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Magnatone Twilighter Stereo | Amp Overview and a Mythical(?) Fault

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Psionic Audio

Psionic Audio

Жыл бұрын

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@Bat21bravo
@Bat21bravo Жыл бұрын
My friend Obeid Khan is MAGNATONE Lead Design Engineer. My old local tech Chris Villani is MAGNATONE Production Manager. Both these guys worked for SLM / Crate / Ampeg back in the day. MAGNATONE owner Ted Kornblum used to own above mentioned companies. Its a St. Louis thing. Personally for $4500 id rather a 60's or 70's JMP Marshall. Obeid is a bonafide genius and hellava guitar player.
@testinguk_Admin
@testinguk_Admin Жыл бұрын
Ha! Wow. I owned a Reason amplifier about 15 years ago that he designed. It sounded fantastic. Sold it to a band mate and wish I still had it!
@Burgschall
@Burgschall Жыл бұрын
Everytime I see and hear one these Magnatones I am baffled by the quality of the build and the sound. The "new" Magnatone did real great with the old Magnatone Heritage and even improved the reputation. Nice to see one of these beauties here...
@peterdadswell7998
@peterdadswell7998 5 ай бұрын
Ive been thinking about getting one of these as my amp to see me out. Great to hear your comments on this one Lyle. Your a hard taskmaster but fair and you dont mind calling out crap but you always pay credit where its due. Love the vids and the educarion you impart on us.
@phillipalcorn9104
@phillipalcorn9104 Жыл бұрын
Great to get to get a peek inside a new amp and good to know Magnatone is building their amps well. I hope you find a way to dig into more new amps. Build quality, proper design, and execution needs to become a more important part of presenting and selling an amp. Keep their feet to the fire, Lyle!
@WesterlySunn
@WesterlySunn 12 сағат бұрын
Not that I could afford a 4k amp, but glad hear their well constructed as they sound pretty sweet online... never confronted one in the wild...
@tjminasi1442
@tjminasi1442 Жыл бұрын
Liked this video very much, and enjoyed the seemingly fair opinion of build quality and why it is liked for what it is, and where it is in the market (value).
@wesleymorris1
@wesleymorris1 Жыл бұрын
That's a beautiful modern build right there, I prefer turret, just easier to work on, but they definitely did a good job on that. I don't like the preamps on the board, but it probably saves room. One time I got a box of faulty fuses, they just kept blowing, I tested everything I could think of, everything was kosher, it ended up being bad fuses, I hooked them up with alligator clips, I could literally watch them blow. Very strange.
@weschilton
@weschilton Жыл бұрын
Oh this is great! I have been really intrigued by these amps, so its great to see one on your bench to get your thoughts!
@dangitdan9938
@dangitdan9938 Жыл бұрын
I really like Magnatone amps. Esthetically and tone. Still waiting till I can afford one.
@Dr.Fraunkensteen
@Dr.Fraunkensteen Жыл бұрын
I had the same amp with the same problem come in about a year or two ago. This one was also brand new. Sorta drove me crazy because of the intermittent nature of when the mains fuse would decide to blow. I initially changed the fuse, played through (awesome sounding) and after doing the routine checkup, returned the amp to the customer. Fast forward a day or two and I got the call... still blowing fuses intermittently. This time I met my client at a local music store and brought a few tools and a handful of fuses. Put in a new fuse and when I came out of standby, "pop" it went. Tried another, the same result. That's when my friend Lynn (anyone remember the Boogie Body?) said, "hey jeff, what's that flash coming from the back?" Yup, you guessed it, flash over inside the rectifier. Took the amp back to the lab, tested with a couple different brand tubes, and a half a box of fuses later, I determined it was not the rectifier. So, I installed some suppression diodes at the socket, a new rectifier (original tested fine but, I have trust issues....;) and returned her to the customer at no charge. She's still running strong today. A super well built amp that sounds incredible.
@PsionicAudio
@PsionicAudio Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Another tech friend had blowing fuses in this model due to a bad OT. So far I cannot get this to fail.
@Dr.Fraunkensteen
@Dr.Fraunkensteen Жыл бұрын
@@PsionicAudio Bad OT? interesting. Now that I've thought on it a bit more, I believe this model had just came out. My client loves to buy the newest and the best as nothing seems beyond his budget. Perhaps a bit of teething pain with a new design?
@adamkrauss303
@adamkrauss303 7 ай бұрын
I don’t understand why the customer didn’t just return it to the manufacturer/place of purchase, or were you doing a warranty repair?
@matthewf1979
@matthewf1979 Жыл бұрын
It looks good to me! The varistor project was years long, if I recall. Definitely look like WGS speakers to me. They probably are a custom build but close the the G12 family. I’d be looking at a Two Rock or Amplified Nation in that price range, but these are special.
@yorktown7395
@yorktown7395 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant always. Thank you.
@IamMusicNerd
@IamMusicNerd Жыл бұрын
Magnatones are just fantastic. Some of the best sounding clean tone amps I have heard in years.
@matthewf1979
@matthewf1979 Жыл бұрын
The late 50’s/ Early 60’s 280 model is one of THE best amps ever made for cleans. Absolutely killer overdrive too.
@endoalley680
@endoalley680 Жыл бұрын
I have a mid 1950s Magnatone Lyric 115 which also has great clean tones.
@jasoneugenides5770
@jasoneugenides5770 Ай бұрын
I had a Twilighter that was blowing fuses and it turned out that the power switch (or maybe the standby I can't remember) had a intermittent short to the chassis. I remember simply bending a lug a touch and the problem went away. I ended up selling the amp because I fely it was too loud and bass heavy for my home use but my impression was it would have been a great gigging amp, but maybe the wrong tool for recording and playing at a home. In retrospect I believe the Panoramic would have been a better choice for my purposes. The stereo vibrato was nice but I have a few vintage Magnatones that do that just as well.
@clintkilmore3685
@clintkilmore3685 Жыл бұрын
I have one. I like it quite a bit. It takes OD/Fuzz pedals very, very well and the Pitch Vibrato in Stereo is really nice. It also pretty darn loud but still sounds excellent at low volumes. If you turn the Volume up to 9 oclock, it breaks up and grinds great too, though it is real loud at that point. It is based on the Fender Deluxe Reverb circuit and the designer for this model is Obeid Khan I believe for both of those points. Mine has had intermittent issues. I’m very interested to see what you find is going on if anything with this one, Lyle.
@jerryking2418
@jerryking2418 Жыл бұрын
Very informative review. Anxious to hear it play.
@SunTzuBean
@SunTzuBean Жыл бұрын
This amp looks great! I had a similar issue with one of my 1971 Bassman amps that I've heavily modded. I found an unmarked fuse in the amp. I replaced it with a proper 2 amp slo blow. Come to find out, the ones that I just bought are also marked the same exact way as the fuse that I found in the amp. Anyway, I test it at full volume for a while and the volume dips. I check the fuse and it had blown. I investigated, tested again, and STILL didn't find anything wrong with the amp. I figured the fuse was bad. I still haven't had any issues.
@barkeater9606
@barkeater9606 Жыл бұрын
I bought the Super 15 about 4 years ago and it’s a great amp. It is extremely loud for a 15 watt amp. A friend of mine really liked it and has borrowed it a few times for gigs. I priced one yesterday for him and they have gone up $600 in just 4 years! I don’t think it is worth the money now. I will try to find him a used one. 👍
@alexwoolridge94aw
@alexwoolridge94aw Жыл бұрын
They are great amps but yea they keep goin up. I paid $800 for my Super 15 head 2 years ago. The previous owner took out the light bulbs and lost the screws. Guess that scared away buyers. I had the lights fixed in 5 minutes
@alexwoolridge94aw
@alexwoolridge94aw Жыл бұрын
That is one crazy looking amp. Tubes for days but they definitely sound amazing. I own a Magnatone Super 15 and a Varsity Reverb. I owe you for getting me down this Magnatone rabbit hole. Cool vids man
@montysofflet317
@montysofflet317 Жыл бұрын
how is the varsity reverb for home use? thanks
@alexwoolridge94aw
@alexwoolridge94aw Жыл бұрын
@Monty Sofflet it's amazing for home use. Usable from 0-10. It definitely gets loud but not overwhelmingly so. Takes pedals really well and is awesome during live gigs. Only thing that sucks is that it doesn't have the vibrato circuit. Next on my list is a Twilighter to scratch that itch.
@montysofflet317
@montysofflet317 Жыл бұрын
@@alexwoolridge94aw Thanks for that! I own a Magnatone Starlite 1x8 and it's the best clean I've ever used. I've used the Tone King Gremlin, Dr Z Jetta, Milkman amps etc but this is just unreal. Has this elastic quality to the notes. It's just perfect. I bought it to use it as a head but the 1x8 actually sounds so amazing I'm beyond impressed
@alexwoolridge94aw
@alexwoolridge94aw Жыл бұрын
@Monty Sofflet I've been eying the Starlite myself and your description makes me want one even more lol. My plans were to use it with a Magnatone extension cabinet
@alexholdenii4946
@alexholdenii4946 Ай бұрын
I just got a Magnatone baby M80 combo and love it.
@tobiasryan8378
@tobiasryan8378 Жыл бұрын
We missed you Lyle, glad you're back :)
@sgt.grinch3299
@sgt.grinch3299 Жыл бұрын
I will keep this amp in mind for the future. Thank you.
@psymetal
@psymetal Жыл бұрын
I had a vintage ss magnatone about 15y ago that sounded awesome. Had a great reverb as well. It was well made
@TheMoodyLoners
@TheMoodyLoners Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to your run through on this one. In the early 90’s I got to play around with a friends’s vintage model 280 Magnatone and I was totally enthralled with the stereophonic vibrato effect it had and wondered why no one else ever attempted to add that circuit to other amps.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
I have a 480, which adds lush reverb to what the 280 does. (Capacitor-driven reverb tank, similar to how it's done in vintage Ampegs; not transformer-driven like Fender amps, and the reverb tank impedances are very different).
@TheMoodyLoners
@TheMoodyLoners Жыл бұрын
@@goodun2974 Excellent! Have you had to modify it at all from its original state? Early Magnatones used some now obsolete tubes and components.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
@@TheMoodyLoners , It badly needs recapping. I have the 6973's (6CZ5 is the substitute with a slight rewiring), 12DW7's etc. It'll be a major job and I've been putting it off. Right now, I have an injured foot and can't lift anything bigger than a Champ!
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
@@TheMoodyLoners , I have refurbished a few Magnetones for others. An acquaintance had a Giuletti amplifier that was almost exactly the same as the Magnetone 213. I also refurbished a 210, or 212? that didn't have Magnatone vibrato but it kicked ever-lovin' ass, and was unusually loud for a small combo.
@TheMoodyLoners
@TheMoodyLoners Жыл бұрын
@@goodun2974 A little amp with the pitch shift vibrato would be awesome to own. The only Magnatone I ever owned was a late 50's Varsity - basically a Champ copy.
@zachsmith3376
@zachsmith3376 Жыл бұрын
The great slide/songwriter Jason Isbell plays through one of these. Aside; he attended Memphis University.
@watkinscopicat
@watkinscopicat 10 ай бұрын
these just look so damn cool
@donciseau
@donciseau Жыл бұрын
Very educational video!
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
It seems silly to put a second fuse on the underside chassis behind the ventilated panel, where you can't get at it without pulling the panel or perhaps the entire chassis out; perhaps Magnatone was trying to keep the look of the original amp and not put a second fuse holder on the control panel. I disagree with that design philosophy. PS, vintage Magnatone amps don't have "harmonic tremolo", they have patented pitch-shifting vibrato; and although the original copper-oxide varistors (supposedly custom-made for Magnatone) are pretty much impossible to find nowadays, luckily they almost never fail. Vibroworld ---- run by Robert Cray's road tech, a guy named Zak ---- had, or perhaps still has, a stash of them, but stopped selling them when his stock started running low; and I don't know if the company is even still around. Note that Magnetone once built private-label amplifiers for music stores and other instrument companies, especially accordion companies !!!, and several other companies licensed the patented vibrato circuit. Some of the Magnatone-built amps to look for include Panaramic, LoDuca, Giuletti, and possibly Flot-A-Tone; and there's also Audio Guild, who apparently built their own amps under license to Magnatone, with the same vibrato circuit. There's a "Universal" amp that might also have Maggie vibrato.
@sundogaudio851
@sundogaudio851 Жыл бұрын
Great vid thanks! Ive been curious about the quality of the new builds as i nurse my inherited 1960 280a back into health.
@waldodontliveherenomo2488
@waldodontliveherenomo2488 Жыл бұрын
used some vintage stereo Magnatone amp in a studio setting. exquisite trem. I would never take it on the road tho
@LysanderLH
@LysanderLH 3 күн бұрын
Why do you think Magnatone don’t include a master volume in this amp? Beautiful but unusably loud in for some places. eg home
@russellesimonetta9071
@russellesimonetta9071 Жыл бұрын
Cool amp but did you say over four grand???? That amp with 6v6,s would be, what , fourth watts or so?
@strange-o7916
@strange-o7916 6 ай бұрын
Have you worked on a Starlite yet? I'm considering buying one and was wondering if it is just as well made.
@jeffmansfield914
@jeffmansfield914 Жыл бұрын
Woo!
@thomkopal1740
@thomkopal1740 7 ай бұрын
Vibrato = frequency modulation Tremolo = amplitude modulation
@PsionicAudio
@PsionicAudio 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, talk to Leo.
@thomkopal1740
@thomkopal1740 7 ай бұрын
@@PsionicAudioSorry - I thought the topic was focus was on the Magnatone Twilighter
@sleepingatsea3420
@sleepingatsea3420 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I just actually bought the mono Twilighter 1x12 , it sounds fantastic! I did have a question for you as I am getting some mixed responses from other users. I am finding the amp has quite a lot of operating hiss. Just turned off with volume, reverb and viibrato all turned to 0, it provides quite a high amount of hiss...nothing plugged in. Compared to 2 other amps I have probably about 2 times as much. Once you turn it up and the reverb up this increases. Did you find this the same with the Stereo model? Magnatone customer service said it is normal due to the varistors however some users are saying theirs are dead quiet. Thanks!
@PsionicAudio
@PsionicAudio Жыл бұрын
Got a mono one coming soon.
@BradsGuitarGarage
@BradsGuitarGarage Жыл бұрын
Know how you feel, mate. No videos from me for all of Feb, I reckon.
@weschilton
@weschilton Жыл бұрын
Do what you have to do, Brad!
@BenState
@BenState 10 ай бұрын
finally an amp with logic ICs in sockets. great amp, but whoa, $8K AUD. Bloody expensive. But I get why. PS, im confued, you can still buy varistors, are these ones special in some way Lyle?
@PsionicAudio
@PsionicAudio 10 ай бұрын
Google awaits. $60/pair.
@BenState
@BenState 10 ай бұрын
@@PsionicAudio yeah, pretty exclusive pricing. I think if i had this amp I would buy a set and keep them safe somewhere for future security of supply.
@toddanderson7942
@toddanderson7942 Жыл бұрын
Could you please share how to schedule amp repairs with your shop?
@Tibbon
@Tibbon Жыл бұрын
Have you done any work on vintage Magnatones? I haven't yet opened my M15 Custom
@scottjua
@scottjua Жыл бұрын
I have this amp and it was blowing fuses too. Turned out to be a bad REctifier tube.
@oldguy5381
@oldguy5381 Жыл бұрын
Who déjà vu cool
@Satchmoeddie
@Satchmoeddie Жыл бұрын
6V6s? My Twilighter has 6973s in it. It's also the original Magna version from the 1960s. The Twilighter was an accordion amp.
@Satchmoeddie
@Satchmoeddie Жыл бұрын
There are a few tricks to make an array of MO VDRs and resistors work like SiC VDRs.
@davidhelfrich5657
@davidhelfrich5657 Жыл бұрын
mines the 2022 modern version. which this one is. your vintage one must sound incredible as grandfather of mine ;)
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
@@Satchmoeddie , the varistors used in vintage Magnatones were copper oxide, not silicon. Likely not easy to make nowadays and so the modern Maggies probably use silicone-based varistors. I wonder where Magnatone is getting them made and if they're available to the general public. The original patent to Don Bonham is probably expired by now!
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
Seth, you probably know this but 6CZ5 is the sub for 6973's, usually with just a jumper wire added to the sockets. I don't see how 6V6's would sound anything like a 6973-based amp, since the 6973 was designed as a low distortion, high-linearity hifi tube ( also used for jukeboxes, and some Valco amps). Somebody else commenting here says that these modern Maggies were designed more like a Deluxe Reverb. By the way, vintage 6973's were built both in a short bottle version and a tall bottle version with longer plate structure. The taller version can probably handle more wattage. I've also seen a lot of original 6973's that are a bit gassy or have some interelement leakage.
@davidisenberg125
@davidisenberg125 Жыл бұрын
hate to be the village idiot here but how much did that thing weigh ????
@weschilton
@weschilton Жыл бұрын
56 lbs Two pounds less than my AC15C1!
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Жыл бұрын
It's a perfectly valid question! After all, how many young whippersnappers under 30 are gonna buy these? Usually it's people who are at least 50 and have bad backs.....
@lennybrowntooth5009
@lennybrowntooth5009 Жыл бұрын
@@goodun2974 And bigger bank accounts 😂
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