I would bet that the opening 15 minutes are the Black Ajah raiding the storerooms and Liandrin taking off. Sisters were killed in that raid, though it happens off-screen in the books. It'd make for a bombastic opening, inciting incident, and set up the coup for ep 3-4, which feels more on track for me.

I had similar thoughts about the "first 15 minutes" discussion; I think it's too early for Suian getting deposed, but I think it could be Liandrin and the BA sisters fighting and escaping the tower

I’m so happy that Spiderman quotes survived the Breaking 😂😅

Great Video! I love your measured takes and realism! Glad you’re back!

This new trend of a series dropped its new SHORT season every two years is really depressing.

Yea! Wheel of Time news!

"With great responsibility comes great power." You KNOW whoever wrote that line cackled like a witch when he/she came up with it. 😄

Welcome back! Good to see and hear you again. Glad you're optimistic about a season 4. I admit to being worried. Every streaming service has announced cutting back on expenditures. WoT is a very expensive production what with the various costumes and locations used for shooting. Bezos didn't become wealthy by being a heavy spender.

Thank you for the news video!

I can’t decide if I’m more pumped to see glass columns or Nynaeve vs. Moghedien in season 3

Thanks for the information.

On Road to Tar Valon they were suggesting the first 15 minutes could be the 13 sisters escape from the tower turns violent. Maybe a terangreal raid

Great to see you back!

It takes sooo long for the season to come out that I just don't care anymore. I'm just gonna reread the books and whenever it comes out, it comes out. I'm not even sure imma watch it

Appreciate your coverage. Hoping for an animated version in the future.

Good to see you back at it you big Trolic

Love your calendar. ;-)

I'm just excited to finally get a season that wasn't screwed over for Covid or Strikes not to mention we're into books 4+ woooohoooo!!! Looking forward to actual promoting of the show again.

Can't wait!!

Im going to be negative here. I. A long long long time book fan, and this show is just pissing me off so bad. Im tired of people writing bad fan fiction of worlds I love. This show needs to either end or change from the ground up. It needs a whole reboot because the world they built has been so fundamentally changed that the characters i love are shadows of where they should be. If it had changed for the better, i would not be upset, but it's just bad. My wife has never read the books (give it time. I'll have her reading that and malazan soon enough) and she likes the world, but agrees that characters feel stunted and not consistent in what they believe. I have very little hope they can right the ship, but knowing what we have in the books and what this show is just makes me so very sad. I expect it to eventually be canceled, and someone else will get the rights, and we will see a more faithful adaptation of the books.

I think the first 15 minutes is Egwene's accepted test.

" the first 15 minutes"could be the cold opening of Ep 1 showing the deposing of Siune

So excited about season three

The tower civil war can be the start of the season and the lead up to it could be shown later as flashbacks throughout the 1st and maybe 2nd episodes.

For the post production, it has been now 2 complete months of work and also, if Rings of Power S2 took 1 year of post production, with all due respect of the prod on WoT, it should not take the same amount of time to complete it.

On a sort of unrelated note, I just think Wheel of Time needs to be a Anime style animated television show. Then it can be as visually impressive as they want, can be as book accurate as people want, and you dont have to worry about the length of the show aging out the actors (since live action would take like 20 years to do the full series). Plus I just think the series would be amazing in that medium.

Good to see you back. I hope they give Rand, Mat and Perrin more prominence. I suspect theyll spend a lot of time focussing on Nynaeve's block due to her ineptitude in S2e8 and thr reveal of Moggy. Cant escape the elephant in the room. 2 year gaps between seasons will not work in its favour.

"Shredding" would seem to refer more to a verbal dressing down.

Terrible news. Just let this dumpster fire burn itself out

Don't know if anyone has said this, but just because they filmed that scene first doesn't mean it is the first thing shown. It could be the last scene of the season for all we know.

Shohreh for elaida omg perfect

I keep forgetting how massive you are (in a good way!) until I see a photo of you with another person, they need to give you a cameo role as an Ogier, that would be too awesome!

When shall we have the first trailer of season 3?

Like others, I think the first 15 min is black ajah taking the angreal, etc, and setting up the Tanchico storyline for Elayne, Nynaeve, Thom and Julin (perhaps or maybe Mat) - and we get the action that received only a cursory coverage in the books. This, plus Siuan losing Rand to Lanfear and Moiraine (with help from Verin) will allow time for Elaida to build support in the Tower and the coup probably a few episodes later.

Could the bonkers 15 mins be the taking of the Stone? Could refer to Aiel maidens. I know its a long shot, but taking the Stone and obtaining Callandor would be a cool opening.

I was thinking the opening scene would be a flash back to the age of legends before the breaking. Forsaken battling those on the light for the dark one.

@1:06 Jordan Studios needs a better bloody sign! All those extremey talented set builders and the studio frontage looks like they hired a teenager with a bedsheet, a pot of paint and a stencil!

I think introducing Elaida in the same episode as the schism could be brilliant, especially if there is Black Ajah moving in the background being directed by an obscure character. Eliada's rise to power would establish the theory that she is BA, much like book readers suspected until the last few books

Maybe Mins vision of the deposition but seems really fast for the actual occurrence.

Maybe the first 15 minutes will be the seanchan attacking the tower and the deposing fight will be in a flashback in a later episode.

Am I the only one who is confused by the apparent skipping of the Stone of Tear and Rand obtaining Callandor? I haven't seen anyone address it, no matter how many times I see people mention that S3 is going to cover The Shadow Rising.

I think the "shredding" is figurative and just being used to describe arguing, and is likely the sisters in the Hall of the Tower arguing and tearing into each other/the Amyrlin

Yes! Finally

What if the opening scene is the Massacre at the White Tower when the Black Ajah takes the ter'angreal?

I agree with you Nae'Blis. The first 15 minutes will be the Tower change in leadership. But i think they will kill of Siuan; not just still her. I also think the conversation between Min and Elaida occurs post deposing. As with the start of Season 2, there will be a time jump between the end of Season 2 and start of Season 3. This will give Siuan and the rest of the Aes Sedai to get back to Tar Valon. Siuan will also bring Min with her. I think in the Show Min's gifts are common knowledge. At least that she sees glimpses of the future. I also believe the Min/Eladia conversation happens post deposing. I do not think of Siuan's depossition is a coup. There was a vote. For most if the Tower, it met the bare minimum requirements. That some of the voters turned out to be Black Ajah in the books, does not in my mind change that it was a coup. In my mind, a coup is an illegal seizure of power that the participants knew it to be illegal. Most of the change in leadership thought what they did was technically legal.

I wish I could be excited for it, but the first two seasons were pretty bad and so I expect the next season to be bad as well.

Whats the point it isn't like any season followed the books.

Whilst the storeroom raid is the most likely, the show could start with Suian being deposed and then have "Two days earlier" or similar......

Great to see you back legend

I hope the long periods between seasons doesn’t turn away casual fans

If we have a scene like the leaked interview script for Elaida, it makes a lot more sense for the opening battle of Aes Sedai fighting to be Liandrin and the Black Sisters leaving the tower, unless we're talking about some kind of non-linear (*Record Scratch*) "Wait, let's back up and explain how things got to this point" moment, which I don't expect for a variety of reasons.

The time between seasons kills me😅 I know there are reasons for it I just hate the wait because I'm impatient.

Perhaps the first 15 minutes is a battle leading to just before the deposition, but then after the credits they flashback to what lead to the opening? It is more satisfying to have something exciting right out of the gate, especially since we have been waiting so long!! I'm not getting any younger here, Amazon!

I wonder if the first 15 minutes has anything to do with the capture/escape of Mazrim Taim. Could he have swayed some Aes Sedai to his cause?

I think it's Cadsuane that has Sammael captured.

I feel bad about how she got skipped over on s2 . Why the white tower? Rand sitting on a wall and falling into the gardens would have been better.

What if its a 15 min cold open. Maybe a flashback to AOL?

Opening of season 1 could both happen without the need to introduce and work in Elaida and Min and still be Siuan being deposed. Because maybe it's Elaidas vision and an adaptation as to why she's so arrogantly confident of her rise to power...without the end result of her arrogance and incompetence.

I wonder if Amazon is waiting to see how well S2 of RoP does before deciding which epic fantasy show they will continue with. Two years between mediocre seasons isnt going to work out for the long term health of either show.

Did they skip season 2?

I still holding out hope that shohreh is playing cadsuane but she would be an amazing Elida aswell

What to do!? WoTCon is happening at the exact same time as The Oregon Country Fair. Probably fewer people running around sans clothes at WotCon. What to do.

I worry that the fanbase for this show can't sustain such long breaks between seasons. The demand/interest is going to wane.

I don't want to remember the show. I've only seen the first season, and there isn't enough mental bleach to remove it from my mind. Still one of the best fantasy BOOK series of all time though

Naebs!! 🤟

If the Expanse can last for 6 seasons, WoT will be fine.

Hopefully Rand isn't so useless in season 3

I do not know which I am more happy about: WoT show news or a new Nae'Blis video. The Dark One has finally transmigrated the soul of Nae'Blis from the body of DJ Nibbles to the body of one of the principals of WotCon. Nae'Blis has the calendar behind him. Nice. Upon hearing rhe news that Season 3 finished shooting, my first question is not when Season 3 will air. I would be shocked if it doe not air sometime during the first 2 weeks of September 2025. Rather, the first question should be when will Amazon official confirm that Season 4 has been greenlit and filming is expected to begin sometime in (inser month of 2024).

I'm guessing that the Unknown person who captured Samael might be Moghedien. Because she'll need some screen time for character development, but she's already cast so doesn't need to talk much during the audition. Did anyone else make any guesses? I'll read the other comments next!

Hopefully by the time it comes out theyve gotten rid of the ridiculous forced ads on prime

So we can see how they shield Rand and let others do the big battles. Maybe we can see why everyone should be afraid of Rand. After two season if you should fear anyone it would be Egwene.

Irrelevant to this video but! Do you have an animated the last battle video on your patreon. Im assuming they are disgusting amounts of work so if you’re not motivated to ever do it that’s cool. I however can’t lead myself out of a paper bag so direction landmarks and other things mean basically nothing :))))

I am more worried about S7-8 than S4, this is a very long project, and it looks like it has to be greenlit every 2 years for 12-16 years, big ask. Don't know of any TV project that has done this.

I am amazed that you have kept such a positive attitude through this mess. It is your gift! I think it is odd to say that this may following the material more closely, but then all the examples suggest changed material. If it is as good as they say it is - strange, they have said that each season and have not delivered.

It could be a flash forward. They could start with the battle and then spend the rest of the episode on the events leading up to it. Or it could be one of MIn visions. I know in the book she does not see the battle, but her visions work differently in the show. Also, I love the idea of Rant capturing a forsaken instead of Lanfear doing it for him.

Wow, for eight seasons on this timeframe 15 years will pass. They should have got younger actors😂.

So no taking the stone?

I can tell you that my enthusiasm for any show dramatically declines when it's 2 or more years between seasons. I know there are reasons, but knowing that does nothing to temper my declining interest. (And I do like the show, as imperfect as it is.)

Rafe: "Aes Sedai appear ageless." That must mean post-menopausal. Absolutely loathe this fanfic.

I'm going to be completely honest. After 2 seasons, I have lost excitement for the show. You get burned by the changes and cluster fuck that was season 1- especially the last 3 episodes (despite what is probably the best opener of any show ever, with Shaiel at Dragonmount). Season 2 started so well- and for so much, despite minor annoyances, I was genuinely liking it....until that abortion of an finale occurred that dumped all over everything the series had set up while continuing to double down on it lopsided focus, all in an attempt to create UNEARNED moments of awesome- moments that become cheap and meaningless and vapid. Well, the writing is the problem- specifically the focus of the showrunner. And my honest opinion is however good season 3 is, Rafe will fuck the landing. He doesn't respect the material or audience enough to be patient and let those amazing moments be earned. He doesn't let there be subtle slow build ups. His writing staff worked beautiful magic with Lanfear and Ishy, with Egwene and Rena. They even made a waste of time plot (which they couldn't afford) like Moiraines sister work (a mistake, given the time cost, but still well done. Just like the Steppin story.) But no matter the beautiful work of the writers, the amazing casting and acting, the set and costume designers, the music and FX (season 2), and so on....Rafe chose to go for the cheap and pathetic unearned finale that just left ashes in my mouth. I'm sorry. I wish I could be excited. But I'm not. No matter how promising it looks, the problem hasn't gone away. The problem is there. No matter how amazing those moments may be.... ...it's the ending. It's all about the ending. And 1/4 of a presumably 8 season show has shit the bed on the landing. I'll watch....but I won't get my hopes up. I've been burned too many times. Especially given the peak tv Era we've had for a long time. Fallout and Shogun and Silo and Severence and Andor....and that's just the last few years! The problems is Rafe. I don't believe he also it in him to get out of the way.

This series feels like the rings of power adaptation and the only question on my mind is: When will WoT get a Peter Jackson like treatment?

I never would have guessed Elaida would use an Uncle Ben quote, but it really fits her.

Am I getting more excited for a season of television that is over a year away at best? Not really, no.

The show has deviated to far from the books for me. I’ll hold to the works of Robert Jordan. Films NEVER make a good adaptation of the books.

let's see if 3 seasons in the protagonist actually does some thing lol. imagine if ned stark, danny and rob did fuck all for the first 2 seasons of game of thrones? :D imagine if aragorn, frodo and gandalf did nothing of note for 1 and a half movies? lol. omg, imagine if luffy wasn't the central character until season 3 O.O

I stopped watching season 2 when Lan, the greatest swordsman in the world, is torched and barely alive after fighting Myrddraal. The problem isn’t that they change timeline or story somewhat to fit the screen, as those things would be appropriate. The writers don’t understand the material and change crucial aspects of the characters that undermine the entire fabric of the story. This show is a disgrace, all the way from the beginning of season 1. Naeblis, I know your channel is entirely based on this world, but you standing behind this show is….a sellout? A disappointment? You fill in the blank. You can make a successful channel similar to Nerd of The Rings by making great lore videos and being honest.

Rafe says "set-pieces" what would that mean? Does he just mean the "setting" of the show? To me, a "set-piece" is well, a set piece...

Rafe Jenkins WOT is garbage. Listen to what RR Martin just said. George R.R. Martin calls out producers and screenwriters who change things from the books "Everywhere you look, there are more screenwriters and producers eager to take great stories and “make them their own.” It does not seem to matter whether the source material was written by Stan Lee ... Ian Fleming, Roald Dahl, Ursula K. Le Guin, J.R.R. Tolkien, Mark Twain ... Jane Austen, or… well, anyone. No matter how major a writer it is, no matter how great the book, there always seems to be someone on hand who thinks he can do better, eager to take the story and “improve” on it. “The book is the book, the film is the film,” they will tell you, as if they were saying something profound. Then they make the story their own. They never make it better, though. Nine hundred ninety-nine times out of a thousand, they make it worse" Jenkins did not make it better. He made it worst.

Please God no. Haven't we tortured Robert Jordan's soul enough with this absolute dumpster fire of a TV series.

I like the cast a lot, except for Perrin's actor but he hasn't been given an opportunity to do much more besides brood. It's a shame that we have a cast as good as it is imo, with a show like this. Hoping to see a better adaptation in my lifetime with an equally good cast.

The fanbase for the Wheel of Time is huge, especially between people now in their 40s to 70s. It could have easily been a massive success. Instead, none is talking abut this TV series, there's no hype. Judkins is a mediocre showrunner, to be kind. Amazon chose someone with almost no experience and here we go.

The show has been getting better and better, Mat is closer to where he should be, Perrin and Rand are poised for huge things, and face it, the forsaken are better than they were in the books 👍

The gap between seasons is too long for a show that is set to be 6 or 7 seasons. People will lose interest and the actors will age too much. Agree the first 15 mins will be to do with the deposing

The first 15 minutes will be Suain being deposed, but it will be one of Min’s viewings and all explained in retrospect

The book videos were great, the show meh.

Wait they're skipping all of book 3. No fall of tear? Yep definitely not going to watch season 3. Yes i get it's an adaptation, but skip one of the most important books, that is a big part of establishing that the dragon has been reborn. Thats just to much of a change.

After reading(listening) the books again (and enjoying them very much again), I am not very excited for it. (for this shadow of the/a story)

I hope to god we get the Finns. If they side step the Finns and find another way for Mat to have his actual memories and the Ashandarei, I'm done with this show.

Another major clickbait headline 😛

For the love of God why? That show is as bad as rings of power.