Leman Russ Punisher, the canonically infantry shredding Russ, does not get lethal hits to infantry, but does to vehicles.

I think the change will ultimately be beneficial once people realize what we can do. All of our dedicated transports have the squadron keyword, and scions can deep strike and attack objectives with full rerolls. I think adding to the Rapid Fire might be better than going from 3+ to 2+. Welcome to the age of mechanized guard.

Daring recon won't affect the 1-3 missing. That's a rule about unmodified rolls. Daring recon only affects the -1 modifier to the hit roll from indirect. Two separate things.

Would be interesting to get the scout sentinel thing cleared up. And the Preator Target Coordinates ability as well. "While this model is being affected by an Order, each time it makes an attack with its Praetor launcher, it does not suffer the penalty to the Hit roll for attacking a unit that is not visible to it."

I understand that vehicle players are happy with the changes but my pure infantry is now getting tabled turn 3. So it's not really a benefit of any way. Plus I'm 99 percent sure that Scout Sentinels wouldt ignore new penalty. Artillery went down because it got worse

RE: Scout sentinels, as i read it, they dont ignore the 1s-3s missing. The -1 to hit is a penalty to the roll. The "all 1s, 2s and 3s fail" is not a penalty to the roll but a limitation on the roll. This is for sure how GW will FAQ it when they eventually do

Daring Recon would still allow for the re-roll of 1s. Daring Recon re-rolls results of a 1 therefore if a 1 is rolled on an attack it is re-rolled making it a new result.

Just wanted to add that Sly Marbo is regiment, he gets lethals

Combined arms forces -- interestingly you still can KIND OF use lasguns to mass attack creatures -- just with Chimera's -- and using transport spam can give you the flexibility and survivability to deliver your guard to actually inflict those lethal hits -- while using the heavy weapons while they are inside the chimera to inflict lethal hits on vehicles.

Just want to thank you for being a positive contributor today in a sea of reactive doom and gloom to these changes. It's all good and fine to be annoyed or frustrated by stuff but that sort of content takes a toll so I knew when I saw this video it would be comfortable, informative, and positive. So for that I say thank you!

I want you to be right about daring recon. But I think it only ignores the -1 to hit.

2 Psykers in a Chimera.....let's roll!

Here we go lads. RIP artillery, but Triple Dorn is gonna shine.

Honestly I have a really bitter taste in my mouth. I have two Combat Patrol boxes and a Dorn, and it feels like the only thing that's worth a damn now is the Dorn. Infantry is free VP to the enemy, so I don't want to bring that. FOBs I can't buff into reliability anymore. Sentinels... okay, I can group those and have a worthwhile use for my ONE Reinforcements strat. But it's really a bad feeling to feel like al this time and money I've spent building and painting half my collection is now wasted.

I think you're right on the Daring Recon. The term penalty is never defined in the Core Rules, so if it doesn't apply to the Hit Roll on 1-3 always fails, then it wouldn't apply to the -1 to Hit either. The ability should probably be redefined so it falls under the Ignore Modifiers rules.

At 18:08 you answer one of your earlier questions via what you display on screen. If you read the Page 10 - The Battle Round section where it talks about 'out-of-phase' rules, it says: "When using out-of-phase rules to perform an action as if it were one of your phases, you cannot use any other rules that are normally triggered in that phase." This means that our detachment rule will not trigger on overwatch or other times when reactionary shooting happens in any of your opponents phases. Not sure if that's different from how it is now, but it certainly means our detachment rule doesn't happen "all the time" now.

Great video. Thank you!

Like so many other people said, thank you for being a positive voice in all of this. Also, what do you guys think of using the Kurov’s Aquila on a 20 man DKoK block with a Marshal and running it to the middle. With the new aura of +1CP to all strats that could really mess with peoples gameplan.

(Daring Recon) The Penalty to the Hit roll is the -1 to hit. While the auto-miss on 1-3 is a penalty, it is a static rule and does not apply to the roll itself.

The ignoring the no hitting on 1-3s with Daring Recon feels like a malicious RAW interpretation. Theyre very obviously trying to hamstring artillery because it isnt fun or interactive for the opponet. Especially when its coming from durable platforms. I see how you came to that conclusion but it reads to me as something thats very cleary trying to intentionally interpret it against the spirit of the rule

Great video CSS, love your stuff. IMO until they clarify how Daring Recon is meant to work, indirect fire with Artillery is dead for now, still not worth running 140pts of Basilisks. Side note, you mentioned you could give Artillery +1 to hit if your enemy applied a -1, however, it's irrelevant, the new rule states 'unmodified hits of 1-3' which means it doesn't matter what your + is, you're still auto failing on >3. At least, that's how I understand it.

daring recon says you only ignore the penalty to the hit roll. automatically missing on a 1-3 is not a penalty to the hit roll. pretty obvious it only ignores the -1 to hit for indirect fire.

Gonna need an FAQ on that Sentinel spotting. Because, the scout sentinel should go down in points if half the abilities it has are now useless

On the sentinel thing, I don't know how the 1-3 limit couldn't be a penalty, and also if it still applies, then the other part of the rule essentially does nothing as it would generally be allowing artillery to hit on 3s. Interested to see where they go with that one. If the hit roll limiter does still apply then daring recon needs a full re-write, maybe re-rolls to hit instead or something.

this born soldier change clearly buffs my towed artillerys so its not that bad to be honest, as they hit on 5+ and can hit on 4+ with an order. but for a basilisk a 30-50% point decrease should have happened as they are nearly useless now as they could hit on 2+ with modifiers so they basicly went from 83% hit chanse to 66% which is dogshit. But bombast field gun is not affected by negative changes so I dunno why the point decrease, but its a wellcome change for sure. as death strike is not considered indirect now I have a reason to put 3 of em in a 2k point game

I think they will call it a restriction to avoid confusion...

I've reconsidered my previous understanding of the Indirect Fire changes. Reading through the Indirect Fire rule the automatic miss on a roll of a 1, 2, or 3 is explained in the penalties paragraph. When you look at the Daring Recon ability of the Scout Sentinel it removes the penalty for the Indirect Fire weapon ability. If it removed the benefit of Cover and the -1 to hit previously there is nothing saying the auto miss wouldn't get included in the "penalty." Somebody red team this for me.

people always complain that reinforcements and indirect fire were never fun to play against but I find alpha strike armies not fun to play against I don't see gw nurfing them

Daring Recon doesn't stop the new indirect ruling. This is very widely stated by every competitive channel and will likely be the exact same stance of every TO

Would they do a re-release of the core book? I’m relatively new to the game (played some in 3rd edition and came back a year ago) and it seems nuts to have all these little tweaks to the rules in this document or that document. It’s great when updates roll into the 40K app but the official core rules document should get updated too.

Fun fact, Sly Marbo has the regiment keyword

"Unmodified" hit rolls of 1-3 always fail. Am I missing something here? What is a modified hit roll?

It's over for pure infantry players Good thing I have a backup 2000pts of armor Reinforcements being changed is not good, they should've made it where you just can't bring them from the enemy's deployment zone

The way i interpret the new IDF rule is that the scout sentinel will allow our Basilisk and Manticore to hit on 3s with heavy. It specifies an unmodified hit roll. Heavy is a modification, therefore allowing it to negate that secondary penalty.

So many of the changes seem arbitrary and primarily because the models are used successfully. Ages ago Epic40k had statlines that were produced by a formula. So 5cm of movement was worth 5 points, shooting at 5+ at 50cm range was worth 20 points, 5 points for each pip on the die and 5 points for each 25 cm of range. So the base statlines made sense, then they focused on balancing the special rules. Making Netepic nowadays one of the most balanced systems. Also, curiously enough, Armageddon as well.

Another question, does things that remove BS and hit modifiers negate the 1 to 3 always fail rule? Like mortarian and dark reapers exarch? As that is modifying the hit?

No daring recon does not work anymore, you still get re roll of 1’s. Let’s not twist words or meanings. We all know what GW meant.

My Poor Mecharius Vulchan no lethal hits for you ): , Now however a Malacador defender with lethal hits on over watch now that could be cool. Any overwatch in general benefiting. I feel like I might have to balance my army with squadron units more because if i can't lethal hit my way though vehicles and monsters I might have a hard time. Also the hazardous change scares me unless I mis understood wherever the mortal wounds will spill over. The indirect fire changes would have me believe you could play your artillery more mobile now and risk getting into direct los for the weapons. You could use scout sentinels just so you cancel the -1 to hit so you'd mostly be hitting on a 4+ if your mobile then if you stay stationary later the heavy would just cancel out any accuracy nerfs/stealth related nerfs. & still give you those rerolls of 1's. You could move around with the benefit of still having lethal hits and maybe play some backline objective or some long distance direct line of sight. I'd be less inclined to play the backline solar buff artillery blob. Especially with not needing the extra cp for reinforcements.

So, GW is basically forcing us to make truly combined regiments - we can't go either full Artillery, Tanks or Infantry, we must include at least some tanks and infantry to be more flexible against enemy rosters. Or we can do 18 sentinels...

Them making the.lethal hits thing complicated is so dumb. Not to mention how many of the Taus units are vehicles?

I’m not going to lie this update made me very sad. I’m an infantry guard commander at heart and I feel like I lost the throw in the next wave ability.

Daring recon should remove the 1 to 3 penalty, although I think intended vs written will change this. GW hates indirect (almost as much as they hate aircraft)

Great video! Thank you for keeping a fellow guard player updated.

I still think the Sentinel indirect fails on 1-3. They changed the rules for a reason, the sentinel ability was written way before this update right? Indirect hit rolls "always" fail on an "unmodified" 1-3. It doesn't seem like a penalty to me. The sentinel ability makes it a modified hit roll. I could be wrong, I'm a new player but I feel like the rule change just came out, so the sentinel ability only applies to smokescreen or -1 to hit rolls like Vanguard Spearhead.

I feel these changes are ill-thought. Baneblade etc, no lethals. Tank commander, not a born soldier apparently, no lethals. Anti-tank hvy weap infantry, no lethals vs tanks. Anti-infantry tanks, no lethals vs infantry. Reinforcements was a crutch, kicked away, could have easily been made simply setup in deployment area only, or a version of sites of power in mid table, control the obj, can set up. Ratling snipers and Ogryn, no lethals. Chimeras filled with navy breachers with free Creed grenade strat could be fun.

The no lethals on baneblades lacks commonsense

IMO, Born Soldiers should work on infantry or vehicles depending on the strength of the weapon firing, not the kind of model firing. The heavy stubbers on a Rogal Dorn shouldn’t be better at killing tanks than infantry.

Not a huge fan of the pivot rule for round bases. No penalty for pivoting. Looking at Dark eldar raiders and such can deploy length ways on the line, pivot for free and gain 2 inches.

This uodate to the game makes me feel like my thoughts may have been confirmed: This edition isnt for us, this edition is for gw to completely relearn 40k. 11th is gonna be for us (the playerbase).

Do you own heavy weapons teams? I've never seen them

I think the reinforcements change was needed with the change to Creed's reduce strategem cost by 1 ability. Creed would be able to hand out 1 cp reinforcements all game (

The Always Miss for indirect is not going to be classified a penalty. I think you are trying to stretch too much for Daring Recon; its wishful thinking on your part. Prepare yourself for disappointment. I say this as a guard player. The change they needed to make and failed to: Scout Sentinels needed to have Daring Recon simply provide Rerolls to Hit when firing Indirect Fire weapons when the target is not visible. Another way to look at the Punisher is to put Multimeltas in the sponsons and a lascannon in the hull to go vehicle hunting, and the punisher cannon for infantry. See, Lethal Hits and Devastating Wounds is a nonbo. Seen from a certain light, this is not a nerf at all. It does suck that you aren't getting Lethal on the heavy bolters and stubber, but it kind of helps the punisher a bit.

Daring recon is intended to remove the penalties of indirect fire. Hit on 2+ with the right combos.

Its a bit funny that you use sly as example of a loone character when hes the only character with regiment keyword 😊

Reinforcements with cp then again with creed in a single turn gone really hurts

Indirect fire weapons out, Sentinel spam incoming!

It's tank time. *nods sagely*

It's not a penalty any more than overwatch hitting only on 6's

Hence why i stopped collecting 40K a year ago. They change it so many times its impossible to get an army and stay competitive. It's all designed to get you to buy what they want you to buy. They balance on money spreadsheets, what is selling and what isn't and how much people are willing to buy it for. Such a shame but not getting into a game when they do that.

This doesn't help new people just starting to play before this happened lol

Interesting outro

Wholeheartedly disagree that the reinforcements nerf will make the game as a whole better. I think it removes a thematic aspect of the game and in the case of tyranids unending swarm, it completely destroys an entire detachment. Guard can survive without it, but it’s still less thematic. There are better ways to fix it. It’s a heavy handed change that GW made to fit the pariah nexus mission pack in my opinion. You know, Instead of designing your mission pack around the game, have the company drunk write some rules and change the game to fit the mission pack.

I'm not that experienced (only been playing for 6 months all spent with guard) but this ruins guard! Our infantry is useless unless it's in 20 man blobs and our artillery is terrible. I have had to fall down on reinforcements, born soldiers and artillery just to draw a game. I know people are going to say "skill issue" but I have been tabled by dark eldar too many times to deal with this! Game workshop are making guard unplayable!

Do GW pay you - seriously reinforcement only once per game. Infantry are longer any threat and will just be mowed down. Artillery is being nerved out of the game. Infantry and arty nerved- gutting two of our three pillars. Seriously you are right off the mark. Scout sentent ability will be nerved as all arty is soon to be nerved out of the game, like fliers.