status/1618494005993701377 People in the replies genuinely think this is a #Geno4Smash campaign video without having watched it. If you want me to be honest, there are dozens of other characters I would want in Smash before Geno. This is just a history video of what's happened in the past.

Just announced a Mario rpg remake, so little bit for the fans now at least

its going to be super interesting to see why sakurai didnt added geno when he covers the history of the smash bros games

He got something now 👀

Idk why he was ever in contention in the first place

I'm just glad Geno got anything at all, at least he was a Mii Costume and not a PNG- I mean Spirit. Also I'm glad that they didn't make Geno's full head the Headgear like for the Tails Mii Costume's Headgear.

Contrary to popular belief, Geno hype did not start in the Brawl days. He’s actually been a highly requested character since even before Melee came out. So really we Geno fans have been dealing with his exclusion and all of the bs that comes along with it for even longer than most people think.

As a fan of Super Mario RPG, it's nice to see some semblance of acknowledgement from Sakurai. I would prefer him being a full on character with Mallow as an Assist Trophy, but the fact that he has a Mii Costume is impressive in and of itself(even if I would prefer a deluxe costume akin to Cuphead and Sans). It may never happen, but I will stan this great entry in the Mario RPG series.

Forget Geno, I'll NEVER forgive Smashified for the Rayman hoax, worst Valentine's day of my life.

Now that SM RPG remake has been announced it makes me wonder if there was some sort of contractual obligation where they couldn't use Gino in any other games, so their workaround was "okay, we won't use the character, but we can make a costume of him instead."

Even though Geno couldn't make it in as a fighter i do wonder what could've been like if it would've been close enough to add him in as an assist trophy even though it's clearly not what the fans would have wanted

The Legend is so incredible, he would be too OP outside of Super Mario RPG. Nintendo fears the 9999 attack.

I like the Mii Costumes. It's fun to make characters (even if it's limited and they usually don't even let you change colors, and it would be better to have full masks than hats, but I digress). But it really irks me that Miis never show up when you do random select. That's my favorite way to play. All Random all the time.

You say not Waluigi in the description, but the situation is pretty similar. Waluigi has also been asked since Brawl, and has continually been denied in increasingly mocking ways. I think Geno is probably worse, though, because at least Waluigi is near-certain to make it into the next game due to how relevant he still is; whether or not Geno will *ever* appear is still very much up in the air. Fingers crossed

I really enjoy your channel, it covers so much different subjects. It's pretty refreshive.

Guess who’s coming back?

Super Mario RPG is one of my favorite games of all time. I've been hoping for Geno since I was a little kid in Melee. I remember how hard my heart sunk in with the mii costume in Wii U. It felt like a punch to the face. It was pretty nostalgic seeing the forums from Brawl's time. I was there on those forums talking about Geno as a 12 year old kid. Good times and good video. I hope Geno gets in someday. At least for now I have Brawl mods.

to be honest geno is not that important neither influential of a character, people just irrationally leached onto the character for some weird reason, hell Waluigi has MUCH more reasons to be in Smash.

I've gone through most of your videos today once I discovered you today, and I want to let you know your videos are gold. You might not have a million views and sometimes not even 100k, but that doesn't define the quality and the interesting topics you've chosen. Keep it up dude.

When I was only 7, I remember going online and discovering Super Mario RPG, along with Geno, Smash Bros Brawl, and how people wanted him. Even though I've never played either games until a few years later, seeing how cool he was through old game recordings made me want to see him in Smash and play Super Mario RPG someday. Over a decade later, I still sit here waiting for the day to come. Don't know why it has to be so far away, but I know that one day it will come in the way we want it to.

I really dont believe theres more than 1000 individuals who actually played Mario RPG + care about Smash + like Geno

Im so fucking confused about Geno why dose he have such a big cult of personality what did he do Mario RPG to be held in such high regard?

Hopefully the Mario RPG remake getting announced like 2 months ago has been enough compensation to make the Geno fans happy, sure its a remake of the game 1 for 1, but you can say he's in HD on Nintendo Switch... Better than nothing I suppose.

Bro imagine if in the next smash game Mallow gets in instead of Geno.😭 That would be the ultimate kick in the balls

Oh snap this was just uploaded. And here I was going through the rest of your catalog. Nice!

He didn't even get a good Mii costume, they just gave him the same one with a human head with dead-looking eyes twice 💀

I'm kinda floored at how much energy people put towards shitting on a character who allegedly isn't worth anything. For the record Ridley was my most requested and I stuck to my guns throughout Smash 4's lifespan. Nothing you say could hurt me more than 2014 did.

I've always thought that paper Mario would be a super cool character to add, but alas

I got a theory of the real reason why Geno didn't add in Smash Bros, beside of licence issues by both Nintendo and Square. There have been lately ongoing theme towards the Mario community, there is a term known as "Mario Mandates". The idea is before late 2000s, Nintendo allowed to create original characters with a depth and lore into Mario's universe. Some are in the same species such as toads or koopas are completely modified to fit their personally/characters, or completely brand new. to This reply a lot for more sign-off titles, especially RPGs or Sports. Allowing the some developers from Intelligent Systems, AlphaDream or even Sqaure Enix, to add more depth and storytelling elements in these games. However, around late 2000s, Nintendo EAD including Miyamoto feelings the Mario brand is taking "too far" with lore and emphasis on storytelling into games, from first Galaxy and Super Mario Paper in 2007. Likely doesn't want Mario to end like Sonic with 06 back then. This cause a somewhat reboot happened with New Super Mario Bros Wii in 2009. Where Nintendo refurbished entirely of the Mario's universe, to fitted with corporate-feel or same tone to Mickey Mouse. This is why latest Paper Mario games lacked of charm unlike previous titles in 2000s. I think that characters like Geno or Mallow doesn't fitted as the Mario series, form Miyamoto's perspective. Causing the mandates upon many developments and studios to allow or don't not to do with the series, including Sakurai. After all, Nintendo owns both Mario and Smash Bros.

Geno is cool but the fans behind him are annoying af. I remember being happy when Xenoblade got another rep, only to see Twitter bombarded with Geno fans bashing the inclusion because the franchise is more niche, despite Geno only ever appearing in 1 game (and a cameo that was removed). People can have their wish lists of course, but Geno fans gotta realize he's not that impactful of a character.

It’s a sad thought, that so much time has passed, that even if Geno got his moment to shine, there are definitely plenty of people who have died before they got to see it

Oh hey! I can see 2 pieces of my fanart at 4:03! Thanks so much for the inclusion! XD

for some reason this is really fascinating to me like i dont think i wouldve ever even known geno existed if there wasnt this extremely passionate group of people that wanted him to be in smash

Here’s the thing, why would square ever allow geno to be put in when they could easily ask for another, more popular character be put in. Remember smash is a great advertisement for series, so square would naturally push for some character from a best selling game to be included

I'm personally glad that they added Fireemblem Swordman and not Scrimblo Bimblo. This is a game for grown-ups, thank you.

This whole Geno stuff is the literal definition of Insanity for Smash Fans.

I miss this era of life so much. Thank you for always having a way to bring back memories from the early-late 2000s

I love your videos keep up the amazing work ❤

What a great summary of events! Nice video. :)

the only hope for Geno fans at this point is a mario spin-off game with Geno as the main focus or protagonist, which has the same chance of happening as Geno being an official roster member in any smash game unfortunately

Really enjoying your channel Mush. I hope you get bigger!

Please never stop making videos. I love you, no homo

But not again.... This is The TIME

Who knows when they'll do another Smash Bros but we all know the roster size will never match Ultimates, that's why I want them to pull it back and refine the gameplay of the older fighters and bring their movements closer to the design philosophy of newer characters where moves are actually based on stuff from their games. Ganondorf is a big example of a character who could do with being reworked but most of the 64 and Melee cast could do with adjustments. Maybe they could also have an option to switch their movesets to "classic mode"?

I was “Rewarded” with a lifetime ban from SmashBoards for telling a forum that Geno will NEVER be officially added to Smash Ultimate. When Sora released and its continuance was officially ended, I attempted to appeal my ban, on the grounds that I wasn’t wrong about what I said. I was told “we will never recognise your opinion in any official capacity, the ban will be held indefinitely” Talk about savage. Lmao

Almost algorithm’ed. Imma need to take a nap between comments because you have so many great videos 😂❤❤❤

This video was great. Thank you, and I'll never lose hope. If Ice Climbers could get in, Geno certainly can.

Sometime during the summer of 2023, Nintendo announced a remake of Super Mario RPG. That means Geno is going to enter the minds of many new players, who are going to experience a legendary game with a new coat of paint. Maybe, just maybe, that means Geno might have a (slightly) brighter future ahead of him!

Bro I love your content. I saw your Video Game Urban Legend video and has been watching since.

I love your enthusiasm, it really brightens my mood

On the one hand, I do feel a little bad for Geno fans for not ever getting the chance to see their favorite character be a fighter (I speak as a Waluigi fan after all, I know that feeling). But at the same time, I also find it kinda hard to sympathize with all of them considering how unbelievably OBNOXIOUS some of them can get. I remember the day that Geno was announced as a Mii costume in Ultimate, I commented that I saw it as an absolute win, in that he at least wasn't forgotten. Yeah, turns out, by saying that, it's like I committed a crime against humanity, because next thing I knew, there were a buncha jerks screaming and ranting at me about how Geno should've been a fighter and all that pizzazz (with one of them *even calling me an R-word).* I know not all Geno fans are even remotely like this, but you know the saying, "a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch"...

Geno will get his time someday…

That "brawl easter egg geno" video was from the era of KZfaq where you could only use profile pictures from videos you've uploaded

I am at the beginning of what I hope is a binge of videos, I wanted to watch this channel's stuff but forgot the title. God Bless KZfaq recommendations.

As I'm watching this episode, I'm having flashbacks of waiting for Megaman (X or original) to be announced for Marvel vs Capcom 3 (both versions).

I genuinely thought he was a reoccurring side character from Fire Emblem or something like that, not a 1x from a Mario game--

I’m sure that with the release of the Super Mario RPG Remake, there could be a chance that Geno finally gets his time to shine I feel bad for people who really wanted him

Things have changed 😮

Similarly to Ridley, even if Geno did eventually get into Smash as a full character, they'd just lose all the interest people had up until that point and people'd move onto the next character, cuz the discourse about Ridley has dropped so much ever since he became playable. So Geno gets their 15 minutes of fame and that's it

Jesus christ this thumbnail has single-handedly converted me into an anti-Geno fan.

G8 vid mane keep up the good work

he is back

No Smash debut? An RPG remake will make up for it

You know, he may not be in smash, but atleast PMEX exists.

"Since 2008..." I remember being on GameFAQs after Melee (that's 2001 for you whippersnappers) and people were saying en masses they wanted Geno for the next Smash Bros then.

I will never understand why some consider Mii costumes a slap on the face. Do they seriously think that if those costumes were not in, then those characters would have a guaranteed spot in the roster? Is better something that nothing, but to some anything less than everything is insulting.

Geno being shafted kinda sucks, but I think what crushed me more in retrospect was the lack of Crash or Spyro attention. During that October Direct, I was hoping that would be the perfect time to reveal the bandicoot and/or dragon since Crash 4 going to be released around the same day. While Minecraft Steve caught me by surprise and I had a hearty chuckle, A part of me kinda died inside and thought we missed the mother load of a golden opportunity. PS. Crash or Spyro would probably be way less obnoxious to fight online than Steve if you think about their potential movesets.

Now the question remains: who will be added to Smash first? Geno or Waluigi?

Ahhh memories. I wonder if Final Fantasy finally getting rep in Smash led to development of the upcoming Mario RPG remake. So rather than Geno being a stepping stone for FF in Smash, Smash was the stepping stone to the game he's featured in getting a remake.

It is disappointing that he couldn’t get the sans or cup head mii costume… Sad days for the geno crew, love the video!

If you're looking for a game that has a character reminiscent of Geno, I highly recommend Everhood.

I hope that the fans manage to preserve the dlcs for all the smash games.

Costumes produce the sodium chloride Distant cries call for a doll still denied Take this loss, though the tears may cloud your sight Geno isn't included in this ultimate fight

You spoke a truth from my soul when you asked "What crazy hair style with Kirby have from this character"

Super Mario RPG is my favorite game of all time so I REALLY want Geno to be playable and have for a while. But honestly I'd be happy with ANY Mario RPG character, I'd shut up about Geno if they just put in Paper Mario but, sadly, no. I do think the Mii Costume was actually pretty exciting in Smash 4 though. A little disappointing it wasn't made prettier or given a bonus music track in ultimate but still! It's better than nothing I guess Also HEY RESPECT MALLOW! He's gonna be in Smash Bros. after Geno am I right Mallowbros? Guys? anyone?

Honestly Geno would be a bad choice. It wouldn’t advertise any games, only a few thousand people would care, and the excitement would dissipate quickly. The real most shafted character is Waluigi, obviously.

Ppl needed to get at Square Enix instead of Nintendo in regards to Geno.

Geno never ever

Looks like that might just change.

The real snub here is that you went this entire video without mentioning Waluigi

I will always think the original super smash bros intro went the hardest.

@magicMush dude we got a date and a trailer for a mario rpg remake just a week ago, i guess thats cool