To me it's impressive that you can compare ar15 to ar10 performance with the grendel

It's all in the build! Took my Grendel with a 24" barrel out to 1,200 yards on a 18" plate.

6.5 Grendel makes a great deer cartridge as well.

Yours is by far the most informative 6.5 Grendel presentation I’ve seen

Great to see you do a video on the Grendel John. It's a very easy cartridge to shoot, load for, find affordable ammo for, quality components for, and tons of bullet selection. I never thought this would happen, but I found myself shooting my .260 Rem much less and Grendel more and more. Factory ammo and that it fits in the AR15 are the biggest factors, in addition to ease of high hit probability with minimal effort. I'm losing track of how many of them I have now, with no real plans for ever building a .223 Rem/5.56 AR again, and I like 5.56 a lot.

If you start to reload for it, look into the 6.5 Grendel reloading handbook sold by Alexander Arms, its a great reference with a lot of really detailed info.

Love my 6.5 Grendel 20" SS barrel, it's nice to have that kind of ballistic and the low recoil , i love that i can switch my upper and have a different shorter rifle for plinking or tactical use .. the Grendel is not the cheapest round to run for plinking so switching to a 9mm or 233/5.56 upper/BCG takes care of that .. can't do that with the AR10 platform

I just finished a 6.5 Grendel build. Going to be used primarily for hunting (I'm in Virginia and most places I go don't have more than a 100 yard shot, usually less. Looking forward to trying it out.

I'm building a MK12 in 6.5 Grendel and this vid was more informative than many of the other 6.5 Grendel vids I've seen.

Welcome to the party! I've had some issues with an AR-Stoner mag. Hope yours work better. The Alexander Arms mags have better fit and finish, and have performed better for me. I look forward to your results! -2841 Tactical

Great breakdown. Can't wait for the accuracy results.

you're running a Fallout shirt with Vault Boy on it. Not only is that tactically sound it also gives you +3 charisma!

Been waiting for this video for a while

I changed from a 223 to a 22" barrel 6.5 Grendle in an upper that was just laying around. I cleaned and polished the inner barrel before mounting. This rifle is awesome.

6.5 Grendels are perfect for knocking steel out to 750 yards.

they hit hard at 1000yrds been watching video's on the Grendel and I reconsidering my project half way through. 308 is to heavy to slog around a 15lbs of ammo and a 12 lb AK and Grendel is power in a small light package

I have been reading up on 6.5 Grendel the last little while. I think, in addition to a match rifle, (ignoring cost and logistics) it would be a good alternative for a 5-800 yard rifle (DMR, more or less) as it is arguably easier to put rounds on target quickly at both ends of that spectrum when compared to .308.

Right on the $$. My 18yo daughter didn't like her .308 hunting rifle so I built her a 6.5 Grendel and she couldn't be happier. 20" Odin DMV barrel with adjustable gas block

6.5 Grendel is produced by wolf at 25ish cent a round for range blasting

A 6.5 is in my future - I'll be interested to see your experience. I see the Grendel as adding capability to my AR lower - it's a far better companion for hunting coyotes in the Great Basin deserts. It gives me a harder hit at greater range, but without the overkill of a .308 or Creedmore.

I built out a Grendel upper a while back specifically to learn long-range shooting. As you mentioned the ballistics are similar to .308 but it's less expensive to shoot (or it is for me). I'm not gonna be competitive at a match against 6.5 CMs or Lapuas or 300 win mags, but that's not the point for me - I just wanted a platform to start learning long range shooting. The smaller/lighter bullets may make for less obvious bullet-trace. At my altitude it's hard to see except in the winter months.

I have a precision AR with a 223 Wilde barrel. I was thinking that an economical way would be to just build an upper in 6.5 Grendel.

When can we expect to see the follow up accuracy review?

Did you do a follow up video on the Grendel? Would like to know how accurate the Faxon match grade was.

Thoughts on a non reciprocating side charging upper for a precision AR build? I have been considering a Grendel build and thought a side charging upper would make a nice addition to the rifle. As always, keep up the great work and thanks for all your input.

I see the Grendel as a fun cartridge, not the baddest ass available but being able to swap uppers and a bolt and go back to 223 or 300 BLK is where it's real advantage is. I think it is a far superior hunting round over 223 due to bullet weight and remaining energy but still in a neat package. I wouldn't mind having one for a rainy day.

Thanks for the video. Lot of good info, but for the average shooter, the working stiff, the simple cost of ammo is staggering. 6.5 creedmore costs 3 times more expensive as the 6.5 grendel. That was my only concern when I purchased my 6.5 grendel upper. The only regret is that I opted for the 24" bull barrel that makes the rifle about 12 lbs, which makes it too heavy for hunting

Cannot wait to see what your results will be. I have a purpose built piston 6.5 Grendel just to shoot DMR matches. Absolutely love the function and performance of this rifle. I use regular AR steel mags with no issue other than running out of shooting fun.

What brass catcher do you run (or recommend)?

When will we be getting to see a new video on this gun? Well some range testing on this cartridge? Great video. Good comparisons chosen

There is a guy in Sarasota who makes the AR-15 ak-style rifle we can use the AK-47 mags you can change your upper and still use the AK-47 mags on a 6.5 Grendel and have no problems

Looking forward to seeing the follow-up on this video. Have you posted it yet? Great info, i'm a big grendel fan now on my fourth build.

Hello! Great video, thanks a lot! Could you tell us which brass catcher do you use, please? Thanks for your help! Best regards... Now, i have to go out and shoot!!! ;)

How’s the accuracy potential of these 6.5 Grendel match barrels from Faxon?.... looking to use as a possible choice for my next build

I have 2 Grendel AR's and a howa bolt action Grendel. If you're shooting targets, a 6.5 Grendel is way cheaper to shoot than 308. Especially if you reload. Low recoil means you can put 5 shots on a target faster than 2 for a 308. I've shot 85-129 gr bullets in my grendels. All accurate. I also have 3 6.5 creedmoors. Next is going to be a 6.5-06. 143 gr bullet at 3000fps. Semper Fi.

I love my 6.5 grendel if your on the fence about building one do it

8541 Tactical I wanted to ask if there is a video on the performance of this Faxon 6.5 Grendel but do not see many replies and others asking anout it BUT us there a video ? How did it do ?

6mm Grendel is the ticket in an AR15. Save the 6.5s for the bolt guns.

I am very interested in the Faxon Grendel barrel. I anxiously await the shooting results.

so 6.5 Grendel is to .308 what the 6.5 is to a 300 win mag, kinda. same. ballistics (almost) minus energy. they both just do it with less recoil, powder and blast.

Alexander Arms specifically developed the 6.5 Grendel as a practical 800m. (1/2-mi.) gun-&-cartridge, with utility out to 1000-1200m. with the proper bullet/powder combination. I have seen videos of their guns/loads at 1200m; definitely usable at 1200 meters (although if you're hunting decent-sized deer at 1200m. the terminal ballistics are such that you *really* need to do your part - same for sniping, obviously, at 1200m.). Also, if I'm recalling correctly, their 6.5 Grendel ARs have a *slightly* larger bolt to help with that thinness issue you mentioned; obviously that means that if want to be able to swap back and forth, 6.5-to-5.56, you need to be using AA's 5.56 bolt, so that could be a consideration. Not to mention that *that* bolt is *not* any kind of 'drop-in' part in your AR. Also, AA's ammo is carefully made to maximize the usability of their cartridge; I have yet to see/hear complaints about AA's ammo - except for price, as it is a bit 'spendy' (although nowadays you can spend almost $2/round for 'Premium ammo'!). One of their loads is a 130-grainer with excellent ballistics, especially for retained-energy (not really a surprise there). An AA 6.5 Grendel AR isn't cheap - not by a long-shot (no pun intended)! But the company has put the necessary R&D into it to make sure the gun/cartridge is effective (hunting or sniping), reliable (an *essential* - no matter it's use!), and durable enough to not be thought of as a 'Safe Queen'! There are 'varmint loads', with 90-gr. soft-point and hollow-point bullets - including one from AA themselves, I think. Something like that would be my choice for a home-defence/self-defence load, I think. (About the same sectional density as a 65-gr 5.56; would like an 80-gr, but never heard of a 6.5/.264 in that weight.) Alexander Arms has said that, in their view, the problems that are most commonly seen are the result, usually, of either 'pushing' the cartridge into operating 'outside it's envelope' &/or using inappropriate powders - I've seen a list of powders that they recommend for making loads. With the multiplication of powders in the last 8-10 years, I wonder if that's helped the situation or worsened it?

I can't get behind the velocity of 6.5 Grendel. I'm convinced it should be 6 Grendel. You can get 2800 FPS with 100+ grain .243 bullets. Much better performance. Am I crazy? I don't think there's enough powder for 6.5 bullets.

Hey John love the videos. Have you done a video showing how you would measure the height of scope over bore?

Talking 6.5 grendel while wearing a Fallout t-shirt makes for a dang fine Mail Call.

Sporting a SWFA SS optic. My choice for an affordable scope. Have the 10x on my M1A and a 1-4 on my VEPR Pioneer 7.62x39. Could not be happier with them. Looking to upgrade my .22-250 to a 3-15x. Have you tried a 22-250 at long range?

John is it possible for a bit of a review of the Kahtrol brake and it compares to the APA Little B brake.Cheers

Did he test the barrel yet? I'm real curious. Perhaps I missed the results video? Can anyone help me out here?

I doing a 6.5 grendel build n run into a problem. It a type 2 barrel n bolt carrier group. The charging handle n bolt sticks (stuck) n doesn't want to be cycle. I tried other charging handle n other bcg. I m guessing that the upper receiver is damage r its no good. Now my other guess type 2 bolt n barrel requires a different upper receiver. Do u have any suggestion. Any one need some pointers about this build.

Sorry if I missed it, but I would love a video of the .300 win mag in the renegade stock! Only ever saw reviews of it but never saw a frame of it seated in the stock. great content!

.308 has quite a bit more energy @500 if your shooting critters though... but like you said 4 paper 👍

What is the M1896 6.5mm Swedish Mauser running at 1,000 yards...? I just bought one made in 1900 and all original...matching...Just curious...

Comparing the Grendel to the Creedmoor is like comparing a F150 to a F250.

Great video, except the speed of sound at ISA ( International Standard atmosphere-.. 29.92 in hg and 15* C (59F)) is 1116 fps. Speed of sound is primarily temperature dependent and will be slower at lower temperatures and faster at higher temperature.

I made a standard ar 15 with a wylde 223 barrel and now looking to add to my build with a 6.5 Grendel. Got all the info for the barrel and other option. What bolt are you using for that Grendel, standard or ?

I have been shooting a 6.5x55 Swede for about 50 years. I realize that you are somehow comparing the Grendel to the Creedmore which is similar to comparing Apples to Grapefruits. Shooting long range I'll take my K98 Mauser custom to any Creedmore. I do have a couple of Grendel rifles. A CZ bolt action tack driver and a converted mini30. I will not own an AR. I think they are junk. I do like that uppers can be swapped easily but overall I am not a fan of direct impingement gas systems. I prefer M-1/M-14 piston operated system. My other favorite battle rifle is an SKS. As.for the 6.5 Grendel, I believe it is excellent for hunting medium size game including Caribou. Having harvested moose and elk with careful shot placement it will produce effective one kills but if I am hunting game that large I will use my Swede. I also have a 260 Remington rifle that has been a great deer harvester. You might notice that I am a big fan of 6.5mm bullets. Both the sectional density and ballistic coefficient are spectacular in my opinion. I love my CZ 527 in the woods. It is extremely accurate and the whitetail I shot a few weeks ago dropped dead after about 30-40 feet. For me it is my favorite hunting caliber. Very light recoil and excellent kinetic energy even down range. As a battle rifle if I were going to be in a firefight I would pick the Grendel. If I could get a brand new SKS in 6.5 Grendel I would buy it in a heartbeat. My home defense weapon is a ruger mini-6.5 Grendel built by Accuracy Systems in Colorado. I'm not too sure why Hornady and Ruger. Developed the Creedmore in the first place. There really isn't anything wrong with the 260 Remington and necking down .308 brass is a piece of cake.

Is it true a 16" or 18' Barrel doesnt work well with the 6.5 because of the large case capacity and the powder doesnt fully burn off?

i like the 6.5 grendel,i have been wanting to build one for quite a while.my interest would be a rifle that i could learn to shoot long range on,my 30 is going to be more of a battle rifle like the c-308 from century arms.

Does anybody make any armor piercing rounds in the 6.5 Grendel about an insinuating rounds in the 6.5 Grendel

I'm running 24" BCA and 12" PSA. They both do .75 moa at 100yds

What do u mean sitting around. I have 1 ar lower and 4 uppers of different calibers. It only takes 30 secs to swap em

Thanks for the Intel. What scope and Bipod are you running on that 6.5?

Try the 123gr Lapua Scnar and IMR XBR 8208 a great combo for the Grendel

HI I'm new to the 6.5 grendel. Would a 18in barrel be better than a 20in barrel for gas piston set up.

How did the AR stoner mags work ed

6:20 1000 yrds yes 1k yardsi incredible how a projectile can be so precise and accurate when hitting what its aimed for, no matter the trajectory to intended.

So I've got an Springfield Saint .223 AR and wanted know if it a 6.5 grendel upper can work on a .223 Lower?

Bought a complete upper but having a hard time completing a lower for it, got pretty discouraged with the lack of ammo selection...so if anyone has some great places to get a wider selection I’m all ears.

Yes the numbers dont lie the 6.5 is more accurate but the 308 still has more ft.lbs on impact wich is better for hunting and military use

Check out the Lapua 100 grain bullets. BC is .444 so you get more speed with still a pretty high BC. Also, I built mine and it's a 7 pound semi auto, 1000 yard rifle

Where did you get that multi-cam skull?

Hey Johnny boy, where's that MDT ESS review at?

Could you have a 6 pos stock on this setup? If not, why? I hear that its a problem. Im trying to build a 6.5 Grendel and im running into this...thankyou.

that is an asc mag...it's stamped on the follower...you may have feed issues with it

Awesome mid range cartridge.

could you do a comparison of the .223/.556 to the Grendal at 500 and 1000 yrds. please. I think that is where is will show that the little bit in weight gain is worth the gains in ballistics

Nice presentation. No mention of the "Law Tactical" folder?

Not sure about 140 ELD's but 129 ABLR and 130 VLDs work well. Precision Firearms loads the 129 ABLR and Federal and Copper Creek Custom load the 130 VLD. Having a little experience with the 6.5 Grendel, the Hornady 123 Gr SST "Custom" loads have the lowest SD of any factory load I have shot, but they all seem really good. Even the 100 gr Wolf ammo is not bad for plinking. It had a SD of 15-16 if I recall.

I wish they did an ar 15 upper that was a little bit beefier to allow a thicker ar bolt for the grendel. I'm sure that would expand the life of those bolts and probably even get the military to consider switching to the grendel cartridge. I think I m gonna get into it. Thanks for the great video!

Anyway a 6.5 will do 2600 FPS with 123 grain out of a 18 or 20 inch barrel? If not what would be the highest mv I could get

all the comparisons are good and all but i feel like the obvious should also be looked at. case size and powder capacity. the grendel holds less than both other cartridges compared here so considering the performance numbers on here i would say is pretty impressive what the grendel can do with less.

I understand the trend for shorter barrels but you are losing enough velocity as it is with the Grendal. Why wouldn't Faxton offer a 24" since you need all the velocity you can get?

What's the best scope for it?

Which ballistic app did you use?

What length is that hand guard? The barrel? Srry

my ar 6.5 feed jams wont eject the round locks up .but will manual eject the rounds whats up with that.any help thanks

...sorry about my comment below going off about it..flustered at people telling me how "inexperienced/not proficient/uneducated/blah blah" by not just CHOOSING the Creedmoor by default...*HOWEVER, I brought two 130-175gr 6.5 Grendel types versus the newest, most custom hand loaded 6.5CM (& we used gel!!! sooo....oh yeah, it's on in terms of settling why the Army those it). Honestly? The AMU guys' .224 Valkryie, imho, is near equal to lheavy gr .260*

Can you use a standard M16 bolt carrier with 6.5 grendel as long as you replace the bolt itself?

Love the vault boy shirt

6.5 does look good ! Fits Light fighter concept . One shot one kill and no need to double or triple tap and waste time , ammo when a sniper is scoping you. Reach out there and see who has used it combat ? Be there first then and write a book about it G ! I went to combat with 6.5 Gren :) ( actually 6.71 Sami) and took out ALQidad , ISIS and Taliban with one loaded mag !

To get the velocities he’s talking about you need about 2650 FPS at the muzzle, not likely with a 20” barrel…

ELD is Extreamly Low Drag. BC should be front and center when comparing external bullet perfomance.

I know this is an old video but 6.5 Grendel has pretty much became my go to cartridge in my ar15’s. Of coarse I’ve got my 223/5.56 but my Grendel’s kick ass in all categories over the 223 especially since wolf steel case is pretty plentiful. The wolf doesn’t really shoot that great 2 moa at 100yds but it’s good enough to hit 8 inch plates and 2 liter coke bottles at 350-450yds that’s as far as I can currently shoot. But my home built Grendel with hornady black 123gn eld’s shoots 2.5 to 3.5 inch groups at 400yds. Still working on my handloads (thanks johnnys reloading bench) so hopefully I’m able to get a little better accuracy. But it’s a solid 600yd rifle that weighs 8.4lbs with a 15rd mag and a 4-14x primary arms acss scope. Probably good for farther than that but I’m not sure if I would be lol. 18’ b/a barrel Anderson receivers and bolt. Ubr buttstock radical arms 15’ rail rock river 2stage match trigger 7.62 bcm compensator and a knockoff atlas bipod. Gun shoots very good for the money I have invested. Oh yea and it’s pretty much my primary deer rifle to. The 110gn Lehigh controlled chaos is what I’m currently using and it works awesome. But the federal fusion 120gn sp and 123gn hornady sst are both great for deer too

Try the Alexander arms high use bolt, it has stress relief cuts on the lugs. On Alexander arms website you can also get better mags.

I do love my 6.5

What does the 6.5 Swedish Mauser do??? Punch those numbers... That's what I use for deer and it was made in 1912 and is stamped right on top of the receiver ring, 1912. Yep. Still got the original barrel on it too. Been using it for about 25 years and got it for $150 and came with a 3x9 scope...how much you spending? Over $200?

In What speed you base your numbers ?? I

why do you mount your scope that way?

Looks like it’s time to get a 6.5 Creedmoore

I see guys with drums & 30rnd sticks on the bags at the bench.... i like 5s & 10s on the bag..the stick mags are not your bipod..lol... & im REALLY interested in a 6.5 grendel ar15...

Any update on triggers?