I Copied Noctua's A12x25 and Resin Printed it, Its Performance Was ASTONISHING

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Major Hardware

Major Hardware

Күн бұрын

I see two comments pop up quite often in my videos. The first is, how much better would these fans be if they were printed in on a SLA printer. the second is, how much performance is lost just by 3D printing process. Today we look at both of these comments and try and figure what the answer is.
I took the Nocuta A12x25 and tried my best to design a copy of it. I then took that copy and printed two fans. One is printed using the FDM process the other printed using the SLA process. We will take those two fans and compare them to each other along with the OEM A12x25.
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@lesleymunro4964
@lesleymunro4964 Жыл бұрын
I think since it's such a pain, why not just do a resin print of the top 5 fans from the fan showdowns, and retest to see the improvements?
@mattfisher1916
@mattfisher1916 Жыл бұрын
This
@firecopscott
@firecopscott Жыл бұрын
I concur. If you can establish a consistent percentage difference between resin and FDM, just apply that percentage to all subsequent fans. You don't need to resin-print anything if you can verify the differences.
@mr_bear6362
@mr_bear6362 Жыл бұрын
@@firecopscott I too concur, there could be more substantial difference in more complex fans, like geared fans or fans with many small blades, which the generalization would not properly account for
@TatharNuar
@TatharNuar Жыл бұрын
I remember some of the printed fans in early seasons not looking much like the models they came from (especially with strands of filament sticking out between blades), so this might actually redeem some of the worse contenders too.
@iamdmc
@iamdmc Жыл бұрын
@@mattfisher1916 ... is the way
@NeWhoa
@NeWhoa Жыл бұрын
I think it would be fun to see some of the fans that are at the top of the chart reprinted with resin. We'd get to see it that can push then closer to or above the original A12x25. It would also help to see if the percentage difference is consistent, then you could decide if it's worth going all-resin for future shows.
@mrrooter601
@mrrooter601 Жыл бұрын
Yeah before jumping in with a bigger printer, seeing the difference with a few fans that were already tested would probably be a good idea. I think a larger sample size will help us see if there is really a practical benefit to this for the average community created fan. But it could also be good to just do a one off episode where ALL the fans are designed with resin in mind. I feel like quite a few in the past have been let down on the fine details, and it would be cool to see if it makes a difference.
@brian770
@brian770 Жыл бұрын
adding the 2.6% means the Angel beats the A12x25 495 to 497 !!
@NaisanSama
@NaisanSama Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see the ANGEL(11bladed fan) in resin
@johnupper5225
@johnupper5225 Жыл бұрын
Ditto. Make the final show of the season a resin-printed showdown between the top 4 fans of that season.
@puellanivis
@puellanivis Жыл бұрын
Audience of webshow that generates heaps and heaps of data, demand more data.
@louistnay6122
@louistnay6122 Жыл бұрын
I remember Noctua saying that they spent a lot of time researching on the material for this fan blade because the centrifugal force causes most plastics to slightly deform outwards over time. And since the tip of the blade is so close to the outer enclosure, a small deformation could cause them to come into contact and cause problems.
@vallorahn
@vallorahn Жыл бұрын
I would like to see prolonged tests of different materials in hot and cold environments, running separately. One could run in an old fridge that has the door sensor tab broken off, so it would think that the door is always open, so that it would put power on the internal lighting that could be used to power the fans. and wireless camera. and a light. And the heated environment could be the back of the fridge, surrounded by a case to collect the heat that the heat exchange radiator puts out behind the fridge. Third set could be room temp. and time lapse cameras on all three.
@Qwarzz
@Qwarzz Жыл бұрын
@@vallorahn PLA is pretty terrible with heat. I would expect an exhaust fan of computer might already start deforming quite soon.
@jbmw16
@jbmw16 Жыл бұрын
Generally this is just so people accept the higher prices. PBT plastic or other plastics would fare just fine, really mean it.
@jbmw16
@jbmw16 Жыл бұрын
For instance look at delta fans, they are server fans that spin really fast and blow 3x times more than a noctua. I am pretty sure that stuff is just regular plastic, you can find other fans with the same plastic, and they last for over 80K hours under continuous operation at full tilt. And can be found for about 12$ - 15$ online
@Teapose
@Teapose Жыл бұрын
@@jbmw16 I suspect this is true. Marketing is one thing, realistically I think most fans will simply fail (mechanically) before that sort of thing even comes into play. I've never had a fan of any type or sort flat out deform itself to death.
@efnick96
@efnick96 Жыл бұрын
If you end up doing a fan showdown with a resin printed fan, you can always ask for pre-supported models for resin. It would be an extra challenge for designers and also make your life so much easier
@semosesam
@semosesam Жыл бұрын
I'd really like to see you do more prints in resin. I think it might open the door for some geometry that might not be possible with FDM (thinner blades, etc).
@ronnetgrazer362
@ronnetgrazer362 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. And now that we know the numbers, it's easy to calculate how much worse the FDM version would perform - as long as they're printable.
@zqzj
@zqzj Жыл бұрын
I second this!
@MeteCanKarahasan
@MeteCanKarahasan Жыл бұрын
I think FDM is lacking the micro grooves that break up trailing edge turbulent air.
@DreadKyller
@DreadKyller Жыл бұрын
@@ronnetgrazer362 To be fair, the exact percentage difference between the FDM and PLA will be different depending on the geometry, some designs may not gain as much benefit from PLA while others the smoothness may be an even larger contributor. I imagine some designs may even benefit from FDM over PLA, the small lines might break up some turbulence in certain designs for example. We know it's about a 2.1% difference for that particular model, but that doesn't mean we can slap a 2.1% difference to every model tested, that's just not how fluid dynamics works.
@AssidiousBlue
@AssidiousBlue Жыл бұрын
There are additional variables beyond smoothness (iirc there was a smoothing episode of fan showdown) including but not limited to - part accuracy (flat planes don’t work perfect on resin, but rather than sag they can just disappear into the resin vat leaving thinner parts) - material density - infill (iirc the FDM prints are 100% most of the time, but they needn’t be) - surface properties of the material - macro vs microscopic imperfections and texture (golf ball vs shark skin vs jagged edges)
@marcfruchtman9473
@marcfruchtman9473 Жыл бұрын
Yes, you should go to Resin at least for the FAN BLADES but not necessarily for the Enclosures/boxes etc because the fine details will be better for the blades. And congratulations on the new addition to your family!
@barantui
@barantui Жыл бұрын
It would be cool to see top 5 (or maybe top 10) in a season of the fan showdown printed in resin to see if there is a markedly big difference. It would also be a fun way to do an allstars season, where you revisit/reprint old ones :) I'd watch it! Like I watch almost all of your videos :D
@maxwellkeeling3781
@maxwellkeeling3781 Жыл бұрын
Upon closer inspection (ie a quick look lol) the OG fan has thinner fins compared to your versions. Design wise everything else seems to match up. So my only thoughts are to re-gauge/measure the OG fin width and re-print on resin :D Interesting of how close you got to Noctua's results! With a little tweaking, I think you'd be able to slightly surpass their results on a resin print. Great job!
@thesoupin8or673
@thesoupin8or673 Жыл бұрын
If you're on the fence, you could reprint the leaderboard fans in resin, and measuring their performance could help you decide whether it's worth making the switch permanently. I think the idea of smoother surface finishes is nice and the parallel printing times could be helpful, but at the end of the day I'm on board with whatever you decide is the most convenient for you. I'd hate for you to switch to resin for us and have it make you hate doing this work. Also congrats on the kid!!!
@thegiovannimauro
@thegiovannimauro Жыл бұрын
^ this 100%. I don't know much about resin printing or 3d printing in general, but if health is a concern for resin printing then definitely don't do it or just do it on occasion.
@SKYWURX
@SKYWURX Жыл бұрын
Yep, if he's going to try printing in resin for these projects it needs to be a setup that makes it as easy as possible. Big cleaning tanks or ultrasonic cleaner. But most importantly, a dedicated extract system, NOT filtered recirculation that'll make sure he stays safe.
@pmangano
@pmangano Жыл бұрын
That would not be accurate since the fans that are on the leaderboard all do well in normal 3d print and would probably have the same percentage drop, but it would filter out (hypothetical) fans that are only good enough for the leaderboard when resin printed
@SidneyCritic
@SidneyCritic Жыл бұрын
It's probably not the surface finish, but more likely that the FDM print has shrunk, ie, molten fusion always shrinks, and that makes a bigger gap between blade and housing. It's the same when we run jetskis, ie, we shim to prop as tight as possible.
@enbogi
@enbogi Жыл бұрын
It would have been interesting to see the weight and RPM of each fan, maybe the observed differences can also be explained this way.
@koimaxx
@koimaxx Жыл бұрын
I second the motion. Was wondering the same thing
@vanceacata
@vanceacata Жыл бұрын
I would also like to se if there was any RPM difference between the fans, as this can be a significant factor in final CFM readings
@silentferret1049
@silentferret1049 Жыл бұрын
Well if he set the test to a specific RPM which he has done before to keep it fair then it would remove the weight and RPM factor. The only difference would be power draw then if held at specific RPM.
@philip_fletcher
@philip_fletcher Жыл бұрын
RPM and power consumption (ie efficiency, watts per cfm) should definitely be added to the measurements.
@Mike-oz4cv
@Mike-oz4cv Жыл бұрын
+1. Would also be interesting if they are properly balanced or if there are tiny differences in center of gravity.
@bowieinc
@bowieinc Жыл бұрын
I’d keep with FDM so all past season are on the same playfield, plus that majority of designs sent in are coming from people with FDM. I do like the idea of a finale where you do the top five SLA. Congrats on 2nd baby:)
@TheMrjacklinks
@TheMrjacklinks Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing such a simple experiment. It’s always fun to take a single design and test multiple versions of it. There is a lot to learn from in tests like this.
@jerogiman
@jerogiman Жыл бұрын
Congratulations!!!
@stuartmorgan3654
@stuartmorgan3654 Жыл бұрын
Oh because of the baby. I swear I thought this was the start of some bots spiel.
@mica4153
@mica4153 Жыл бұрын
Resin would be a very cool change for the series, given the performance here. But I totally respect how difficult time consuming it would be. And you’d really have to get on top of fume extraction. Also my dude, don’t apologise for having a kid! Congratulations!
@jamesward1931
@jamesward1931 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on your new arrival MH!
@stevenbmw850
@stevenbmw850 Жыл бұрын
You should reprint the fdm with a 0.08 layer height and compare that to the 0.2. Would be interesting to see if or how much that helps. Might put it on par with the resin.
@seanmalloy7249
@seanmalloy7249 Жыл бұрын
Another variation to look at would be to print the FDM fan using ABS filament, and then use acetone smoothing to get rid of some of the layering, to see if it gets closer to the resin print, and by how much.
@daemonfox69
@daemonfox69 Жыл бұрын
Welcome back! Been resin printing for over a year now, would love to see you run a batch of testing through and show us more data.
@erlandjohansen7195
@erlandjohansen7195 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see more resin fans, party because not many creators use it very often. It's cool to see it in action for more engineering related parts, rather than decorations!
@JamesErath
@JamesErath Жыл бұрын
Also consider, if you ever end up doing another contra-rotating fan, resin would probably do a better job with the tiny gears that go into it
@KevinBein
@KevinBein Жыл бұрын
Been there brother! Congrats on the addition to the family!
@anwarshiekh7142
@anwarshiekh7142 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the new addition to the family.
@kenshinbattousai374
@kenshinbattousai374 Жыл бұрын
To keep things simple for you, why not both? Do the general prototyping in FDM, while reserving SLA for fans that have really thin cross sections, as well as a season finale where you reprint the top handful in SLA.
@ccibinel
@ccibinel Жыл бұрын
Unlike FDM - very large SLA printers can be a royal pain. Multiple saturns would be best. The FEP is like a trampoline and having more tension to offset the movement will create more tuning headaches as the printers get larger.
@Akira-Aerins
@Akira-Aerins Жыл бұрын
this
@quinnobi42
@quinnobi42 Жыл бұрын
I think it would be interesting to have the fans resin printed for the next season of fan showdown, but I think a 2% difference of performance is well within margin of error, so it would be more about the differences in creative flexibility for designers, such as having thinner blades.
@eldinmuller7698
@eldinmuller7698 Жыл бұрын
its probably too expensive
@JLK89
@JLK89 Жыл бұрын
I would say fans justify being resin printed IF they can come within 2% of the OG model. Otherwise just stick with fdm to get the ballpark. Or perhaps just do a finale with the top 3 performers in resin.
@Sibula
@Sibula Жыл бұрын
To be honest blade thickness is probably limited as much by them flexing under stress as the printer. But it would probably help a bit with the tolerances and such. Still not sure if it's worth it.
@DrunkTalk
@DrunkTalk Жыл бұрын
Crazy interesting results. You made one hell of a model!
@johnnykay4738
@johnnykay4738 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the new addition to your Family.
@seamon9732
@seamon9732 Жыл бұрын
I'd suggest to test other models of fans to see if the delta loss in performance remains the same. If it does, then all you need is an "offset" to compensate the printing efficiency loss so you can compare the models sent to you with commercial models.
@wesdiezy
@wesdiezy Жыл бұрын
That would probably be a function of surface area and hard to estimate.
@AaronShenghao
@AaronShenghao Жыл бұрын
I studied fluid dynamics, and you can't really do that. Two reasons: 1. Efficiency at top end tend to be non-linear. So you can't just add a 2.7% to every fan, that won't be fair to the commercial models. 2. The loss from the fans will affect RPM (drag), air flow (“lift”), and noise, neither are a simple linear calculation.
@swandonovan
@swandonovan Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@seamon9732
@seamon9732 Жыл бұрын
@@AaronShenghao Valid points. I drop my suggestion.
@Dan-Simms
@Dan-Simms Жыл бұрын
Honestly, as long as they are all made with the same printer it doesn't really matter. Whatever is easiest for you to get the job done and test for us. P.S. congrats on the new family member! Hope you all are doing well.
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 Жыл бұрын
True. Try out some different designs in Resin and if the performance difference is only around 2 percent vs FDM, then just add a correction factor when printing in FDM 🤔
@HonoredMule
@HonoredMule Жыл бұрын
Different designs are going to be affected very differently. Stock Noctua is actually a best-case scenario for rough prints because the design itself is so optimized. I don't think that's a fair baseline for amateur experiments, especially when they often have a lot more surface area.
@OLucasQueJoga
@OLucasQueJoga 7 ай бұрын
I love how you describe things about resin printing, because I honestly feel the thing you don't like about it is what makes it fun to me :D
@fari123
@fari123 Жыл бұрын
I think comparing fdm printed fans to the fdm printed version of the noctua fan is good as you've essentially eliminated the problem of different materials/build quality. Then you can use the relative differences in results of the fdm fans and just apply them to the base noctua fan to get an idea of what a good quality version of the testing fan would look like.
@ugonunes1544
@ugonunes1544 10 ай бұрын
This is a great idea!
@jonas1340
@jonas1340 Жыл бұрын
I think you should stick to FDM just because its probably much easier to whip out fans, though idk how much easier. Time is probably a valuable resource for you currently. But having the option to make more fan design prints possible is probably also a good thing for the channel and fan showdown progression.
@Jcsx.
@Jcsx. Жыл бұрын
I was literally thinking about ask you to do this😂😂Compare the Performance percentage increase or decrease and compare it to the tier list.
@EricErnst
@EricErnst Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the new addition to your family.
@fairlaneboy66
@fairlaneboy66 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on your bundle of joy!
@eltorro
@eltorro Жыл бұрын
I prefer FDM. More appealing visually with the various filaments you use. Maybe do a special episode at the end of the season with the top contenders done in SLA.
@AzzedineBouleghlimat
@AzzedineBouleghlimat Жыл бұрын
I think resin, being slightly better, but a lot more of a pain to work with, shouldn't be the standard. FDM is just too simple and fast compared to resin to fully switch over. Plus, the resin doesn't have the same range of colours and material effects you can get from fancy PLA filaments to make them look visually interesting. Instead, I think maybe for the season finale, you should take the top couple on the scoreboard and print them in Resin for a final showdown and see if any of the designs have improved and if/how much they beat the OEM fan design by.
@teachingthecode4651
@teachingthecode4651 Жыл бұрын
I agree completely
@leflavius_nl5370
@leflavius_nl5370 Жыл бұрын
Welcome back lol. Congrats on the second lil pooper, wishing you all lots of strength and good health!
@infn
@infn Жыл бұрын
This channel has come a long way since the early days and has single-handedly given rise to a hobby that no one ever thought would become one. After all, all those 3d printers in the wild need to be making something. So it might as well be fan blade iterations.
@Blu3B33r
@Blu3B33r Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see a series on trying to strive for the best fan design by investigating different fan features and their effects on performance/noise/etc. Like what effect would it have if you removed the "guiding lines" from the noctua fans?
@bobtheblob2770
@bobtheblob2770 Жыл бұрын
Well noctua has already done that. Pretty sure the lines are for turbulence reduction or something to make it quieter
@ldstew6590
@ldstew6590 Жыл бұрын
I would be interested in seeing some of the older fans that did well retested in resin.
@PhiloSage
@PhiloSage Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on upgrading to Dad V2! Each little one is an adjustment I hope everything goes more smoothly soon.
@doctordonutdude
@doctordonutdude Жыл бұрын
My vote is for whatever's gonna be easier for you. I just want more videos from you so, whatever helps that happen is what I want. Lol. Btw, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR SECOND KID!! That's so awesome!
@802Garage
@802Garage Жыл бұрын
For the FDM fan switch to 0.12mm layer height, use the exclusive tolerance setting, and maybe use some ironing. See if it makes a difference!
@iamdmc
@iamdmc Жыл бұрын
ironing only works well on smooth top layers. On everything else it's a waste of time and is likely to lead to print artefacts
@802Garage
@802Garage Жыл бұрын
@@iamdmc Right, but since there tend to be some flat areas towards the front of the blade it could have some minor advantages. Was my only thought.
@fredhamilton1701
@fredhamilton1701 Жыл бұрын
Agree with the thinner layer height - surely the resin printer had thinner than 0.2mm layers - let's try to keep it apples-to-apples!
@802Garage
@802Garage Жыл бұрын
@@fredhamilton1701 His FDM prints are nice, but there are definitely a lot of settings he could tweak for ultimate quality. Problem is the print time tends to go up a lot as you probably know.
@Effective_wake
@Effective_wake Жыл бұрын
Agreed 0.12mm layers will be a significant improvement.
@LDSG_A_Team
@LDSG_A_Team Жыл бұрын
I think you should only print a fan in resin if it looks like it gets very close in performance to the a12x25, that way you aren't wasting time doing something you don't like for a fan that quite clearly won't compete. Maybe print the top five fans in a season out of resin?
@Killerhurtz
@Killerhurtz Жыл бұрын
Suggestion for next season. Seeing as both methods are within an oversimplified 3% performance difference of each other, I would say you can mix and match as it suites you best. Even adjusting of a 3% difference would rarely impact the results. I don't think you need to swop over entirely to SLA for every single print especially for those that don't need it
@nilsdock
@nilsdock Жыл бұрын
i would like to see a weight comparison between the fans. also resin printed fans should be able to get away with thinner blades, while retaining strength. resin printing would be an interesting niche for the next season. you always want to change your design constraints to inspire creative solutions.
@Allie_Boballie
@Allie_Boballie Жыл бұрын
FDM is fine, even though I'm a resin "fan" myself. I think having a more comfortable work flow benefits everyone more than the small performance buff would. Besides, it's more consistent with the previous seasons and I like seeing the multicolored fans.
@orionbg12
@orionbg12 Жыл бұрын
Oh God YES! We want to see resin printed fans from now on! So much better looking!
@jonbeargenx
@jonbeargenx Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a resin print showdown! Thanks for the video as usual :)
@butterdubs2267
@butterdubs2267 Жыл бұрын
You could FDM print the bulk of the fans and as a season finale reprint in resin the top 5 fans or whatever.
@thorwaldjohanson2526
@thorwaldjohanson2526 Жыл бұрын
I think Resin season would be great. There have been designs in the past that had really thin features. Another thing I would love to see is the test in the number of fanblades (simple 5 vs 7 vs 9 vs 11 vs 13)
@luppchri
@luppchri Жыл бұрын
Great comparison. Would love to see more SLA videos.
@spankmynubs
@spankmynubs Жыл бұрын
I’m all for resin printing next season! Also doing some of the old more complex fans in resin
@urag3hard
@urag3hard Жыл бұрын
Yes! 100% resin is the way! I’d also like to see the old number ones, cheater and the likes printed in resin for comparisons, and tested with each new season as a base line
@TheCodedDrifter
@TheCodedDrifter Жыл бұрын
I think it would be neat to take the top fans from the last few seasons and see the performance increase printed in SLA vs FDM.
@HeraBek
@HeraBek Жыл бұрын
Congrats on the kid! Happy for you :)
@ThePenn7
@ThePenn7 Жыл бұрын
congratulations on the new baby!
@GraysonZimmer
@GraysonZimmer Жыл бұрын
Don't the hubs have a speed tolerance of + or - of about 5-7%? I think it's even listed on their spec sheets. I think you need to test on one hub considering your results are already so close.
@sullygtx9350
@sullygtx9350 Жыл бұрын
For the next fan showdown, you could do the tests like normal, but only pick the winner to print out in resin to go toe to toe with the real noctua. That would save you from the dirtier resin process and not having to buy another printer.
@LKLM138
@LKLM138 Жыл бұрын
congratulations on new baby!
@smooothbraiin9542
@smooothbraiin9542 Жыл бұрын
massive fan of the channel! it would be cool to see some sort of measuring stick or something to be used as a fiducial marker behind the smoke test for the fans
@jaysengstacken2118
@jaysengstacken2118 Жыл бұрын
I think you should print the best fans of each episode for your season "fan"alie in resin to go against each other. Or you can have your fans choose their fan favorites for each season to print in resin to retest them.
@ThatKoukiZ31
@ThatKoukiZ31 Жыл бұрын
Have you considered doing a surface treatment of the FDM print? Like one of those acetone fume treatments or something that smoothens out the surface? That would be pretty interesting and probably fairly easy to test.
@YOEL_44
@YOEL_44 Жыл бұрын
I think he already tried that in the past, I might be wrong tho'...
@FlavienS57
@FlavienS57 Жыл бұрын
@@YOEL_44 I think you're right ;)
@zues287
@zues287 Жыл бұрын
That only works with ABS, which he probably doesn't want to print with for the same reason as resin. It releases noxious fumes when melted, and the fumes are actually worse than resin. I think part of the reason resin performed better than the FDM is the hardness of resin. It's a harder material than the filament he uses, so the fan blades are stiffer. ABS is softer/more flexible than PLA. I don't remember what filament he uses (PLA or PET-G), but ABS is about as flexible as PET-G.
@martinhowden
@martinhowden Жыл бұрын
@@YOEL_44 Yeah he's done that, he's got two videos that tests this "SMOOTHING 3D prints with isopropyl alcohol" and "Does Smoothing 3D Prints Improve Performance and Can You Smooth PLA?"
@Bigpopp1
@Bigpopp1 Жыл бұрын
You can smooth PLA with resin but yeah that defeats the point. Resin is honestly where it’s at when you need to be concerned with smooth airflow.
@kitewinds663
@kitewinds663 Жыл бұрын
Yes, resin is the way forward. Help people set up a good procedure for the resin handling, arrange for a ventilated working space, learn to put on new glove if sticky etc. You don’t need to do a video with this information, just practice it yourself and let it show. Resin is amazing, and to build mechanical parts is a breeze compared to fdm. Calibration, calibration and calibration is what you need to master. And a few additional parameters compared to fdm, as the room temperature, resin temperature, and that the resin is well mixed. And you would also want to take a look at the cheaper variants of upside-down resin printer, as supports are a time thief, and you need much less supports when printing “in the bath”. Great to see your experiments with fans! Love it ❤
@TheMinigrim
@TheMinigrim Жыл бұрын
Resin FTW! Also joining in on the "reprint top 5 and retest" choir 😊
@tg-xi4ww
@tg-xi4ww Жыл бұрын
I would say for future testing for the regular season keep it resin free, but for any championship between seasons do that in resin as something special if you don't like using it regularly. It would give better numbers of the winners but they would be compared to eachother at that point. the regular season don't change your methodology, even between seasons... or at least that is my opinion. Congrats on the new baby by the way.
@2dozen22s
@2dozen22s Жыл бұрын
Resin might allow for some more complex fans to be printed more true to the designer's intent. Especially the really thin ones. So 2% vs FDM could potentially turn to 5% or more. I'd say go for it, provided you can streamline the fabrication pipeline a bit to make it easier on you
@goldrogerffs
@goldrogerffs Жыл бұрын
congrats on the baby!!
@freedomofmotion
@freedomofmotion Жыл бұрын
Yes you should do the thing. Print all the things!
@codysortore1394
@codysortore1394 Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of going to resin printing. I print in resin a lot, and what helps me is A) I use Elegoo's newest models which have a small carbon filter built in. B) Elegoo has a low VoC (low smell) or water washable resin which also is less smelly C) I have and the biggest help to me I have a box fan with "cut to fit carbon filters" I bought on Amazon that I run to move air around my printer.
@Cryect2
@Cryect2 Жыл бұрын
Elegoo water washable resin is actually the smelliest resin I've ever used 😅
@codysortore1394
@codysortore1394 Жыл бұрын
@@Cryect2 admittedly I have yet to try it, their website claimed it was lower odor, will have to try it now. I wonder if it's because it's water soluble therefore can dissolve in our bodies that makes it more irritating.
@VinayVarsani
@VinayVarsani Жыл бұрын
It does seem like a logical step but I always liked the accessibility of fdm so maybe the next season can just be a comparison of fdm vs resin and collect a bunch of data to see if there are any fan designs that do better in fdm or resin
@loreii1982
@loreii1982 Жыл бұрын
Congratulation man!!
@HackxBox
@HackxBox Жыл бұрын
I was thinking of resin printing since season 1. You can definitely benefit from the resolution and finish it provides, especially for complex designs like the multi-rotor/jet-engine/helical geared ones, but the hassle with SLA is real. I'd say the ultimate goal would be SLS but that's still crazy expensive unfortunately.
@connorolding9870
@connorolding9870 Жыл бұрын
I think your FDM copy should be included on the showdown spreadsheet as a second baseline since it's subject to most of the same tolerances as the other 3D printed fans.
@RamsesTheFourth
@RamsesTheFourth Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@C4reful
@C4reful Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a weight comparison between the three, i am curious if the differences in performance are mostly due to weight, or if surface finish and material stiffness play a significant role. maybe try some lightweight pla for comparison and if you got the nozzle some fiber reinforced filament as well. with the same model there should be a lot of interesting data to be had from this! armchair science ftw ;)
@mandowarrior123
@mandowarrior123 Жыл бұрын
The resin will be heaviest, i have both types and there is no contest. I think the performance drop from the oem was pretty much purely weight. There will be greater surface friction theoretically with resin vs plastic, but the oem ones aren't very polished anyway. I'd like to see wax used though to reduce drag in absence of the polish aircraft use. In ww2 they used wax and they found no amount of wax was too much, performance kept increasing the better waxed they were. Which is why you should wax your car, saves money in the long run. Fdm has such poor quality surface its a joke comparing to factory parts.
@marckerger
@marckerger Жыл бұрын
definitely YES for all resin printing!
@afireinaleo1771
@afireinaleo1771 5 ай бұрын
Also congrats on the baby!
@neileddy6159
@neileddy6159 Жыл бұрын
As someone who does resin printing, I would love to see more resin printing. I agree it is messy and smelly and getting your setting spec accurate can be pretty difficult, however I think if you can dial it in it would be worth it. I also think finding the best resin to use and sticking with it is a much larger thing than in filament. I look forward to it if you decide to go that route. Thanks again for your dedication, love the channel and your work.
@Donnerwamp
@Donnerwamp Жыл бұрын
I have two ideas for incorporating SLA printing into the showdown: At the end of a season, the best 5 fans will be printed in resin and then compared again. Or a kind of christmas special where either the best fans of all seasons so far are printed in resin and compared, or we vote on the most liked fan of every season and then they get compared in their resin form.
@jonathanrogers9961
@jonathanrogers9961 Жыл бұрын
Congrats!
@sevbait
@sevbait Жыл бұрын
Congrats on your new baby 👏
@Groovewonder2
@Groovewonder2 Жыл бұрын
I think it would be wild to see you do a 200mm fan showdown. even if it's not a full season, I wanna see what people do with the massively increased volume. more complex geometries, lower base noise level so it's easier to spot sound differences, etc. or a 40/80mm one because it just sounds goofy as hell and I wanna see the Clown Car edition of Fan Showdown
@BillyAltDel
@BillyAltDel Жыл бұрын
hi MH, I have experience with SLA and FDM printers. There are plant-based resins that are WAY less stinky and supposedly less toxic (I still wear PPE when handling it, personally) than standard resin. If the smells bothers you I think using the plant-based stuff will make it a lot more tolerable.
@LuisGiusti
@LuisGiusti Жыл бұрын
Congrats man! probably you can continue the same and just resin print and retest the season bests in a final chapter.
@youtubuzr
@youtubuzr Жыл бұрын
Congrats!!!
@bluegizmo1983
@bluegizmo1983 Жыл бұрын
I'd say No, you don't need to move to a resin printer for all of next season, FDM is perfectly adequate and acceptable. It may be interesting to do one video at the end of the season to print the top 5 fans in Resin just for fun though.
@SobeMe86
@SobeMe86 Жыл бұрын
Yes to the resin printing. I’d like to see a revisit of the old season top finishers and see them in resin.
@sandorphoenix
@sandorphoenix Жыл бұрын
gz on the baby!
@spankmynubs
@spankmynubs Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the kid man!!
@elainehammond7456
@elainehammond7456 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see the fans resin printed in the future, yeah!
@williaminkarnate3173
@williaminkarnate3173 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on your second rugrat! As for resin, I know what a ballache it is but it's way more worth it, if you can source a bigger build unit, I'm all for next season being in resin, and as Lesley Munro mentioned, I would also like to see the top five retested in resin...
@BrendenPragasam
@BrendenPragasam Жыл бұрын
I would dig seeing a budget noctua fan with resin prints!
@Afmu
@Afmu Жыл бұрын
Congratulations!
@lester44444
@lester44444 Жыл бұрын
definitely been my top few questions watching this channel haha thanks for this
@lip-filler-looks-rank
@lip-filler-looks-rank 11 ай бұрын
congratulations!!
@g4designs944
@g4designs944 Жыл бұрын
I'd definitely like to see some reprints, especially for fans that were negatively affected by the traditional 3D print process. I remember there have been some which seemed VERY precise which were either modified to have printable thicknesses or just printed poorly.
@grizzleebair
@grizzleebair Жыл бұрын
Congrats! Totally understand, family first, you will adjust as you said. Enjoy the years while they are little, it goes by fast.
@salohcin0083
@salohcin0083 Жыл бұрын
Fun shootout. Congrats on the lil one. Maybe do resin prints at the end of the season for a shootout of the seasons best performers
@ArchFline
@ArchFline Жыл бұрын
Do a series where you redo the top 10 fans of all time (tested on the channel) but do them in resin and see if they close the gap with Noctua!
@ShaynaLynn
@ShaynaLynn Жыл бұрын
I like the resin idea.
@jacobbabcock8943
@jacobbabcock8943 Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of testing the top few fans with SLs to see how they stack up against the a12x25
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