MAJOR DECISION - Qantas To Fly Finnair Aircraft

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Qantas will fly Finnair Airbus A330s for 6 months to meet the demand they're seeing across their network. However, a decision to wet-lease the aircraft from the Oneworld partner has seen criticism and complaints from pilots' unions within Australia who claim that this is the end of the Spirit of Australia as a recent run of events highlight the company's change in direction and poor management. Additionally, the Australian pilots union claims a decision by Qantas is ultimately shocking and disappointing. Is this a good decision or bad for the company? In today's video, I discuss this subject.
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@sainnt Жыл бұрын

Lufthansa also wet leased Finnair A350 to operate flights between Frankfurt and Orlando. While airlines around the world are seeing an increase in demand, Finnair has seen a decline due to airspace restrictions around Russia. This is a great way for Finnair to continue generating revenue from aircraft that would otherwise be parked.

@mikrokupu Жыл бұрын

Finnair also started feeding Qatar Airways from the Nordic capitals HEL ARN CPH, Qatar Airways also has capacity problems

@Tuukkohakee Жыл бұрын

This is especially a great way to use the A330’s as the new route around russia restricts the usage of these aircraft on some asian routes.

@mikehindson-evans159 Жыл бұрын

If the airline needs planes quickly, then a deal within the OneWorld alliance makes sense. Qatar helped out BA the other year when there was a fuselage shortage (Dreamliner engine woes, or something?). It's the real world, guys and gals!

@johniii8147 Жыл бұрын

Actually has nothing to do with Oneworld. This is all about available aircraft and Fin had some with crews.

@craigbeatty8565 Жыл бұрын

LOL. Did Qantas give them a fuselage or two (excluding wings and engines)? Never heard of that before.

@johniii8147 Жыл бұрын

@@craigbeatty8565 This is where an airline with too much capacity/crews that need lease it out to another carrier that actually need the capacity on short notice. Not surprising in this case since Fin Air is has issues overflying Russia these days going to Asia which was most of their long haul network.

@stevewhan7308 Жыл бұрын

I flew on Finnair A330 a few years ago. As I boarded I was shocked at how tightly packed the seating was configured, and immediately dreaded the pending long haul flight. It turned out to be amazingly comfortable. The seat was the best economy class I can remember, the entertainment system proved very adequate. I was so comfortable I slept most of the flight without any difficulty. It was the easiest long haul flight I’ve ever done!

@paulsz6194 Жыл бұрын

Their recent economy menu is nothing to talk about. You only get ONE hot meal on long-haul economy, and also ONE complimentary alcoholic drink served with your main meal. Any extra Alcoholic drinks throughout the flight must be paid for!

@jasonclauson801 Жыл бұрын

I recently flew from Stockholm nonstop to London Heathrow on a British Airways flight complete with a British Airways menu in the seat pocket that was a Finnair branded A320ceo and Finnair flight crew. It appears Qantas is not alone in this practice.

@mikrokupu Жыл бұрын

Yeah Finnair currently operate flights for BA and Qatar Airways, last summer they even flew to N-America for the Lufthansa Group. Finnair have excess capacity due to Russia's closed airspace.

@stevendurick9441 Жыл бұрын

I feel like Wet Leasing is a lot more common in other places and Australians don't have a lot of experience with seeing their major airline engaging in a wet lease agreement (even though QantasLink literally does this on a large scale with Alliance Airlines). I think it's just a little different for Aussies when it comes to our national airline wet leasing a widebody to operate international routes, but I believe that is just due to a lack of exposure to this type of operation As you said, I reckon it could be exciting for some Australians who get to try out the Finnair product which we usually don't see in Australia

@AustralianConsultancy Жыл бұрын

Then why does Air New Zealand have leased 2 A330s from WAMOS used for services from Auckland to Perth. Qatar leases Cathay Pacific 777-300ERs for its operations, for the same reason as Qantas - huge growth within all branches of the Qantas Group. Why does all of a sudden that when Qantas needs to expand its operations to lower air fares that instead of a positive attitude, people are angry, because it seems they are always angry about something, at this point you can have airfares low or keep them high and you would still complain. Qantas A330 pilots are not fitted for the use case of Finnair A330s because Finnair have crewing schedules from Helsinki to Australia, its better for them to have them crewed for the way down instead of a handover of AUS -> FIN crew at an Asian port - this is especially the case when looking at the aircraft's rotation. For this to happen, it would be a dry lease off to Qantas and Finnair would lose the aircraft and can't have a rotating schedule that meets their demands. Qantas' A330-300s that were chopped into freighters were due to the fact that Qantas Fleet Management signaled them to go due to them being too old for Qantas Mainline. Fleet management and expansion are 2 separate groups within the QF group - Qantas is replacing its 737s with A321neos and 717s with A220s, with the A330 replacement order expected in August. And with A35K ULRs expected in the next few years.

@rais1953 Жыл бұрын

"Poor management and poor planning." But don't worry, that's all right. Joyce will still get his bonuses and his golden handshake.

@William2512 Жыл бұрын

What model a330

@bobdevreeze4741 Жыл бұрын

@@William2512 I read 900

@electro_sykes Жыл бұрын

hope this allows for more International flights to return to Brisbane. Hate having to go to Sydney or Melbourne just to fly overseas

@stanleywey Жыл бұрын

shouldn’t have scrapped their 744’s 😅😅

@markiangooley Жыл бұрын

To parody a Monty Python song: Finnair, Finnair, Finnair! The airline that we want to be!

@ianwright7903 Жыл бұрын

Having done three Finnair Business Class flights in the last 3 months I would not think you should be highlighting finnair service. On one leg I was given the entire business class meal including hot cup of tea on one tray at the same time and then the cabin crew disappeared for the remainder of the flight.

@justinmcdaid2594 Жыл бұрын

What about the other 2 flights?? Or do you only highlight negatives

@ianwright7903 Жыл бұрын

@@justinmcdaid2594 strange reply. They were average, but I do not believe that Finnair should be called out as an exemplar of good service, that Qantas could learn from.

@paulsz6194 Жыл бұрын

I agree Ian, Long haul economy is also below par for a full service, European carrier. My mother flew from SIn-Hel-KRK , and she only got some sort of tomato penne pasta as the main hot meal ( no other choice, not sure if they ran out of choices or this is only what they offered) for the SiN-HEL leg, you only get ONE alcoholic drink with your main meal -any extra alcoholic drinks must be paid for. She also had her luggage case damaged last year and is still waiting for the compensation they approved for the damage 10 months ago!

@l2etranger Жыл бұрын

That's the dilemma airlines have to deal with, the energy economics paired with the pandemic, and again paired with the supply chain shortcomings and increase flying demand from consumers. The management team could focus on what it's got and has control of than strong-arming the local unions or other support organizations.

@davidcarter4247 Жыл бұрын

Qantas wet-leased seven Air Canada 767-300s after Ansett collapsed in 2001. In 1988-89 Qantas leased a 747 from Martinair - QF cabin crew, Dutch pilots. What is old is new again.

@pieterleroux8125 Жыл бұрын

If Qantas can lease or buy they have a huge fleet well done to them

@electro_sykes Жыл бұрын

give brisbane some aircraft

@aussiedude2034 Жыл бұрын

Every airline is struggling with something. I think Qantas has made some smart decisions with the new fleet coming - their pricing deal for A220, A321 & A350 would have been exceptional emerging from the pandemic. I do think the A330neo fits in well with the QF strategy - lets see what happens at Paris air show! And capacity issues - welcome to every airline in the🎉 world. For Finnair this is a win for their Winter aircraft usage and for Qantas a win for increased capacity during Summer.

@roberthamilton1301 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video Mate

@chenseanxy Жыл бұрын

The fact that, in a period when half the industry is racing to keep up demand, Finnair found that leasing out their capacity will drive more revenue than running their own service, just shows how much they're impacted by Russia's airspace closures.

@seandoherty925 Жыл бұрын

Yes no doubt that has hit them hard. Oh well, things could be worse. They could be Aeroflot!

@paulsz6194 Жыл бұрын

@@seandoherty925 actually, before the Russian invasion. Aeroflot actually had good, renowned service in Economy / Premium Economy, definitely better than Finnair at the time!

@seandoherty925 Жыл бұрын

@@paulsz6194 that may be so but to people of a certain age,(old enough to associate them with CCCP era) their previous reputation would have taken a lot to overcome. With the recent actions of their government that will never happen in Western countries now.

@toms5996 Жыл бұрын

As a Finn - let me/us know if there are any problems with this arrangement. Please note that Europe is basically a castle.

@toms5996 Жыл бұрын

I'm sometimes quite tired. Europe is at war yet we should smile. Yes, Europe will forever be self-contained receiving only the people we want - we don't want to be the the mess US is. What should Europe do? Europe will do it all - before the...........

@skylineXpert Жыл бұрын

Qantas decisions have come back to haunt them...

@charlesmoss8119 Жыл бұрын

I have to say Finnair in my experience is a lovely airline to fly on so Id probably prefer economy Finnair to Quantas

@mazyarirani3662 Жыл бұрын

Whatever they do, they need to renew their fleet. Their aircrafts and specifically the international ones are ridiculously old. The only thing that help them to survive is the fact that Australia is away from other parts of the world. If they had to compete with Middle Eastern airlines or European ones they would be broken long time ago.

@realhistoryplease4778 Жыл бұрын

That’s almost a massive’ decision 😅

@garyrea2320 Жыл бұрын

Didn’t quantas get rid or perfectly good 747s during lockdown. I am wrong?

@cellpat2686 Жыл бұрын

The wet lease sounds a bit wrong to me as no doubt QF has its own people whose job is to fly and crew their planes. Their CEO is also leaving which makes the whole deal sound strange.

@paulsz6194 Жыл бұрын

Crew need to be specifically trained to operate on certain types/ models of Aircraft-which includes flight attendants. You can’t just put a crew who is trained to fly in a B737 into an A330...

@Lazo00100001 Жыл бұрын

If I was Quantas I would order a few A330 neos and do additional freighter conversions, but hey I'm just a random dude on the internet 😊

@pesawatindonesia Жыл бұрын

wow.... nice mister ❤

@Alexander_Dunn Жыл бұрын

QF desperately need new aircraft, need to order way more 787s their international network has shrunk way too much the past 20 years

@johniii8147 Жыл бұрын

They shrunk it because it was losing tons of money. They make the money off the domestic not international. Australia is not well positioned for a lot of traffic and the country is actually small in terms of population.

@Alexander_Dunn Жыл бұрын

@@johniii8147 well yeah but some of those routes would be profitable today (eg places in South Asia and USA)

@electro_sykes Жыл бұрын

they cut brisbane airport off

@aviatorsound914 Жыл бұрын

Tho they are already moving to potentially order more A350 so I mean they don’t necessarily have to order 787 to fix those issues.

@electro_sykes Жыл бұрын

@@johniii8147 yeah, but brisbane lacks flights

@insanetraveller6253 Жыл бұрын

Qantas should've kept the 747-400ER for an extra 3-4 years after the lock down

@michaelosgood9876 Жыл бұрын

Qantas has no choice in the matter. Makes sense they lease Finnair A330s as these have the same CF6 engines as Qantas examples

@paulsz6194 Жыл бұрын

Don’t know what the engines have anything to do with it, Qantas isn’t going to service them locally anyway.

@meljames172 Жыл бұрын

Joyce was lauded as a very competent CEO during the time that blind Freddy could have run an international airline. Joyce came from a small airline and turned Qantas into one as well, no vision, poor planning, but will still walk away with a huge golden handshake for a job very badly done.

@johniii8147 Жыл бұрын

Tired of hearing out Joyce. He's actually done a pretty good job of managing the situation.

@electro_sykes Жыл бұрын

@@johniii8147 by cutting off flights from brisbane airport. Now trying to travel overseas out of Brisbane is a nightmare

@electro_sykes Жыл бұрын

he wants brisbane to miss out

@nik8888 Жыл бұрын

I doubt those a330 will have the new business class seats

@adama6701 Жыл бұрын

So do Qantas regret scrapping two A380's yet...

@toronrocarao4206 Жыл бұрын

What is controversial on this leasing?

@TakeoffPartyLand Жыл бұрын

Qantas sold 2 A330’s recently and the commenced the lease of Finnair aircraft. It’s not mentioned in this video. It’s to undercut staff since Finnair will be operating the flights with their cabin crew and pilots.

@alwaleedalthani9624 Жыл бұрын

It is a win win as the closure of the Russian airspace has restricted the Finnair routes especially to South East Asia

@aarnililja5599 Жыл бұрын

Good video you are best youtuber.

@georgeclark598 Жыл бұрын

The only person who should have been sacked at QANTAS is the CEO . He has made so much money that they could have bought a couple of these flying death traps . I wonder how big a kick back he got from Airbus to buy their stinking A350's . The Boeing 777 is the best wide body in the air today . If they were falling back on capacity , why convert their own 330's to freighters , when there are thousands of air freight companies around that could carry there stuff around a lot cheaper . Oh well New Zealand screwed Ansett so now the Irish and Finns are doing the same to QANTAS .

@electro_sykes Жыл бұрын

Qantas needs to be brought by the government again

@nayaman1023 Жыл бұрын

Sorry for the worda but its utter poor planning

@eduardodaquiljr9637 Жыл бұрын

Buy horse like 787 or777xit gives no headache.

@kwizydude Жыл бұрын

Qantas should order some a330-800 or 900s to replace their ageing a330s

@paulfromperth5713 Жыл бұрын

Finnair are a good airline 👍

@paulsz6194 Жыл бұрын

Really, when was the last time you have flown with them? They have really cut back in economy. Particularly in the quality of the meals. They are also well known for only offering you ONE alcoholic drink with your main meal. All other extra alcoholic drinks must be paid for in flight!

@briansparks4926 Жыл бұрын

Still don't understand why Australian's don't boycott Qantas to force Alan Joyce out of the company due to his gross statement concerning the customers being the problem to cover up his incompetence. He might bring in the profits but his attitude is intolerable to head up a national brand. Your observations are welcome.

@fredwalsh4108 Жыл бұрын

Will glad to see the back of Joyce.

@electro_sykes Жыл бұрын

he cut all flights from brisbane during the pandemic and then didn't return many, stating, who would wanna go to Brisbane

@margarita8442 Жыл бұрын

I will not fly in a plane if seats are wet darlinks

@aviationlba747 Жыл бұрын

Ok.

@paulsz6194 Жыл бұрын

@ margarita , What’s a " wet darlinks " ... Never heard of this term in the aviation industry- can you elaborate a little more ,?

@aviationlba747 Жыл бұрын

@@paulsz6194 Probably meant ‘darling’. Just ignore them, they post silly comments on many of these videos.

@alanmiller9681 Жыл бұрын

Why would anyone be excited with an A330? It’s junk compared to the A350, A380, 777-300 and 747-8. If you are excited by the A330, might as well bring some A300s back from the junkyard.

@mikehindson-evans159 Жыл бұрын

But the Finnair A330 is available, quiet and well-maintained. We caught an Aer Lingus A330ceo back from ORD into Dublin a year ago. Very quiet and comfortable Business Class cabin. Works for me!

@seandoherty925 Жыл бұрын

They are good solid aeroplanes. Qantas will need more of its own more modern aircraft whether that be A350s or A330neos in due course. Until that time the short term leasing of these modern crewed aircraft, at a time when they are short of both, seems like a win win to me.😢

@mxttyzw Жыл бұрын

The A330 is a versatile aircraft, Asia Pacific and Oceania carriers love the jet capabilities doing short and long haul flights. Short haul wide body flights is were the A330 is good at especially in the asian region were travel demand is rising.

@alanmiller9681 Жыл бұрын

@@mxttyzw I’ve flown on some Air Asia X flights, all using the A330. A few months after one of them into Perth, the same flight had an engine explosion and was lucky to limp into Perth.

@mikehindson-evans159 Жыл бұрын

@alanmiller9681 The A330 also holds the record for the longest unpowered glide in history, when Air Transat drivers ignored fuel warnings and ended up (just!) in the Azores. Advantage of wings built in Wales - powered by dragons!