Make Nitric Acid without Sulfuric Acid by Oxalate Precipitation

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Make Nitric Acid without Sulfuric Acid by Oxalate Precipitation

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NurdRage

Күн бұрын

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@chriscarley9951 Ай бұрын

Thank you for another possible cost reducing nitric opinion.

@TheBlackKnightmare Ай бұрын

all these years all these nurds. so glad you are still around

@Fluxinate Ай бұрын

Hell yeah nurd rage

@timecode37 Ай бұрын

*heck

@Guds777 Ай бұрын

yeah science Mr White...

@Samonie67 Ай бұрын

im glad there's finally a video on this method, thanks for taking my suggestion and making a really good video on it

@andersjjensen Ай бұрын

Thanks for suggesting it!

@y33t23 Ай бұрын

Interesting method. Since I can get 25kg of Sodium Bisulfate for 42,99€ with free shipping, I'll stick to that method if I need nitric acid. As a bonus on top of better cost effectiveness, you get fuming nitric acid directly, which is always easier to dilute to regular nitric acid than the other way around.

@front2760 Ай бұрын

Hi Nurd.Funny that you posted today as just made Nitric with calcium nitrate and sodium Bisulfate (Pool supply).Looks like it worked.Just waiting for it to cool off and then will test.Thanks for your help again.

@kentherapy7022 Ай бұрын

Nurd Rage and Nile Red....two professionals for all amateurs researchers.....

@imikla Ай бұрын

Great video! I always love learning new pathways to get useful reagents, and this presentation is another outstanding example! I look forward to trying this for the experience! Thank you!

@keithcarpenter5254 Ай бұрын

Apparently, 'They' don't like the people having anything nitrated to an interesting level!😮😊

@jeremiahmiller6431 Ай бұрын

Highly nitrated things tend to go "bang", and 'they' don't like people having things that go bang unless they know exactly who has it and why they need it.

@grahamspellman2442 Ай бұрын

These videos feel different now that I’m an adult

@t33th4n Ай бұрын

Absolutely love these short but well described videos on the process. Thank you master!

@Impatient_Ape Ай бұрын

Yay! Nice to see my suggestion from 2 weeks ago actually implemented. And it works better than I suspected! Thanks for doing the legwork for us.

@FezCaliph Ай бұрын

I love to see you make a jar of pickles 😅

@aga5897 Ай бұрын

Superbissimo ! Never saw that process, anywhere in history. It'd have won the DAC hands down ;)

@jerematic Ай бұрын

Man watching the precipitate just appear like that was mesmerising

@luamanlabs 12 күн бұрын

This works great for me as I’ve got 20kg of calcium nitrate, and probably close to that amount of oxalic acid

@twocvbloke Ай бұрын

Best hold off on any glycerol videos after this for a bit perhaps... :P

@bobwerner6512 Ай бұрын

Glad you are making these again

@chemdelic Ай бұрын

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@chemnobeliumlab1520 Ай бұрын

Sir this was really awesome procedure and honestly I didn't expect that will end like this. Extremally helpful tnx :)

@noone-ez6on 22 күн бұрын

Just as i bought some oxalate for other stuff. Def gonna try this!

@strategicbacon7349 Ай бұрын

Beautiful and interesting video as always. Keep up the amazing work!

@jacobbudovsky 15 күн бұрын

Great video. Nitric is a pain to get.

@femstora Ай бұрын

Just what I needed

@Mr_nuke99 Ай бұрын

good to have you back !!

@Kargoneth Ай бұрын

The insolubility of that calcium oxalate is amazing.

@Kargoneth Ай бұрын

Cleaning your equipment must be tedious.

@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 Ай бұрын

@@Kargonethcalcium salts are hellish to filter.

@michaelhicks8603 Ай бұрын

You are a HERO man. All of your videos are fantastic

@knutritter461 14 күн бұрын

TYy.... yet I would simply buy it! Greetings from an M. Sc. of chemistry....😉

@MadScientist267 Ай бұрын

Excellent. May need to try this.

@till2911 Ай бұрын

use nitric acid to make oxalic acid to make nitric acid. (that might even be a good option cause while making oxalic acid NitrogenDioxide forms and you can win your nitric acid back).

@NurdRage Ай бұрын

not a bad idea, but i worry about losses. The process for making oxalic acid and nitric acid isn't perfectly high yielding. So you may end up with less than what you started with. But worth experimenting with if you have a good gas capture setup.

@user-in8bz3kd7d 17 күн бұрын

Brother, it is said that oxytocin can make people loyal to love. Have you ever extracted oxytocin? It can also make people more loving.@@NurdRage

@cooljets Ай бұрын

My kidney stones have been consisting of Calcium Oxalate, so it's pretty innocuous in the envronment.

@user-wi2hh9fk5s 14 күн бұрын

That was brilliant

@tntomega Ай бұрын

is it possible to make nitric acid from diesel exhaust I seen a bus smoke is red (i am a mechanic ) can i bobble it to water and i get nitric acid?

@NurdRage Ай бұрын

Yes, it's really dilute and crude though. But since you're working with a lot diesel, it might be a viable way.

@Albert3939-s7q Ай бұрын

Yea probably . But its important that the vehicle doesent have a catalytic converter otherwise the nitrogen dioxide will decompose into nitrogen and oxygen wich is useless

@drmarine1771 Ай бұрын

Love this channel, especially acid videos

@ZoonCrypticon Ай бұрын

An excellent approach! Thank you !

@xfxox Ай бұрын

Can this reagents be melted together without water?

@kaboom4679 Ай бұрын

How about a Pauling furnace ? Sure it is inefficient , and while it would still require workup of the product , just like any nitrate salt route , it can run continuously instead of just doing batches with relatively spendy ingredients , filtering , etc .. The beauty of this and electrchem in general , is you do not need grid power . An off grid solar setup can easily be used for a dedicated lab not directly subjected to the whims and fortunes of the local power company .

@Preyhawk81 Ай бұрын

My idea too.

@SodiumInteresting Ай бұрын

Nice. I still like the sodium bisulfate and calcium nitrate dry method

@whatevernamegoeshere3644 Ай бұрын

You are absolutely the best

@perrygershin3946 Ай бұрын

It's always nice to have options. 😀

@ArcadiaPalladius 27 күн бұрын

Dude, this is amazing!

@napalmholocaust9093 22 күн бұрын

Bondex wood bleach is oxalic crystals if you need it. Might not be sold anymore, I haven't made blond walnut in ages.

@beatrute2677 Ай бұрын

This guy is the goat.

@jbeckley6849 Ай бұрын

Could you distill without filtering out the calcium oxilate first?

@tr16384 Ай бұрын

Is there any easy way to recover Oxalic acid back from CaC2O4 ?

@R-C-R Ай бұрын

Finally you made it thanx man

@mx5kevin 18 күн бұрын

This method i think will work to prepare (not pure) chloric acid from NaClO3 too if some CaCl are added to remove the Na2C2O4. Chloric acid decomposes on heating. However, they do not described to what extent in dilute form and whether production can be based on this. If it can be decompose down into perchloric acid by a simple method, it would be very valuable for everyone to make perchlorates without platinum, PbO2 and high temperature heating in a inert material. HClO4 from HClO3 a easy way without platinum and complicated methods would be much more valuable in amateur circles than nitric and sulfuric acid. If it were possible to show success in this regard, it would be a sensation in amateur circles.

@user-pr6ed3ri2k Ай бұрын

Weird how this doesn't work with carbonate but it works with oxalate Absolutely awesome though

@user-pr6ed3ri2k Ай бұрын

It's much easier to get oxalic acid as some laundry stuff where I live and it seems to be cheaper than sulfuric acid so I will definitely be trying this eventually

@methanial73 Ай бұрын

Thanks. Have you heard anything about Elemental Maker? I haven't seen him post anything in ages. I enjoy your content!

@user-qe8vq5yy1z Ай бұрын

You should try copper nitrate waste version too,😃😃 probably easier than electrolysis method

@NurdRage Ай бұрын

probably, but considering copper oxalate is extremely difficult to filter, it might be an issue. I'll see what i can do.

@user-in8bz3kd7d 18 күн бұрын

@@NurdRageBrother, it is said that oxytocin can make people loyal to love. Have you ever extracted oxytocin? It can also make people more loving.

@highlander723 Ай бұрын

After everything that happened within the past 24 hours I am so glad to see a nerd rage video your timing is impeccable😢

@napalmholocaust9093 22 күн бұрын

If zinc acetate dried on a cloth prevents silver tarnish in long term storage what is the equivalent to protect polished copper? Those little anti-tarnish papers sold for jewelry protect both metals (and alloys). I'd like to make them if I could, for pennies. Thanks in advance if anyone knows.

@MrTheboffin 8 күн бұрын

I'm very late on this video, wouldn't it be possible to do something similar with an acidic ion exchage resine ? Those can be regenerated to.

@GoingBrogue Ай бұрын

Have you considered sourcing oxalic acid by extracting it from plants that contain it? Plants such as Oxalis and several others are a natural source. Would make for a fun video to watch.

@pacman10182 Ай бұрын

Bisulfate is much cheaper for me, but i hope this works for someone

@NurdRage Ай бұрын

yeah, same here. But it really surprised me just how well it worked. Definitely someone out there will benefit from this method.

@djdrack4681 Ай бұрын

I'd be interested about the biochem synthesis: the -ase for Krebs cycle bioproduct; but more so for the synthesis from metabolizing ethylene glycol (which is super cheap raw material). The fact that vapor decomposition results in CO2 + Formic Acid makes me wonder if there is reverse process to this: prob bubbling the CO2 into formic acid in presence of a metal catalyst? Just some thoughts. Keep up the great work

@utubefrog09 Ай бұрын

I wonder if ammonium sulfate would work

@R-C-R Ай бұрын

It is way more cost effective then sulfuric - salt method

@alish5417 16 күн бұрын

What oxalates has to do with sulpheric acid , btw makjng formic acid from glycerine on oxalate releases a smell ,let me say uts the nastiest smell ever ,always turn a vent on not a fan but vent

@Chrispy-sx4un Ай бұрын

Thanks for the awesome videos

@pedrovargas2181 Ай бұрын

Hello. Home friendly method, interesting. Thanks. Can the salt and the oxalic be added as powder, mixed thoroughly, then heated to obtain pure nitrix acid? Nile Red has a video doing that with sulfuric acid and some nitrate.

@user21XXL 12 күн бұрын

Will this work with H3PO4 and Ca|NO3|2? are the Ca salts of H3po4 easy enough to handle?

@realedna Ай бұрын

I wonder how acidic and oxidizing a hot concentrated mixture/solution of calcium nitrate and oxalic acid can be. Maybe one can use it as crude concentrated nitric acid for etching and other applications!? Yet, oxalic acid is hardly cost effective in comparison with bisulfate, as you probably won't recover the oxalic acid from the oxalate waste. Only then it would have an advantage imho, but you would probably need/use sulfuric acid then anyways.

@asahearts1 Ай бұрын

Great timing. 😅

@kemster9495 Ай бұрын

Still waiting for the oswalt process With transition metal catalysis 😅😊

@caramida9 Ай бұрын

Nice. Now I need a video to synthesis oxalic acid. Sadly in the UK, oxalic acid is a regulated poison and you need an EPP licence to get it over 10% concentration.

@Preyhawk81 Ай бұрын

you can it extract from clover.

@RedDeckRedemption 11 күн бұрын

Barkeeper's friend brand cleaner has oxalic also

@dizfoster Ай бұрын

How useful. !!

@danielogrady4237 Ай бұрын

Please do nitric acid preparation by Ostwald oxidation

@DonnyHooterHoot Ай бұрын

Nurd! Cool viddy.

@Johnpao215 Ай бұрын

Someone read my suggestion hahaha. Thanks!

@seanstrain1 Ай бұрын

Nice

@Qyonek Ай бұрын

Thanks

@NurdRage Ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

@edibandulan5266 Ай бұрын

Hey NurdRage i buy nitric acid yesterday and the clerk say that my nitric acid is not higher than 68% because 98% concentration nitric acid is illegal, but when i open it have a white fuming which is sign of really concentrated but when i weight it just had 121gram per 100ml of it. That mean my nitric acid just have concentration around ~40% but why it fuming though, do you have a explanation? Thank you.

@DanielJoyce Ай бұрын

So could you use this dissolve gold by driving the formation of aqua Regia in situ by adding the salts, gold and oxalic acid?

@DanielJoyce Ай бұрын

I mean, sodium nitrate, sodium chloride, oxalic acid and gold. Maybe you'd need a little acidity to get it started? Or maybe add a small amount of say iron chloride and nitrate to form some initial acid.

@rayxfinkle8328 19 күн бұрын

Banana Ballistics?

@roflchopter11 Ай бұрын

I trust that you know what you're doing, but I don't understand why you distill to dry and collect all of the distillate in one vessel. Are all waste products at that stage dissolved solids?

@brianreddeman951 Ай бұрын

Anyone at first glance think "Wait, he's gonna make nitric acid out of milk?"

@kaboom4679 Ай бұрын

Looks good at first glance , by my enthusiasm quickly soured .

@shickakaper8028 Ай бұрын

So you would slowly drip the nitrate solution through an oxalate filter (reducing the water by like 1/2). Soo.. sourgrass. Sourgrass, you can use a bundle of sourgrass as a filter 😁

@ho0t0w1 Ай бұрын

Well that's it, now I need some CAN.

@Tyresio12 Ай бұрын

I've seen a video on YT showing the synthesis of hydrochloric acid from NaCl and boric acid, would that be possible with the nitrate counterparts?

@Saumiiiii Ай бұрын

Hell yeah nurd rage [2]

@freigeist5161 Ай бұрын

Can you concentrate nictric acid 3% by boiling?In the EU you only get 3% nitric acid,but it is useless for recovery gold.

@kaboom4679 Ай бұрын

Yes you can , but it is very time intensive and would take a lot of 3% to get a meaningful amount of azeotropic nitric acid . Using either the oxalic acid or bisulfite routes is a whole lot more efficient . Of course , you may be prohibited from merely possessing nitric above a 3% concentration , let alone making it , but that is a different matter altogether .

@yussele Ай бұрын

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@hinz1 Ай бұрын

Shouldn't the distillation favor the more volatile nitric acid? I.e. oxalic/nitric acid equilibrium, oxalic can't evaporate, while nitric boils over, i.e. some dilute nitric acid on the other side.

@NurdRage Ай бұрын

It does, but at high temperatures the oxalic acid reacts with the nitric acid, which is why it needs to be filtered off.

@Ma_X64 Ай бұрын

So, now all that remains is to find a field of sorrel thickets somewhere!)

@jimurrata6785 Ай бұрын

Oxalic acid is sold as wood bleach in almost any hardware store. It removes dust stains because iron tannate is black but iron oxalate is clear.

@Ma_X64 Ай бұрын

@@jimurrata6785 There was some tiny symbol -- ")". That symbol means that something non-serious is in the text. ;)

@jimurrata6785 Ай бұрын

@@Ma_X64 I'm used to something like ;-) But emoticons haven't really been a thing for me since the '80's Sorry if I missed that on my phone. My eyes aren't what they used to be...

@Ma_X64 Ай бұрын

@@jimurrata6785 Okay

@OneOfDisease Ай бұрын

How much cheaper is this vs buying of the shelf acids?

@NurdRage Ай бұрын

It's not cheaper. But you may live in a country where those acids are unavailable or require special permits or licensing to obtain, alternatively you might just like the science and what to try making it. But in general i don't find making acids cheaper than buying them directly.

@brentdennard6722 Ай бұрын

Are you sure you’re not the same guy that does banana ballistics?

@LemonCamel Ай бұрын

What would you say the concentration of that initial clear nitric acid was?

@NurdRage Ай бұрын

About 9%

@aaronsmith8073 Ай бұрын

0:27 forbidden coffee

@LalaLa-ld1gs 16 күн бұрын

AmateurChemistry brought me here

@neon_Nomad Ай бұрын

Now i can un-petrify humanity

@kaboom4679 Ай бұрын

The opposite is probably more likely . But it looks like you won't run out of work anytime soon . Like taking 1 flyswatter to Africa ...

@Recycling-ey1yc Ай бұрын

And if you need oxalic acid you can get it by boiling shugar with nitric acid, don't thank me😁

@napalmholocaust9093 22 күн бұрын

Bondex wood bleach is oxalic.

@paramatematico198 Ай бұрын

Does It work with every nitrates ?

@NurdRage Ай бұрын

no. it does not work with sodium or potassium nitrate. It's best done with calcium nitrate. In theory it should work with iron nitrate or manganese nitrate. But stick with calcium nitrate since that's easiest to get.

@Polkem1 Ай бұрын

@@NurdRagewhy won’t it work with those two?

@NurdRage Ай бұрын

they don't precipitate

@Polkem1 Ай бұрын

@@NurdRage thank you, came to that conclusion as well. Thanks for the upload 😊

@chadmuslim55 Ай бұрын

@@NurdRage could this work with aluminiumnitrate?