This great man gave my father’s eulogy !!!! It was a great tribute to my father! I’ll never his words! Last time we spoke , he told me he remembered me crawling around. Very humbled to know General Hugo. Great Man!

He picked up his 2nd Star in early 1983 while still working at DESPER on the Army Staff...LTG James Lee pinned on his second star and right after that he came to Darmstadt as the CG, 32nd AADCOM...as one of the three Organizational Effectiveness Staff Officers (Consultants), I worked directly for MG Hugo until I left 32nd AADCOM in July 1985...he had been a key proponent for OE while at DESPER...he had us facilitating the full implementation of the Army Performance Management Plan beginning with the G Staff, Brigade Commander and their CSM’s and the “waterfalled” the integration of the PMP on down to the Battalions and Batteries, we facilitated all his commanders conferences, “wargaming” strategy sessions, and had us involved with ForceMod folks in planning for, site preps, and implementation of the PATRIOT fielding model, the creation and implementation of an 06 billet Support Command and other Command key projects...an extremely innovative and forward thinking CG...working those two and half years for MG Hugo were my most rewarding and stimulating time in the Army‼️

Extremely interesting perspective from one that was there. Thank you, Greg and i certainly thank Major General Hugo. Excellent interview.

What a remarkable career…thank you sir!

I remember meeting General Hugo in Darmstadt, Germany, 1986 ground school for flight training, He had one star then. Good to see he is still around.

@1:00:10 - Re: VOLAR. I was drafted in '71 into the VOLAR (volunteer army) experiment. During basic training and A.I.T., We had 3 inches of hair on top, weekends off, and 3.2 beer in the barracks. The hair thing was to reduce the shock of becoming a soldier, because back then, hair was very important. But, 3 inches of hair is a nothing burger. And a guy in basic training is used to real beer, so 3.2 beer was not good. I tried one of those cans of beer, I think it was Schlitz or Hams. Weekends off was big. But that gave me the sense that I was not getting enough training. Also, in this VOLAR experiment, they issued little rugs for each set of bunks in the barracks, and that was also stupid because we had to clean those silly rugs with our fingers. (The rug really tied the barracks together, ha ha.) As a draftee, my main goal was to survive the war, and I didn't like the fact that training did not seem adequate. They didn't make us low crawl because of VOLAR. Crazy. We only went to the firing range one time to fire our M16s, in A.I.T.. I think I was weeded out of going to Vietnam because I couldn't run like the majority of A.I.T. soldiers. They had my A.I.T. company run the mile at a track at Fort Ord, and about 4 of us lagged behind a half lap, out of breath. Officers were looking on, writing on their clipboards. Speculating, by 1971, they had learned the hard way that they needed physically capable grunts, not duds like me. I'm just guessing, though. I could hike with the rest of the company, as I'm "geared low" with my short legs. I could jog for miles, but running was slow motion. So, I'm guessing that's why I was sent to Fort Carson as a place holder in the 3rd Mechanized Infantry, whereas the guys who could run, many of them went to Vietnam. For me it was a bad news, good news thing, where the bad news was my draft number was 37, but good news was I was stationed stateside during war time. I lucked out. One rumor I heard was a VOLAR outfit was massacred in Vietnam, but no telling if it's true. The most important thing for me in basic and A.I.T. was to get the best training possible and I didn't think that happened. I hope the army has improved since then.

Can't even supply us uniforms I had to pay for mine

Super interview!

Thank you, shared.

Interesting. My uncle Neal's class of 54